British Spirituality : William Blake : Taoism : Aleister Crowley

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, MarpatV2 said:

They sign up to developing their true, unique, individual spiritual will.

 

Read Liber Oz o see wat Crowleys idea on liberty is. I cant see many people disagreeing with it.

 

I've read it

If you are working with his system then your mind is already being sculpted within that prism

[MarpatV2]

6 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

I've read it

If you are working with his system then your mind is already being sculpted within that prism

Lol, yeah, how awful that he espouses individual liberty. I find it odd that you are against it. 

[Macnamara]

32 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said:

Lol, yeah, how awful that he espouses individual liberty. I find it odd that you are against it. 

 

I'm all for individual liberty but not disconnected from morality

 

For example you could have a serial killer who when caught says 'i was just exercising my personal liberty by killing those people'

 

Morality isn't relative and as soon as people start picking away at that the slide into satanism begins

 

Lets not equate liberty with licentiousness

Edited January 15, 2021 by Macnamara

[MarpatV2]

54 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

I'm all for individual liberty but not disconnected from morality

 

For example you could have a serial killer who when caught says 'i was just exercising my personal liberty by killing those people'

 

Morality isn't relative and as soon as people start picking away at that the slide into satanism begins

 

Lets not equate liberty with licentiousness

Are people not free so have sex if they please, as long as its consensual?

 

Morality IS relative. Different cultures have different views as to what is acceptable behaviour.

 

In thelema freedom also requires discipline, so that a person does not interfere with the will of others .

 

Crowley covered such a point as you mention. The killer removes the right of a persons will to live their life and as such is to be punished. In thelema personal liberty is not about abusing and killing others. Its about being free from the mental and emotional prisons life puts us in.

[Macnamara]

11 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said:

Are people not free so have sex if they please, as long as its consensual?

 

no they should not be screwing kids

 

11 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said:

Morality IS relative. Different cultures have different views as to what is acceptable behaviour.

 

there are universals

 

11 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said:

In thelema freedom also requires discipline, so that a person does not interfere with the will of others .

 

Crowley covered such a point as you mention. The killer removes the right of a persons will to live their life and as such is to be punished. In thelema personal liberty is not about abusing and killing others. Its about being free from the mental and emotional prisons life puts us in.

 

no its about waging war against christianity to bring in the new aeon

[steveh583]

On 1/14/2021 at 4:31 PM, Macnamara said:

 

I think that one is in his confessions

 

In those he breaks down religions in a very analytical way which demonstrates that he built his own religion from the ground up based on the component parts that he identified that a religion should have right down to the revelatory moment which he claimed occurred in a hotel room in egypt

i have confessions. there isnt

[MarpatV2]

5 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

no they should not be screwing kids

 

 

there are universals

 

 

no its about waging war against christianity to bring in the new aeon

Nobody mentioned kids except YOU. Thelema certainly DOESNT approve of it as children have their true will too. We are all stars after all. Why on earth do you feel the need to drag things down to that level?

 

The new aeon will come whether you like it or not. Wanting to hold onto a repressive religion from the past wont stop life marching on and growing. It will just make you increasingly irrelevant. I understand the fear though. You have been conditioned to think the bible is the truth and that anything against it must be evil. The people who created the bible and that mentality did so to control the behaviour of the populations.

[Macnamara]

53 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said:

Nobody mentioned kids except YOU. Thelema certainly DOESNT approve of it as children have their true will too. We are all stars after all. Why on earth do you feel the need to drag things down to that level?

 

that is what the sabbateans want (to remove all moral brakes) but going back to thelema, crowley writes in his 'book 4' about sacrificing young blonde boys does he not?

 

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The new aeon will come whether you like it or not. Wanting to hold onto a repressive religion from the past wont stop life marching on and growing. It will just make you increasingly irrelevant. I understand the fear though. You have been conditioned to think the bible is the truth and that anything against it must be evil. The people who created the bible and that mentality did so to control the behaviour of the populations.

 

well i agree that change is upon us but i don't share your satanic vision for society

Edited January 15, 2021 by Macnamara

[EnigmaticWorld]

59 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said:

The people who created the bible and that mentality did so to control the behaviour of the populations.

 

Why are the elites constantly trying to subvert and infiltrate it if it's only about control? Do they want a new control method?

[MarpatV2]

3 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

that is what the sabbateans want (to remove all moral brakes) but going back to thelema, crowley writes in his 'book 4' about sacrificing young blonde boys does he not?

 

 

well i agree that change is upon us but i don't share your satanic vision for society

I think this reflects your fear of society more than anything else. You cant cope with people having more freedom than in the past, that they are not bound by the codes of an ancient desert tribe, rules that include the killing of gays, crossdressers, etc. 

 

It is your stance which is satanic as you want people to be nicely tucked away in your christian box, where their behaviour will be controlled by a sense of guilt. You want others to live in a way that doesnt make you afraid.

 

Its funny that people who rant on about freedom are the ones who think that a repressive religion like christianity is the answer. FFS loads of those people thought Trump was a messenger from God! you dont want to admit that the reason for many fuck ups in the world is the twisted use of christianity to take control of people and their land, so you just try and slide the blame onto jews.

 

Crowley doesnt mention sacrificing young blonde boys. Maybe thats your fantasy? 

[MarpatV2]

1 minute ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Why are the elites constantly trying to subvert and infiltrate it if it's only about control? Do they want a new control method?

Subvert the bible? its a patchwork of pseudographia. Its no longer of much use for control, except in the US clearly, as most people have broken free from the chains.

[EnigmaticWorld]

Just now, MarpatV2 said:

Subvert the bible? its a patchwork of pseudographia. Its no longer of much use for control, except in the US clearly, as most people have broken free from the chains.

 

Not the Bible necessarily, I'm talking about Christianity as a whole.

[MarpatV2]

Just now, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Not the Bible necessarily, I'm talking about Christianity as a whole.

Lol, it needs subverting really. No matter what branch you look into there is corruption and sickness.

 

What use is there for a religion that has blocked scientific advances throughout history, has killed and tortured millions of people for being different, has stolen the land from native peoples because its their 'right' as Gods 'chosen people'? the really shitty thing is their repression of other cultures when its been shown that both Judaism and christianity have pagan origins themselves. You're not even allowed to question the authority of it.

[EnigmaticWorld]

Just now, MarpatV2 said:

Lol, it needs subverting really. No matter what branch you look into there is corruption and sickness.

 

What use is there for a religion that has blocked scientific advances throughout history, has killed and tortured millions of people for being different, has stolen the land from native peoples because its their 'right' as Gods 'chosen people'? the really shitty thing is their repression of other cultures when its been shown that both Judaism and christianity have pagan origins themselves.

 

Thanks for calling me and my loved ones sick. I shall go tell Ethel at the Sally Army that she needs to be purged.

 

Just now, MarpatV2 said:

You're not even allowed to question the authority of it.

 

Can you elaborate? The biggest atheist hangout on the internet is basically just an anti-Christian message board. I thought it was encouraged in today's culture to question the authority of it.

[MarpatV2]

2 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Thanks for calling me and my loved ones sick. I shall go tell Ethel at the Sally Army that she needs to be purged.

 

 

Can you elaborate? The biggest atheist hangout on the internet is basically just an anti-Christian message board. I thought it was encouraged in today's culture to question the authority of it.

You know what, Im all for letting people follow their own religion as long as they dont interfere with others. What really narks me about most christians is that the presume they have some special place and authority to tell other people what to believe and how to live, then try to enforce it all with guilt and threats of eternal damnation. I realise they are not all like that but it seems to most vocal ones generally are.

 

When people try to BS me and use the bible as justification I will take them to the cleaners and show them what weak foundations they are on. If people want to debate other spiritual topics Im up for that but if people want to be bigots and just have a slagging match then I can do that too.

 

 

[EnigmaticWorld]

4 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said:

You know what, Im all for letting people follow their own religion as long as they dont interfere with others. What really narks me about most christians is that the presume they have some special place and authority to tell other people what to believe and how to live, then try to enforce it all with guilt and threats of eternal damnation. I realise they are not all like that but it seems to most vocal ones generally are.

 

When people try to BS me and use the bible as justification I will take them to the cleaners and show them what weak foundations they are on. If people want to debate other spiritual topics Im up for that but if people want to be bigots and just have a slagging match then I can do that too.

 

 

 

Fair enough.

 

I don't care about weaponized words like 'bigot'. The most supremacist people going are out there calling people bigots all day long, and they think we don't notice.

[EnigmaticWorld]

Not to mention the bigotry of low expectations that is common these days too.

[Macnamara]

2 hours ago, MarpatV2 said:

I think this reflects your fear of society more than anything else. You cant cope with people having more freedom than in the past, that they are not bound by the codes of an ancient desert tribe, rules that include the killing of gays, crossdressers, etc. 

 

I'm not aware of christians going out killing gay people and 'crossdressers' but you are the one following the codes of a desert tribe because you are the one who is seeking to advance the lurianic kabbalist agenda

 

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It is your stance which is satanic as you want people to be nicely tucked away in your christian box, where their behaviour will be controlled by a sense of guilt. You want others to live in a way that doesnt make you afraid.

 

I'm not advocating anything, i'm saying that there are people with a satanic agenda who want to bring about their world government and in order to achieve that they need to socially engineer society and as part of that agenda they are seeking to destroy christian morality which is built around family and community

 

Communism on the other hand wants the state to be the new god and for the laws to be made by the people who run the state instead of natural law. They want to destroy the family and make the state the owner and controller of children so that they can brainwash the kids to the doctrines of the state. Those people who are pursuing that agenda despise the foundations of christendom which are the family and community and natural law

 

If they are to dictate to us what the law is then they can't allow people to claim law from a higher power than the state. This means they need to destroy religion so that the laws created by the state are the highest authority and of course as they control the state they would then get top dictate the laws

 

If you want freedom you are on the wrong side!

 

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Its funny that people who rant on about freedom are the ones who think that a repressive religion like christianity is the answer. FFS loads of those people thought Trump was a messenger from God! you dont want to admit that the reason for many fuck ups in the world is the twisted use of christianity to take control of people and their land, so you just try and slide the blame onto jews.

 

Much of what is blamed on christianity was actually carried out by merrano crypto jews

 

This is a forum for truthers and if we want the truth we will have to look under all the rocks

 

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Crowley doesnt mention sacrificing young blonde boys. Maybe thats your fantasy? 

Chapter XII Of the Bloody Sacrifice and Matters Cognate.

Magick in Theory and Practice

The blood is the life. This simple statement is explained by the Hindus by saying that the blood is the principal vehicle of vital Prana.

The animal should therefore be killed⁴⁾ within the Circle, or the Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape.

For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence ⁷⁾ is the most satisfactory and suitable victim.

For evocations it would be more convenient to place the blood of the victim in the Triangle — the idea being that the spirit might obtain from the blood this subtle but physical substance which was the quintessence of its life in such a manner as to enable it to take on a visible and tangible shape

https://hermetic.com/crowley/book-4/chap12

Edited January 16, 2021 by Macnamara

[MarpatV2]

10 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

I'm not aware of christians going out killing gay people and 'crossdressers' but you are the one following the codes of a desert tribe because you are the one who is seeking to advance the lurianic kabbalist agenda

 

 

I'm not advocating anything, i'm saying that there are people with a satanic agenda who want to bring about their world government and in order to achieve that they need to socially engineer society and as part of that agenda they are seeking to destroy christian morality which is built around family and community

 

Communism on the other hand wants the state to be the new god and for the laws to be made by the people who run the state instead of natural law. They want to destroy the family and make the state the owner and controller of children so that they can brainwash the kids to the doctrines of the state. Those people who are pursuing that agenda despise the foundations of christendom which are the family and community and natural law

 

If they are to dictate to us what the law is then they can't allow people to claim law from a higher power than the state. This means they need to destroy religion so that the laws created by the state are the highest authority and of course as they control the state they would then get top dictate the laws

 

If you want freedom you are on the wrong side!

 

 

Much of what is blamed on christianity was actually carried out by merrano crypto jews

 

This is a forum for truthers and if we want the truth we will have to look under all the rocks

 

Chapter XII Of the Bloody Sacrifice and Matters Cognate.

Magick in Theory and Practice

The blood is the life. This simple statement is explained by the Hindus by saying that the blood is the principal vehicle of vital Prana.

The animal should therefore be killed⁴⁾ within the Circle, or the Triangle, as the case may be, so that its energy cannot escape.

For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence ⁷⁾ is the most satisfactory and suitable victim.

For evocations it would be more convenient to place the blood of the victim in the Triangle — the idea being that the spirit might obtain from the blood this subtle but physical substance which was the quintessence of its life in such a manner as to enable it to take on a visible and tangible shape

https://hermetic.com/crowley/book-4/chap12

Yeah, its never the christians murdering their way around the world is it. You just expose your jew hating again Wave.

 

Christianity is not the ultimate truth. The book is a collection of pseudographia used by a Roman emperor to try adn regain some sort of unity and control for his weakening empire. Its easier to control large groups if they are united with a common creed, etc.

 

There is no such thing as christian morality. There is good and bad behaviour, that's all.

 

If you want truth then look under the rocks of the religion you try to shore up, its history of violence, hate, genocide, ad infinitum. Knowing your methods though you will just slide the blame to jews.

 

Crowley did write that but doesnt mean he did it or took it at literal view. He was taken to court over this but acquitted because he was quoting other authors. Doesnt the bible talk about eating flesh and drinking blood? suddenly becomes symbolic doesnt it?

 

Its funny that you try to make out Crowley was some mass murder yet you do everything you can to wipe the shit stains off a religion that has committed untold amounts of murder and sexual abuse.

[MarpatV2]

12 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Fair enough.

 

I don't care about weaponized words like 'bigot'. The most supremacist people going are out there calling people bigots all day long, and they think we don't notice.

I dont care for weaponised words like satanist. 

 

 

[Macnamara]

1 hour ago, MarpatV2 said:

I dont care for weaponised words like satanist.

 

It's what they call themselves

[MarpatV2]

1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

It's what they call themselves

Yes satanists call themselves that but I dont like how its misapplied to people who have no association.

 

 

[Macnamara]

1 hour ago, MarpatV2 said:

Yeah, its never the christians murdering their way around the world is it. You just expose your jew hating again Wave.

 

Again and again you set up straw men to try and misrepresent what I'm saying. This shows that you are not an honest broker seeking the truth. You are someone pushing an agenda who is trying to hide the truth

 

I'm speaking about a global, satanic cult and yes i do tie the heretical jewish sabbatean cult into that because at the centre of this occult conspiracy is lurianic kabbalah which is a supremacist doctrine

 

Communism is just an instrument that cabal created in order to hoodwink people into following various aspects of the agenda in order to assist the cult in their remoulding of society. How i feel about christianity is irrelevant here as i'm not talking about that. I'm talking about how that cult feels about christianity and why it feels that way

 

1 hour ago, MarpatV2 said:

Christianity is not the ultimate truth. The book is a collection of pseudographia used by a Roman emperor to try adn regain some sort of unity and control for his weakening empire. Its easier to control large groups if they are united with a common creed, etc.

 

There is no such thing as christian morality. There is good and bad behaviour, that's all.

 

You are only seeing the world through the prism of your thelemic programming which makes you see the world one dimensionally as a death struggle between thelema and christianity. I see a much bigger picture here, so really focus in on what I'm about to say because this is the crux of the whole thing and this is what thelemites need to understand to become truely wise:

 

The struggle going on right now is not really between capitalism and communism or between christianity and thelema. The struggle is between those people who say that they have inalienable, God given rights for example to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness v's those that say there is no God and that the only laws are those made by man

 

Now here's the implication of that.....the implication of that argument is then that whoever controls the state apparatus gets to make the rules and those rules could be ones that have no respect for your life, liberty or pursuit of happiness. They could pass a law that says you are an outlaw who must be shot on sight. They could pass a law that says just because of some innate aspect of your being for example your skin colour, that you are an enemy of the state and should be rounded up and put in camps

 

All the evil people who have done this to other human beings throughout history are all people who have argued that humans have no God given rights and that the only rights we have are those given us by the state

 

Just look at what is happening right now in Britain with this covid-flu-hysteria. The freemasons who control the british establishment have turned common law on its head. Previously British common law was that we had the right to do what we want as long as it wasn't expressly forbidden eg theft, murder, rape. But they have turned that on its head and now they tell us that we can ONLY do what they expressly tell us to do eg leave our house once a day, go to shops that they approve of, visit only certain people etc

 

This is because they are satanists who believe that we have no inalienable rights and that there is no higher power than them. This of coruse then gives them god like powers to dictate every aspect of our lives to us. Thelema, plays into their hands by acting as a further dagger into the back of the idea that we have God given rights

 

1 hour ago, MarpatV2 said:

If you want truth then look under the rocks of the religion you try to shore up, its history of violence, hate, genocide, ad infinitum. Knowing your methods though you will just slide the blame to jews.

 

Crowley did write that but doesnt mean he did it or took it at literal view. He was taken to court over this but acquitted because he was quoting other authors. Doesnt the bible talk about eating flesh and drinking blood? suddenly becomes symbolic doesnt it?

 

Its funny that you try to make out Crowley was some mass murder yet you do everything you can to wipe the shit stains off a religion that has committed untold amounts of murder and sexual abuse.

 

Crowley makes it very clear by citing the 'golden bough' (which i have read) that he is speaking about blood sacrifice

 

With the christian mass the people are said to be eating the 'blood of christ' and just as the pagans used to kill john barleycorn every year the christians drink the wine that is the product of the sun. Even thelemites will admit this as they will say that jesus is associated with the tiphareth the sphere of the sun

[Macnamara]

11 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said:

Yes satanists call themselves that but I dont like how its misapplied to people who have no association.

 

I'm trying to explain the context here...

 

Satanists will work through anything they can to build hell on earth. They will use ideologies, they will use religions they will do anything to seduce people into undermining certain foundational principles which are the ones that give us individual liberty

 

They want to make it so that THEY and the state which they control is the highest authority. This is why communism pushes materialism when in fact karl marx himself came from a line of rabbi's. The people who are really steering international communists are not atheists themselves. they themselves are completely RELIGIOUS but they just want YOU to relinquish YOUR religion so that they can make the state your new god. That then gives them complete power over you because you will recognise no higher power than the state and the dictats it passes down on you with an iron fist

[MarpatV2]

2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

Again and again you set up straw men to try and misrepresent what I'm saying. This shows that you are not an honest broker seeking the truth. You are someone pushing an agenda who is trying to hide the truth

 

I'm speaking about a global, satanic cult and yes i do tie the heretical jewish sabbatean cult into that because at the centre of this occult conspiracy is lurianic kabbalah which is a supremacist doctrine

 

Communism is just an instrument that cabal created in order to hoodwink people into following various aspects of the agenda in order to assist the cult in their remoulding of society. How i feel about christianity is irrelevant here as i'm not talking about that. I'm talking about how that cult feels about christianity and why it feels that way

 

 

You are only seeing the world through the prism of your thelemic programming which makes you see the world one dimensionally as a death struggle between thelema and christianity. I see a much bigger picture here, so really focus in on what I'm about to say because this is the crux of the whole thing and this is what thelemites need to understand to become truely wise:

 

The struggle going on right now is not really between capitalism and communism or between christianity and thelema. The struggle is between those people who say that they have inalienable, God given rights for example to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness v's those that say there is no God and that the only laws are those made by man

 

Now here's the implication of that.....the implication of that argument is then that whoever controls the state apparatus gets to make the rules and those rules could be ones that have no respect for your life, liberty or pursuit of happiness. They could pass a law that says you are an outlaw who must be shot on sight. They could pass a law that says just because of some innate aspect of your being for example your skin colour, that you are an enemy of the state and should be rounded up and put in camps

 

All the evil people who have done this to other human beings throughout history are all people who have argued that humans have no God given rights and that the only rights we have are those given us by the state

 

Just look at what is happening right now in Britain with this covid-flu-hysteria. The freemasons who control the british establishment have turned common law on its head. Previously British common law was that we had the right to do what we want as long as it wasn't expressly forbidden eg theft, murder, rape. But they have turned that on its head and now they tell us that we can ONLY do what they expressly tell us to do eg leave our house once a day, go to shops that they approve of, visit only certain people etc

 

This is because they are satanists who believe that we have no inalienable rights and that there is no higher power than them. This of coruse then gives them god like powers to dictate every aspect of our lives to us. Thelema, plays into their hands by acting as a further dagger into the back of the idea that we have God given rights

 

 

Crowley makes it very clear by citing the 'golden bough' (which i have read) that he is speaking about blood sacrifice

 

With the christian mass the people are said to be eating the 'blood of christ' and just as the pagans used to kill john barleycorn every year the christians drink the wine that is the product of the sun. Even thelemites will admit this as they will say that jesus is associated with the tiphareth the sphere of the sun

Thelema is actually deprogramming, unlike the religion you buy into. For you its either believe of burn for eternity. Such nice choices.

 

You are wrong and no matter how much you whine on about it you will still be wrong.