rideforever Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 I saw an old Johnny Depp western yesterday, "Dead Man", they made a quote from a long poem by William Blake. Great movie, soundtrack by Neil Young. I am going to assemble 3 quotes, one from each of those in the title. Afterwards I will say the difference between these quotes and modern politics. Tao Te Ching The ten thousand things carry yin and embrace yang. They achieve harmony by combining these forces. Crowley Many have arisen, being wise They have said "Seek out the glittering Image in the place ever golden, and unite yourselves with It." Many have arisen, being fools. They have said, "Stoop down unto the darkly splendid world, and be wedded to that Blind Creature of the Slime." I who am beyond Wisdom and Folly, arise and say unto you: achieve both weddings! Unite yourselves with both! Beware, beware, I say, lest ye seek after the one and lose the other! My adepts stand upright; their head above the heavens, their feet below the hells. But since one is naturally attracted to the Angel, another to the Demon, let the first strengthen the lower link, the last attach more firmly to the higher.Thus shall equilibrium become perfect. William Blake : Auguries of Innocence To see a World in a Grain of Sand And a Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour A Robin Red breast in a Cage Puts all Heaven in a Rage A Dove house filld with Doves & Pigeons Shudders Hell thr' all its regions A dog starvd at his Masters Gate Predicts the ruin of the State A Horse misusd upon the Road Calls to Heaven for Human blood Each outcry of the hunted Hare A fibre from the Brain does tear A Skylark wounded in the wing A Cherubim does cease to sing The Game Cock clipd & armd for fight Does the Rising Sun affright Every Wolfs & Lions howl Raises from Hell a Human Soul The wild deer, wandring here & there Keeps the Human Soul from Care The Lamb misusd breeds Public Strife And yet forgives the Butchers knife The Bat that flits at close of Eve Has left the Brain that wont Believe The Owl that calls upon the Night Speaks the Unbelievers fright He who shall hurt the little Wren Shall never be belovd by Men He who the Ox to wrath has movd Shall never be by Woman lovd The wanton Boy that kills the Fly Shall feel the Spiders enmity He who torments the Chafers Sprite Weaves a Bower in endless Night The Catterpiller on the Leaf Repeats to thee thy Mothers grief Kill not the Moth nor Butterfly For the Last Judgment draweth nigh He who shall train the Horse to War Shall never pass the Polar Bar The Beggars Dog & Widows Cat Feed them & thou wilt grow fat The Gnat that sings his Summers Song Poison gets from Slanders tongue The poison of the Snake & Newt Is the sweat of Envys Foot The poison of the Honey Bee Is the Artists Jealousy The Princes Robes & Beggars Rags Are Toadstools on the Misers Bags A Truth thats told with bad intent Beats all the Lies you can invent It is right it should be so Man was made for Joy & Woe And when this we rightly know Thro the World we safely go Joy & Woe are woven fine A Clothing for the soul divine Under every grief & pine Runs a joy with silken twine The Babe is more than swadling Bands Throughout all these Human Lands Tools were made & Born were hands Every Farmer Understands Every Tear from Every Eye Becomes a Babe in Eternity This is caught by Females bright And returnd to its own delight The Bleat the Bark Bellow & Roar Are Waves that Beat on Heavens Shore The Babe that weeps the Rod beneath Writes Revenge in realms of Death The Beggars Rags fluttering in Air Does to Rags the Heavens tear The Soldier armd with Sword & Gun Palsied strikes the Summers Sun The poor Mans Farthing is worth more Than all the Gold on Africs Shore One Mite wrung from the Labrers hands Shall buy & sell the Misers Lands Or if protected from on high Does that whole Nation sell & buy He who mocks the Infants Faith Shall be mockd in Age & Death He who shall teach the Child to Doubt The rotting Grave shall neer get out He who respects the Infants faith Triumphs over Hell & Death The Childs Toys & the Old Mans Reasons Are the Fruits of the Two seasons The Questioner who sits so sly Shall never know how to Reply He who replies to words of Doubt Doth put the Light of Knowledge out The Strongest Poison ever known Came from Caesars Laurel Crown Nought can Deform the Human Race Like to the Armours iron brace When Gold & Gems adorn the Plow To peaceful Arts shall Envy Bow A Riddle or the Crickets Cry Is to Doubt a fit Reply The Emmets Inch & Eagles Mile Make Lame Philosophy to smile He who Doubts from what he sees Will neer Believe do what you Please If the Sun & Moon should Doubt Theyd immediately Go out To be in a Passion you Good may Do But no Good if a Passion is in you The Whore & Gambler by the State Licencd build that Nations Fate The Harlots cry from Street to Street Shall weave Old Englands winding Sheet The Winners Shout the Losers Curse Dance before dead Englands Hearse Every Night & every Morn Some to Misery are Born Every Morn and every Night Some are Born to sweet delight Some are Born to sweet delight Some are Born to Endless Night We are led to Believe a Lie When we see not Thro the Eye Which was Born in a Night to perish in a Night When the Soul Slept in Beams of Light God Appears & God is Light To those poor Souls who dwell in Night But does a Human Form Display To those who Dwell in Realms of day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideforever Posted January 9, 2021 Author Share Posted January 9, 2021 These people are interested in the high, as well as the low. They are interested in the sky, as well as the earth. They are interested in the outer, as well as the inner. And so they become wise in both directions, they have mountains and valleys. When you hear in politics "acceptance", accepting this or that .. accepting everyone. They don't know anyone. They don't care about anyone. Theirs are empty words, they care neither for high or low. They do not enter anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 (edited) William blake was a gnostic and was likely receiving his gnostic knowledge from some source Crowley in that quote above seems to be pushing a sabbatean ethos of pursuing holiness through sin. In kabbalistic terms his followers feet in the hells would be in the dark flip side of the tree of life. Crowley considered himself a spermo-gnostic and his gnostic MASS involved the consumption of semen I personally believe that crowleys 'secret chiefs' were in fact the rothschild cabal and some people perceive a link between the rothschilds and the hermetic order of the golden dawn in which crowley cut his occult teeth Edited January 9, 2021 by Macnamara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy1033 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 (edited) The british empire was built on an illusion. Once countries woke upto how small uk really was, countries drove uk out. They were only able to con the world with that illusion until, the natives woke up. The british empire only existed on an illusion of strength. Thats why ptb moved there power base to usa. The socalled illuminati are not as good as people are led to believe. Yep, they may be ok, but in reality a tramp on the street may of had just as much to them, then any in the uk illumined society. Uk power and strength is mostly just an illusion, and thats why the ptb moved there power base to usa last century, and the uk empire really fell away. The ptb would like you to believe they are so powerful, but in reality they are often missing things most poor people have that they do not. What ptb families have is drive, and alot of poor people miss this. The ptb families drive, is more important than there supposed skills in occult. The uk empire was mostly an illusion. Once natives in countries woke upto it, there illusion mostly fell apart. Edited January 9, 2021 by andy1033 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red pill taken Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Yeah think your a bit off the mark there andy, have you watched the spiders web? Know anything about the city of London? Vatican etc.. or if you wanna go right back the line of the king and the line of the priest... the illusion hasn't fallen apart its in full swing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideforever Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) @Macnamara I am not promoting Crowley, but some things he wrote were good. @andy1033 British power was not an illusion, it was based on hard work, incredible skill and industry, and a fertile mix of things. The shipbuilding and milling industries created hard work and highly skilled people, who took the King James Bible as a big spirit, and the empire was a new form of legal instrument that allowed for the first time privater personal wealth, which wasn't tribal. Britain was way ahead in that, and even today people use the British legal system. India was not conquered by Britain, it was under the rule of the Persians for 300 years ... and they pretty much gave it to Britain. India had been very poor for thousands of years, ruled by many dynasties. The Persians would make walls out of the severed heads of Hindus and wanted to spread their seed into India. Britain was very different to that, it was an economic administration not theft ... they simply stabilised the country and build the rail in order to facilitate trade, commodities for money. And many Indians got rich, and Britain is very much still appreciated. Most of the Indian rulers sent their kids to England to be educated ... why? Because it is the best on the planet, at least from a certain perspective. Slavery ... the abolishment of it occurred in England and today English NGOs rule the world in that way. It is a pioneering country, for better or worse. It is too easy to look at history convinced that everyone is and was an idiot except yourself. Why did Europeans take slaves to the W.Indies? Actually they bought them from black slavers who still trade today. Slavery is very much alive in African and the ME. The Euopeans should feel very proud they abolished it, at least officially. On the ships to the W.Indies the death rate was the same for the white sailors and the black slaves. The black slaves were "low caste" ... not all Africans were slaved, according to their societies ... what future would they have had in Africa? Today they own most of the W.Indies and are a big part of American society. Perhaps a better future than they would have had in Africa. Can you cope with that reality, or is it easier to imagine bambi? Slavery is a big word ... perhaps people just need labourers and force you to do it. Maybe you didn't have anything better to do anyway !!! We are all slaves in any case. Today a certain kind of parasite has inverted history ... and many things, they gain power from absolute lies. And so it goes. The stories we hear in the media ... you can be sure the truth is about 180 degrees opposite. Britain is small but it's power was sheer power. Happens from time to time. The thing the vermin of the Earth wish you to believe is that success is not earned. For the vermin it would be the worst thing in the world if you could earn success, it makes the vermin feel small and they have no interest in working hard. There is corruption everywhere ... countries have to survive. You can criticize anything you want ... that's okay to. But be under no illusions that only certain things can survive on this planet. This is not a peaceful place. Edited January 10, 2021 by rideforever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 hour ago, rideforever said: @Macnamara I am not promoting Crowley, but some things he wrote were good. judge a tree by its fruits don't just listen to what people say, watch what they do crowley was pursuing an agenda and i would strongly suggest that he was not an independent operator as he would himself have claimed but was in fact an agent provocateur of the 'illuminati' there to socially engineer society into something else in the new age. Thelemites might argue that he was asserting individual rights but the trend is not in that direction. The trend is towards top down control both in society and in the secret society network of which his organisations were a more visible outer fringe. That secret society network is what is driving the changes in society Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideforever Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 @Macnamara His life tells a particular story, that's no so hard to understand. But my only interest is that a few pieces of material he produced are very good, like Liber Tzaddi and a few essays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 23 hours ago, Macnamara said: judge a tree by its fruits don't just listen to what people say, watch what they do crowley was pursuing an agenda and i would strongly suggest that he was not an independent operator as he would himself have claimed but was in fact an agent provocateur of the 'illuminati' there to socially engineer society into something else in the new age. Thelemites might argue that he was asserting individual rights but the trend is not in that direction. The trend is towards top down control both in society and in the secret society network of which his organisations were a more visible outer fringe. That secret society network is what is driving the changes in society Yes, his agenda was to spread thelema. Thelema is actually anti control because it puts the emphasis on the individual to do their true will. Read Liber Oz to see what its about. Thelemites dont need to argue about it being about personal liberty because the book of the law clearly states it is exactly that. There are 4 virtues of thelema, love, light, life and liberty. Do you think these are bad? Crowley was controversial because he stood against many of the norms of the society he lived in. Look at how many people abuse Icke, saying he is a tool of the devil and a false prophet, etc. Crowley wasnt perfect and his sense of humour got him into trouble. He made mistakes but he was only human. So, are you judging the man by his fruits or by the things that are written about him to slander him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveh583 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 On 1/11/2021 at 12:28 PM, MarpatV2 said: Yes, his agenda was to spread thelema. Thelema is actually anti control because it puts the emphasis on the individual to do their true will. Read Liber Oz to see what its about. Thelemites dont need to argue about it being about personal liberty because the book of the law clearly states it is exactly that. There are 4 virtues of thelema, love, light, life and liberty. Do you think these are bad? Crowley was controversial because he stood against many of the norms of the society he lived in. Look at how many people abuse Icke, saying he is a tool of the devil and a false prophet, etc. Crowley wasnt perfect and his sense of humour got him into trouble. He made mistakes but he was only human. So, are you judging the man by his fruits or by the things that are written about him to slander him? I post this in a previous thread and think its applicable here never has there been more misinformation written about a single person in history that crowley. Basically he was the victim of the worlds first smear campaign by the media (who were offended by his open bisexuality and criticism of the church). The same media you lot still criticise for their treatment of icke. All of you who still believe such twaddle are the same as the sheep who dismiss icke instantly. Its not like there aren't credible biographies covering his (unbelievably action packed) life, or people who worked with him like israelie regardie who will give you a more practical perspective. He wasn't a satanist, he was a thelemite. He wouldn't have given any credence to satanism as this would lend credibility to christianity, something he'd loath to do. He certainly wasn't a "nice" guy, he was selfish, silly and had a ridiculous ego.....but he wasn't evil. Basically he was a trust fund brat, and that attitude spilled over into his work meaning he couldn't walk the path he preached. If you read his actual work it is surprisingly tame and more in the lines of hindu/daoist philosophy. Many people will misquote "do what that wilt" as if its hedonistic, when it actually means "find your divine purpose" IE find your true calling in life. They will also quote a single line about "sacrificing 150 children a year" which is a joke referencing masturbation because he was bound by the literacy laws of the age. if they bothered to read the rest of the chapter, he signs it off basically stating only a complete idiot would take this seriously. crowley was a impish raconteur, as was the popular writing influence of the age (Oscar wilde?) and didn't suffer fools gladly so was happy to encourage his ridiculous reputation. Here is his quotes on black magic : Black magic is not a myth. It is a totally unscientific and emotional form of magic, but it does get results — of an extremely temporary nature. The recoil upon those who practice it is terrific. It is like looking for an escape of gas with a lighted candle. As far as the search goes, there is little fear of failure! To practice black magic you have to violate every principle of science, decency, and intelligence. You must be obsessed with an insane idea of the importance of the petty object of your wretched and selfish desires. I have been accused of being a "black magician." No more foolish statement was ever made about me. I despise the thing to such an extent that I can hardly believe in the existence of people so debased and idiotic as to practice it. on the media : To read a newspaper is to refrain from reading something worth while. The natural laziness of the mind tempts one to eschew authors who demand a continuous effort of intelligence. The first discipline of education must therefore be to refuse resolutely to feed the mind with canned chatter. People tell me that they must read the papers so as to know what is going on. In the first place, they could hardly find a worse guide. Most of what is printed turns out to be false, sooner or later. Even when there is no deliberate deception, the account must, from the nature of the case, be presented without adequate reflection and must seem to possess an importance which time shows to be absurdly exaggerated; or vice versa. No event can be fairly judged without background and perspective. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 4 hours ago, steveh583 said: He wasn't a satanist, he was a thelemite. he himself said he was a satanist as for lending credence to christianity he says in his own book of the law (based in the judaic book of the law concept) that horus should pluck the eyes of jesus out, so right there in his central book he puts the destruction of christianity front and centre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 19 minutes ago, Macnamara said: he himself said he was a satanist as for lending credence to christianity he says in his own book of the law (based in the judaic book of the law concept) that horus should pluck the eyes of jesus out, so right there in his central book he puts the destruction of christianity front and centre Can you find any quote of his where he calls himself a satanist? I have never seen one And christianity has put the destruction of multitudes of cultures at is centre. What Crowley was doing is showing that things never stay still and hanging onto the past is just folly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 4 hours ago, steveh583 said: I post this in a previous thread and think its applicable here never has there been more misinformation written about a single person in history that crowley. Basically he was the victim of the worlds first smear campaign by the media (who were offended by his open bisexuality and criticism of the church). The same media you lot still criticise for their treatment of icke. All of you who still believe such twaddle are the same as the sheep who dismiss icke instantly. Its not like there aren't credible biographies covering his (unbelievably action packed) life, or people who worked with him like israelie regardie who will give you a more practical perspective. He wasn't a satanist, he was a thelemite. He wouldn't have given any credence to satanism as this would lend credibility to christianity, something he'd loath to do. He certainly wasn't a "nice" guy, he was selfish, silly and had a ridiculous ego.....but he wasn't evil. Basically he was a trust fund brat, and that attitude spilled over into his work meaning he couldn't walk the path he preached. If you read his actual work it is surprisingly tame and more in the lines of hindu/daoist philosophy. Many people will misquote "do what that wilt" as if its hedonistic, when it actually means "find your divine purpose" IE find your true calling in life. They will also quote a single line about "sacrificing 150 children a year" which is a joke referencing masturbation because he was bound by the literacy laws of the age. if they bothered to read the rest of the chapter, he signs it off basically stating only a complete idiot would take this seriously. crowley was a impish raconteur, as was the popular writing influence of the age (Oscar wilde?) and didn't suffer fools gladly so was happy to encourage his ridiculous reputation. Here is his quotes on black magic : Black magic is not a myth. It is a totally unscientific and emotional form of magic, but it does get results — of an extremely temporary nature. The recoil upon those who practice it is terrific. It is like looking for an escape of gas with a lighted candle. As far as the search goes, there is little fear of failure! To practice black magic you have to violate every principle of science, decency, and intelligence. You must be obsessed with an insane idea of the importance of the petty object of your wretched and selfish desires. I have been accused of being a "black magician." No more foolish statement was ever made about me. I despise the thing to such an extent that I can hardly believe in the existence of people so debased and idiotic as to practice it. on the media : To read a newspaper is to refrain from reading something worth while. The natural laziness of the mind tempts one to eschew authors who demand a continuous effort of intelligence. The first discipline of education must therefore be to refuse resolutely to feed the mind with canned chatter. People tell me that they must read the papers so as to know what is going on. In the first place, they could hardly find a worse guide. Most of what is printed turns out to be false, sooner or later. Even when there is no deliberate deception, the account must, from the nature of the case, be presented without adequate reflection and must seem to possess an importance which time shows to be absurdly exaggerated; or vice versa. No event can be fairly judged without background and perspective. Excellent post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said: Can you find any quote of his where he calls himself a satanist? I have never seen one I think that one is in his confessions In those he breaks down religions in a very analytical way which demonstrates that he built his own religion from the ground up based on the component parts that he identified that a religion should have right down to the revelatory moment which he claimed occurred in a hotel room in egypt Edited January 14, 2021 by Macnamara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, Macnamara said: I think that one is in his confessions In those he breaks down religions in a very analytical way which demonstrates that he built his own religion from the ground up based on the component parts that he identified that a religion should have right down to the revelatory moment which he claimed occurred in a hotel room in egypt You think it is? what he does say is that he changed and sought to serve satan. He never labels himself as a satanist as far as I know. What you have to understand is that his idea of Satan was not the same as the churches. Satan represented to him the archetype of rebellion, a rebellion against all the bullshit of his period, which was hidden in a veil of christianity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said: You think it is? what he does say is that he changed and sought to serve satan. He never labels himself as a satanist as far as I know. don't get cute with me....he said he was serving satan and yes he was Quote What you have to understand is that his idea of Satan was not the same as the churches. Satan represented to him the archetype of rebellion, a rebellion against all the bullshit of his period, which was hidden in a veil of christianity. He was trying to create hell on earth Listen to this speech by mark passio at 2 hours and 53 minutes where mark, an ex priest of satanism, explains the four pillars of satanism including moral reletavism and social darwinnism and crowley was pushing both those agendas 'do as thou wilt' is a charge to create your own morality according to what is good for you Edited January 14, 2021 by Macnamara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Macnamara said: don't get cute with me....he said he was serving satan and yes he was He was trying to create hell on earth Listen to this speech by mark passio at 2 hours and 53 minutes where mark, an ex priest of satanism, explains the four pillars of satanism including moral reletavism and social darwinnism and crowley was pushing both those agendas 'do as thou wilt' is a charge to create your own morality according to what is good for you Well im sorry to say but you are wrong. If it was all about doing what you want then why bother with all the years of study and training? Have you read the bible, how Satan sits with the sons of God in Job? how God allows Satan to tempt Job? the satan of the church is a bogey man to scare you into compliance Edited January 14, 2021 by MarpatV2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 5 hours ago, MarpatV2 said: Well im sorry to say but you are wrong. you've completely sidestepped mark passios points 5 hours ago, MarpatV2 said: If it was all about doing what you want then why bother with all the years of study and training? to reframe your thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 15 hours ago, Macnamara said: you've completely sidestepped mark passios points to reframe your thinking So he has an opinion on Thelema. So what? does being an ex satanist somehow make him credible? you do realise satanism and Thelema are not the same? satan is not mentioned once in the Thelemic book of the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, MarpatV2 said: So he has an opinion on Thelema. So what? does being an ex satanist somehow make him credible? you do realise satanism and Thelema are not the same? satan is not mentioned once in the Thelemic book of the law. you obviously didn't listen to mark as he didn't mention thelema at all he simply explained what the four pillars of satanism are and i am pointing out to you that your prophet was pushing some of those satanic tenets The truth doesn't care if you are upset. The truth just is. The test for each of us is whether or not we have the strength of character to approach the truth even as it burns away our delusions Edited January 15, 2021 by Macnamara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Macnamara said: you obviously didn't listen to mark as he didn't mention thelema at all he simply explained what the four pillars of satanism are and i am pointing out to you that your prophet was pushing some of those satanic tenets The truth doesn't care if you are upset. The truth just is. The test for each of us is whether or not we have the strength of character to approach the truth even as it burns away our delusions Yeah, I didnt listen as I dont have any interest in satanism. The 4 pillars of thelema are life, light, love and liberty. If you have a problem with that then I dont care. The people who bang on about the 'truth' are often those who dont really know it and have to push the version they want to be true. Also, Crowley isnt my prophet. I never said at any point that he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said: Yeah, I didnt listen as I dont have any interest in satanism. The 4 pillars of thelema are life, light, love and liberty. If you have a problem with that then I dont care. what if those terms aren't being used to signify what the man or woman on the street would through common parlance interpret them to mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 57 minutes ago, Macnamara said: what if those terms aren't being used to signify what the man or woman on the street would through common parlance interpret them to mean? Aren't being used by who? they are the individuals rights under the law of thelema. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, MarpatV2 said: Aren't being used by who? used by the man who wrote them....the guy we are discussing here I'm questioning if all thelemites are correctly understanding what it is that they are signing upto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Macnamara said: used by the man who wrote them....the guy we are discussing here I'm questioning if all thelemites are correctly understanding what it is that they are signing upto They sign up to developing their true, unique, individual spiritual will. Read Liber Oz o see wat Crowleys idea on liberty is. I cant see many people disagreeing with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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