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I saw an old Johnny Depp western yesterday, "Dead Man", they made a quote from a long poem by William Blake.  Great movie, soundtrack by Neil Young.   I am going to assemble 3 quotes, one from each of those in the title.  Afterwards I will say the difference between these quotes and modern politics.

 

Tao Te Ching

The ten thousand things carry yin and embrace yang.
They achieve harmony by combining these forces.

 

Crowley

Many have arisen, being wise They have said "Seek out the glittering Image in the place ever golden, and unite yourselves with It."
Many have arisen, being fools. They have said, "Stoop down unto the darkly splendid world, and be wedded to that Blind Creature of the Slime."
I who am beyond Wisdom and Folly, arise and say unto you: achieve both weddings! Unite yourselves with both!
Beware, beware, I say, lest ye seek after the one and lose the other!  My adepts stand upright; their head above the heavens, their feet 
below the hells.
But since one is naturally attracted to the Angel, another to the Demon, let the first strengthen the lower link, the last attach more 
firmly to the higher.Thus shall equilibrium become perfect.

 

William Blake Auguries of Innocence
To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower 
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand 
And Eternity in an hour
A Robin Red breast in a Cage
Puts all Heaven in a Rage 
A Dove house filld with Doves & Pigeons
Shudders Hell thr' all its regions 
A dog starvd at his Masters Gate
Predicts the ruin of the State 
A Horse misusd upon the Road
Calls to Heaven for Human blood 
Each outcry of the hunted Hare
A fibre from the Brain does tear 
A Skylark wounded in the wing 
A Cherubim does cease to sing 
The Game Cock clipd & armd for fight
Does the Rising Sun affright 
Every Wolfs & Lions howl
Raises from Hell a Human Soul 
The wild deer, wandring here & there 
Keeps the Human Soul from Care 
The Lamb misusd breeds Public Strife
And yet forgives the Butchers knife 
The Bat that flits at close of Eve
Has left the Brain that wont Believe
The Owl that calls upon the Night
Speaks the Unbelievers fright
He who shall hurt the little Wren
Shall never be belovd by Men 
He who the Ox to wrath has movd
Shall never be by Woman lovd
The wanton Boy that kills the Fly
Shall feel the Spiders enmity 
He who torments the Chafers Sprite
Weaves a Bower in endless Night 
The Catterpiller on the Leaf
Repeats to thee thy Mothers grief 
Kill not the Moth nor Butterfly 
For the Last Judgment draweth nigh 
He who shall train the Horse to War
Shall never pass the Polar Bar 
The Beggars Dog & Widows Cat 
Feed them & thou wilt grow fat 
The Gnat that sings his Summers Song
Poison gets from Slanders tongue 
The poison of the Snake & Newt
Is the sweat of Envys Foot 
The poison of the Honey Bee
Is the Artists Jealousy
The Princes Robes & Beggars Rags
Are Toadstools on the Misers Bags 
A Truth thats told with bad intent
Beats all the Lies you can invent 
It is right it should be so 
Man was made for Joy & Woe 
And when this we rightly know 
Thro the World we safely go 
Joy & Woe are woven fine 
A Clothing for the soul divine 
Under every grief & pine
Runs a joy with silken twine 
The Babe is more than swadling Bands
Throughout all these Human Lands
Tools were made & Born were hands 
Every Farmer Understands
Every Tear from Every Eye
Becomes a Babe in Eternity 
This is caught by Females bright
And returnd to its own delight 
The Bleat the Bark Bellow & Roar 
Are Waves that Beat on Heavens Shore 
The Babe that weeps the Rod beneath
Writes Revenge in realms of Death 
The Beggars Rags fluttering in Air
Does to Rags the Heavens tear 
The Soldier armd with Sword & Gun 
Palsied strikes the Summers Sun
The poor Mans Farthing is worth more
Than all the Gold on Africs Shore
One Mite wrung from the Labrers hands
Shall buy & sell the Misers Lands 
Or if protected from on high 
Does that whole Nation sell & buy 
He who mocks the Infants Faith
Shall be mockd in Age & Death 
He who shall teach the Child to Doubt
The rotting Grave shall neer get out 
He who respects the Infants faith
Triumphs over Hell & Death 
The Childs Toys & the Old Mans Reasons
Are the Fruits of the Two seasons 
The Questioner who sits so sly 
Shall never know how to Reply 
He who replies to words of Doubt
Doth put the Light of Knowledge out 
The Strongest Poison ever known
Came from Caesars Laurel Crown 
Nought can Deform the Human Race
Like to the Armours iron brace 
When Gold & Gems adorn the Plow
To peaceful Arts shall Envy Bow 
A Riddle or the Crickets Cry
Is to Doubt a fit Reply 
The Emmets Inch & Eagles Mile
Make Lame Philosophy to smile 
He who Doubts from what he sees
Will neer Believe do what you Please 
If the Sun & Moon should Doubt 
Theyd immediately Go out 
To be in a Passion you Good may Do 
But no Good if a Passion is in you 
The Whore & Gambler by the State
Licencd build that Nations Fate 
The Harlots cry from Street to Street 
Shall weave Old Englands winding Sheet 
The Winners Shout the Losers Curse 
Dance before dead Englands Hearse 
Every Night & every Morn
Some to Misery are Born 
Every Morn and every Night
Some are Born to sweet delight 
Some are Born to sweet delight 
Some are Born to Endless Night 

We are led to Believe a Lie
When we see not Thro the Eye
Which was Born in a Night to perish in a Night 
When the Soul Slept in Beams of Light 
God Appears & God is Light
To those poor Souls who dwell in Night 
But does a Human Form Display
To those who Dwell in Realms of day
 

 

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These people are interested in the high, as well as the low.

They are interested in the sky, as well as the earth.

They are interested in the outer, as well as the inner.

And so they become wise in both directions, they have mountains and valleys.

 

When you hear in politics "acceptance", accepting this or that .. accepting everyone.

They don't know anyone.

They don't care about anyone.

Theirs are empty words, they care neither for high or low.

They do not enter anything.

 

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William blake was a gnostic and was likely receiving his gnostic knowledge from some source

 

Crowley in that quote above seems to be pushing a sabbatean ethos of pursuing holiness through sin. In kabbalistic terms his followers feet in the hells would be in the dark flip side of the tree of life. Crowley considered himself a spermo-gnostic and his gnostic MASS involved the consumption of semen

 

I personally believe that crowleys 'secret chiefs' were in fact the rothschild cabal and some people perceive a link between the rothschilds and the hermetic order of the golden dawn in which crowley cut his occult teeth

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The british empire was built on an illusion.

 

Once countries woke upto how small uk really was, countries drove uk out. They were only able to con the world with that illusion until, the natives woke up. The british empire only existed on an illusion of strength.

 

Thats why ptb moved there power base to usa.

 

The socalled illuminati are not as good as people are led to believe. Yep, they may be ok, but in reality a tramp on the street may of had just as much to them, then any in the uk illumined society.

 

Uk power and strength is mostly just an illusion, and thats why the ptb moved there power base to usa last century, and the uk empire really fell away.

 

The ptb would like you to believe they are so powerful, but in reality they are often missing things most poor people have that they do not. What ptb families have is drive, and alot of poor people miss this.

 

The ptb families drive, is more important than there supposed skills in occult.

 

The uk empire was mostly an illusion. Once natives in countries woke upto it, there illusion mostly fell apart.

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Yeah think your a bit off the mark there andy, have you watched the spiders web? Know anything about the city of London? Vatican etc.. or if you wanna go right back the line of the king and the line of the priest... the illusion hasn't fallen apart its in full swing!! 

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@Macnamara   I am not promoting Crowley, but some things he wrote were good.

 

@andy1033  British power was not an illusion, it was based on hard work, incredible skill and industry, and a fertile mix of things.   The shipbuilding and milling industries created hard work and highly skilled people, who took the King James Bible as a big spirit, and the empire was a new form of legal instrument that allowed for the first time privater personal wealth, which wasn't tribal.   Britain was way ahead in that, and even today people use the British legal system.

India was not conquered by Britain, it was under the rule of the Persians for 300 years ... and they pretty much gave it to Britain.   India had been very poor for thousands of years, ruled by many dynasties. 
The Persians would make walls out of the severed heads of Hindus and wanted to spread their seed into India.
Britain was very different to that, it was an economic administration not theft ... they simply stabilised the country and build the rail in order to facilitate trade, commodities for money.  And many Indians got rich, and Britain is very much still appreciated.

Most of the Indian rulers sent their kids to England to be educated ... why?  Because it is the best on the planet, at least from a certain perspective.

 

Slavery ... the abolishment of it occurred in England and today English NGOs rule the world in that way.  It is a pioneering country, for better or worse.

It is too easy to look at history convinced that everyone is and was an idiot except yourself.

Why did Europeans take slaves to the W.Indies?  Actually they bought them from black slavers who still trade today.  Slavery is very much alive in African and the ME.

The Euopeans should feel very proud they abolished it, at least officially.

On the ships to the W.Indies the death rate was the same for the white sailors and the black slaves.
The black slaves were "low caste" ... not all Africans were slaved, according to their societies ... what future would they have had in Africa?  Today they own most of the W.Indies and are a big part of American society.  Perhaps a better future than they would have had in Africa.
Can you cope with that reality, or  is it easier to imagine bambi?
Slavery is a big word ... perhaps people just need labourers and force you to do it.  Maybe you didn't have anything better to do anyway !!!  We are all slaves in any case.

 

Today a certain kind of parasite has inverted history ... and many things, they gain power from absolute lies.

And so it goes.

The stories we hear in the media ... you can be sure the truth is about 180 degrees opposite.

 

Britain is small but it's power was sheer power.  Happens from time to time.

 

The thing the vermin of the Earth wish you to believe is that success is not earned.

For the vermin it would be the worst thing in the world if you could earn success, it makes the vermin feel small and they have no interest in working hard.

 

There is corruption everywhere ... countries have to survive.   You can criticize anything you want ... that's okay to.

But be under no illusions that only certain things can survive on this planet.

This is not a peaceful place.

 

 

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1 hour ago, rideforever said:

@Macnamara   I am not promoting Crowley, but some things he wrote were good.

 

judge a tree by its fruits

 

don't just listen to what people say, watch what they do

 

crowley was pursuing an agenda and i would strongly suggest that he was not an independent operator as he would himself have claimed but was in fact an agent provocateur of the 'illuminati' there to socially engineer society into something else in the new age. Thelemites might argue that he was asserting individual rights but the trend is not in that direction. The trend is towards top down control both in society and in the secret society network of which his organisations were a more visible outer fringe. That secret society network is what is driving the changes in society

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23 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

judge a tree by its fruits

 

don't just listen to what people say, watch what they do

 

crowley was pursuing an agenda and i would strongly suggest that he was not an independent operator as he would himself have claimed but was in fact an agent provocateur of the 'illuminati' there to socially engineer society into something else in the new age. Thelemites might argue that he was asserting individual rights but the trend is not in that direction. The trend is towards top down control both in society and in the secret society network of which his organisations were a more visible outer fringe. That secret society network is what is driving the changes in society

Yes, his agenda was to spread thelema. Thelema is actually anti control because it puts the emphasis on the individual to do their true will. Read Liber Oz to see what its about. Thelemites dont need to argue about it being about personal liberty because the book of the law clearly states it is exactly that. There are 4 virtues of thelema, love, light, life and liberty. Do you think these are bad?

 

Crowley was controversial because he stood against many of the norms of the society he lived in. Look at how many people abuse Icke, saying he is a tool of the devil and a false prophet, etc. Crowley wasnt perfect and his sense of humour got him into trouble. He made mistakes but he was only human.

 

So, are you judging the man by his fruits or by the things that are written about him to slander him?

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Yes, his agenda was to spread thelema. Thelema is actually anti control because it puts the emphasis on the individual to do their true will. Read Liber Oz to see what its about. Thelemites dont need to argue about it being about personal liberty because the book of the law clearly states it is exactly that. There are 4 virtues of thelema, love, light, life and liberty. Do you think these are bad?

 

Crowley was controversial because he stood against many of the norms of the society he lived in. Look at how many people abuse Icke, saying he is a tool of the devil and a false prophet, etc. Crowley wasnt perfect and his sense of humour got him into trouble. He made mistakes but he was only human.

 

So, are you judging the man by his fruits or by the things that are written about him to slander him?

I post this in a previous thread and think its applicable here

 

never has there been more misinformation written about a single person in history that crowley. Basically he was the victim of the worlds first smear campaign by the media (who were offended by his open bisexuality and criticism of the church). The same media you lot still criticise for their treatment of icke.  All of you who still believe such twaddle are the same as the sheep who dismiss icke instantly. Its not like there aren't credible biographies covering his (unbelievably action packed) life, or people who worked with him like israelie regardie who will give you a more practical perspective. 

 

He wasn't a satanist, he was a thelemite. He wouldn't have given any credence to satanism as this would lend credibility to christianity, something he'd loath to do. He certainly wasn't a "nice" guy, he was selfish, silly and had a ridiculous ego.....but he wasn't evil. Basically he was a trust fund brat, and that attitude spilled over into his work meaning he couldn't walk the path he preached. 

 

If you read his actual work it is surprisingly tame and more in the lines of hindu/daoist philosophy.  Many people will misquote "do what that wilt" as if its hedonistic, when it actually means "find your divine purpose" IE find your true calling in life. They will also quote a single line about "sacrificing 150 children a year" which is a joke referencing masturbation because he was bound by the literacy laws of the age. if they bothered to read the rest of the chapter, he signs it off basically stating only a complete idiot would take this seriously.

 

crowley was a impish raconteur, as was the popular writing influence of the age (Oscar wilde?) and didn't suffer fools gladly so was happy to encourage his ridiculous reputation.

Here is his quotes on black magic 

Black magic is not a myth. It is a totally unscientific and emotional form of magic, but it does get results — of an extremely temporary nature. The recoil upon those who practice it is terrific.
It is like looking for an escape of gas with a lighted candle. As far as the search goes, there is little fear of failure!
To practice black magic you have to violate every principle of science, decency, and intelligence. You must be obsessed with an insane idea of the importance of the petty object of your wretched and selfish desires.
I have been accused of being a "black magician." No more foolish statement was ever made about me. I despise the thing to such an extent that I can hardly believe in the existence of people so debased and idiotic as to practice it.

 

on the media 

To read a newspaper is to refrain from reading something worth while. The natural laziness of the mind tempts one to eschew authors who demand a continuous effort of intelligence. The first discipline of education must therefore be to refuse resolutely to feed the mind with canned chatter.
People tell me that they must read the papers so as to know what is going on. In the first place, they could hardly find a worse guide. Most of what is printed turns out to be false, sooner or later. Even when there is no deliberate deception, the account must, from the nature of the case, be presented without adequate reflection and must seem to possess an importance which time shows to be absurdly exaggerated; or vice versa. No event can be fairly judged without background and perspective.

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4 hours ago, steveh583 said:

He wasn't a satanist, he was a thelemite.

 

he himself said he was a satanist

 

as for lending credence to christianity he says in his own book of the law (based in the judaic book of the law concept) that horus should pluck the eyes of jesus out, so right there in his central book he puts the destruction of christianity front and centre

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19 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

he himself said he was a satanist

 

as for lending credence to christianity he says in his own book of the law (based in the judaic book of the law concept) that horus should pluck the eyes of jesus out, so right there in his central book he puts the destruction of christianity front and centre

Can you find any quote of his where he calls himself a satanist? I have never seen one

 

And christianity has put the destruction of multitudes of cultures at is centre. What Crowley was doing is showing that things never stay still and hanging onto the past is just folly. 

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4 hours ago, steveh583 said:

I post this in a previous thread and think its applicable here

 

never has there been more misinformation written about a single person in history that crowley. Basically he was the victim of the worlds first smear campaign by the media (who were offended by his open bisexuality and criticism of the church). The same media you lot still criticise for their treatment of icke.  All of you who still believe such twaddle are the same as the sheep who dismiss icke instantly. Its not like there aren't credible biographies covering his (unbelievably action packed) life, or people who worked with him like israelie regardie who will give you a more practical perspective. 

 

He wasn't a satanist, he was a thelemite. He wouldn't have given any credence to satanism as this would lend credibility to christianity, something he'd loath to do. He certainly wasn't a "nice" guy, he was selfish, silly and had a ridiculous ego.....but he wasn't evil. Basically he was a trust fund brat, and that attitude spilled over into his work meaning he couldn't walk the path he preached. 

 

If you read his actual work it is surprisingly tame and more in the lines of hindu/daoist philosophy.  Many people will misquote "do what that wilt" as if its hedonistic, when it actually means "find your divine purpose" IE find your true calling in life. They will also quote a single line about "sacrificing 150 children a year" which is a joke referencing masturbation because he was bound by the literacy laws of the age. if they bothered to read the rest of the chapter, he signs it off basically stating only a complete idiot would take this seriously.

 

crowley was a impish raconteur, as was the popular writing influence of the age (Oscar wilde?) and didn't suffer fools gladly so was happy to encourage his ridiculous reputation.

Here is his quotes on black magic 

Black magic is not a myth. It is a totally unscientific and emotional form of magic, but it does get results — of an extremely temporary nature. The recoil upon those who practice it is terrific.
It is like looking for an escape of gas with a lighted candle. As far as the search goes, there is little fear of failure!
To practice black magic you have to violate every principle of science, decency, and intelligence. You must be obsessed with an insane idea of the importance of the petty object of your wretched and selfish desires.
I have been accused of being a "black magician." No more foolish statement was ever made about me. I despise the thing to such an extent that I can hardly believe in the existence of people so debased and idiotic as to practice it.

 

on the media 

To read a newspaper is to refrain from reading something worth while. The natural laziness of the mind tempts one to eschew authors who demand a continuous effort of intelligence. The first discipline of education must therefore be to refuse resolutely to feed the mind with canned chatter.
People tell me that they must read the papers so as to know what is going on. In the first place, they could hardly find a worse guide. Most of what is printed turns out to be false, sooner or later. Even when there is no deliberate deception, the account must, from the nature of the case, be presented without adequate reflection and must seem to possess an importance which time shows to be absurdly exaggerated; or vice versa. No event can be fairly judged without background and perspective.

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2 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said:

Can you find any quote of his where he calls himself a satanist? I have never seen one

 

I think that one is in his confessions

 

In those he breaks down religions in a very analytical way which demonstrates that he built his own religion from the ground up based on the component parts that he identified that a religion should have right down to the revelatory moment which he claimed occurred in a hotel room in egypt

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Just now, Macnamara said:

 

I think that one is in his confessions

 

In those he breaks down religions in a very analytical way which demonstrates that he built his own religion from the ground up based on the component parts that he identified that a religion should have right down to the revelatory moment which he claimed occurred in a hotel room in egypt

You think it is? what he does say is that he changed and sought to serve satan. He never labels himself as a satanist as far as I know. 

 

What you have to understand is that his idea of Satan was not the same as the churches. Satan represented to him the archetype of rebellion, a rebellion against all the bullshit of his period, which was hidden in a veil of christianity.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said:

You think it is? what he does say is that he changed and sought to serve satan. He never labels himself as a satanist as far as I know. 

 

don't get cute with me....he said he was serving satan and yes he was

 

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What you have to understand is that his idea of Satan was not the same as the churches. Satan represented to him the archetype of rebellion, a rebellion against all the bullshit of his period, which was hidden in a veil of christianity.

 

He was trying to create hell on earth

 

Listen to this speech by mark passio at 2 hours and 53 minutes where mark, an ex priest of satanism, explains the four pillars of satanism including moral reletavism and social darwinnism and crowley was pushing both those agendas

 

'do as thou wilt' is a charge to create your own morality according to what is good for you

 

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19 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

don't get cute with me....he said he was serving satan and yes he was

 

 

He was trying to create hell on earth

 

Listen to this speech by mark passio at 2 hours and 53 minutes where mark, an ex priest of satanism, explains the four pillars of satanism including moral reletavism and social darwinnism and crowley was pushing both those agendas

 

'do as thou wilt' is a charge to create your own morality according to what is good for you

 

Well im sorry to say but you are wrong. If it was all about doing what you want then why bother with all the years of study and training?

 

Have you read the bible, how Satan sits with the sons of God in Job?  how God allows Satan to tempt Job? the satan of the church is a bogey man to scare you into compliance

 

 

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5 hours ago, MarpatV2 said:

Well im sorry to say but you are wrong.

 

you've completely sidestepped mark passios points

 

5 hours ago, MarpatV2 said:

If it was all about doing what you want then why bother with all the years of study and training?

 

to reframe your thinking

 

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15 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

you've completely sidestepped mark passios points

 

 

to reframe your thinking

 

So he has an opinion on Thelema. So what? does being an ex satanist somehow make him credible? you do realise satanism and Thelema are not the same? satan is not mentioned once in the Thelemic book of the law.

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1 hour ago, MarpatV2 said:

So he has an opinion on Thelema. So what? does being an ex satanist somehow make him credible? you do realise satanism and Thelema are not the same? satan is not mentioned once in the Thelemic book of the law.

 

you obviously didn't listen to mark as he didn't mention thelema at all

 

he simply explained what the four pillars of satanism are and i am pointing out to you that your prophet was pushing some of those satanic tenets

 

The truth doesn't care if you are upset. The truth just is. The test for each of us is whether or not we have the strength of character to approach the truth even as it burns away our delusions

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2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

you obviously didn't listen to mark as he didn't mention thelema at all

 

he simply explained what the four pillars of satanism are and i am pointing out to you that your prophet was pushing some of those satanic tenets

 

The truth doesn't care if you are upset. The truth just is. The test for each of us is whether or not we have the strength of character to approach the truth even as it burns away our delusions

Yeah, I didnt listen as I dont have any interest in satanism. The 4 pillars of thelema are life, light, love and liberty. If you have a problem with that then I dont care.

 

The people who bang on about the 'truth' are often those who dont really know it and have to push the version they want to be true.

 

Also, Crowley isnt my prophet. I never said at any point that he was.

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8 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said:

Yeah, I didnt listen as I dont have any interest in satanism. The 4 pillars of thelema are life, light, love and liberty. If you have a problem with that then I dont care.

 

what if those terms aren't being used to signify what the man or woman on the street would through common parlance interpret them to mean?

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57 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

what if those terms aren't being used to signify what the man or woman on the street would through common parlance interpret them to mean?

Aren't being used by who? they are the individuals rights under the law of thelema.

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1 minute ago, MarpatV2 said:

Aren't being used by who?

 

used by the man who wrote them....the guy we are discussing here

 

I'm questioning if all thelemites are correctly understanding what it is that they are signing upto

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5 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

used by the man who wrote them....the guy we are discussing here

 

I'm questioning if all thelemites are correctly understanding what it is that they are signing upto

They sign up to developing their true, unique, individual spiritual will.

 

Read Liber Oz o see wat Crowleys idea on liberty is. I cant see many people disagreeing with it.

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