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22 minutes ago, kilowon said:

I do not trust the whole Malone hype. He is getting far too much coverage. My controlled opposition spidey sense are tingling. He is here to sell the idea that germ theory is valid to the truth seeking crowds.

 

Yeah mine are too, but along the lines a bit different from yours, not saying you're wrong here but if you watch that whole interview again he is letting out another sub message, and that intrigues me more than the surface message.

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24 minutes ago, bobb said:

 

Yeah mine are too, but along the lines a bit different from yours, not saying you're wrong here but if you watch that whole interview again he is letting out another sub message, and that intrigues me more than the surface message.

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The Laughing Clown is back, I see.

 

Not going to waste my time with this system-serving agent of deception and distraction.

But, by the way...

 

 

"Table Of Iatrogenic Deaths In The United States

(Deaths induced inadvertently by a physician or surgeon or by medical treatment or diagnostic procedures)

Condition Deaths Cost
Billion $s
Author
Adverse Drug Reactions 106,000 12 Lazarou (1) Suh (49)
Medical error 98,000 2 IOM (6)
Bedsores 115,000 55 Xakellis (7) Barczak (8)
Infection 88,000 5 Weinstein (9) MMWR (10)
Malnutrition 108,800 Nurses Coalition (11)
Outpatients 199,000 77 Starfield (12) Weingart (1, 12)
Unnecessary Procedures 37,136 122 HCUP(3, 13)
Surgery-Related 32,000 9 AHRQ(8,5)
TOTAL 783,936 282

We could have an even higher death rate by using Dr. Lucien Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate of 3 million. (14) Multiplied by the fatality rate of 14% (that Leape used in 1994 (16) we arrive at an annual death rate of 420,000 for drug errors and medical errors combined. If we put this number in place of Lazorou's 106,000 drug errors and the Institute of Medicine's (IOM) 98,000 medical errors, we could add another 216,000 deaths making a total of 999,936 deaths annually.

 

ADR/med error 420,000 $200 billion Leape 1997(14)
TOTAL 999,936

Annual Unnecessary Medical Events

Unnecessary Events People Affected
(Millions)
Iatrogenic Events
(Millions)
Hospitalization 8.9 (4) 1.78 (16)
Procedures 7.5 (3) 1.3 (40)
TOTAL 16.4 3.08

The enumerating of unnecessary medical events is very important in our analysis. Any medical procedure that is invasive and not necessary must be considered as part of the larger iatrogenic picture. Unfortunately, cause and effect go unmonitored. The figures on unnecessary events represent people ("patients") who are thrust into a dangerous health care system. They are helpless victims. Each one of these 16.4 million lives is being affected in a way that could have a fatal consequence. Simply entering a hospital could result in the following (out of 16. 4 million people):

  • 2.1% chance of a serious adverse drug reaction (186,000) (1)
  • 5% to 6% chance of acquiring a nosocomial [hospital] infection (489,500) (9)
  • 4% to 36% chance of having an iatrogenic injury in hospital (medical error and adverse drug reactions) (1.78 million) (16)
  • 17% chance of a procedure error (1.3 million) (40)

All the statistics above represent a one-year time span. Imagine the numbers over a 10-year period. Working with the most conservative figures from our statistics we project the following 10-year death rates.

Medical Intervention

Projected Ten-Year Death Rates
Condition 10-Year Deaths
Adverse Drug Reaction 1.06 million
Medical error 0.98 million
Bedsores 1.15 million
Nosocomial Infection 0.88 million
Malnutrition 1.09 million
Outpatients 1.99 million
Unnecessary Procedures 371,360
Surgery-related 320,000
TOTAL 7,841,360 (7.8 million)

Our projected statistic of 7.8 million iatrogenic deaths is more than all the casualties from wars that America has fought in its entire history.

Our projected figures for unnecessary medical events occurring over a 10-year period are also dramatic.

Unnecessary Intervention

Projected Ten-Year Statistics
Unnecessary Events 10-Year Number Iatrogenic Events
Hospitalization 89 million 17 million
Procedures 75 million 13 million
TOTAL 164 million 30 million

These projected figures show that a total of 164 million people, approximately 56% of the population of the United States, have been treated unnecessarily by the medical industry — in other words, nearly 50,000 people per day."

https://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usamed/deaths.htm

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2 minutes ago, novymir said:

The Laughing Clown is back, I see.

 

Not going to waste my time with this system-serving agent of deception and distraction.

But, by the way...

 

 

"Table Of Iatrogenic Deaths In The United States

(Deaths induced inadvertently by a physician or surgeon or by medical treatment or diagnostic procedures)

Condition Deaths Cost
Billion $s
Author
Adverse Drug Reactions 106,000 12 Lazarou (1) Suh (49)
Medical error 98,000 2 IOM (6)
Bedsores 115,000 55 Xakellis (7) Barczak (8)
Infection 88,000 5 Weinstein (9) MMWR (10)
Malnutrition 108,800 Nurses Coalition (11)
Outpatients 199,000 77 Starfield (12) Weingart (1, 12)
Unnecessary Procedures 37,136 122 HCUP(3, 13)
Surgery-Related 32,000 9 AHRQ(8,5)
TOTAL 783,936 282

We could have an even higher death rate by using Dr. Lucien Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate of 3 million. (14) Multiplied by the fatality rate of 14% (that Leape used in 1994 (16) we arrive at an annual death rate of 420,000 for drug errors and medical errors combined. If we put this number in place of Lazorou's 106,000 drug errors and the Institute of Medicine's (IOM) 98,000 medical errors, we could add another 216,000 deaths making a total of 999,936 deaths annually.

 

ADR/med error 420,000 $200 billion Leape 1997(14)
TOTAL 999,936

Annual Unnecessary Medical Events

Unnecessary Events People Affected
(Millions)
Iatrogenic Events
(Millions)
Hospitalization 8.9 (4) 1.78 (16)
Procedures 7.5 (3) 1.3 (40)
TOTAL 16.4 3.08

The enumerating of unnecessary medical events is very important in our analysis. Any medical procedure that is invasive and not necessary must be considered as part of the larger iatrogenic picture. Unfortunately, cause and effect go unmonitored. The figures on unnecessary events represent people ("patients") who are thrust into a dangerous health care system. They are helpless victims. Each one of these 16.4 million lives is being affected in a way that could have a fatal consequence. Simply entering a hospital could result in the following (out of 16. 4 million people):

  • 2.1% chance of a serious adverse drug reaction (186,000) (1)
  • 5% to 6% chance of acquiring a nosocomial [hospital] infection (489,500) (9)
  • 4% to 36% chance of having an iatrogenic injury in hospital (medical error and adverse drug reactions) (1.78 million) (16)
  • 17% chance of a procedure error (1.3 million) (40)

All the statistics above represent a one-year time span. Imagine the numbers over a 10-year period. Working with the most conservative figures from our statistics we project the following 10-year death rates.

Medical Intervention

Projected Ten-Year Death Rates
Condition 10-Year Deaths
Adverse Drug Reaction 1.06 million
Medical error 0.98 million
Bedsores 1.15 million
Nosocomial Infection 0.88 million
Malnutrition 1.09 million
Outpatients 1.99 million
Unnecessary Procedures 371,360
Surgery-related 320,000
TOTAL 7,841,360 (7.8 million)

Our projected statistic of 7.8 million iatrogenic deaths is more than all the casualties from wars that America has fought in its entire history.

Our projected figures for unnecessary medical events occurring over a 10-year period are also dramatic.

Unnecessary Intervention

Projected Ten-Year Statistics
Unnecessary Events 10-Year Number Iatrogenic Events
Hospitalization 89 million 17 million
Procedures 75 million 13 million
TOTAL 164 million 30 million

These projected figures show that a total of 164 million people, approximately 56% of the population of the United States, have been treated unnecessarily by the medical industry — in other words, nearly 50,000 people per day."

https://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usamed/deaths.htm

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My ultimate take on this.

 

Viruses are not poisons as the latin definition would insist they are.

This definition, ( inversion of reality) fits perfectly with the death cult agenda, currently being played out courtesy of Gates/Schwab/WHO

 

According to the above  lunatics, in order to counter this particular Covid virus , (defined as a poison),  we need to jab the world with a real killer poison -  a patented bioweapon, re- labelled as a vaccine.

 

This fake pandemic is little more than the common cold.

 

The common cold is the bodies natural reaction to the toxic shite it has been exposed to from its environment.

 

This will include amongst other  things , the junk in your food, any modern pharmeceuticals you have taken and microwave radiation.

 

In order to expel such toxins our body will create mucus. It will heat itself up.

 

It will use all of the natural divine systems we were given upon birth .

 

Somewhere along the way, some very sick energy has managed to convince people that a natural biological process is a killer virus

 

This complete evil house of cards will fall to bits once enough people understand this.

 

 

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9 hours ago, MarcusOmouse said:

This fake pandemic is little more than the common cold.

I'm interested in the Germ Theory vs. Terrain Theory debate and the possibilities of Radiation Poisoning.

 

My main question is, why is the flu always happening in the winter?

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10 hours ago, PatriotGirl said:

I'm interested in the Germ Theory vs. Terrain Theory debate and the possibilities of Radiation Poisoning.

 

My main question is, why is the flu always happening in the winter?

There are more flu cases in winter, but flu happens all throughout the years. I live in Seychelles, as tropical as it get, but we have more flu at the end of the year too despite it being warmer generally.

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10 hours ago, PatriotGirl said:

I'm interested in the Germ Theory vs. Terrain Theory debate and the possibilities of Radiation Poisoning.

 

My main question is, why is the flu always happening in the winter?

Hi PG

 

My bodies own toxic cleansing regime tends to take place bianually.  I believe this is related to seasonal changes, since they tend to occur at the onset of winter and the onset of summer ( Im sure your familiar with the term "summer cold")

 

FWIW I think that EM radiation plays a big part in our bodies need to detoxify itself, given that we are all essentially a biological frequency field, which has been long proven in countless studie to be adversely affected by EM radiation.

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17 minutes ago, MarcusOmouse said:

Hi PG

 

My bodies own toxic cleansing regime tends to take place bianually.  I believe this is related to seasonal changes, since they tend to occur at the onset of winter and the onset of summer ( Im sure your familiar with the term "summer cold")

 

FWIW I think that EM radiation plays a big part in our bodies need to detoxify itself, given that we are all essentially a biological frequency field, which has been long proven in countless studie to be adversely affected by EM radiation.

Seasonal changes having an effect of the flu sounds plausible. I will keep this in mind.

 

Radiation is bad, but I think the flu has been around longer then any kind of radio technology. I'm taking Iodine drops to protect myself from radiation and I'm moving to a area without 5G towers next week.

 

I bought this book recently. I hope to get around reading it soon.

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On 8/28/2020 at 2:15 PM, MaryCochrane said:

I believe that the covid virus has not been isolated listening to David and I was busy letting people know it wasn't iscolated and someone sent me this link. Can anyone tell me if its reliable? Thanks 

https://sunnybrook.ca/research/media/item.asp?c=2&i=2069&f=covid-19-isolated-2020&fbclid=IwAR21EAOY3aU_dKGXdNpujJLU0pg4jUUpC2gUGfrM8BN2laTm4c4bl-NCg1Y#.XmsmoGqClHs.twitter

 

Has any virus ever been isolated?

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13 hours ago, PatriotGirl said:

I'm interested in the Germ Theory vs. Terrain Theory debate and the possibilities of Radiation Poisoning.

 

My main question is, why is the flu always happening in the winter?

 

This is a good question, and I think it relates to the lack of vitamin D3, have a look at Dr Ryan Cole, and others, as it also explains why people of darker skin complexion have suffered more than those of a lighter skin, makes perfect sense to me, as for why these things are triggered, well that could just be about anything that has allowed the transmission, if you look at it from a mechanical perspective then it is simply the mechanism that allows these things to propagate, so basically, no mechanism = no transmission = no disease, and the environment is playing a very large role with respect to these things.

Also I have an alternate theory of what is going on with respect to convid19.

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14 minutes ago, bobb said:

 

This is a good question, and I think it relates to the lack of vitamin D3, have a look at Dr Ryan Cole, and others, as it also explains why people of darker skin complexion have suffered more than those of a lighter skin, makes perfect sense to me, as for why these things are triggered, well that could just be about anything that has allowed the transmission, if you look at it from a mechanical perspective then it is simply the mechanism that allows these things to propagate, so basically, no mechanism = no transmission = no disease, and the environment is playing a very large role with respect to these things.

Also I have an alternate theory of what is going on with respect to convid19.

Yes, Vitamin D plays a role. People on ICU's with Covid all seem to have Vitamin D deficiency. 

I've heard people with darker skin are more likely to suffer from Vitamin D deficiency when they live in the northern hemisphere but when I asked my black friends they say they never heard of it.  I take Vitamin D3 with my supplements.

 

What's your alternate theory?

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33 minutes ago, PatriotGirl said:

Yes, Vitamin D plays a role. People on ICU's with Covid all seem to have Vitamin D deficiency. 

I've heard people with darker skin are more likely to suffer from Vitamin D deficiency when they live in the northern hemisphere but when I asked my black friends they say they never heard of it.  I take Vitamin D3 with my supplements.

 

What's your alternate theory?

 

It's to do with chemtrails, the disease of covid19 exists but the cause is not a virus in my opinion, have a look at my rambling nonsense here:

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/24007-100000-year-milankovitch-cycle-peaking-2024is-this-the-reason-why-they-are-locking-down-the-human-race/&do=findComment&comment=369110

 

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5 minutes ago, bobb said:

It's to do with chemtrails, the disease of covid19 exists but the cause is not a virus in my opinion, have a look at my rambling nonsense here:

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/24007-100000-year-milankovitch-cycle-peaking-2024is-this-the-reason-why-they-are-locking-down-the-human-race/&do=findComment&comment=369110

I will save this for later reading. I'm looking into (5G) radiation poisoning causing covid like symptoms. Maybe we can discus that too at a later time.

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When "covid" was first "discovered", my immediate thought was hmmm, those sound exactly like the effects of (4G/5G) radiation (which I've been writing and talking about for years). And Wuhan was one of the earliest epicentres of the 5G launch.

 

Somehow all that got lost in the months and months of government/media gaslighting and turning everyone into neurotic virtue-signallers willing to suffocate and inject themselves at the altar of "following the science"...

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On 1/3/2022 at 6:56 AM, PatriotGirl said:

I'm interested in the Germ Theory vs. Terrain Theory debate and the possibilities of Radiation Poisoning.

 

My main question is, why is the flu always happening in the winter?

"Happy hypoxia" is certainly induced by radiation poisoning.

 

As for seasonal flu, the mycotoxins that black mould produces are recognised to cause flu symptoms in the 25% of the population with a gene variant that means they lack the ability to efficiently clear the toxins from their system.  Seasonal flu is also recognised to correlate with humidity, which would mean it correlates with the release of spores by mould.  Mould releases spores that are like microscopic versions of dandelion seeds (they catch the breeze with their flowery parachute-like appendages) and are easily inhaled.

 

It happens in the winter because that is when moisture (which is not just water but our sugar-laced breath) condenses on walls and feeds the mould.  Air-conditioning systems in warmer countries that make it cool inside can contribute too.

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Open Letter To Steve Kirsch, January 10, 2022

Published on January 15, 2022

Written by fluoridefreepeel.ca

 

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You’ve published a blog titled “Has the virus been isolated? Yes“.

 

You go on to clarify that you actually have no idea if this is true, and that your title is based on faith in certain individuals:

I rely on expert opinions of people who I trust for certain issues like whether or not the virus has been “isolated.” It’s a reasonable approach if you are careful about which experts you trust. All of the expert friends I’ve asked (including Robert Malone and Li-Meng Yan) tell me that “the virus has been isolated.” So it has been “isolated” according to their belief in what the term means.

Hmm.  Well I personally don’t rely on other people’s beliefs – especially people with a long history involving many millions of dollars with the so-called “vaccine” industry that claims to protect us from alleged “viruses”.

Now to your credit, you did disclose that “isolate” means different things to a virologist versus a regular man or woman, or a scientist.  But you didn’t explain to your readers what “isolate” actually means to a virologist.  I think it’s important for the public to know.  Don’t you agree?

Here’s an example, from researchers at the CDC:

“We used Vero CCL-81 cells for isolation and initial passage. We cultured Vero E6, Vero CCL-81, HUH 7.0, 293T, A549, and EFKB3 cells in Dulbecco minimal essential medium (DMEM) supplemented with heat-inactivated fetal bovine serum (5 percent or 10 percent) and antibiotics/antimycotics… We used both NP and OP swab specimens for virus isolation.

For isolation, limiting dilution, and passage 1 of the virus, we pipetted 50 μL of serum-free DMEM into columns 2–12 of a 96-well tissue culture plate, then pipetted 100 μL of clinical specimens into column 1 and serially diluted 2-fold across the plate. We then trypsinized and resuspended Vero cells in DMEM containing 10% fetal bovine serum, 2× penicillin/streptomycin, 2× antibiotics/antimycotics, and 2× amphotericin B at a concentration of 2.5 × 105 cells/mL.

We added 100 μL of cell suspension directly to the clinical specimen dilutions and mixed gently by pipetting. We then grew the inoculated cultures in a humidified 37°C incubator in an atmosphere of five percent CO2 and observed for cytopathic effects (CPEs) daily. We used standard plaque assays for SARS-CoV-2, which were based on SARS-CoV and Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) protocols…

When CPEs [Cytopathic effects aka harm to the monkey cells] were observed, we scraped cell monolayers with the back of a pipette tip. We used 50 μL of viral lysate for total nucleic acid extraction for confirmatory testing and sequencing. We also used 50 μL of virus lysate to inoculate a well of a 90 percent confluent 24-well plate.“

I’ve had to submit a FOIA request to the CDC for details of the vaguely referenced “mock infected cells” used in this study.

But the Methods that are available from Harcourt et al. (and all other “SARS-COV-2 isolation” studies) make clear that “isolation” to Robert Malone and anyone else who insists “yes, the virus has been isolated” means combining monkey kidney cells (aka “Vero” cells, or some other cell line) with fetal bovine serum, patient specimens and toxic drugs, and then irrationally, unscientifically attributing any resulting harm to the poisoned monkey cells (which are typically also malnourished by the researchers) to “the virus”.

Nothing is isolated as per the meaning of the word to regular humans, not even from the monkey/cow/human mixture.

And since no one on the planet has managed to cite or provide any record describing isolation/purification of the alleged “virus” or any “variant” from any patient sample, by anyone, anywhere, ever (which you seem to realize based on your repeated references to the FOIA collection that is publicly available on my website and now contains failures from 156 institutions in roughly 30 countries) it’s quite clear that no science has ever been carried out with the theoretical “virus”.

No one, including Sabine Hazan and the CDC researchers, has ever extracted genetic material from a purified sample of the alleged “virus” so that they could sequence “it” and characterize “it” to find out if the alleged RNA genome of 30,000 base pairs with a spiky protein shell actually exists.  And no one, including Sabine Hazan and the CDC researchers, has performed fully controlled experiments to see if the alleged “it” actually spreads disease via natural modes of exposure.  Because virology is not a science.

Since you brought up the curious “science” of Dr. Sabine Hazan, I’ll share with you the bizarre email exchange I had with Sabine that went off the rails as soon as I pointed out the blatant flaws in her same paper that you have cited.

Steve, I have a question for you.  Regarding the expensive products that you promote and refer to as “virus” to your readers, have you ever read the descriptions of these products to find out what they actually contain?

From EVA’s product description:

“Infectious cell culture supernatant containing BetaCoV/France/IDF0372/2020, clade 19A…. Unit definition: one vial.. 2 000,00 € (Cost per access for Academics).”

Regarding the ATCC and other products that you’ve promoted, Dr. Saeed A. Qureshi, PhD, who spent 30+ years with Health Canada conducting hands-on and multi-disciplinary laboratory research in pharmaceuticals regulatory assessment and is an internationally recognized expert in pharmacokinetics, biopharmaceutics, drug dissolution testing, and analytical chemistry, felt the need to publish a warning: Buyer Beware! 

“For $1200, what’s the customer really buying? A diluted human mucus/phlegm/mucus from swab samples with all kinds of added chemicals (30+), including African green monkey kidney cell (Vero cells) broth. In short, they are faking it and lying all the way with confidence and authority!”

Steve, last year I tracked down the origin of the so-called “SARS-COV-2 isolate” that is referred to as “MUC-IMB1” aka “BavPat1” and sold by companies like EVA (also for 2 000,00 € per vial).  It turned out to be just more of what I call “monkey-business fraud”, in this case courtesy of the infamous team of Corman and Drosten.  Never shown to have anything to do with “a virus”.

Maybe it’s time you do your own due diligence instead of repeating the wild unsubstantiated claims of your trusted experts, none of whom can prove the existence of any alleged virus in the complete and utter absence of any purified samples of such.

Best wishes,
Christine Massey, M.Sc.
Peterborough, Ontario, Canada

See more here: fluoridefreepeel.ca

 

 

So, no, it hasn't been purified and isolated.

 

 

 

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On 12/26/2021 at 10:10 PM, GeoffB said:

Why do you choose to believe discredited people like Lanka, Kaufman, Cowan, Bailey etc. who have no proof whatsoever that "viruses do not exist"?

 

Why don't you believe the highly qualified people who are fighting against the tyranny of the Covid lies and dangerous experimental jabs like Judy Mikovits, Mike Yeadon, Andrew Wakefield etc?

 

On 12/29/2021 at 7:20 AM, GeoffB said:

So what?

 

1) They soon had plenty of "isolated" samples available (in the scientific sense NOT the dictionary sense) so it is a non-story.

 

2) The very early computer generated gene sequence from partial sequencing was subsequently found to be exactly the same as the "real" gene sequence after it had been laboriously whole gene sequenced now over 6 million times so it's a non-story.

 

3) They didn't have a clinical specimen at that time but they had the gene sequence to develop the PCR test so it's a non-story.

 

This was all early in the so-called pandemic and scientists were rushing to discover the characteristics of SARS-CoV-2.

The Corman-Drosten RT-PCR test was highly specific and highly accurate at detecting "only" SARS-CoV-2 but has been slightly improved.

A number of "life-scientists" questioned the accuracy of the original paper to Eurosurveillance where it was first published.

Six independent scientists reviewed the complaints and dismissed them all.

 

It's a non-story.

 

It seems to me as though GeoffB is contradicting himself with these two statements.

 

On the one hand, GeoffB is singing the praises of the highly qualified Dr Michael Yeadon, but on the other hand dismisses Yeadon's criticism of the Corman-Drosten protocol as a "non-story".

 

Are you not aware GeoffB that Dr Michael Yeadon was one of the 22 "life scientists", to use your terminology, who challenged the Corman Drosten protocol?

 

https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/

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20 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

On the one hand, GeoffB is singing the praises of the highly qualified Dr Michael Yeadon, but on the other hand dismisses Yeadon's criticism of the Corman-Drosten protocol as a "non-story".

 

Are you not aware GeoffB that Dr Michael Yeadon was one of the 22 "life scientists", to use your terminology, who challenged the Corman Drosten protocol?

 

Thanks @Mitochondrial Eve but unfortunately Geoff will not be able to answer your question. 🤫

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