Has the virus been isolated and does it exist?

[pirron]

This is not a theory anymore. This is a fact. 

 

There is no virus. 2 days ago majority of this forum might have been conspiracy theorists. In past 2 days and going forward you are fact checkers. People who were telling you, you are crazy are not only wrong, they are uninformed, gullible criminals. 

 

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[atenea]

On 11/1/2021 at 10:24 AM, Deano7879 said:

There is definitely a new strain of flu. I fell ill in september and then 2 days later my partner aswell 

 

Exact same symptoms of flu but with one difference. We both lost of taste and smell for weeks. 

 

That's never happened before 

Same here. It's a flu strain and everyone should stop questioning further.

The 'covid' invention is just the excuse to implement the vaccine.

The vaccine is the threat, not an imaginary 'virus'.

[Made in Wales]

59 minutes ago, atenea said:

Same here. It's a flu strain and everyone should stop questioning further.

The 'covid' invention is just the excuse to implement the vaccine.

The vaccine is the threat, not an imaginary 'virus'.

Yes that would seem the logical explanation but isn't the 5g/smart meter theory also a possibility? 

 

The adverse reaction to radiation poisoning is meant to be that of a very nasty flu' so it does make me question whether the Wuhan lab leak story was in fact just a red herring and subsequent varients utter bs. Normal flu maybe plus a bit of radiation poisoning for good measure. 

 

One thing is for sure you just cannot believe anything the government and their big Pharma sponsored scientists tell us anymore. 

[atenea]

13 hours ago, Made in Wales said:

Yes that would seem the logical explanation but isn't the 5g/smart meter theory also a possibility? 

 

 

Yes, the 5G radiation may also be a factor, a bit of this and that. However, as per my research, 5G is just a continuation of all the other previous radiations, so it 'accumulates', and it is the accumulation of all that has the same effects on the nervous system as covid. Not just 5G.

 

What we have to do, in my opinion, is this:

 

1st - Completely ignore whatever they tell us, so that our body/mind is fear free.

2nd - Take responsibility for ourselves: what we eat, what we choose, our relationships, our jobs, our activities - at any given moment. It's a constant choice. It's not something we do once, and that's it. We have to make choices all the time, and it's those choices that make who we are in the long run.

 

By taking care of ourselves individually, we create a system that cannot be in sync with ill/disrupted/bad energies.

[Nathan Oakley]

On 11/1/2021 at 10:24 AM, Deano7879 said:

There is definitely a new strain of flu. I fell ill in september and then 2 days later my partner aswell 

 

Exact same symptoms of flu but with one difference. We both lost of taste and smell for weeks. 

 

That's never happened before 

 

So you are saying you had Covid and not the flu?

[DarianF]

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[Human10]

On 11/1/2021 at 10:24 AM, Deano7879 said:

There is definitely a new strain of flu. I fell ill in september and then 2 days later my partner aswell 

 

Exact same symptoms of flu but with one difference. We both lost of taste and smell for weeks. 

 

That's never happened before 

Lost of smell and taste was always on a list of cold symptoms and I experienced it many times through my vaccinated, antibiotic childhood... My childhood would be probably long covid nowadays... 

[Yoyo]

I’ve always associated loss of taste and smell with having coughs and colds. I’ve experienced it and remember lots of people saying they can’t smell something because they have a cold. The cabal are fucking with peoples minds, and it’s working. People need to be mentally stronger and stand firm in their common knowledge and beliefs. 

[GeoffB]

"Has the virus been isolated and does it exist"?

 

The facts showing that viruses exist ……

 

Viruses are a quirk of nature and there is scientific debate on whether they are living organisms or not. (A similar concept to the quirk of nature in Quantum Mechanics whereby light can be a particle or a waveform).

 

Viruses have been proved to exist by modern virology through experiments with an isolated single human cell infected with a virus and shown to infect a different healthy human cell. (Modern Virologists have always known that viruses cannot be “isolated” or “purified” in the dictionary sense of the word). Mock controls are done in almost every case using the same known liquid suspension or substrate. The experiment is written up in a scientific paper for peer review. Just Google “virus cell culture paper” for thousands of these papers. No paper has had to be retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist via modern electron microscopy and photographed showing the virus which is similar but different to an exosome. Just Google “virus cell culture paper”, Images. Again no paper has been retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist via modern whole gene sequencing of all of the base pairs. SARS-CoV-2 has 29,903 base pairs which have been laboriously whole gene sequenced (it takes 4 to 5 days and NOT computer generated) and uploaded to the GISAID Initiative over 5.7 million times. Again no paper has been retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist via PCR tests which are highly specific in detecting a unique long gene sequence fragment of the virus you want to detect. It is not so good at diagnosing infection as the virus detected maybe dead fragments and not viable which can only be done by cell culture. However, the CT rate if low is an indication of infectability. (Although PCR tests are incredibly accurate it all depends on the Quality Control measures in the labs. The Lighthouse labs for mass testing in the UK have poor Quality Control and produce many “false positives”). Again no paper has been retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist in the German courts in the infamous Lanka v Bardens case where all the judges and experts agreed that the measles virus was real. (Lanka weaseled himself out of paying the 100,000euro bet by persuading the court that it was proved by “six” scientific papers and not “one” that he had asked for).

 

There has been no scientific paper, even a pre-print or one not peer reviewed, that has ever suggested that viruses do not exist.

 

Unlike thousands of sceptical climate scientists questioning man made global warming there has been no retired virologist or otherwise with nothing to lose in coming forward with any doubts about “viruses existing”. There have been no death bed confessions from modern virologists. There have been no scientific papers suggesting viruses do not exist. This indicates that viruses are real and do exist.

 

The US has over 200 bioweapons labs around the world, there are many others. They are all working on viruses. If there is a biological accident or attack your semi-religious belief that “viruses do not exist” will not save you from sickness and/or death.

 

Some Charlatans with a failed scientific/medical background with books to sell, websites to fund and pills, lotions and potions to sell to the gullible have seen the profit potential of abandoning mainstream medicine in favour of the 19^th century Terrain Theory and “viruses do not exist” quackery. People like Stefan Lanka, Andrew Kaufman, Tom Cowan, Sam Bailey etc.

 

These people have seduced others in the alternative media without a medical or scientific background but who also have books to sell and websites to fund to support their spurious 19^th century claims and that “viruses do not exist”. People like David Icke, Jon Rappaport, Mike Adams etc.

 

They keep appearing on each others platforms, including Alex Jones Infowars, and keep quoting each other and operate in an echo chamber of lies and deceit to illicit money from the gullible.

Facts are facts and viruses have been proved to exist.

 

These people may have interesting things to say on Covid, lockdowns, masks, vaccines, global warming, controlling the masses and many other subjects but on “viruses not existing” they are totally wrong, out of date and have been proved to be wrong.

 

You may be a follower of these people and want to believe they are right 100% of the time but on “viruses not existing” they are just plain wrong, out of date and have been proved to be wrong.

[Daithi]

Hmm, folk still want to bang the virus exists drum.

 

I'd call into question using blind faith in the published papers of the autocratic scientific and medical apparatus to prove the theories proposed by the same autocratic scientific and medical machinery.

 

Anybody in 2021 still offering google as a font of truth is on shaky ground in my humble opinion.

 

Arguments against virus theory are being fuelled by people hellbent on raking in cash? Really? Tell it to Bill Gates and the utterly gross levels of coin he has banked off of fake vaccines for these fake virus theories, just one example of many.

[zarkov]

16 hours ago, GeoffB said:

"Has the virus been isolated and does it exist"?

 

The facts showing that viruses exist ……

 

Viruses are a quirk of nature and there is scientific debate on whether they are living organisms or not. (A similar concept to the quirk of nature in Quantum Mechanics whereby light can be a particle or a waveform).

 

Viruses have been proved to exist by modern virology through experiments with an isolated single human cell infected with a virus and shown to infect a different healthy human cell. (Modern Virologists have always known that viruses cannot be “isolated” or “purified” in the dictionary sense of the word). Mock controls are done in almost every case using the same known liquid suspension or substrate. The experiment is written up in a scientific paper for peer review. Just Google “virus cell culture paper” for thousands of these papers. No paper has had to be retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist via modern electron microscopy and photographed showing the virus which is similar but different to an exosome. Just Google “virus cell culture paper”, Images. Again no paper has been retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist via modern whole gene sequencing of all of the base pairs. SARS-CoV-2 has 29,903 base pairs which have been laboriously whole gene sequenced (it takes 4 to 5 days and NOT computer generated) and uploaded to the GISAID Initiative over 5.7 million times. Again no paper has been retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist via PCR tests which are highly specific in detecting a unique long gene sequence fragment of the virus you want to detect. It is not so good at diagnosing infection as the virus detected maybe dead fragments and not viable which can only be done by cell culture. However, the CT rate if low is an indication of infectability. (Although PCR tests are incredibly accurate it all depends on the Quality Control measures in the labs. The Lighthouse labs for mass testing in the UK have poor Quality Control and produce many “false positives”). Again no paper has been retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist in the German courts in the infamous Lanka v Bardens case where all the judges and experts agreed that the measles virus was real. (Lanka weaseled himself out of paying the 100,000euro bet by persuading the court that it was proved by “six” scientific papers and not “one” that he had asked for).

 

There has been no scientific paper, even a pre-print or one not peer reviewed, that has ever suggested that viruses do not exist.

 

Unlike thousands of sceptical climate scientists questioning man made global warming there has been no retired virologist or otherwise with nothing to lose in coming forward with any doubts about “viruses existing”. There have been no death bed confessions from modern virologists. There have been no scientific papers suggesting viruses do not exist. This indicates that viruses are real and do exist.

 

The US has over 200 bioweapons labs around the world, there are many others. They are all working on viruses. If there is a biological accident or attack your semi-religious belief that “viruses do not exist” will not save you from sickness and/or death.

 

Some Charlatans with a failed scientific/medical background with books to sell, websites to fund and pills, lotions and potions to sell to the gullible have seen the profit potential of abandoning mainstream medicine in favour of the 19^th century Terrain Theory and “viruses do not exist” quackery. People like Stefan Lanka, Andrew Kaufman, Tom Cowan, Sam Bailey etc.

 

These people have seduced others in the alternative media without a medical or scientific background but who also have books to sell and websites to fund to support their spurious 19^th century claims and that “viruses do not exist”. People like David Icke, Jon Rappaport, Mike Adams etc.

 

They keep appearing on each others platforms, including Alex Jones Infowars, and keep quoting each other and operate in an echo chamber of lies and deceit to illicit money from the gullible.

Facts are facts and viruses have been proved to exist.

 

These people may have interesting things to say on Covid, lockdowns, masks, vaccines, global warming, controlling the masses and many other subjects but on “viruses not existing” they are totally wrong, out of date and have been proved to be wrong.

 

You may be a follower of these people and want to believe they are right 100% of the time but on “viruses not existing” they are just plain wrong, out of date and have been proved to be wrong.

 

All "viral" hypothesis is based entirely on indirect research methodology.

 

 

Maybe these non nucleated intelligent protein clusters can take us to their leader ;)

[Nathan Oakley]

23 hours ago, Daithi said:

Hmm, folk still want to bang the virus exists drum.

 

I'd call into question using blind faith in the published papers of the autocratic scientific and medical apparatus to prove the theories proposed by the same autocratic scientific and medical machinery.

 

Anybody in 2021 still offering google as a font of truth is on shaky ground in my humble opinion.

 

Arguments against virus theory are being fuelled by people hellbent on raking in cash? Really? Tell it to Bill Gates and the utterly gross levels of coin he has banked off of fake vaccines for these fake virus theories, just one example of many.

So are chicken pox, herpes, flu due to bacteria and not a virus? That would make more sense. Why do the powers to be want to replace the bacteria.

 

Animals get foot and mouth disease, yet they claim it is due to a virus?

[Daithi]

2 hours ago, Nathan Oakley said:

So are chicken pox, herpes, flu due to bacteria and not a virus? That would make more sense. Why do the powers to be want to replace the bacteria.

 

Animals get foot and mouth disease, yet they claim it is due to a virus?

 

In my research since March 2020 into the modern history of human diseases the most interesting was Antoine Bechamp and his terrain model experimentation. Contrasting his work against the "theories" of his contemporary, Louis Pasteur, led me to discover the Carnegie/Rockefeller roots of the autocratic inhumane modern drug and slash "medicine" peddled as a wonder of our age.

 

I think we cannot get a strong handle on causes of many diseases but we always seem to completely discount obvious things like constant exposure to volatile organic compounds, poisonous chemicals, EMF radiation poisoning, oxidative stress from wage slavery and unnatural living conditions and so on.

 

It's interesting that somebody on this thread recently (mis)quoted Quantum Mechanics (that unobserved light demonstrates both particle AND waveform behaviour at the same time), which clearly shows our pathetic grasp on the nuts and bolts of the physical universe including our own meat suits. That in itself is enough to persuade me to ignore all theories and quackery such as RNA viruses because such concepts are above the human pay grade IMHO.

[Nathan Oakley]

3 minutes ago, Daithi said:

 

In my research since March 2020 into the modern history of human diseases the most interesting was Antoine Bechamp and his terrain model experimentation. Contrasting his work against the "theories" of his contemporary, Louis Pasteur, led me to discover the Carnegie/Rockefeller roots of the autocratic inhumane modern drug and slash "medicine" peddled as a wonder of our age.

 

I think we cannot get a strong handle on causes of many diseases but we always seem to completely discount obvious things like constant exposure to volatile organic compounds, poisonous chemicals, EMF radiation poisoning, oxidative stress from wage slavery and unnatural living conditions and so on.

 

It's interesting that somebody on this thread recently (mis)quoted Quantum Mechanics (that unobserved light demonstrates both particle AND waveform behaviour at the same time), which clearly shows our pathetic grasp on the nuts and bolts of the physical universe including our own meat suits. That in itself is enough to persuade me to ignore all theories and quackery such as RNA viruses because such concepts are above the human pay grade IMHO.

Maybe chicken pox is a bacteria and a virus at the same time?

[Daithi]

4 hours ago, Nathan Oakley said:

Maybe chicken pox is a bacteria and a virus at the same time?

 

Can't tell if that's a quantum joke! If so , lolz

[Guest m754]

20 hours ago, Daithi said:

I think we cannot get a strong handle on causes of many diseases but we always seem to completely discount obvious things like constant exposure to volatile organic compounds, poisonous chemicals, EMF radiation poisoning, oxidative stress from wage slavery and unnatural living conditions and so on.

 

We need to understand that people were dying of 'plague', flu' like diseases much before so-called EMF exposure, chemicals or unnatural living conditions. 

 

[Guest m754]

22 hours ago, Nathan Oakley said:

Why do the powers to be want to replace the bacteria.

 

They wish to 'create' a multitude of 'forms' out of what already exists.

 

They cannot create new matter. Their masonic/ science knowledge is limited to manipulation of existing 'matter'.

 

By isolating and giving it 'name and form', they create/ add another layer of 'life' or 'activity' to this dead reality and keep up the pretend 'life' going on in this fake reality.

 

Name and form consolidates 'matter' manifestation in True reality. Their freemasonic knowledge cannot activate it at this level through mere 'naming'---so they cut existing 'matter' into bits and pieces and name each piece a different label, and attribute to it the form they 'isolated' and thus carry on the game.. More units to play the game, hence more 'buzzing' life...and activity... in what would otherwise be a dead world..

 

Until they reach a truly dead end.. not far away now...All 'life' has been mined here. Not much left.

 

 

 

[Daithi]

11 hours ago, m754 said:

 

We need to understand that people were dying of 'plague', flu' like diseases much before so-called EMF exposure, chemicals or unnatural living conditions. 

 

 

An interesting opinion to hold. When was this pollution/stress free existence and what historical epidemiology are you referring to?

 

My research suggests that coronal mass ejections from the sun are an example of EMF radiation that has been bombarding humanity since forever.

 

There are obscure branches of scientific study such as Physical Radiesthesia that suggest that even water flows and other natural sources can be toxic to human health

 

My understanding of documented modern history is that the downtrodden masses have lived in oppressed squalid poverty for at least the last two thousand years.

Edited December 16, 2021 by Daithi

[Mikheil]

On 12/13/2021 at 10:13 PM, Yoyo said:

I’ve always associated loss of taste and smell with having coughs and colds. I’ve experienced it and remember lots of people saying they can’t smell something because they have a cold. The cabal are fucking with peoples minds, and it’s working. People need to be mentally stronger and stand firm in their common knowledge and beliefs. 

My grandfather had a cold back in 1964. There was a pot of Shipams fish paste in the cupboard (we didn't have a fridge or electricity, everything was gas.) He ate it on his bread.

 

When I got up I could smell it as I entered the room. OMG it stank. Around an hour later, he collapsed and died in hospital from the fish paste he couldn't smell. 

 

The cunts who keep popping out of the woodwork pretending that it's 'NEW' to lose your smell because if the DREADED Covid are just government trolls and shills.

 

Just ignore the dimwits

[Seeker]

https://www.med.hku.hk/en/news/press/20211215-omicron-sars-cov-2-infection

 

This is the paper claiming to have isolated the Omicron variant. Some electron pictures, I’m clearly no scientist, but it doesn’t look so isolated to me

[Daithi]

1 hour ago, Seeker said:

https://www.med.hku.hk/en/news/press/20211215-omicron-sars-cov-2-infection

 

This is the paper claiming to have isolated the Omicron variant. Some electron pictures, I’m clearly no scientist, but it doesn’t look so isolated to me

 

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HKUMed have pioneered the use of ex vivo cultures of the respiratory tract

 

Ex vivo culture - so just more fraudulent laboratory rubbish that they have found when growing their so called "virus" in an environment that bears no relation to the respiratory tract of a living human being. It's the study of dead lung tissue in chemical goop.

 

It makes my jaw drop that this can be held up as prime evidence of the behaviour of a "virus" when it is clearly highly questionable experimentation because a living human respiratory tract is a complex thing. Dead tissue in chemical goop doesn't cut it.

 

So I'll only believe RNA virus theory when somebody takes the results of this supposed RNA viral behaviour that they have found in dead tissue cooked in chemical goop and can robustly map the results onto human test subjects and prove that by passing RNA/mRNA viral particulates we develop disease. I've looked and I find no such studies.

 

I have found studies across the last 100 years that  show RNA virus transmission DOES NOT occur between supposedly infected people and healthy people.

 

People are getting sick with disease labelled as RNA virus infection by autocratic forces but the facts beyond this ex vivo quackery just don't support that.

Edited December 19, 2021 by Daithi

[GeoffB]

15 hours ago, Daithi said:

 

 

Ex vivo culture - so just more fraudulent laboratory rubbish that they have found when growing their so called "virus" in an environment that bears no relation to the respiratory tract of a living human being. It's the study of dead lung tissue in chemical goop.

 

It makes my jaw drop that this can be held up as prime evidence of the behaviour of a "virus" when it is clearly highly questionable experimentation because a living human respiratory tract is a complex thing. Dead tissue in chemical goop doesn't cut it.

 

So I'll only believe RNA virus theory when somebody takes the results of this supposed RNA viral behaviour that they have found in dead tissue cooked in chemical goop and can robustly map the results onto human test subjects and prove that by passing RNA/mRNA viral particulates we develop disease. I've looked and I find no such studies.

 

I have found studies across the last 100 years that  show RNA virus transmission DOES NOT occur between supposedly infected people and healthy people.

 

People are getting sick with disease labelled as RNA virus infection by autocratic forces but the facts beyond this ex vivo quackery just don't support that.

You are talking absolute rubbish.

 

They are not "dead" cells they are live cells held in a liquid suspension of nutrients, antifungals, antibiotics etc. to keep the cells alive so they can be experimented on.

 

Dead cells are of no use whatsoever.

 

Here is an explanation from a scientist ......

 

“Tissue culture is a technique that has been perfected, through trial and error, to keep eukaryotic tissue cells alive and happy in a flask. Scientists like Renato Dulbecco, David Eagle, and David Baltimore have contributed to modifying the technique to what it is today, involving media that includes all of the nutrients and growth factors that cells need in order to survive.
Scientists all over the world perform these tissue culture techniques every day. I’m one of them. We never see cytopathic effects just doing these standard techniques (unless you’re really bad at cell culture and leave your cells unattended for too long). We only see cytopathic effects in response to manipulation of the cell culture, including but not limited to the addition of certain viruses or specific drugs. And yes, these experiments involve a control (mock). For example, this experiment finds cytopathic effects specific to SARS-CoV-2 in human cell lines and, of course, includes a mock control with the same culturing conditions that just doesn’t have the virus added (figure 1D).” https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17796-z

 

 

[Daithi]

3 hours ago, GeoffB said:

You are talking absolute rubbish.

 

You're entitled to your opinion but my humble opinion is it's actually you who is completely wrong and you are peddling absolute rubbish yourself.

 

The living, breathing human is operating from a mind blowingly complex internal environment. You have quoted nothing that changes my mind that this environment is faithfully replicated in the manner you describe and supports worthwhile experimentation.

 

The methodology described seems to be a means to an end in justifying the virus theory narrative for the sake of keeping glorified lab technicians under the spell of the autocratic monster of medicine onside with the lies and deceit.

 

One of my key points, unanswered is that I am not satisfied by this cell level validation of virus theory. If it all behaves as you describe then we should clearly see the transmission of respiratory disease from a diseased individual when passing RNA material aerobically to a healthy individual.

 

I am not seeing this far simpler, yet obvious validation of your beloved theory being published in scientific papers at any point during the lifetime of virus theory.

 

Your dogged determination to keep peddling the validity of virus theory makes you very dangerous and an unwelcome enemy of truth.

Edited December 20, 2021 by Daithi

[GeoffB]

38 minutes ago, Daithi said:

 

You're entitled to your opinion but my humble opinion is it's actually you who is completely wrong and you are peddling absolute rubbish yourself.

 

The living, breathing human is operating from a mind blowingly complex internal environment. You have quoted nothing that changes my mind that this environment is faithfully replicated in the manner you describe and supports worthwhile experimentation.

 

The methodology described seems to be a means to an end in justifying the virus theory narrative for the sake of keeping glorified lab technicians under the spell of the autocratic monster of medicine onside with the lies and deceit.

 

One of my key points, unanswered is that I am not satisfied by this cell level validation of virus theory. If it all behaves as you describe then we should clearly see the transmission of respiratory disease from a diseased individual when passing RNA material aerobically to a healthy individual.

 

I am not seeing this far simpler, yet obvious validation of your beloved theory being published in scientific papers at any point during the lifetime of virus theory.

 

Your dogged determination to keep peddling the validity of virus theory makes you very dangerous and an unwelcome enemy of truth.

My opinion that viruses exist is backed up by fact and verified scientific experiments.

Your opinion that "viruses do not exist" is just an abstract unproven theory peddled by charlatans with books, pills, lotions and potions to sell to the gullible and you've lapped it up.

Yes the human body is complex and malign forces around the world want to subjugate the masses but it doesn't mean viruses do not exist. 

[Nathan Oakley]

Viruses just dont infect humans. Viruses can be found on other living things. Ask a farmer....