UK Census - 21 March 2021

[callmenuts]

14 hours ago, CommonSense101 said:

Legal relevance of 'census 2021' being in lowercase - none.

 

Contract made by filling it in - none.

 

Deadline for filling in the Census - 21st March 2021. You can get fined after that but it looks like they are trying to avoid that with the door knockers, getting people to complete.

 

What isn't mentioned is that completing it online is cheaper than paper. But not everyone can do it online.

 

Who gets to see the details collected. Nobody outside the Census, that's the law. Nobody. Nada. Zilch. Zippo. Until 2121 when it will be published.

 

I appreciate most folks here may disagree with me but I'm the sort of bod that likes facts. You can't fix cars without them! So I checked.

 

 

 

Hahaha 

 

[callmenuts]

14 hours ago, CommonSense101 said:

Legal relevance of 'census 2021' being in lowercase - none.

 

Contract made by filling it in - none.

 

Deadline for filling in the Census - 21st March 2021. You can get fined after that but it looks like they are trying to avoid that with the door knockers, getting people to complete.

 

What isn't mentioned is that completing it online is cheaper than paper. But not everyone can do it online.

 

Who gets to see the details collected. Nobody outside the Census, that's the law. Nobody. Nada. Zilch. Zippo. Until 2121 when it will be published.

 

I appreciate most folks here may disagree with me but I'm the sort of bod that likes facts. You can't fix cars without them! So I checked.

 

 

 

"but I'm the sort of bod that likes facts"...

 

Okay

 

"Contract made by filling it in - none."

 

False. Whether filling out the census online (e-signature) or in paper (signature) you are creating a legally binding document. You are signifying your knowledge, approval, acceptance and obligation. In fact anything you sign can be used as a legal document.

 

 "Who gets to see the details collected. Nobody outside the Census, that's the law. Nobody. Nada. Zilch. Zippo. Until 2121 when it will be published"

 

Again, total garbage. Nobody 'outside the census' is an extremely naive and limited summary of fact. 

https://census.gov.uk/privacy-and-data-protection

 

Quote

 

"Who can access the information?

During the census, we’ll employ third-party providers to help us with parts of the operation. These third parties work under our instruction...

 

Our supplier, Serco Limited, will run the contact centre for the public...

 

We may make data available to accredited researchers"

 

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/whatwedo/statistics/requestingstatistics/approvedresearcherscheme#becoming-an-accredited-researcher-under-the-digital-economy-act-2017

 

Accessing secure research data as an accredited researcher

 

 

 

You will note that the list of 'accredited researchers' includes, amongst many, none other than NHS TRACK AND TRACE.

 

 

"Nobody outside census".... It's 3:30am, I cannot sleep but man you gave me a good laugh. "Facts", you don't know what you are talking about.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jul/03/serco-fined-229m-over-electronic-tagging-scandal

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/20/serco-accidentally-shares-contact-tracers-email-addresses-covid-19

 

https://www.civilserviceworld.com/news/article/serco-and-other-government-contractors-given-advice-on-honours-nominations

 

 

 

[DJay]

I think Anise is right to be distrusting and pointing out the contradictions. I note the job adverts for census takers has some contracts that run up to July 2020, meaning people can expect to be harassed until then. Yet, there does not seem to be a clear deadline to when they will stop asking for it. Also, yes if you willingly supply false information calling yourself Mickey Mouse, then you can become liable to breaking 'the law' which implies it is a binding document. Either way, it smells of poo just like everything else from govn'mt. 

[White_Raven]

Last two weeks I noticed througt the window two yellow coated garbage suspects at my door last Saturday and yesterday on Friday about 7p.m..

On first letter was "required by law" and now on left print it has changed to a "criminal offence" IF i do not complete a census. So i got a question,

 Am I not being harrassed?

Edited April 17, 2021 by White_Raven

[DJay]

Exactly. It is harassment. At most, once they get past 3 visits to a household, that should be it otherwise it becomes a kind of stalking. And really only once is more than enough. 

[Mr Chinnery]

On 4/15/2021 at 3:40 AM, callmenuts said:

 

 

"but I'm the sort of bod that likes facts"...

 

 

 

CommonSense101 has only posted in this thread and only about the census.

 

Looks like a paid government shill. Joined the day after the deadline.

[AdvaitaV]

On 4/15/2021 at 3:40 AM, callmenuts said:

 

 

"but I'm the sort of bod that likes facts"...

 

Okay

 

"Contract made by filling it in - none."

 

False. Whether filling out the census online (e-signature) or in paper (signature) you are creating a legally binding document. You are signifying your knowledge, approval, acceptance and obligation. In fact anything you sign can be used as a legal document.

 

 "Who gets to see the details collected. Nobody outside the Census, that's the law. Nobody. Nada. Zilch. Zippo. Until 2121 when it will be published"

 

Again, total garbage. Nobody 'outside the census' is an extremely naive and limited summary of fact. 

https://census.gov.uk/privacy-and-data-protection

 

 

 

You will note that the list of 'accredited researchers' includes, amongst many, none other than NHS TRACK AND TRACE.

 

 

"Nobody outside census".... It's 3:30am, I cannot sleep but man you gave me a good laugh. "Facts", you don't know what you are talking about.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jul/03/serco-fined-229m-over-electronic-tagging-scandal

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/20/serco-accidentally-shares-contact-tracers-email-addresses-covid-19

 

https://www.civilserviceworld.com/news/article/serco-and-other-government-contractors-given-advice-on-honours-nominations

 

 

 

Nice riposte to Sheepy the Shill ;-)

[Itsa]

I've had a goon at the door on 6 separate occasions now.

A vaguely threatening leaflet through the door every time and 4 online key codes sent through the post.

 

 

[Anise]

On 4/16/2021 at 8:21 AM, DJay said:

Also, yes if you willingly supply false information calling yourself Mickey Mouse, then you can become liable to breaking 'the law' which implies it is a binding document. Either way, it smells of poo just like everything else from govn'mt. 

This is a really curious point. So am I correct to think that actually sending something in with false or missed information could be more problematic because the very act of doing so has created a document? So for example, if someone returned it unsigned with the house number and postcode on squared brackets and simply filled in as "the householder," would they be deemed as "breaking the law" because in doing so, they would perceive it as the individual understanding the dictate that it "has to be filled in" and apparently deliberately perverting it- even without a name?

 

[anonymous228]

On 4/21/2021 at 8:29 AM, Itsa said:

I've had a goon at the door on 6 separate occasions now.

A vaguely threatening leaflet through the door every time and 4 online key codes sent through the post.

 

And I was thinking I might be in the lead. I've only had four visits. A total of five letters and four leaflets, now in a little pile near the front door. The next visitor might be able to see them all through the frosted glass.

 

Interestingly it's been a different person each time. I'm curious how they're assigning these calls and when they plan to throw the towel in.

 

On a side note, I recommend everyone register their birth certificate details with the common law court if you haven't already done so and obtain ownership of your legal fiction name too. www.commonlawcourt.com

[Voyager1]

On 4/14/2021 at 12:13 PM, CommonSense101 said:

Legal relevance of 'census 2021' being in lowercase - none.

 

Contract made by filling it in - none.

 

Deadline for filling in the Census - 21st March 2021. You can get fined after that but it looks like they are trying to avoid that with the door knockers, getting people to complete.

 

What isn't mentioned is that completing it online is cheaper than paper. But not everyone can do it online.

 

Who gets to see the details collected. Nobody outside the Census, that's the law. Nobody. Nada. Zilch. Zippo. Until 2121 when it will be published.

 

I appreciate most folks here may disagree with me but I'm the sort of bod that likes facts. You can't fix cars without them! So I checked.

 

Re: "Deadline for filling in the Census - 21st March 2021. You can get fined after that but it looks like they are trying to avoid that with the door knockers, getting people to complete."

 

You CANNOT GET FINED, as the form says it is to completed as soon as possible after the March date, THERE IS NO EXPIRY DATE FOR COMPLETION, that's a fact - look at the form - So, I'm completing mine on a rainy Sunday in 2027!

 

Also, the 'Law' statement threatening a fine is not legal statement and is not found in statute law - e.g. there is no legal requirement to complete a census of any kind. It is a perception of penalty (fearmongering again!) if you do not complete the form.

 

It is worth pointing out that the 2021 Census Form (& previous census forms) have the Crown motif displayed on them. This is an illegal and fraudulent use of the Queens Arms as the Census is not a crown commissioned document.

 

Another false perception being perpetrated to fool people into a fear of not completing it!

 

So, to round up 'CommonSense101', if you do trade in facts and attempt to belittled others well founded fears, then check out your facts first... the 'Fine' is the best example from what you have previously contributed.

 

Have a good day and read around a bit - take care.

 

 

[Voyager1]

On 4/22/2021 at 8:19 PM, anonymous228 said:

 

And I was thinking I might be in the lead. I've only had four visits. A total of five letters and four leaflets, now in a little pile near the front door. The next visitor might be able to see them all through the frosted glass.

 

Interestingly it's been a different person each time. I'm curious how they're assigning these calls and when they plan to throw the towel in.

 

On a side note, I recommend everyone register their birth certificate details with the common law court if you haven't already done so and obtain ownership of your legal fiction name too. www.commonlawcourt.com

Excellent points, completely agree. Especially the Common Law registration. If people do complete the Census Form, then they are entering into a contract with the State/Government as you've effectively consented to engage and share your requested information with them, again a Statute contract only.

 

People should have a think first. I wouldn't mind so much if it were just confirming a name and occupants, but so many of the questions are completely irrelevant and personal to 'planning local services' as they say.

 

Plus, they can actually get and already have access to many of these questions via your Council Tax, Electoral Register and National Insurance records, so why is so much effort being put into this! It's all a bit odd I think and especially at a time of supposed emergency in our country!

 

Strange they can be so 'efficient' with this, but not with Covid Statistics being flawed and thousands not get cancer treatments etc., etc.

 

Take care yourself.

[Voyager1]

On 4/18/2021 at 9:31 PM, Mr Chinnery said:

 

CommonSense101 has only posted in this thread and only about the census.

 

Looks like a paid government shill. Joined the day after the deadline.

Spot on!

 

Exactly what I thought!

 

I'm now assuming they'll hack the website and trace us all back via our provided details to sign up... probably an offence on their behalf, but it seems the authorities don't respect their own laws... of course a 'law' might not be a 'legality'... that's another story! :-)

[Voyager1]

On 4/22/2021 at 7:08 AM, Anise said:

This is a really curious point. So am I correct to think that actually sending something in with false or missed information could be more problematic because the very act of doing so has created a document? So for example, if someone returned it unsigned with the house number and postcode on squared brackets and simply filled in as "the householder," would they be deemed as "breaking the law" because in doing so, they would perceive it as the individual understanding the dictate that it "has to be filled in" and apparently deliberately perverting it- even without a name?

 

You're right I think Anise. Don't complete it with false information as you've then entered into a 'contract' with 'them'. Just continue to note that there is no expiry date, it says this in large bold letters on the front page "...as soon as possible after...", so really that's when it's possible for you to do so... that could be next Christmas couldn't it!?

 

You can argue you are not refusing to complete it... just not yet, you're not breaking a law or contravening anything as you've said you'll complete it, when it is convenient for you to do so. In fact I don't understand why there isn't a completion date... it would have been easier for 'them'!?

 

SO THERE MUST BE SOME REASON WHY THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT, ANY SOLICITORS ON HERE WHO CAN ANSWER THAT? Would be really interesting to know that 'they' don't seem to be able to use 'the law' to have an expiry date for completion.

 

DOES THIS ALSO IMPLY that you cannot be forced or tricked into completing it with the threat of a SUPPOSED FINE? Can anyone help with this perspective?

 

Take care Anise.

[Kizzy]

Will people's information be accessible if they are registered to vote?

[DJay]

On 4/22/2021 at 7:08 AM, Anise said:

This is a really curious point. So am I correct to think that actually sending something in with false or missed information could be more problematic because the very act of doing so has created a document? So for example, if someone returned it unsigned with the house number and postcode on squared brackets and simply filled in as "the householder," would they be deemed as "breaking the law" because in doing so, they would perceive it as the individual understanding the dictate that it "has to be filled in" and apparently deliberately perverting it- even without a name?

 

Don't know. All speculation. Officially possible yes, but in reality probably no, as they are not going to bring a case unless they have pretty strong evidence, which will require the 'householder' being really blatantly false ie calling yourself Mickey Mouse. I looked at last census 10 years ago. I think about a million householders didn't complete one and in that less than 100 cases taken to court making it a pretty insignificant number statistically. 

[Anise]

Well so far, no more visits, just another standard letter to "The Householder" asking you to complete and submit it "as soon as possible." So again, this issue that there is no stated deadline really does call a lot into question.

 

I have perused it carefully and I also find it really odd that the declaration and signature is on the front. Generally speaking, they are usually at the end of a form. It seems to me that what we actually fill out is more or less irrelevant and I am thinking that what is important to them is collecting the QR code, number and your signature together for AI with the ONS connection to Leidos Innovations and Lockheed military interests.

 

Also interestingly, if you look at the legal basis to process the data, it states, aside from the decoy blurb about public interests, it states "Processing is necessary for compliance with a legal obligation to which the controller is subject." That is, the ONS as data controller. Then it says that "Processing is necessary for the performance of a task carried out in the public interest or in the exercise of official authority vested in the controller." So I am wondering if this census procedure in part is also necessary to fulfill some legal situation under maritime law- that is, in addition to coupling your signature, address and QR code to the newest AI systems and quantum computers. I know a census is being brought out in Canada so is this happening worldwide?

 

Some great thoughts and information on this forum and good to know others have questions too.

[Anise]

So, just received a warning that I must submit it by Monday 24th May to avoid legal proceedings after which it is passed onto a legal team with a possible prosecution and a £1000 fine if verdict is guilty.

 

But still addressed to "The Householder," so how does that work? Can they really prosecute and fine on this basis?

[Edgecrusher]

2 hours ago, Anise said:

So, just received a warning that I must submit it by Monday 24th May to avoid legal proceedings after which it is passed onto a legal team with a possible prosecution and a £1000 fine if verdict is guilty.

 

But still addressed to "The Householder," so how does that work? Can they really prosecute and fine on this basis?

We have had the same today too. Interested to see any replies. As you say – "householder".

Just seems like gaslighting to me. After losing 20k this year, I don't want to give them anything.

[callmenuts]

I had around 8 visits, 3 separate muppets. 

 

Muppet 1

 

 

Muppet 2 

 

Muppet 3 

 

Never answered the door to any of them. 

 

But here is the thing with the latest.

 

 

"Census non compliance operation"

 

 

 

 

And a couple of Freedom of Information requestions that are very interesting about how they plan to proceed:

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/noncompliancewiththe2021census

 

And

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/censusenforcementprocess

 

 

[callmenuts]

 

 

A witness statement and interview under caution for a person with an encrypted name that is unknown to the 'compliance officer'

 

This is the key. Do not talk to these fools, disclose nothing, no contact, no contract, end of.

[Anti Facts Sir]

Charming.

[annie bee]

I signed up here today after following this thread since just after census day. My experience seems off the scale in terms of numbers visits. But I wonder if it is because I am always home literally 24/7(I'm disabled) so I notice every visit. Whereas the rest of you have normal lives so won't be home for every visit.

 

 Starting about a week to two weeks after census day I got daily visits.

There have been maybe four weeks in that time interspersed where they missed a couple of days per week.

And for a few weeks it was occasionally  twice a day.

 

I live in a tower block & I NEVER open the door to them. And as they cannot access the building to give me their bumpf unless I answer & buzz them in I have received only a couple of reminders sent by RM. I imagine there is a pile of hand delivered letters in the foyer downstairs if there is a letterbox on that door (can't remember).

 

I NEVER do the census & I prepared in advance, my tactic is to hide! I got food/supplies loo roll etc  in for me & the cat well in advance knowing I'd have to hide from them till July (their compliance jobs run until then). The same as last time in 2011, I have all my curtains closed & don't put on lights.

 

I never get visitors normally & I do not open the door unless it is prearranged say a doctor, or delivery, or the person who takes my rubbish. I'm not opening the door to them or answering the intercom under any circumstances. I'm not on the electoral roll (never will) but I pay council tax so I suppose they know I'm here from that.

 

 - can't wait till this is all over. Roll on July! - Glad I'm not the only person resisting - this thread helps

Edited May 14, 2021 by annie bee

[Mr Chinnery]

13 hours ago, callmenuts said:

 

And a couple of Freedom of Information requestions that are very interesting about how they plan to proceed:

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/noncompliancewiththe2021census

 

And

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/censusenforcementprocess

 

 

 

 

From the second link:

 

 

The use of s.35(1)(a) is subject to consideration of the public interest test. Arguments in favour of disclosure are accountability and transparency. Arguments in favour of withholding the information is maintaining a safe space for government officials to devise strategies away from external scrutiny and consider all policy options in private. The census is a once in a decade opportunity to measure the population and use findings to inform public policy. We are committed to being as open and transparent as possible regarding our decisions on the census; however, we would not do so if it were to cause detriment to the process. To release information regarding our enforcement procedures before the formulation of the strategy has been complete, or even signed off, would undermine the policy process and potentially undermine the undertaking of the census itself; neither of which would be in the public interest.

 

 

So. in other words. If the public knew what this was they would realise the fine is nothing more than a threat a bully would make and they don't have to complete it.

 

Sound similar to the TVL form the Capita goons use. You have to incriminate yourself. So same method should be used.

 

No contact, do not speak to them, do not open the door to them. 

 

 

 

[Anise]

Thankyou for this great information callmenuts and Mr Chinnery. Callmenuts, I love the muppet mugshots- what a giggle

 

Annie Bee, I absolutely empathise with you. Being alone (or maybe not with a cat, lol!) can feel harsh and I think you are very wise in your strategy. No contact, no contract!

 

I do not purport to know anything about legalities so please don't quote me on anything; I am just trying to join dots. But as far as I can see, if they address the form to "the householder" and the warning is to "the householder," then unless you actually give your name to them, I cannot see how they can enforce the process.

 

Also, with allusion to their scare tactics already highlighted earlier on this thread of using the crown logo fraudulently, I was horrified to discover that parliament appears to have deposed the queen of sovereignty. This explains why she wasn't wearing the imperial crown at the annual opening of parliament in October 2019. The following article explains what's been done well:

 

https://www.thebernician.net/parliament-appears-to-have-deposed-qeii-of-sovereignty/

 

So Britain has no reigning monarch and no legitimate parliament, which means that what has been done by the so-called "government" is criminal. People need to know this! 

 

I have it on good authority that Canada is now rolling out their census whilst simultaneously, having more draconian covid measures. One difference is that they have a deadline stated, whereas we didn't, so it would be interesting to understand why there is a difference on this point of their practice. So obviously, this census is a NWO dictatorship protocol and if the UK and Canada is anything to go by, it appears that the pattern is the same- doing the census during lockdowns!

 

Ah well, I look forward to seeing more of the muppet show here by those who have the means and the technology!