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I just had my gas and electricity supplier phone me telling me that I will be getting a smart meter installed. I never asked for one to be installed yet they are telling me it’s mandatory. This smells of bullshit. They have arranged a time for to come and install it. This is stressing me out. I don’t need this shit.

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3 minutes ago, Itsa said:

As far as I am aware it is not mandatory.

If you do not own the property it's possible your landlord agreed?


I rent my property from the local council. So maybe they agreed for smart meter to be installed.

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3 minutes ago, Artmuzz said:


I rent my property from the local council. So maybe they agreed for smart meter to be installed.

Difficult at the moment but best to get in touch with them. In the meantime refuse them entry 👍

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You don’t have to accept a smart meter if you don’t want one. If your supplier tells you that you must have one installed, contact the Citizens Advice consumer helpline.

If you refuse a smart meter, you might find it hard to access all tariffs. This is because in future the cheaper tariffs offered by suppliers might only be available to customers with smart meters.

 

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/energy/energy-supply/your-energy-meter/getting-a-smart-meter-installed/

 

They are full of shit. Just ignore them mate.

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Do you get to pick your supplier or do you have to use who the housing association say?

Trouble is its a rented property the owner of the property, in this case the local housing accusation not the tenant gets the decision. however if you can pick your own supplier i cant see how they can then demand you have a smart meter

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6 minutes ago, Itsjaybigjay said:

Do you get to pick your supplier or do you have to use who the housing association say?

Trouble is its a rented property the owner of the property, in this case the local housing accusation not the tenant gets the decision. however if you can pick your own supplier i cant see how they can then demand you have a smart meter

You make a good point there. I bet the local councils will be right on board with getting their properties smart metered up :classic_sad: Lets hope artmuzz gets to choose his own supplier.

Personally I just ignore all correspondence with my energy company no matter how many phone calls emails or appointments they try to make, zero contact. I pay them their money every 3 months from my own readings. If they want to push it they will just lose a customer and i'll go elsewhere.

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1 hour ago, Itsjaybigjay said:

if you can pick your own supplier i cant see how they can then demand you have a smart meter

 

@Artmuzz 

I'm in rented social housing. 

I choose my own energy suppliers. 

I've told the energy suppliers that I will not accept any smart meters.. 

It took many phone calls and emails before they relented. 

But I finally got them to fuck off and leave me alone.. 

BC 

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That's the attitude BC Stick to your guns and don't take any bullshit. I'm with eon at home and have told them straight I'm not interested in having smart meters installed and if they send me any more "information" on smart meters i will take that as harassment and contact my solicitor and move both my electric and gas over to British gas who already provide the services at my rentals, I'm a small time landlord myself and have prepayment meters in my rentals, my tenants prefer it as they are on low income and it helps them budget and non want a smart meter.

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7 hours ago, Artmuzz said:

I don’t need this shit.

 

DON’T SMART METER ME! (SEND NOTICE)

Please note: Having helped to serve in excess of 250,00 notices on behalf of Stop Smart Meter warriors across the UK, we have now disabled our notice-serving engine.  The battle still very much continues, though.  To serve lawful Notice of Non-Consent for Smart Meter Installation and Notice of Liability to your energy/utility supplier (which you have the right to do!), just copy & paste the text below into a blank letter with your correspondence and account details on it, then print & send via recorded delivery to your supplier’s head office.

Click here for a PDF version which you can print, complete and send.

NOTICE OF NON-CONSENT FOR ‘SMART’ METER INSTALLATION, NOTICE OF LIABILITY

For the attention of the Chief Executive and other Board Directors.

Be advised, that you and all other parties are hereby denied consent for installation and use of any and all ‘Smart’ Meters or any other surveillance and activity monitoring device, or devices, at my property and/or place of residence as noted herein.

Installation and use of any surveillance and activity monitoring device that sends and receives communications technology is hereby refused and prohibited. Consent is legally required for installation of any surveillance device and any device that will collect and transmit private and personal data to undisclosed and unauthorised parties for undisclosed and unauthorised purposes. Authorisation for sharing of personal and private information may only be given by the originator and subject of that information. That authorisation is hereby denied and refused with regard to the advised property and all its occupants.

‘Smart’ Meters violate many of my human rights, such as those laid out by the European Convention on Human Rights under Article 1 of the First Protocol, Article 2 (right to life), Article 3 (prohibition of torture/degrading treatment), Article 5 (right to liberty and security), Article 8 (right to respect for private and family life) and Article 12 – (right to marry and to found a family).

‘Smart’ Meters cause endangerment to residents through many factors and my reasons for denying consent for installation include:

1. Wireless ‘Smart’ Meters, when activated, emit intense, pulsed bursts of non-ionising, RF microwave radiation. More than 5,000 studies have shown that non-ionising microwave radiation/RF EMF is harmful to humans, animals and plants.
2. On 31st May 2011, the World Health Organisation’s International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) categorised RF EMFs as a possible CARCINOGEN (Class 2b) – the same as lead, DDT, chloroform & methylmercury.
3. On 6th May 2011, the Council of Europe issued a report titled “Potential dangers of EMFs and their effect on the environment” in which they called for an IMMEDIATE reduction in exposure to EMFs by children. The Council advocates a precautionary principle be applied to wireless emissions to prevent public health disaster akin to “tobacco, leaded petrol and asbestos”. ‘Smart’ Meters will increase – not decrease – the EMF exposure to members of a household and their neighbours.
4. As demonstrated by Daniel Hirsch, Senior Nuclear Policy Lecturer at UCSC, ‘Smart’ Meters can expose the body to 160x to 800x times as much microwave radiation as mobile phones. ‘Smart’ Meters can emit intense pulses of radiation in excess of 190,000 times every day.
5. Human, animal and cell culture studies indicate long-term systemic health effects from RF microwave radiation, including hormone disruption, DNA damage, leakage of blood-brain- barrier, sperm count reduction & damage, sleep disorders, learning difficulties, attention deficit & hyperactivity disorders, dementia and cancer including leukemia and brain glioma (tumours). There is concern that pregnant women & children are particularly vulnerable.
6. The ICNIRP safety standards which the UK Government and HPA continue to use fail to recognise the non-thermal, biological effects of microwave radiation.  These standards were voted obsolete by the European Parliament, 522 to 16 votes – yet still remain in use in the UK.
7. As highlighted by Dr. David Carpenter (Director of the Institute of Health and Environment – University of Albany – and former head of the New York Department of Public Health), there is evidence that exposure to RF radiation increases the risk of cancer, increases damage to the nervous system, causes electro-sensitivity, has adverse reproductive effects and a variety of other effects on different organ systems. He has stated on record that there is “no justification for the statement that ‘Smart’ Meters have no adverse health effects”.
8. European surveys have shown at least 1 in 20 people are moderately or severely sensitive to RF EMF radiation, experiencing a broad range of debilitating symptoms. The number of sufferers is rising rapidly. This is problematic and in some cases life-changing for sufferers, and will place further pressure on the National Health Service as well as impacting business productivity.
9. In January 2011, the American Association of Environmental Medicine (AAEM) has called for the complete removal of ‘Smart’ Meters and a return to safe analogue due to scientific and medical studies repeatedly showing health risks from exposure to microwaves emitted from wireless devices.
10. In March 2012, Dr Andrew Goldsworthy’s research warned that Water ‘Smart’ Meters, via their strong RF microwave emissions, can severely reduce water quality, leading to increased toxicity of poisons present in the body.  This is particularly concerning for areas like London where there are still lead pipes in use – electromagnetically-conditioned water flow can strip lead from pipes, leading to an increase in toxin intake into the body and the food-chain.
11. ‘Smart’ Meters monitor household activity and occupancy in violation of my rights to privacy and domestic security.
12. ‘Smart” Meters identify individual electrical devices inside the home and record when they are operated causing invasion of privacy.
13. They transmit wireless signals which may be intercepted by unauthorized and unknown parties. Those signals can be used to monitor behavior and occupancy and they can be used by criminals to aid criminal activity against the occupants.
14. Data about occupant’s daily habits and activities are collected, recorded and stored in permanent databases which are accessed by parties not authorized or invited to know and share that private data by those whose activities were recorded.
15. Those with access to the ‘Smart’ Meter databases can review a permanent history of household activities complete with calendar and time-of-day metrics to gain a highly invasive and detailed view of the lives of the occupants.
16. Those databases may be shared with, or fall into the hands of criminals, blackmailers, corrupt law enforcement, private hackers of wireless transmissions, power company employees, and other unidentified parties who may act against the interests of the occupants under metered surveillance.
17. It may be possible with analysis of certain ‘Smart’ Meter data for unauthorized and distant parties to determine medical conditions, sexual activities, and physical locations of persons within the home, vacancy patterns and personal information and habits of the occupants.
18. Energy/utility companies and Government agencies do not have the lawful right to monitor, manage and control my utility usage. Profiling and monitoring of my energy and utility usage is a gross invasion of privacy and will be susceptible to misuse in the wrong hands.
19. A one year study in Toronto, Canada, showed the energy/utility bills have gone up in 80% of cases, many by more than 50%.
20. The UK Government has said ‘Smart’ Meters will cost more than £11billion for estimated savings of just £25 per home/year – and that saving will only possible if customers have at least two ‘Smart’ Meters and succeed in changing their own behaviour to create the savings. Not only will there be a need for this £11billion to be clawed back, in part, through my energy/utility bills, but many new ‘Smart’ Meters only have a 10 year lifespan before requiring replacement – which is a shorter lifespan than current analogue meters.  They will potentially require more regular servicing too.
21. Wireless transmissions of my personal energy usage, with information about the devices I use, when I use them and what I am doing with them at any given moment, will be available to your organisation and any potential hackers.
22. Smart meters can be hacked, have been hacked and will continue to be hacked. By deploying millions of ‘Smart’ Meters with the same software, firmware and hardware, they become a highly-concentrated, strategic target for any malicious hackers and will endanger the community if an attacker, for example, can switch the power on and off from remote en masse. This makes ‘Smart’ Meters dangerous and a liability to the bill-payers who would have to ultimately pay for any damage through higher bills. The FBI has warned that ‘Smart’ Meters hacking real and is “likely to spread”.
23. Ethical hackers in Germany have shown how easy it is to unlawfully access data from ‘Smart’ Meters and to remotely control them. This is a risk to me, my family and our entire energy grid. Former CIA Director James Woolsey has called ‘Smart’ Grid a “really, really stupid idea”.
24. In a wireless ‘Smart’ Grid, my entire home will become a node on the Internet. This means my home and device usage will suddenly become available to hackers, who can use the data to analyse when certain people are at home, e.g. young children.
25. In the US, this data has been sold by energy companies to 3rd parties, e.g. police, corporate marketing departments and insurance companies. ‘Smart’ Meters represent pieces of invasive surveillance equipment within my home. I may have nothing to hide but I believe that I have the right to defend my privacy and my right to decide how I use my utilities which you provide to me as a service.
26. Smart’ Meters will make it far easier to disconnect customers remotely – a particular concern in light of the hacking threats, especially to ‘Smart’ Water Meters.
27. In North America, ‘Smart’ Meters have been shown to explode, cause fires, and can interfere with sensitive electrical devices such as heart pacemakers.
28. Smart meters are not protected from EMP attacks, large EMP or localized EMP (Electro Magnetic Pulses).
29. Disabling the receiver will not prevent other forms of “hacks”. For example, a malicious attacker could confuse the internal CPU, reset it, change random memory locations, change the KWH reading, force a power disconnect, or completely disable a ‘Smart’ Meter with a simple coil of wire and a small battery. This can’t happen with a mechanical meter. It is well known that a wide EMP can take out car computers; ‘Smart’ Meters will make that possible on the city wide electric infrastructure.
30. A thief or burglar could use the same EMP or hacking methods to turn off the house power even if the electrical switch box is locked.
31. Scientists have widely refuted claims that ‘Smart’ Meters are ‘green’. There is a significant (and growing) body of work showing ‘Smart’ Meters actually harm nature and our environment.
32. ‘Smart’ Meters, in tandem with In-Home-Display units, are likely to consume far more energy than the old analogue meters do.
33. The Council of Europe’s May 2011 report on RF microwave radiation indicated that hundreds of studies have identified significant impacts of sustained RF microwave radiation on our natural environment, including: stress reactions and genetic problems in plants, trees, animals and insects, problems in migratory animals like birds and bees, birth defects in calves and fertility problems in herds.
34. Tree deaths, plant die-offs and bee colony collapse disorder cases have also been reported shortly after Smart Meter installation/activation in the United States.

I am exercising my lawful right to forbid, refuse and deny consent for the installation and use of any monitoring, eavesdropping, and surveillance devices on my property, my place of residence and my place of occupancy. That applies to and includes ‘Smart’ Meters and surveillance and activity monitoring devices of any and all kinds. Any attempt to install any such device directed at me, other occupants, my property or residence will constitute trespass, stalking, wiretapping and unlawful surveillance and endangerment of health and safety, all prohibited and punishable by law through criminal and civil complaints.

All persons, government agencies and private organizations responsible for installing or operating monitoring devices directed at or recording my activities, which I have not specifically authorized in writing, will be fully liable for any violations, intrusions, harm or negative consequences caused or made possible by those devices.

This is legal notice. After this delivery the liabilities listed above may not be denied or avoided by parties named and implied in this notice. Civil Servant immunities and protections do not apply to the installation of ‘Smart’ Meters due to the criminal violations they represent.

I reserve the right to amend this notice and complaint at any time, this is not a complete list of concerns since this technology is new and new information is being found every day. Concerns listed here are not in any particular order.

Notice to principal is notice to agent and notice to agent is notice to principal. All rights reserved.

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Thanks for the replies. I phoned up my gas and electricity supplier to complain and they gave me £10 credit on my meter as a goodwill gesture and they cancelled the installation of those dreaded smart meters. For the mental torment it caused me (as I have an anxiety and panic disorder) I expected more than £10 credit but it’s better than nothing.

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We're with NPower (I think they changed to something else now) and they have been sending me emails with appointments to fit a smart meter for about 18 month's.

 

I just ignore them and no one has ever turned up?

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22 hours ago, Artmuzz said:

I just had my gas and electricity supplier phone me telling me that I will be getting a smart meter installed. I never asked for one to be installed yet they are telling me it’s mandatory. This smells of bullshit. They have arranged a time for to come and install it. This is stressing me out. I don’t need this shit.

The law is simple.  You are the Tennant and have a say in ALL amendments to the deed or agreement.  They can NOT kick you out.

 

Leave the phone number here to the company if it's in the UK  (no info of yourself please) and I will ask a general question for you and us here about mandatory installation.  I'll record it too.

 

Let me put it another way.  If you wanted them to remove the present meter because you don't require leccy anymore, they would have to.  They would cap it off and Bob's your uncle.  If you wanted them to just cut you off, the even the presence of the meter will put a bill on the table because they own it, not you or your landlord.

 

I moved into a rental once, a short time ago, I instantly changed it to a normal leccy meter but the gas meter was a no go they said.  So I just bought one off of eBay, installed it (by a registered corgi blah blah. ;-) and told them to come and read it as I said I don't know if it's safe.  They sent a guy round and he tested it, he also enquired about the new meter, and I just said it's as it was when I moved in, he shrugged and put the new numbers on a little computer and from then on I took readings from that, and I wasn't charged.  £45 purchase for peace of mind.

 

 

Edit.  Just read your last post.  Bugger 🤨 LOL!

 

But the info still stands 😀

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Smart meters are the Trojan horse into private homes… The same is done about everything by first proposing an 'option', then switching to cyber harassment and the last stage is forced subscription or loss of access to services…

 

Amazon/Google now what kind of phone or computer you're using to connect to your account, so with 'security' as a pretext they submit you to a verification process that they know your device can't get through, then you're losing access to your account and they'll end-up closing it for you to 'resolve' your problem…

 

These days for instance you got this MBOXUPDATE harassing SMS that's meant to 'warn' you that your device isn't up-to date, and to stop it you must get to unsubscribe to a mysterious 'option' that was set by DEFAULT in your mail account, that's how it's done…

 

Everything will be done to force people to use iphones, first insidiously and then more radically because even your car and home appliances will soon get and have to stay permanently connected to 'Skynet' like iphones or smart meters are…

 

The Internet is actually turning against its users for permanent access to them wherever they are and whatever they do… most people think they're 'enhanced human beings' thanks to their smart phones and 'apps' while they're actually surrendering their all privacy and intimacy to the Network and the community, not to even talk about 'inner life' anymore…

 

No need to say 'elites' and the rich won't ever live this way or comply to this new normal, because behind the insignificant 'benefits' advertised to you by access providers and device manufacturers hides absolute control by 'Skynet'…

 

We should have guessed that the Internet and mobile telephony were meant to merge together into this digital dictatorship nobody will escape unless you agree to go live in remote Alaska drinking melted snow, hunting for meat and burning wood for the rest of your life…

 

 

The real Skynet actually started in 1969 and it's quite the one described in the Terminator movie franchise…

 

 

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Operation COVID-19 is so closely connected to e-dictatorship that it might even be the main purpose… shutdown of all urban activity to the profit of online commerce and business, public transport reduced to promote remote communication and exchange, everything's done to move and resettle social life into Internet's digital world…

 

Even worse is that most people think it's a 'progress' for the good of the mankind…

 

Every single human being should be living as a 'prince' thanks to technology and look at what the mankind still has to go through… there must be some rich and mighty people working at making technology keep life painful to the greatest number, but it sure is no 'conspiracy'… : )

 

 

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On 1/13/2021 at 11:21 AM, old-timer said:

We're with NPower (I think they changed to something else now) and they have been sending me emails with appointments to fit a smart meter for about 18 month's.

 

I just ignore them and no one has ever turned up?


Yes im the same, I have the letter in front of me, they are now called eon next.

 

I better get on the phone and make sure they dont auto book me for this shit....

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On 1/13/2021 at 10:06 AM, Artmuzz said:

Thanks for the replies. I phoned up my gas and electricity supplier to complain and they gave me £10 credit on my meter as a goodwill gesture and they cancelled the installation of those dreaded smart meters. For the mental torment it caused me (as I have an anxiety and panic disorder) I expected more than £10 credit but it’s better than nothing.

 

 

Haha winner.

The filthy slags

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