David Icke & Jesus

[facere arbitrium]

Does anyone know why David went from believing he was Jesus to not believing in Jesus and Christianity or if there's anything to listen to where he describes that transition of thought in his experience?

I know some people find that stage in his life a little wacky or funny if they're viewing it superficially, but I reckon that's likely a really common experience for people going through spiritual development.

[facere arbitrium]

I interpret that as part of a process in dissolving the ego. A defense mechanism to re-enforce some sense of egoic identity. Seems like a natural response to relate oneself to that image whilst in a state of elevation. Works both ways too, like when a person relates themself to worthlessness in depression and when they look in a mirror they see something worthless in themself.

[Grumpy Grapes]

He didn't believe that he was Jesus nor was he a Christian, but in a confused, semi-hypnotised state he said things that were interpreted by the mainstream media to be so. He started to break free from his 'Turquoise period' in 1992 and wrote of that change in 1993 books: "Days of Decision" and his autobiography "In The Light of Experience". 

[facere arbitrium]

Thank you Grumpy Grapes, I'll start there.

[Wayfaring Stranger]

As a modern Christian (fit the Re:1 group) I have no love for false Christians and their insane false doctrines. By 'false' I mean the ones that can be shown to be in opposition to the very book they say is holy.  The 1611KJV is mocked by false Christians because of how accurate it is rather than it is a shoddy translation.

My personal POV is from a futurist/literalist perspective, you develop that from reading and understanding what you are reading. Practice is taking what (supposedly) educated men have to say about a set of text that were published 2,000 years ago and are still a complete mystery to those same 'experts'. An 'expert' that lies to his 'clients' is the only person that will never be able to change no matter the mountain of facts that point to him being in error.

The test for Gentiles is to read the 4 Gospels like Peter had a few Gentiles do in Acts:10 and answer 'Yes.' to the question about the doubting Thomas story being a rael event or not.  That's it, the rest of the text is about 'other things'. Ge:1-3 and Re:20-22 is a summation of the beginning and end of this earth and a bit about God as He is the one who authored the whole book. The rest of the text in the book is all related to the two bruises from Ge:3:15. That is the topic that should be talked about when 2 or 3 people interested in God should talk about.

The 'Vatican' and all other Christian related Institutions' were created to be the bank of the Gentiles that runs on the same foundation found in the OT. 'Gentiles' are 'brothers' rather than 'strangers' like we are today. Usury is applied to loans taken by 'Corporations' (strangers) or by individuals who have a yearly income that is higher than a banker takes home (when money is deemed to be an essential service rather than a 'for profit private business for a handful of men'. Other than Wall St turning to dust it would be a seamless transition.

To have the Christian Churches (the RCC in particular) deemed to be a 'revived Roman Empire' that is the only danger to Israel and her new friendship with a few OPEC nations in the area would end what Rabbis are already calling 'false Churches' to the point of being 'anti-semetic' (Tenak Talk vids at the moment) for the way they have altered the text.  The good news is the same Bible that is used against false Christians can be used against them as the NT has the timeline and sequence list that God did not give Daniel.

 

I prefer to watch that unfold without commenting on it for the most part, their old vids I saw as 'fair game' but it is their current shows that really push the envelope about how misguided Gentiles are and how smart Jews alone are. Maybe I'll sign off as 'Noah' if I comment on any more of their vids.

[Wayfaring Stranger]

16 hours ago, Grumpy Grapes said:

He didn't believe that he was Jesus nor was he a Christian, but in a confused, semi-hypnotised state he said things that were interpreted by the mainstream media to be so. He started to break free from his 'Turquoise period' in 1992 and wrote of that change in 1993 books: "Days of Decision" and his autobiography "In The Light of Experience". 

 I like the 'problem/reaction/solution' series the best. Lizards would be fallen angels, not sure that connection was ever made in a rational way.

If I was to make his path similar to some servant of God in the Bible it would be Neb. when God had him exile the sinful Jews from the land God promised them (under certain conditions) God put Daniel there to help with that 'servant' part but Da:4 shows he was a firm believer in God before he reached the age of 120.  David could be exposing liars of some sort, God hates all liars, especially the ones that lie about who He is and who He isn't.  Better to say ''I'm not convinced yet.' as the gathering process is part of his book.

[novymir]

I Am The(sinless and guiltless) Son of God. The Truth of All Reality Is That. Anything else is illusion=nothing and nowhere. Momentary mental masterbation.

 

They mock me. They doubt me. They bear false-witness against me. They Know not The Truth. They are blind, delusional, hallucinaters seeing things and believing things that are not.

They Will Awaken, they Will re-member. They Will be released from nightmares of nothingness. That Is their True Will, by God, there is no other. The experiment of something outside of Reality is expired already. The end of time and dreams of separation is inevitable.

 

"I Am what I Am, Thank GOD, some people don't understand, Help them God, Help them God...

Edited December 30, 2020 by novymir

[serpentine]

2 hours ago, novymir said:

I Am The(sinless and guiltless) Son of God. The Truth of All Reality Is That. Anything else is illusion=nothing and nowhere. Momentary mental masterbation.

 

They mock me. They doubt me. They bear false-witness against me. They Know not The Truth. They are blind, delusional, hallucinaters seeing things and believing things that are not.

They Will Awaken, they Will re-member. They Will be released from nightmares of nothingness. That Is their True Will, by God, there is no other. The experiment of something outside of Reality is expired already. The end of time and dreams of separation is inevitable.

 

"I Am what I Am, Thank GOD, some people don't understand, Help them God, Help them God...

 

Some who have such experiences go on to be gifted and highly intuitive people.

 

My intuition currently tells me you are not posting on this forum from anywhere in the UK.

 

[DougASmall]

On 12/29/2020 at 7:15 AM, facere arbitrium said:

Does anyone know why David went from believing he was Jesus to not believing in Jesus and Christianity or if there's anything to listen to where he describes that transition of thought in his experience?

Because he looks at religion and knows what that means. 

He also doesn't know who gave him the information. 

The Lord is not in a religion. 

Religion means to bind in bonds. 

The Lord is the truth which sets you free. 

EL Elyon gave him this knowledge. 

David Icke is the witness on the left 

He is Isaiah the one first comes to put things right. 

You are EXILES 

https://youtu.be/7v554QtlGKs

[DougASmall]

On 12/30/2020 at 2:28 AM, Wayfaring Stranger said:

As a modern Christian (fit the Re:1 group) I have no love for false Christians and their insane false doctrines. By 'false' I mean the ones that can be shown to be in opposition to the very book they say is holy.  The 1611KJV is mocked by false Christians because of how accurate it is rather than it is a shoddy translation.

All religion is satanism. 

Religion means to bind in bonds. 

The truth is peace. 

They are one in the same. 

Immanuel means with us is EL. 

And the Lord God made to Adam and to his wife vestures of honour from the skin of the serpent, which he had cast from him, upon the skin of their flesh, instead of that adornment which had been cast away; and He clothed them.

Job 22:21 Acquaint H5532 now thyself with him, and be at peace: H7999 thereby good H2896 shall come H935 unto thee.

H7999 Shawlam 

Hebrew: שׁלם

Transliteration: shâlam

Pronunciation: shaw-lam'

Definition: A primitive root; to be safe (in {mind} body or estate); figuratively to be (causatively make) completed; by implication to be friendly; by extension to reciprocate (in various applications): - make {amends} (make an) {end} {finish} {full} give {again} make {good} (re-) pay ({again}) (make) (to) (be at) peace ({-able}) that is {perfect} {perform} (make) prosper ({-ous}) {recompense} {render} {requite} make {restitution} {restore} {reward} X surely.

 

[facere arbitrium]

Thank you all

[Macnamara]

On 12/28/2020 at 6:15 PM, facere arbitrium said:

Does anyone know why David went from believing he was Jesus to not believing in Jesus and Christianity

 

i don't think he ever said he was jesus....

 

I think he was saying that he had had a spiritual awakening

 

Jesus wasn't called 'christ'. Christ was a titled conferred to him to show that he had been born into spiritual life

[MarpatV2]

On 12/28/2020 at 9:08 PM, Grumpy Grapes said:

He didn't believe that he was Jesus nor was he a Christian, but in a confused, semi-hypnotised state he said things that were interpreted by the mainstream media to be so. He started to break free from his 'Turquoise period' in 1992 and wrote of that change in 1993 books: "Days of Decision" and his autobiography "In The Light of Experience". 

It seems that Dave was a christian of some sort, but not in the mainstream kind. David has said he is a channel for the christ spirit too.

 

Its also known that he was a follower of Alice Bailey and the ascended masters at some point. A lot of his early beliefs were basically the same as most new agers.

[78ast78dgyad]

2 hours ago, MarpatV2 said:

It seems that Dave was a christian of some sort, but not in the mainstream kind. David has said he is a channel for the christ spirit too.

 

Its also known that he was a follower of Alice Bailey and the ascended masters at some point. A lot of his early beliefs were basically the same as most new agers.

 

David Icke shares his consciousness with the author Philip K Dick.

 

 

[Diesel]

I just rewatched the infamous Wogan interview before commenting. David talks about the state of the world at that time, a world enslaved for 12000 years by Lucifer. He talks much about Jesus and makes predictions of earthquakes and tsunamis that he claims will start that year (1991). He also claims Saddam Hussein was dead at that time. He answers that he does believe he is the son of god and wears turquoise as the colour of love and the spirit of the godhead. He also says thoughts are projected telepathically.

 

Much of what David said about the world rings true today and there were some major disasters in the following years. Saddam Hussein was eventually executed as well. As for Jesus, David has moved away from Jesus in recent years reflecting more on spirituality. Whatever David went through in his awakening led him initially to god and Jesus. Over the years that connection appears to have been lost.

 

 

[Wayfaring Stranger]

As I was mentioning earlier the giants in the OT should have eyes that looked like their fathers, the fallen angels.  The global system they had in place was similar to what the money-changers were before 70AD. They would have escaped with all the gold BTW.   It takes more from the poor than it does the rich in it's basic form, it is far from being dead and gone.

 

 

[MarpatV2]

On 1/11/2021 at 12:21 AM, Diesel said:

I just rewatched the infamous Wogan interview before commenting. David talks about the state of the world at that time, a world enslaved for 12000 years by Lucifer. He talks much about Jesus and makes predictions of earthquakes and tsunamis that he claims will start that year (1991). He also claims Saddam Hussein was dead at that time. He answers that he does believe he is the son of god and wears turquoise as the colour of love and the spirit of the godhead. He also says thoughts are projected telepathically.

 

Much of what David said about the world rings true today and there were some major disasters in the following years. Saddam Hussein was eventually executed as well. As for Jesus, David has moved away from Jesus in recent years reflecting more on spirituality. Whatever David went through in his awakening led him initially to god and Jesus. Over the years that connection appears to have been lost.

 

 

I thought David said he is a channel for the christ spirit? 

[Diesel]

53 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said:

I thought David said he is a channel for the christ spirit? 

Terry Wogan: The press claim that you claim to be the son of god

David Icke: Umhum

Terry Wogan: Is that true

David Icke: Yes, you see the thing is that, its quite funny really you know, 2000 years ago had a guy called Jesus sat here and said these same things you would still be laughing...

 

 

[Grumpy Grapes]

4 hours ago, Diesel said:

Terry Wogan: The press claim that you claim to be the son of god

David Icke: Umhum

Terry Wogan: Is that true

David Icke: Yes, you see the thing is that, its quite funny really you know, 2000 years ago had a guy called Jesus sat here and said these same things you would still be laughing...

 

 

But what is David saying yes to? Yes, that the press were writing about him, or yes, that he's the son of god? 

[Diesel]

1 minute ago, Grumpy Grapes said:

But what is David saying yes to? Yes, that the press were writing about him, or yes, that he's the son of god? 

I see what your saying. The press at the time took it to mean that he was saying he was the son of god but looking at it again he does not necessarily mean that. I actually find most of what David says in this interview very true, about the world, about our thoughts.

[old-timer]

It's so many years ago but I don't remember him saying he was Jesus? I thought he said he was the son of god and when questioned by Wogan he continued "we are all children of god" I'm sure he said something to that effect.

I don't believe in God per se anyway, I believe God was actually an alien and the people of that time were so 'spaced out' by its power and technology that they worshipped it as a God.

Jesus, I don't know about but I do know one thing, David Icke has spent the better part of his life to this point trying to help humanity, if that isn't something a saviour would do I don know what is?

 

[Firebird]

Far more people have claimed that they are God themselves, or can become God. It's a common theme across the globe in religions. It's the ignorance of the public and the circumstances of exposure that David got singled out. Many people have such beliefs, David just happened to be on the screen. I've never thought much of it.

Edited April 1, 2021 by Firebird

[shabbirss]

David Icke is a "son" of the Creator, as much as we are all "sons" and "daughters" of the Creator. - symbolically

 

David Icke is also a "sun" of the Creator in terms of the amount of knowledge-energy that he has channeled and is currently channeling.

- bringing Light into the equation

nowhere in that interview does he claim to be "jesus" / the messiah though

[DougASmall]

On 12/30/2020 at 2:28 AM, Wayfaring Stranger said:

As a modern Christian (fit the Re:1 group) I have no love for false Christians and their insane false doctrines. By 'false' I mean the ones that can be shown to be in opposition to the very book they say is holy.  The 1611KJV is mocked by false Christians because of how accurate it is rather than it is a shoddy translation.

My personal POV is from a futurist/literalist perspective, you develop that from reading and understanding what you are reading. Practice is taking what (supposedly) educated men have to say about a set of text that were published 2,000 years ago and are still a complete mystery to those same 'experts'. An 'expert' that lies to his 'clients' is the only person that will never be able to change no matter the mountain of facts that point to him being in error.

The test for Gentiles is to read the 4 Gospels like Peter had a few Gentiles do in Acts:10 and answer 'Yes.' to the question about the doubting Thomas story being a rael event or not.  That's it, the rest of the text is about 'other things'. Ge:1-3 and Re:20-22 is a summation of the beginning and end of this earth and a bit about God as He is the one who authored the whole book. The rest of the text in the book is all related to the two bruises from Ge:3:15. That is the topic that should be talked about when 2 or 3 people interested in God should talk about.

The 'Vatican' and all other Christian related Institutions' were created to be the bank of the Gentiles that runs on the same foundation found in the OT. 'Gentiles' are 'brothers' rather than 'strangers' like we are today. Usury is applied to loans taken by 'Corporations' (strangers) or by individuals who have a yearly income that is higher than a banker takes home (when money is deemed to be an essential service rather than a 'for profit private business for a handful of men'. Other than Wall St turning to dust it would be a seamless transition.

To have the Christian Churches (the RCC in particular) deemed to be a 'revived Roman Empire' that is the only danger to Israel and her new friendship with a few OPEC nations in the area would end what Rabbis are already calling 'false Churches' to the point of being 'anti-semetic' (Tenak Talk vids at the moment) for the way they have altered the text.  The good news is the same Bible that is used against false Christians can be used against them as the NT has the timeline and sequence list that God did not give Daniel.

 

I prefer to watch that unfold without commenting on it for the most part, their old vids I saw as 'fair game' but it is their current shows that really push the envelope about how misguided Gentiles are and how smart Jews alone are. Maybe I'll sign off as 'Noah' if I comment on any more of their vids.

What are you going on about..

All religion is satanism. That includes the "so called Christian ones" 

 

Religion means to bind in bonds.

The truth is to set you free. 

 

Truth and religion are diametrically opposed. 

 

Christ is not in religion. 

 

Watch the unrolled scroll 

The you are EXILES video. 

https://youtu.be/7v554QtlGKs

[DougASmall]

On 4/2/2021 at 5:01 AM, shabbirss said:

David Icke is a "son" of the Creator, as much as we are all "sons" and "daughters" of the Creator. - symbolically

 

David Icke is also a "sun" of the Creator in terms of the amount of knowledge-energy that he has channeled and is currently channeling.

- bringing Light into the equation

nowhere in that interview does he claim to be "jesus" / the messiah though

Sun God is Ra (Apollyon Satan) 

 

Jesus is EL Elyon. The source of all consciousness. 

 

David Icke is the witness on the left hand. 

David Icke is Elias (Elijah) 

Matthew 17:11 And G1161 Jesus G2424 answered G611 and said G2036 unto them, G846 Elias G2243 truly G3303 shall first G4412 come, G2064 and G2532 restore G600 all things. G3956