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On 8/12/2021 at 2:31 AM, DaleP said:

I heard someone say there has been 100s of FOI request made for virus information with an obviously answer "we do not hold such information".

 

Is this true? I've got two bookmarked though.

yes. go there and see for yourself https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/fois-reveal-that-health-science-institutions-around-the-world-have-no-record-of-sars-cov-2-isolation-purification/

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On 10/10/2021 at 12:04 PM, Sensiblejoe said:

I got bashed on here about having a virus and getting tested for it, which came back positive.

 

I just want to honestly give my experience, first 5 days I was under the weather and lost taste and smell. Days 6-7 I had really bad hot and cold shivers with dry cough, no food. Days 8-11 I had chronic diarrhea with the shivers and dry cough and I've torn my stomach muscles through coughing. My partner has gone through similar thing. I have never experienced anything like this, I've had to book an extra week off work, maybe another to follow after 10 days isolation. But thankfully I can see light at the end of the tunnel, starting to get appetite and started with mini walks. 

 

My experience won't push me into getting vaccinated. But don't underestimate that there is nothing out there, I can't remember a time hearing so many people have a virus in Sept/Oct with winter temperatures have not kicked in yet. 

Maybe because before 2020 nobody would bother telling everyone who is listening that they have had a flu. And do not underestimate the nocebo effect of a year of media fear porn

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The fear porn does work, before I caught this virus I was walking around bullet proof thinking it was full of shit. But after catching this virus, I started questioning and doubting myself have I made the right choices because of the scaremongering from the media. 

 

I've never been so ill, its been 3 weeks now and still weak, but I should be back in work at the end of the week with a tail in between my legs because I am the only unvaccinated in my small group at work and caught this virus, but the double vaxxers haven't caught anything yet. So I will have some stick. 

 

 

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If there is NO documentation that the COVID 19 Virus exists can you please post the bs documents that are being used to support the push for the shot??

If you can point out all the false statements that are being used to support the false claims then we can be prepared for the face to face discussions with the people who have been misinformed. (Remember that a lot of people believe that they are protecting their families and that is something that you do not want to challenge,  you must assure them that you are also committed to the safety and wellbeing of their family and friends. Stay focused on asking other to help you find true real information) 

 

Without real information debates are pointless 

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On 10/11/2021 at 6:56 PM, Sensiblejoe said:

The fear porn does work, before I caught this virus I was walking around bullet proof thinking it was full of shit. But after catching this virus, I started questioning and doubting myself have I made the right choices because of the scaremongering from the media. 

 

I've never been so ill, its been 3 weeks now and still weak, but I should be back in work at the end of the week with a tail in between my legs because I am the only unvaccinated in my small group at work and caught this virus, but the double vaxxers haven't caught anything yet. So I will have some stick. 

 

 

 

You still with us? Been quiet for about week.

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Yes, still not right. About to start night shift and I am struggling. My bowels have become very loose again with stomach cramps, not quite diarrhea level and my abdominals have got worse since gone back to work. I can't live without compression support at the moment. So I think another phone call tomorrow with GP. 

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10 hours ago, Sensiblejoe said:

Yes, still not right. About to start night shift and I am struggling. My bowels have become very loose again with stomach cramps, not quite diarrhea level and my abdominals have got worse since gone back to work. I can't live without compression support at the moment. So I think another phone call tomorrow with GP. 

Well if it was Covid  - I still think it sounds like food positioning.

 

At least you now have life time immunity without having to take two jabs of the vaccine. Plus the booster etc.

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32 minutes ago, Nathan Oakley said:

Well if it was Covid  - I still think it sounds like food positioning.

 

At least you now have life time immunity without having to take two jabs of the vaccine. Plus the booster etc.

im from old forum btw,

 

i too have had "it".... first time was Jan / Feb 2020, before anyojne knew anything about it, knocked me for 6, was really unable to move for 5 days, took time off work, SSP, but most mental thing was no smell or taste,  at nearly 50 ive had many a flu/cold, but never experienced anything like it, couldnt even smell albos oil when i put some up my nose! breathing was ok,bad headace, fatigue and loss of smell/taste... then i got it again, Mrs tested pos around sept 20, this time, i had same symptoms, but they were less, and didnt last as long, but Mrs suffered badly, bed for a week/ 10 days, trouble breathing,... then i got it again, but.... just a headache/fatigue ... i think im still suffering from fatigue..... each time, none of children experienced anything 11,22,20

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35 minutes ago, S.B said:

im from old forum btw,

 

i too have had "it".... first time was Jan / Feb 2020, before anyojne knew anything about it, knocked me for 6, was really unable to move for 5 days, took time off work, SSP, but most mental thing was no smell or taste,  at nearly 50 ive had many a flu/cold, but never experienced anything like it, couldnt even smell albos oil when i put some up my nose! breathing was ok,bad headace, fatigue and loss of smell/taste... then i got it again, Mrs tested pos around sept 20, this time, i had same symptoms, but they were less, and didnt last as long, but Mrs suffered badly, bed for a week/ 10 days, trouble breathing,... then i got it again, but.... just a headache/fatigue ... i think im still suffering from fatigue..... each time, none of children experienced anything 11,22,20

 

You do know the PCR tests are completely unreliable. Even the person who invented the PCR test says it should not be used to diagnose Covid!  

Do you know if they have activated 5G in your area? Wouldnt be surprised if there was a roll out in Jan/Feb 2020.

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1 hour ago, Nathan Oakley said:

 

You do know the PCR tests are completely unreliable. Even the person who invented the PCR test says it should not be used to diagnose Covid!  

Do you know if they have activated 5G in your area? Wouldnt be surprised if there was a roll out in Jan/Feb 2020.

hi, i quoted "it" whatever it is, ive had "it" , ive not had any tests, im fully aware of the false positives, but thats only relatable without any symptoms obviously.

 

re 5g, why would it only affect me in jan/feb, and then again me and the mrs in sept / and again me in nov.  and noone else in the household?

 

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3 hours ago, S.B said:

hi, i quoted "it" whatever it is, ive had "it" , ive not had any tests, im fully aware of the false positives, but thats only relatable without any symptoms obviously.

 

re 5g, why would it only affect me in jan/feb, and then again me and the mrs in sept / and again me in nov.  and noone else in the household?

 

 

They are probably playing around with the 5G wavelength. Everyone is wired differently. When they hit the right wavelength, then you will feel it!

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On 10/10/2021 at 9:04 AM, Sensiblejoe said:

I got bashed on here about having a virus and getting tested for it, which came back positive.

 

I just want to honestly give my experience, first 5 days I was under the weather and lost taste and smell. Days 6-7 I had really bad hot and cold shivers with dry cough, no food. Days 8-11 I had chronic diarrhea with the shivers and dry cough and I've torn my stomach muscles through coughing. My partner has gone through similar thing. I have never experienced anything like this, I've had to book an extra week off work, maybe another to follow after 10 days isolation. But thankfully I can see light at the end of the tunnel, starting to get appetite and started with mini walks. 

 

My experience won't push me into getting vaccinated. But don't underestimate that there is nothing out there, I can't remember a time hearing so many people have a virus in Sept/Oct with winter temperatures have not kicked in yet. 

Had influenza once, back in the eighties. Knocked me for six for 2 weeks. Had the same symptoms as you’ve experienced. A bad case of the flu is fucking horrendous. COVID doesn’t exist in my opinion. Hypochondria, panic and a weak constitution can cause havoc to your health.  Best description of COVID I can come up with is mass hysteria and bullshit. 

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There is definitely a new strain of flu. I fell ill in september and then 2 days later my partner aswell 

 

Exact same symptoms of flu but with one difference. We both lost of taste and smell for weeks. 

 

That's never happened before 

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Positive covid tests probably detect any virus or bacteria in your nose/throat. In my lifetime I've had two bouts of real influenza which made me delirious, sick, weak, temperature all over place - sweating then teeth chattering freezing, rashy because of hot temp, bones feeling like I'd been kicked all over, headache especially on trying to stand up and sinusitis with no taste and smell. It made me bed ridden for about two weeks and unable to eat or wash. I really think people need to get a clear understanding of flu because it really matters in understanding what bullshit Covid is. 

 

I've also had viral illnesses that haven't lasted long and I didn't know what they were. I don't want to ramble but I've had all the stuff like tonsillitis, laryngitis, tracheitis, bronchitis and pneumonia. On many occasions I have either lost taste and smell or got a funny smell or taste when I've been ill. Losing taste or smell has always been common cold symptoms and definitely sinusitis! I also think we (myself included) feel a comfort in saying "I'm ill" as it kind of takes some of our responsibility away. I strongly feel we need to now avoid this at all costs and refuse to be ill!

Eating well, supplements and vitamins are fine but for me I feel it is the strength from not believing and forming a psychological shield that keeps me well.   

 

I categorically do not believe this "Covid" exists as this deadly, stand out virus and we would do ourselves a favour to remember there have always been germs and viruses. I believe people were dying pre-needle because of poor health that would kill them anyway, mass hysteria, broken spirit, neglect of certain people, Stockholm syndrome, cock ups in medical diagnosis and treatment, brain washing and many other complex psychological issues that us humans are prone too.  Now that we have this "needle", I think it is killing people too. If people start believing they have a weird new illness, then they've been got at a bit - in my humble opinion.

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17 hours ago, Useyournous said:

Positive covid tests probably detect any virus or bacteria in your nose/throat. In my lifetime I've had two bouts of real influenza which made me delirious, sick, weak, temperature all over place - sweating then teeth chattering freezing, rashy because of hot temp, bones feeling like I'd been kicked all over, headache especially on trying to stand up and sinusitis with no taste and smell. It made me bed ridden for about two weeks and unable to eat or wash. I really think people need to get a clear understanding of flu because it really matters in understanding what bullshit Covid is. 

 

I've also had viral illnesses that haven't lasted long and I didn't know what they were. I don't want to ramble but I've had all the stuff like tonsillitis, laryngitis, tracheitis, bronchitis and pneumonia. On many occasions I have either lost taste and smell or got a funny smell or taste when I've been ill. Losing taste or smell has always been common cold symptoms and definitely sinusitis! I also think we (myself included) feel a comfort in saying "I'm ill" as it kind of takes some of our responsibility away. I strongly feel we need to now avoid this at all costs and refuse to be ill!

Eating well, supplements and vitamins are fine but for me I feel it is the strength from not believing and forming a psychological shield that keeps me well.   

 

I categorically do not believe this "Covid" exists as this deadly, stand out virus and we would do ourselves a favour to remember there have always been germs and viruses. I believe people were dying pre-needle because of poor health that would kill them anyway, mass hysteria, broken spirit, neglect of certain people, Stockholm syndrome, cock ups in medical diagnosis and treatment, brain washing and many other complex psychological issues that us humans are prone too.  Now that we have this "needle", I think it is killing people too. If people start believing they have a weird new illness, then they've been got at a bit - in my humble opinion.

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The virus has been isolated and shown to exist. There are a lot of lies in the media about the virus but to be able to fabricate the whole thing on this scale is implausible. I think it was a Swiss lab that actually created copies of the virus using the DNA and some means involving yeast to synthesise it because there was a shortage of available samples for labs early on.

 

As I understand it, the issue with not isolating the virus is specific to a particular country where I believe following a freedom of information request found that their own health authorities specifically had not isolated the virus according to a strict definition instead relying on the grapevine (foreign sources).

 

That's more of a technicality rather than an indication that the virus doesn't exist.

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On 10/11/2021 at 12:56 PM, Sensiblejoe said:

The fear porn does work, before I caught this virus I was walking around bullet proof thinking it was full of shit. But after catching this virus, I started questioning and doubting myself have I made the right choices because of the scaremongering from the media. 

 

I've never been so ill, its been 3 weeks now and still weak, but I should be back in work at the end of the week with a tail in between my legs because I am the only unvaccinated in my small group at work and caught this virus, but the double vaxxers haven't caught anything yet. So I will have some stick. 

 

 

 

It could have been any virus or bacteria. It's better not to try to induce people to vaccinate.

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On 11/5/2021 at 8:57 PM, DoTheScience said:

The virus has been isolated and shown to exist. There are a lot of lies in the media about the virus but to be able to fabricate the whole thing on this scale is implausible. I think it was a Swiss lab that actually created copies of the virus using the DNA and some means involving yeast to synthesise it because there was a shortage of available samples for labs early on.

 

As I understand it, the issue with not isolating the virus is specific to a particular country where I believe following a freedom of information request found that their own health authorities specifically had not isolated the virus according to a strict definition instead relying on the grapevine (foreign sources).

 

That's more of a technicality rather than an indication that the virus doesn't exist.

What's worse is that the same people that created this bio weapon are the same people who instantly offered us their pre-made vaccines. Yet, people still took the bait (as they always have done). How can one be so blind and have this much faith in those companies is a question that boggles my mind. Those people are more certain about the "efficacy" of the vaccine than they are about the outcome of 1+1. No questioning, no critical thinking whatsoever. Ironically ready to risk their own lives (as there are proven side effects to many of those vaccines), yet unready to cope with the less than 1% chance of dying to this overrated virus.

With the lock-down things are getting worse, people are losing healthy habits and day to day immunity that they used to gain from the external environment. 

If it's a manufactured virus (which I highly think it is), then I do believe it's at its early stages, because it's still not working as they intend it to be. Once they get a fully functional variant with which they can target specific ethnicities, we will then know who were behind the whole thing. For all I know it could be used to wipe out the Arabs living in/around Israel in order to allow for example the destruction of Al-Aqsa  mosque and its replacement with Solomon's temple. It could also be used against the Chinese and the Russians, but I highly doubt those 2 aren't already prepared for such an event, especially Russia.

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It's very simply explained without the need to be a virology expert. There are practices and procedures for identifying viruses, simply put these have not been followed for covid-19, at least no proof exists and for some reason no one is willing to prove it. What that means is that it is impossible to demonstrate that Covid-19 exists. (This would make creating a vaccine quite a challenge...) Source

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On 10/11/2021 at 6:56 PM, Sensiblejoe said:

The fear porn does work, before I caught this virus I was walking around bullet proof thinking it was full of shit. But after catching this virus, I started questioning and doubting myself have I made the right choices because of the scaremongering from the media. 

 

I've never been so ill, its been 3 weeks now and still weak, but I should be back in work at the end of the week with a tail in between my legs because I am the only unvaccinated in my small group at work and caught this virus, but the double vaxxers haven't caught anything yet. So I will have some stick. 

 

 

I was skeptical but I have reports of people having "COVID", imho a strain of influenza, whatever you want to call it, same thing, no taste and bed ridden, so something is out there, however it came about and why is another subject.

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On 11/5/2021 at 7:57 PM, DoTheScience said:

The virus has been isolated

 

 

This depends on what is meant by "isolation". "Isolation" is just a word.

 

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and shown to exist.

 

This shows that you don't know what you're talking about. For someone who is called "DoTheScience", you apparently have a naive understanding of the nature of science and its language and no grasp on its problems of epistemology. But this is true for most scientists.

 

Viruses are theoretical entities, hypothesised to explain the existence of a set of observable phenomena. The existence of a virus is not logically implied by what is accepted by virologists, according to some convention, as "evidence" of its existence. This is true of all viruses. Koch's postulates are just a strong form of such criteria, but they have long been abandoned in practice because it was found that no virus could ever be shown to fulfill them. So it was necessary to invent weaker ones that would conform to the ever-changing picture of what a virus is and all its attendant ad hoc hypotheses. Necessary that is in order to hang on to, in Kuhnian terms, the research paradigm.

 

In short, no virus has ever been "shown to exist".

 

 

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There are a lot of lies in the media about the virus but to be able to fabricate the whole thing on this scale is implausible. 

 

This is a mere claim. The phenomena in question are not logically dependent for their existence upon the actual existence of a virus. The viral theory is accepted as given and propagated by the scientific community at large as their explanation because that is the dominant, even exclusive, research paradigm. All data deemed relevant are interpreted through it and explained by it, where, if not pre-selected through the lense of the theory and massaged to fit, they are  simply not even taken into account. This is how science operates. Where the science has immediately testable implications and is used to make technology whose utility depends upon its correctness, like classical mechanics and engineering, you get good science. Virology, on the other hand, doesn't work that way. The effectiveness of its products, like a vaccine, has to be taken at the word of its makers and government. It's only made worse once we factor in how political and corporate interests have driven education, research and theorising in these subjects since their inception and the trilions of dollars at stake.

 

As to the "scale", what are you talking about? "Case" numbers are a product of meaningless RT-PCR tests - meaningless because one has to adjust them by the positive prediction rate for the tests (if I test positive, what is the probability I am infected? - this is the meaning of a test and the test is meaningless without that number), which is totally an unknown (estimating it depends upon having a)the confusion matrix for the test and b) the infection rate, both of which depend upon having a gold standard to compare with, which doesn't exist. But if you already knew the infection rate, you wouldn't need to tally cases by RT-PCR tests now, would you? You could work out the estimated number of infections analytically from the total population size)

 

On 11/5/2021 at 7:57 PM, DoTheScience said:

As I understand it, the issue with not isolating the virus is specific to a particular country where I believe following a freedom of information request found that their own health authorities specifically had not isolated the virus according to a strict definition instead relying on the grapevine (foreign sources).

 

No. The issue is that the modern usage of "isolation" and "isolate" in virology doesn't mean what it literally implies and doesn't prove the existence of a virus as the causal agent of "COVID-19".

 

On 11/5/2021 at 7:57 PM, DoTheScience said:

That's more of a technicality rather than an indication that the virus doesn't exist.

 

The real technicality here is calling some process "isolation" and then claiming that something has been "isolated" by undergoing it. That's true because it's a tautology.

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Does any of this really matter? Does this forum really matter? You are FUCKED. Vaccination will be mandatory at gun point if necessary and you only have yourselves to blame.

 

Start an other fucking peaceful protest.

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