MarpatV2 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, Macnamara said: I'm trying to explain the context here... Satanists will work through anything they can to build hell on earth. They will use ideologies, they will use religions they will do anything to seduce people into undermining certain foundational principles which are the ones that give us individual liberty They want to make it so that THEY and the state which they control is the highest authority. This is why communism pushes materialism when in fact karl marx himself came from a line of rabbi's. The people who are really steering international communists are not atheists themselves. they themselves are completely RELIGIOUS but they just want YOU to relinquish YOUR religion so that they can make the state your new god. That then gives them complete power over you because you will recognise no higher power than the state and the dictats it passes down on you with an iron fist You sound like you are very afraid of things just because they are not part of your mental prison and remain outside of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Macnamara Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, MarpatV2 said: Thelema is actually deprogramming, unlike the religion you buy into. For you its either believe of burn for eternity. Such nice choices. once again you build a strawman I have never once said anyone will burn in hell nor have i ever said i have a problem with gay people or 'crossdressers' or eating magic mushrooms You are building strawmen to try and frame me a certain way. This is incredibly dishonest of you Thelema IS programming BECAUSE it reframes your thinking to make you a useful idiot of the cabals agenda. It's their work you are doing here Just now, MarpatV2 said: You are wrong and no matter how much you whine on about it you will still be wrong. No the proof is right in front of us with what is going on in our society RIGHT NOW. Open your eyes and face REALITY as it is not how you wish it was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, Macnamara said: once again you build a strawman I have never once said anyone will burn in hell nor have i ever said i have a problem with gay people or 'crossdressers' or eating magic mushrooms You are building strawmen to try and frame me a certain way. This is incredibly dishonest of you Thelema IS programming BECAUSE it reframes your thinking to make you a useful idiot of the cabals agenda. It's their work you are doing here No the proof is right in front of us with what is going on in our society RIGHT NOW. Open your eyes and face REALITY as it is not how you wish it was How can freeing oneself from mental baggage that doesn't benefit ones true spiritual path constitute programming? Still scared of the scary cabal eh? My reality is not one where I live in fear of some shadows and calling them jews. You follow a creed that is built on laws that persecute gays and crossdressers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, MarpatV2 said: You sound like you are very afraid of things just because they are not part of your mental prison and remain outside of it. No i just understand what it is those people are doing to our society and our world This video will give you some idea. It has an ex GCHQ person whose work had a focus on russia and a cold war naval officer talking about what soviet defectors were saying about the agenda that was being perpetrated in the west. If you want to understand the bigger picture within which to view all these agendas and religions and ideologies as a disspationate obeservor seeking the truth (i'm not affiliated to any religious group or organisation) then you need to know this stuff: The Psychological Attack on the UK: Start of a Series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, MarpatV2 said: How can freeing oneself from mental baggage that doesn't benefit ones true spiritual path constitute programming? you are not free from mental baggae. All you have done is affix new mental baggage to yourself 1 minute ago, MarpatV2 said: Still scared of the scary cabal eh? I have a realistic view of what they are doing 1 minute ago, MarpatV2 said: My reality is not one where I live in fear of some shadows and calling them jews. The problem is you are creating your own 'reality'....your own perception, instead of living in alignment with ACTUAL REALITY. That will lead to madness 1 minute ago, MarpatV2 said: You follow a creed that is built on laws that persecute gays and crossdressers. No i have nothing to do with such a creed, whatever that creed is you are referring to Perhaps you mean christianity? Lets consider that the most tolerant and safe societies on the planet are all part of the christian tradition. Gay people and 'crossdressers' are nowhere safer than in countries of the christian tradition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Macnamara said: No i just understand what it is those people are doing to our society and our world This video will give you some idea. It has an ex GCHQ person whose work had a focus on russia and a cold war naval officer talking about what soviet defectors were saying about the agenda that was being perpetrated in the west. If you want to understand the bigger picture within which to view all these agendas and religions and ideologies as a disspationate obeservor seeking the truth (i'm not affiliated to any religious group or organisation) then you need to know this stuff: The Psychological Attack on the UK: Start of a Series lol, its always the west isnt it? the Russians have really benefited from your beliefs. You are affiliated with christianity. You defend it while criticising all other spiritual systems, you talk about christian morality, which is a farce and is often hypocritical. You talk about some plot to destroy christianity, as if the world needs it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, Macnamara said: you are not free from mental baggae. All you have done is affix new mental baggage to yourself I have a realistic view of what they are doing The problem is you are creating your own 'reality'....your own perception, instead of living in alignment with ACTUAL REALITY. That will lead to madness No i have nothing to do with such a creed, whatever that creed is you are referring to Perhaps you mean christianity? Lets consider that the most tolerant and safe societies on the planet are all part of the christian tradition. Gay people and 'crossdressers' are nowhere safer than in countries of the christian tradition As a person who has no experience of thelema and its methods you have no basis to state that. No, you have a fear based view that is afraid of change. You are like Alf Garnet. You are creating your own reality too, one where you are scared that shadows might get you and make you have a bar mitzvah. You already exist in madness. Christianity is not tolerant of people who are different. Its not religion that has given such people safety, its been the relevant governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, MarpatV2 said: As a person who has no experience of thelema and its methods you have no basis to state that. No, you have a fear based view that is afraid of change. You are like Alf Garnet. another strawman Are you even able to talk to another human being without being dishonest in your interaction with them? you are not a good advert for thelema. 1 minute ago, MarpatV2 said: You are creating your own reality too, one where you are scared that shadows might get you and make you have a bar mitzvah. You already exist in madness. No i'm looking at reality as it actually is 1 minute ago, MarpatV2 said: Christianity is not tolerant of people who are different. Its not religion that has given such people safety, its been the relevant governments. No the relevant government is the US government which built its constitution around the idea of God given rights This is why there is a move on now, by the satanic cult to destroy the constitution other governments controlled by the satanic cult like the soviet and maoist china and the british crown have all murdered countless people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaticWorld Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, MarpatV2 said: Christianity is not tolerant of people who are different. Explain the demographic shift in the West then if we're so intolerant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said: lol, its always the west isnt it? the Russians have really benefited from your beliefs. You are affiliated with christianity. You defend it while criticising all other spiritual systems, you talk about christian morality, which is a farce and is often hypocritical. You talk about some plot to destroy christianity, as if the world needs it. that's like saying 'my seat belt really chaffs so I'm not going to wear it'' right before you then crash into a tree! yeah the seatbelt is a pain in the arse but it has a purpose Now if someone wants you to die in that car then they could talk you into removing your seatbelt and they could rig the car to crash and that is what is going on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, EnigmaticWorld said: Explain the demographic shift in the West then if we're so intolerant. you are assuming you are speaking to a reasonable person he hasn't looked at anything i have shared with him. he's not interested in the wider picture or the truth. he's here to push his religious agenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, EnigmaticWorld said: Explain the demographic shift in the West then if we're so intolerant. Look at how people within churches have fought against female clergy, gays being in the community, etc. The chnages has come about because LIFE moves on and the church has had to adapt to these things or suffer being irrelevant in the modern world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Macnamara said: another strawman Are you even able to talk to another human being without being dishonest in your interaction with them? you are not a good advert for thelema. No i'm looking at reality as it actually is No the relevant government is the US government which built its constitution around the idea of God given rights This is why there is a move on now, by the satanic cult to destroy the constitution other governments controlled by the satanic cult like the soviet and maoist china and the british crown have all murdered countless people You mean the presumption of God given rights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaticWorld Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, MarpatV2 said: Look at how people within churches have fought against female clergy, gays being in the community, etc. The chnages has come about because LIFE moves on and the church has had to adapt to these things or suffer being irrelevant in the modern world So what. Leave my religion alone and stop being intolerant. You don't hear me banging on about LARPing thelemites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Macnamara said: that's like saying 'my seat belt really chaffs so I'm not going to wear it'' right before you then crash into a tree! yeah the seatbelt is a pain in the arse but it has a purpose Now if someone wants you to die in that car then they could talk you into removing your seatbelt and they could rig the car to crash and that is what is going on here So you say christianity has a purpose then? for whom and what is this purpose? cant people do the right thing without the need for some old Roman religion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, MarpatV2 said: Look at how people within churches have fought against female clergy, gays being in the community, etc. The chnages has come about because LIFE moves on and the church has had to adapt to these things or suffer being irrelevant in the modern world no the changes have occurred because there is an agenda to subvert the church and remove common law It doesn't matter how you feel about the church. You could be a british muslim or a british jew or a british anything but if you are sitting here right now reading this then you can see for yourself what is happening in our society You can see that our government is becoming a dictatorial government that micro-manages your life and this is because they have a sense of ENTITLEMENT. They believe that they can impose whatever arbitrary thing on you that they like They could impose, using the statute law which they control, that you MUST be injected with a toxic substance that will kill you or make you chronically sick. This is all because they do not recongise that there is NATURAL LAW or rather because they know that there is but are seeking to overturn it (to create hell on earth) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, EnigmaticWorld said: So what. Leave my religion alone and stop being intolerant. You don't hear me banging on about LARPing thelemites. Im not intolerant but when I see christians always knocking people down then I like to remind them of their history. I have no desire to turn you away from it. I just would like to see people stop using a bible as a tool to make others do what they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said: You mean the presumption of God given rights You can call it NATURAL LAW if you like. If you are genuine about understanding this perspective then that mark passio series of videos on natural law spells it all out This is highly relevant to us at this time as we see our government place us under house arrest This is why some people are turning to common law to claim their right to keep their businesses open This is at the centre of this whole thing and any thelmite reading this who genuinly believes in individual freedom needs to understand this dynamic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Macnamara said: no the changes have occurred because there is an agenda to subvert the church and remove common law It doesn't matter how you feel about the church. You could be a british muslim or a british jew or a british anything but if you are sitting here right now reading this then you can see for yourself what is happening in our society You can see that our government is becoming a dictatorial government that micro-manages your life and this is because they have a sense of ENTITLEMENT. They believe that they can impose whatever arbitrary thing on you that they like They could impose, using the statute law which they control, that you MUST be injected with a toxic substance that will kill you or make you chronically sick. This is all because they do not recongise that there is NATURAL LAW or rather because they know that there is but are seeking to overturn it (to create hell on earth) Again, more fear of the shadows from you. If you were left to live according to natural law then it could well be hell on earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said: So you say christianity has a purpose then? for whom and what is this purpose? cant people do the right thing without the need for some old Roman religion? I'm saying that a satanic cult is in rebellion against the creator and that they wish to create a hell on earth where human beings have no rights and are a slave class controlled by the lurianic kabbalist elite who control the dumbed down masses through a TECHNOCRACY This could not happen if everyone had the self respect that comes from knowing that they have natural law rights in this reality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, Macnamara said: I'm saying that a satanic cult is in rebellion against the creator and that they wish to create a hell on earth where human beings have no rights and are a slave class controlled by the lurianic kabbalist elite who control the dumbed down masses through a TECHNOCRACY This could not happen if everyone had the self respect that comes from knowing that they have natural law rights in this reality lol, satan works for God doesnt he? look at the book of Job. Its the church who made satan the embodiment of evil because they had to make God all good. In the OT God sends evil spirits to punish the wicked but christians would have a problem with that so they had to change their theology. Again you have to make a Jewish basis for your claim, and a crap one at that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, MarpatV2 said: Again, more fear of the shadows from you. If you were left to live according to natural law then it could well be hell on earth. you have no idea what you are talking about go and watch the whole mark passio series. Your mind has been reframed to see the world in a way that is going to lead society into slavery In order to break out of that programming and see the bigger picture here you need a bigger perspective and those videos will give you that To understand how societies have attempted to order themselves under various constitutions the UK Column has run a series called 'the dissidents guide to the constitution' and that is worth a listen because it goes to the heart of this problem we are in as we watch the globalist davos elites take the world through their 'great reset' to instal a new world government run by a technocratic elite in which you will have NO INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM because they will MICRO-MANAGE every aspect of your life Now it doesn't matter how you feel about christianity but the point i'm making about it is that the cabal despise it because it asserts that you have God given rights and that is a major obstacle to the cabals plan to make you believe that they are the only god you should listen to that's the real game going on here and thelema is just a tiny piece of a much larger picture and to understand the picture all things should be seen in context 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, Macnamara said: you have no idea what you are talking about go and watch the whole mark passio series. Your mind has been reframed to see the world in a way that is going to lead society into slavery In order to break out of that programming and see the bigger picture here you need a bigger perspective and those videos will give you that To understand how societies have attempted to order themselves under various constitutions the UK Column has run a series called 'the dissidents guide to the constitution' and that is worth a listen because it goes to the heart of this problem we are in as we watch the globalist davos elites take the world through their 'great reset' to instal a new world government run by a technocratic elite in which you will have NO INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM because they will MICRO-MANAGE every aspect of your life Now it doesn't matter how you feel about christianity but the point i'm making about it is that the cabal despise it because it asserts that you have God given rights and that is a major obstacle to the cabals plan to make you believe that they are the only god you should listen to that's the real game going on here and thelema is just a tiny piece of a much larger picture and to understand the picture all things should be seen in context What about this guy. Doesnt he have some points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaticWorld Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, Macnamara said: you are assuming you are speaking to a reasonable person he hasn't looked at anything i have shared with him. he's not interested in the wider picture or the truth. he's here to push his religious agenda Nah I'm seriously having to bite my tongue reading some of these reddit takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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