Woke madness

[Macnamara]

Just now, Firebird said:

I never implied the lower sperm count was a figment of your imagination. I responded to the rise in trangenderism, which could be related to more people getting out of the closet, and that rise could still stay within that 1% of the population.

 

Dunno about lower sperm count. Do they compare the same age groups over the course of the decades? Men were fathers earlier in life 50 years ago than they are now. Because that also impacts sperm.

 

Its ALL the things i have mentioned and more besides. They are ALL on the increase so clearly people are being exposed to environmental factors that are changing them

 

nice masonic username and avatar by the way

[Firebird]

1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

 

Its ALL the things i have mentioned and more besides. They are ALL on the increase so clearly people are being exposed to environmental factors that are changing them

 

nice masonic username and avatar by the way

 

I see you're angry again. That's not nice. I prefer to have a conversation about the topic because it's interesting.

I think we can say a lot more about it once LGBT becomes bigger than 2% of the population.

We need data that is meaningful, not just people coming out of the closet whilst total % remains the same..

Edited May 19, 2021 by Firebird

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, Firebird said:

I see you're angry again. That's not nice. I prefer to have a conversation about the topic because it's interesting.

I think we can say a lot more about it once LGBT becomes bigger than 2% of the population.

 

i see you have chosen a masonic username and avatar and are trying to deny the clear changes occuring in society

 

very strange behaviour

[Firebird]

1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

 

i see you have chosen a masonic username and avatar and are trying to deny the clear changes occuring in society

 

very strange behaviour

 

I've had the name and the avatar since the start, but only now (after you found me criticizing Islam and lack of critique of Muslims in the media) it became an issue to you. Interesting. You have now created a narrative around it that fits your agenda to target me, instead of focussing on the point I made about % of LGBT in society. Cool bro.

 

Careful when you see a bird now, or a fire. There might be Masons around the corner and ringing the door!!!!!

 

 

[EnigmaticWorld]

 

https://archive.is/0OibN

Edited May 19, 2021 by EnigmaticWorld

[Macnamara]

5 minutes ago, Firebird said:

 

I've had the name and the avatar since the start, but only now (after you found me criticizing Islam and lack of critique of Muslims in the media) it became an issue to you. Interesting. You have now created a narrative around it that fits your agenda to target me, instead of focussing on the point I made about % of LGBT in society. Cool bro.

 

Careful when you see a bird now, or a fire. There might be Masons around the corner and ringing the door!!!!!

 

no what is most suspicious to me is how you keep trying to narrow this down to LGBT when i have repeatedly shown you that there are widespread problems in society including crashing sperm counts, upticks in genital deformities, girls hitting puberty earlier and a massive increase in autism so that now 1 in 50 kids in the UK has autism

 

None of these examples i have spoken about have anything to do with LGBT and yet you keep ignoring it all. like i say that is strange behaviour

[Firebird]

These are defining times. If too few white people resist people like Lori Lightfoot than it's game over, I believe. There seem to be enough ''working class'' whites being against this anti-white racism. The real battle as I see it is among the upper class. More resistance needs to come from those places.

 

A shame that Trump lost the presidency. He could've halted a lot of woke stuff. The plandemic suits the woke racists.

[Firebird]

1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

 

no what is most suspicious to me is how you keep trying to narrow this down to LGBT when i have repeatedly shown you that there are widespread problems in society including crashing sperm counts, upticks in genital deformities, girls hitting puberty earlier and a massive increase in autism so that now 1 in 50 kids in the UK has autism

 

None of these examples i have spoken about have anything to do with LGBT and yet you keep ignoring it all. like i say that is strange behaviour

 

I haven't really looked into those other issues, which is why I didn't respond to them with any detail. I talked about the % of LGBT and you responded to me, bringing up the sperm count story, and then you find me ''suspicious'' for knowing little about that. That's lame man, how you respond to me, change the discussion and then attempt to create an artificial trap.

 

I repeat, I know little about the sperm count story and only asked you a question if they compared the same age groups of men over the decades.

 

Edited May 19, 2021 by Firebird

[Macnamara]

2 minutes ago, Firebird said:

I haven't really looked into those other issues, which is why I didn't respond to them. I talked about the % of LGBT and you responded to me, bringing up the sperm count story, and then you find me ''suspicious'' for knowing little about that. That's lame man, how you respond to me, change the discussion and then attempt to create an artificial trap.

 

I repeat, I know little about the sperm count story and only asked you a question if they compared the same age groups of men over the decades.

 

i didn't just talk about sperm crashing i talked about there being more genital deformities, i spoke about there being more auto immune disorders, i spoke about there being more autism, i spoke about girls hitting puberty earlier and i spoke about there being a drastic uptick in gender identity issues

 

so are you going to admit that there are physical changes happening in society or are you going to continue to be shifty?

Edited May 19, 2021 by Macnamara

[Firebird]

1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

 

i didn't just talk about sperm crashing i talked about there being more genital deformities, i spoke about there being more auto immune disorders, i spoke about there being more autism, i spoke about girls hitting puberty earlier

 

so are you going to admit that there are physical changes happening in society or are you going to continue to be shifty?

 

Much of that is new to me (such as deformities). I don't know how that relates to my point of % of lgbt being 1-2%. I heard about the lower sperm count before, and have wondered if that is because they compare different age groups over the decades.

 

I talked about % of lgbt, and you overwhelm me with sperm counts, deformities, autism etc. and when I don't respond to it (I happen to know little to nothing about it) you become ''suspicious''.

 

Why do you assume I know everything that you happen to know about this?

I talked about the %of lgbt and had no desire to bring up the other stuff because A) wasn't my focus, and 2) I don't know about it.

 

Are you done interrogating me, because this doesn't feel like a friendly, open conversation.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 19, 2021 by Firebird

[Macnamara]

Just now, Firebird said:

Much of that is new to me (deformities). I heard about the lower sperm count before, and have wondered if that is because they compare different age groups over the decades.

 

I talked about % of lgbt, and you overwhelm me with sperm counts, deformities, autism etc. and when I don't respond to it (I happen to know little to nothing about it) you become ''suspicious''.

 

Why do you assume I know everything that you happen to know about this?

I talked about the %of lgbt and had no desire to bring up the other stuff because A) wasn't my focus, and 2) I don't know about it.

 

Are you done interrogating me, because this doesn't feel like a friendly, open conversation.

 

as i thought....

[Macnamara]

so clearly any honest person looking to understand what is going on in our country is going to look at everything WITHIN CONTEXT which means taking into consideration ALL the things going on and when we do that we can clearly see that there are PHYSICAL changes happening to peoples bodies

 

When we ADMIT this to ourselves we are able to then begin the process of exploring WHAT might then be causing those changes

 

But until people admit it is happening there will be no widespread exploration of what is going on and countless children will continue to have their lives and sexual health sabotaged

 

So yeah i am just about fed up of the COWARDICE of some people in society

Edited May 19, 2021 by Macnamara

[Grumpy Owl]

MOD NOTE

 

Can we please keep this thread 'on-topic' folks, and quit the personal attacks?

 

 

[Macnamara]

7 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

MOD NOTE

 

Can we please keep this thread 'on-topic' folks, and quit the personal attacks?

 

it is on topic

 

the 'woke madness' is fundamentally connected to the physical changes being wrought on society

 

truthers like to joke about 'soy boys' but that is all fundamentally part of what is happening.

 

The genders are being meddled with at the hormonal level and then in order to hide that this is going on the woke agenda seeks to shut down any discussion about it by shouting nasty slurs at people

 

By doing this they are seeking to NORMALISE the changes that are being deliberately wrought on society. There's NOTHING normal about any of what is going on

 

None of it is normal. It is all being artificially induced and then culturally and linguistically normalised

Edited May 19, 2021 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

There's nothing normal about what is going on. It is all being orchestrated:

'A live experiment on children': Mail on Sunday publishes the shocking physicians' testimony that led a High Court judge to ban NHS's Tavistock clinic from giving puberty blocking drugs to youngsters as young as 10 who want to change sex 

By Sanchez Manning Social Affairs Correspondent For The Mail On Sunday

Published: 23:01, 9 January 2021 | Updated: 00:40, 10 January 2021

The shocking evidence that convinced a High Court judge to effectively ban an NHS gender clinic from giving puberty-blocking drugs to children can be revealed for the first time today.

Until now a court order has prevented the testimony of eminent physicians being made public. But lawyers for The Mail on Sunday successfully argued there was a significant public interest in disclosing the material.

Among the devastating statements that can now be divulged is one from Professor Christopher Gillberg, an expert in child and adolescent psychiatry, who believes prescribing drugs to delay puberty – a first step in gender treatment – is a scandal and tantamount to conducting 'a live experiment' on vulnerable children.

'In my years as a physician, I cannot remember an issue of greater significance for the practice of medicine,' he said. 

'We have left established evidence-based clinical practice and are using powerful life-altering medication for a vulnerable group of adolescents and children based upon a belief.'

In their statements, Prof Gillberg and other leading medical experts revealed:

• Puberty-halting drugs can harm a patient's brain and bone development;
• Clinics are urging gender-changing teen girls to choose sperm donors to fertilise eggs before freezing them;
• Medics are failing to warn about the infertility risks posed by puberty blockers;
• Children who regret treatment find themselves 'locked' into new bodies;
• Internet sites persuade autistic children they are transgender when they simply have 'identity issues'.

The Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) clinic in London, also known as the Tavistock Centre, began prescribing puberty blockers to under-16s in 2011. There has been growing concern ever since about the irreversible, life-changing dangers.

Last month the clinic suspended referrals for hormone therapy after judges ruled it was 'very doubtful' youngsters could give informed consent.

The High Court also recommended that doctors should not prescribe the drugs to those aged 16 and 17 without seeking the consent of the courts. Anyone who continues to prescribe puberty blockers to under-16s without court authorisation now runs a higher risk of pursuit for clinical negligence.

Before reaching their decision – viewed as a victory for common sense by many parents – the judges examined the experts' testimonies submitted in support of a judicial review launched by Keira Bell, who was born female but began questioning her gender identity at 14 and began taking puberty blockers at 16 after referral to the Tavistock. Now 23, also had a double mastectomy, which she now regrets.

Prof Gillberg warned that the lack of clinical understanding of gender dysphoria – a mismatch between an individual's birth sex and the person they feel they are – is so acute that the profession is 'dealing with a live experiment on adolescents and children'.

The court papers said the Tavistock had seen a 60-fold increase in requests for its services in the past 15 years. Judges were told there had been a sharp rise in the number of girls aged 12 to 17 requesting help and they outnumbered biological males wanting to transition by two to one.

Experts cited the influence of the internet and social media sites that 'disproportionately pressure girls' struggling with their sense of identity and body image.

Medics warned there was a 'disproportionate number' of children across the world claiming trans identities who were in care, adopted, autistic, anorexic or had psychiatric or mental illnesses.

Haunting stories of those scarred by sex change treatment

The court was given harrowing testimonies from dozens of young women who wrote of how their lives have been ruined by sex change treatments.

Judges heard how over the past decade there had been a huge rise in the number of girls identifying as male, and that 70 per cent of adolescent referrals to the Tavistock clinic were female.

Expert witness Stephanie Davies-Arai, founder of parent campaign group Transgender Trend, compiled the accounts from online posts. They came from young women across the world who refer to themselves as 'detransitioners'. Ms Davies-Arai blamed the worrying rise on social media, 'selfie culture' and society's increasing sexualisation of young women. She said this was leading girls to become obsessed with their body image and 'fear' becoming women.

One woman who underwent sex change surgery, Lucy, said she felt 'mutilated' afterwards.

She wrote: 'I'm horrified that when I went for the hysterectomy they didn't emphasise to me how important these organs are. Now it's too late. I'm 23 and I am basically in menopause and all the health implications that come with that.

'I can't comprehend how doctors could let this happen.'

Another young woman told a news website that she was 'traumatised' by the sex change operation, saying: 'I had chest surgery. It was botched and I was left with terrible scarring.'

A detransitioner called Lee said on an internet blog post she was given powerful drugs by a doctor with almost no assessment of her psychological or physical health.

She said: 'I went to see a gender doctor privately in London. On the first appointment, he said, 'Let's not waste any more time', and injected me with testosterone. It was what I wanted but now I think it was wrong – what I really needed was psychotherapy.'

Ms Davies-Arai said the Tavistock clinic was aware there were young women who were now regretting sex change treatments, but claimed it had not taken any action.

Professor Stephen Levine, a clinical psychiatrist, repeatedly questioned whether teenagers were capable of understanding the enormity of the 'irreversible' process of changing sex. 

He said demand had grown 'exponentially' in recent years, 'with little critical oversight'. 

Prof Levine, an American expert in the field of gender treatment, said puberty suppression medicine – also used for infertility, prostate cancer and to 'chemically castrate' violent sex offenders – was 'experimental' and the injections had not been scientifically established as a 'safe and effective intervention in the short or long term'.

He said 'there was no other field of medicine where such radical interventions are offered to children with such a poor evidence base'. And warning of 'life-long consequences', he said the vast majority of females on puberty blockers for two years had lower bone density than their peers.

Prof Levine also said there were reports of impaired brain development and 'negative effects on IQ for gender-dysphoric children'.

Nearly 100 per cent of children treated with puberty blockers, he claimed, went on to take cross-sex hormones, which trigger 'irreversible changes' such as hair growth and a deepening voice in females and the growth of breasts in males.

Recent studies, he added, pointed to serious cardiovascular risks, including a four-fold increased risk of heart attacks in biological females and three times the risk of deep-vein blood clots in biological males. Prof Levine's submission said some fertility treatments on offer were 'highly experimental' while teenagers often did not want to go through invasive procedures such as egg freezing.

Keira Bell was born female but began questioning her gender identity at 14 and began taking puberty blockers at 16 after referral to the Tavistock. Now 23, also had a double mastectomy, which she now regrets

'Another complicating issue is the fact that freezing unfertilised eggs has a low rate of success,' he said. 'For this reason, certain practices are now asking minors to choose sperm donors to fertilise the eggs prior to freezing them.

'The ethics of asking a child to choose the genetic father for their future child (and creating and storing embryos) pose a host of highly problematic ethical issues.'

Prof Levine said the medical treatments were taking place in such a 'toxic and febrile context that critical and cautious voices are shouted down as transphobic, hateful and engaging in conversion therapy'.

'Such a climate has created an intimidating and hostile environment where silence and acquiescence are the inevitable consequence. It is left to those of us at the end of our careers, who have nothing to lose, to voice our concerns.'

Prof Levine, from Cleveland, Ohio, said modern approaches to dealing with gender confusion were based on a 'cultural fashion' rather than science. And there had been no 'controlled clinical trials' – the gold standard of scientific testing – for puberty blockers. 'Scientific requirements for establishing an intervention's utility are well known in medicine,' he said. 'Advances are undertaken through carefully controlled clinical trials. Why should gender problems be considered an exception?'

But the director of GIDS, Dr Polly Carmichael, insisted in her submission to the High Court that all the potential side effects and impacts were explained to young people by clinicians before referring them for puberty blockers. 

Dr Carmichael said the primary purpose of puberty blockers was to give the young person time 'to think about their gender identity'.

But Prof Levine disputed this. So too did Professor Sophie Scott, of University College London, who stated in her evidence to the court that puberty blockers were likely to have a harmful impact on 'brain maturation'. 

Prof Scott added: 'I am concerned that the current treatment regime practised by the Tavistock is exposing young people to significant risk of harm.

Prof Gillberg also criticised the practice of giving puberty blockers to the many autistic youngsters who are now presenting as transgender.

He said it was common for autistic young people to have both general and gender-related identity problems. And until recently the 'vast majority' of these patients learnt to deal with these issues following psychotherapy sessions. However, autistic youngsters are now being wrongly convinced they have gender dysphoria from information fed to them online.

Many looking for solutions were turning to the internet, where there was a 'ready supply of answers' leading them to believe their problems related to gender, Prof Gillberg said.

University College London Hospital and Leeds Teaching Hospital, which both administer drugs for GIDS, are planning to apply to the Family Courts to allow parents to give consent to a child under 16 receiving puberty suppressants. If successful, doctors would not need a judge's permission.

Conservative peer Baroness Nicholson, a former director of Save The Children, said: 'Puberty blockers are... a harrowing, physical destructive experiment on immature boys and girls. It closes normal development in favour of a painful life and a curtailed barren future – the NHS should never have allowed such unresearched use of public money on irremediable surgery on healthy bodies.'

The Tavistock said: 'We have sought permission to appeal the recent judgment, and so won't comment on the ongoing proceedings.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9130157/The-physicians-testimony-led-High-Court-judge-ban-child-puberty-blocker-drugs.html

[Scogan]

On 5/19/2021 at 8:43 AM, Macnamara said:

 

 

Some girls now enter puberty as early as six - with toxic chemicals widely held to blame. But are new drugs to hold back the years really the right answer?:

 

 

 

 

It isn't widespread to this extreme.   And has varied over time.  Aristotle wrote age it occurred most often at age 14.  In the 1800s it rose to age 17.  Today about age 10.  Varies by ethnicity, nutrition, and chemicals seem to play a role.

 

Bonobos Monkeys... 8 years.

 

Chimps about 10 years.

 

Seems we are merging closer to our nearest relatives.  Which might explain my urge to live in a tree. :)

 

[Macnamara]

2 hours ago, Scogan said:

It isn't widespread to this extreme.   And has varied over time. 

 

you are ignoring the perfect storm of things all happening NOW

 

I doubt sperm counts halved in aristotles times and i doubt that autism went from 1 in 10000 kids to 1 in 50

 

people need to wake up and smell the coffee

[Scogan]

1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

 

you are ignoring the perfect storm of things all happening NOW

 

I doubt sperm counts halved in aristotles times and i doubt that autism went from 1 in 10000 kids to 1 in 50

 

people need to wake up and smell the coffee

 

 

Being awake to a living nightmare?  Are you kidding me?  I would rather take a nap.  (sarcasm is a friend of mine)

 

The genocide on men didn't just begin.  It's been a 50 year war in the making and men are losing battles each and every day.  This has been the Illuminati plan all along... eliminate testosterone.  That hormone = opposition.  

 

They figured us out.  Instead of TNT they have bombed us with chemicals, gender confusion, DNA altering food, vaccines for good measure.  It is their goal to eliminate 99% of us without US firing a single shot at THEM.

 

We know the game man.  Yes, we have smelled that coffee.  Yet what do we do?  They own the battlespace.  They own the AI.  They own the cameras, the internet, the drones.. the drone swarms.

 

If the Bible is right we will all be fleeing into caves praying that the mountains fall on top of us.

 

So I ask you again, what do we do?  

 

You DIE FIGHTING.  That is all we can do.  Try organizing that effort and they will surround your ass in an instant for plotting crimes against humanity.

 

Unless you have the solution.... they have figured us out.  And we die alone... fighting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Macnamara]

49 minutes ago, Scogan said:

Being awake to a living nightmare? 

 

Yet what do we do? 

 

what we do is we awake to the living nightmare and look it straight in the face and then act accordingly. That's what we do

[Scogan]

14 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

what we do is we awake to the living nightmare and look it straight in the face and then act accordingly. That's what we do

 

I like discussing things with you.  But that is a non-answer... it explains a state of existence, not a plan of action.  

 

The answer is passive and active resistance;

 

VOTING:  Is a sham.  I'm not voting anymore. As for ballot measures I will Vote No to every single one. 

 

MSM MEDIA:  Propaganda.  I'm not watching them anymore.

 

SOCIAL MEDIA:  I don't have them.

 

PREPAREDNESS:  Be prepared with stocks of food, water, shelter.

 

LOVE FAMILY:  They, along with people you trust, will be all you have.

 

PAY ATTENTION TO LOCALITY:  What matters most is the area in which you live.

 

PAY YOUR TAXES:  Jail is no fun.

 

LIVE YOUR LIFE:  To the fullest with happiness, joy, love.

 

CHOOSE YOUR TIME OF DYING:  When they come for you, and they will, be smart about it.  

 

I am sure there are a few others.  Point is don't get bogged down into radicalism and pretending your local area is just like the propaganda they spit.  Odds are you locality doesn't have those problems, and neighbors are good neighbors.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Grumpy Owl]

Having my doubts about Mozilla/Firefox, and then this pops up at the bottom of a new tab:

 

This is the article linked to:

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/chrystal-d-giles-curator?utm_source=desktop-snippet&utm_medium=snippet&utm_campaign=pocket-may2021&utm_term=24639&utm_content=

 

Instead of just letting "kids be kids" and learn and discover for themselves, this 'woke agenda' is about priming and programming future generations to deliver 'societal change' via a gradual process.

 

Its essentially a slow corruption of the "system program", but one that won't replace the current 'system' with something new and meaningful, only one much worse.

[peter]

1 hour ago, Grumpy Owl said:

Having my doubts about Mozilla/Firefox, and then this pops up at the bottom of a new tab:

 

This is the article linked to:

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/chrystal-d-giles-curator?utm_source=desktop-snippet&utm_medium=snippet&utm_campaign=pocket-may2021&utm_term=24639&utm_content=

 

Instead of just letting "kids be kids" and learn and discover for themselves, this 'woke agenda' is about priming and programming future generations to deliver 'societal change' via a gradual process.

 

Its essentially a slow corruption of the "system program", but one that won't replace the current 'system' with something new and meaningful, only one much worse.

I use duck duck go  and that bloody message comes up at the bottom of the page , is there anyway to get rid of it

[peter]

On 5/21/2021 at 7:50 AM, Macnamara said:

 

you are ignoring the perfect storm of things all happening NOW

 

I doubt sperm counts halved in aristotles times and i doubt that autism went from 1 in 10000 kids to 1 in 50

 

people need to wake up and smell the coffee

If autism rates keep increasing as they have it will be 1 in 10 shortly, I also read a couple of articles years ago  about the lining used in caned food containing artificial female hormones ,just a coincidence ,I think not. ,it should now be obvious to even the most brainwashed in society that something is amiss  as the human condition has been under attack from many fronts and has been  for quite some time and now we are seeing the chickens coming home to roost

[Macnamara]

3 minutes ago, peter said:

If autism rates keep increasing as they have it will be 1 in 10 shortly, I also read a couple of articles years ago  about the lining used in caned food containing artificial female hormones ,just a coincidence ,I think not. ,it should now be obvious to even the most brainwashed in society that something is amiss  as the human condition has been under attack from many fronts and has been  for quite some time and now we are seeing the chickens coming home to roost

 

absolutely pete and i find myself asking myself how bad things will need to get before people sit up and ask questions

 

does it need to get to 1 in every 10 children having autism before people start to ask questions? Does it need to get to 1 in every 2 or for every child to be autistic before people start to focus on the things that really matter?

[peter]

53 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

absolutely pete and i find myself asking myself how bad things will need to get before people sit up and ask questions

 

does it need to get to 1 in every 10 children having autism before people start to ask questions? Does it need to get to 1 in every 2 or for every child to be autistic before people start to focus on the things that really matter?

I think it will become pretty bad. in this day and age everything is so expensive you tend to have both parents working to put a roof over their respective heads and food on the table. Bringing  up kids is hard enough but if you couple that with a child that needs constant attention you don't have time to focus on anything else. then you have the people that don't have kids or their children have grown and moved on , these  members of society are not affected so therefore not versed in the subject to any degree  and the media are certainly not going  to let on to the full extent of the problem and the related causes,they will at best only skirt around the edges otherwise Joe Blogs may indeed start asking some rater uncomfortable questions ( or you will get an in depth show like 60 Minutes  that always winds up being 45 minutes of ads and 15 minuets of bullshit sorry propaganda)   As David says you have to stand back and look at the big picture and until society as a whole starts to do that they will just keep chipping away at different sections till it all comes crashing down and unfortunately the sheep will be looking to the bastards that caused the problems to actually fix them