Has the virus been isolated and does it exist?

[bobb]

18 hours ago, bobb said:

Please remember everyone that the term COVID-19 relates to the disease aspect not the alleged, VIRUS, which in my opinion does not exist, it is only the disease that exists and that can be from:

Virological

Biological

Fungal

Chemical

Psychological

My personal opinion is it involves Biological, Chemical and probably more importantly Psychological.

 

Here you go gov.corp.troll.org, start from the beginning, and learn the meanings of WORDS, before you reply with your garbage!!!

[GeoffB]

The standard of posts on this thread is getting worse.

[bobb]

Just now, GeoffB said:

The standard of posts on this thread is getting worse.

 

Yawn, I always thought education was in retro mode, now I am certain.

[MarcusOmouse]

26 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

The standard of posts on this thread is getting worse.

 

Indeed it is.

 

And this is the resutlt.

 

Stand proud Geoff.

 

https://davidicke.com/2021/12/29/mass-murderer-fauci-mass-murderers-at-the-cdc-fda-and-britains-mhra-mass-murderers-whitty-johnson-hancock-javid-this-is-what-you-have-done-you-heartless-psychopaths-this-is-what-you-have-cov/

[GeoffB]

38 minutes ago, MarcusOmouse said:

 

Indeed it is.

 

And this is the resutlt.

 

Stand proud Geoff.

 

https://davidicke.com/2021/12/29/mass-murderer-fauci-mass-murderers-at-the-cdc-fda-and-britains-mhra-mass-murderers-whitty-johnson-hancock-javid-this-is-what-you-have-done-you-heartless-psychopaths-this-is-what-you-have-cov/

You can't seem to get it through your tiny mind even though I have said it many times that I agree that the experimental jabs are an abomination and should be withdrawn and people need to be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

However, where I differ from David Icke is that the virus is real and probably created in a lab.

People like you have a knee-jerk reaction to anyone who is against this Covid scam BUT dares to point out that "the emperor has no clothes".

Viruses are real and cause disease, period.

[bobb]

15 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

You can't seem to get it through your tiny mind even though I have said it many times that I agree that the experimental jabs are an abomination and should be withdrawn and people need to be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

However, where I differ from David Icke is that the virus is real and probably created in a lab.

People like you have a knee-jerk reaction to anyone who is against this Covid scam BUT dares to point out that "the emperor has no clothes".

Viruses are real and cause disease, period.

 

Sorry, sorry, is there anything going on between those Britney Spears of yours, I am off to find another video which you may have seen, I don't know, but I fall down thinking that everyone else is up to speed, but alas this does not seem to be the case, back in a mo!

[MarcusOmouse]

16 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

You can't seem to get it through your tiny mind even though I have said it many times that I agree that the experimental jabs are an abomination and should be withdrawn and people need to be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

However, where I differ from David Icke is that the virus is real and probably created in a lab.

People like you have a knee-jerk reaction to anyone who is against this Covid scam BUT dares to point out that "the emperor has no clothes".

Viruses are real and cause disease, period.

Like I already said Geoff - stand proud.

 

Mass murdering lunatics are committing genocide based upon a theory that you consistently endorse.

 

Stand proud.

[bobb]

I do hope you have seen this footage of the great and illustrious among us who admit they have no idea what they are doing, and know idea that there was a camera rolling when admitting it about vaccines!!!

And don't forget Del Bigtree was the one who championed Dr Andrew Wakefield when all of the system slung him out on his arse for speaking truth!!!

 

[bobb]

1 hour ago, GeoffB said:

Viruses are real and cause disease, period.

I am not arguing that point, but you can not have your cake and eat it in these circumstances, so if it is SARS-CoV-2 then it is BIOLOGICAL WARFARE BEING WAGED AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY, and fuk any other country just yet as we need to get our house in order FIRST, and we need to stop injecting people!!!, as all they are doing is hiding the TRUTH  via these INJECTIONS!!!

[Grumpy Owl]

23 hours ago, GeoffB said:

How else can the veracity of their claims be judged?

 

Well you are not going to get any fair judgement from any 'system-serving' scientists, paid to maintain and toe the 'official narrative'.

 

I guess you haven't really read many of David Icke's books, otherwise you'd understand what he thinks about 'The System'.

 

He may be right or wrong about whether viruses exist or not, but the fact that you so vociferously defend and quote 'mainsteam science' so matter-of-factly makes me question what your intentions here are.

[GeoffB]

19 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

Well you are not going to get any fair judgement from any 'system-serving' scientists, paid to maintain and toe the 'official narrative'.

 

I guess you haven't really read many of David Icke's books, otherwise you'd understand what he thinks about 'The System'.

 

He may be right or wrong about whether viruses exist or not, but the fact that you so vociferously defend and quote 'mainsteam science' so matter-of-factly makes me question what your intentions here are.

I have read most of David Ickes's books and have always agreed with him.

Unfortunately he has dug a big hole for himself for being seduced by Kaufman and saying that "viruses do not exist".

It is also a big stick for people to beat him with.

I defended his reptilian entity theory but saying that "viruses do not exist" is a huge mistake.

Lanka, Kaufman, Cowan, Bailey, Icke, Rappoport, Adams etc. have divided the alternative movement against this Covid tyranny with their ridiculous claim that "viruses do not exist".

Modern virology has overwhelming evidence that viruses do exist.

[GeoffB]

2 hours ago, MarcusOmouse said:

Like I already said Geoff - stand proud.

 

Mass murdering lunatics are committing genocide based upon a theory that you consistently endorse.

 

Stand proud.

I stand proud next to Andrew Wakefield, Mike Yeadon, Judy Mikovits, Del Bigtree, David Martin etc. etc. who are all fighting against this Covid tyranny and who all know that viruses exist and can cause disease.

[bobb]

52 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

I stand proud next to Andrew Wakefield, Mike Yeadon, Judy Mikovits, Del Bigtree, David Martin etc. etc. who are all fighting against this Covid tyranny and who all know that viruses exist and can cause disease.

 

You know you're more annoying than me, you answer everything except the question.

[zArk]

9 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Modern virology has overwhelming evidence that viruses do exist.

You're taking the mickey

[GeoffB]

3 hours ago, zArk said:

You're taking the mickey

As I said "Modern virology has overwhelming evidence that viruses do exist."

 

Viruses have been proved to exist by modern virology through experiments with a living isolated single human cell infected with a virus and shown to infect a different living healthy human cell without the virus. (Modern Virologists have always known that viruses cannot be “isolated” or “purified” in the dictionary sense of the word as viruses are only evident when attached to a living cell). Mock controls are done in almost every case using the same known liquid suspension or substrate. The experiment is written up in a scientific paper for peer review. Just search the internet for “virus cell culture paper” for thousands of these papers. No paper has had to be retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist via modern electron microscopy and photographed showing the virus which is similar but different to an exosome. Just search the internet for “virus cell culture paper”, Images. Again no paper has been retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist via modern whole gene sequencing (which is the preferred method of identification) of all of the base pairs. SARS-CoV-2 and it’s variants have 29,903 base pairs which have been laboriously whole gene sequenced (it takes 4 to 5 days and NOT computer generated) and uploaded to the GISAID Initiative over 6 million times. Again no paper has been retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist via PCR tests which are highly specific and accurate in detecting a unique long gene sequence fragment of the virus you want to detect. It is not so good at diagnosing infection as the virus detected maybe dead fragments and not viable which can only be done by cell culture in a wet lab. However, the CT rate if low is an indication of infectability. (Although PCR tests are incredibly accurate it all depends on the Quality Control measures in the labs. The Lighthouse labs for mass testing in the UK have poor Quality Control and produce many “false positives”). Again no paper has been retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist in the German courts in the infamous Lanka v Bardens case where all the judges and experts agreed that the measles virus was real. (Lanka weaseled himself out of paying the 100,000euro bet by persuading the court that it was proved by “six” scientific papers and not “one” that he had asked for).

 

There has been no scientific paper, even a pre-print or one not peer reviewed, that has ever suggested that viruses do not exist.

 

Unlike thousands of sceptical climate scientists questioning man made global warming there has been no retired virologist or otherwise with nothing to lose in coming forward with any doubts about “viruses existing”. There have been no death bed confessions from modern virologists. There have been no scientific papers suggesting viruses do not exist. This indicates that viruses are real and do exist as has been proved by the methods already stated.
 

[Daithi]

5 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Viruses have been proved to exist by modern virology through experiments with a living isolated single human cell infected with a virus and shown to infect a different living healthy human cell without the virus.

 

I'm intrigued as to what your definition of a virus is? IMHO It's a shit label these days because people are bandying it about to describe different things and then we are potentially arguing about apples and pears.

 

Here's my take on respiratory RNA viruses based on my personal research:

 

1.An RNA molecule is considered the virus. It is an inert sequence of genetic information

2. The inert virus enters through the airways of a healthy person having been breathed out previously by another infected person

3. The virus initiates a replication process of itself

4. Somehow this results in a spike protein which exits the host cell

4. This bit is sketchy to me but in a healthy person the spike protein exists and does not infect other cells?

5. In a person with a compromised immune system the spike proteins attach to neighbouring cells and the damage results in disease

[zArk]

7 hours ago, GeoffB said:

As I said "Modern virology has overwhelming evidence that viruses do exist."

 

Clearly you have a belief that slapping a term like 'science'  or 'ology' around immediately grants the 'field' impartiality.

 

Its basis is never questioned by virologists i.e RNA, the cell, cell wall, cell shape, cell contents

 

The procedure to produce a viewable cell is actually creating the cell that is viewed. It is not the same as viewing the actual living cell.

Chemicals are added which alter the cell structure, shape and contents.

 

In their eagerness the architects of the cell have created a faux basis to virology , biology and bio-chemistry.

 

The majority structure of the world, the dominating philosophy is make believe. Its a fabrication and this is where the power emerges. It is their rules, their game and they can change it anytime they wish because its all fake.

 

RNA has only been found in muscle cell samples. The field then extrapolated it to all cells in the body.

There was a complete refusal to stop and rethink the entire procedure of creating samples.

RNA is an artifact. It doesnt existing in living biology.

Vaccine technology is junk / deadly science

[Daithi]

Quote

Difference Between Virus and Virion

Although the terms' virus and virion may seem interchangeable, they are different and have unique variations.

• A virus is a non-cellular, obligate parasite that is self-replicating inside a specific host cell. On the contrary, virion is another form of a virus.

• A virus is the nucleoprotein particle, whereas virion is the active, infectious form of the virus.

• A virus consists of a genetic material covered by a protein capsid, and it does not display any metabolic activity. On the other hand, Virion is the vector stage of a virus that allows the transmission of the virus from an infected host cell to another host cell. 

• The virus is the extracellular phase, whereas the virion is the intracellular phase of the virus.

• A virus is comparatively more prominent than a vision.

• The shape ranges of viruses are – helical, icosahedral, prolate, envelope, and complex. On the other hand, a virion is usually spheroidal or rod-shaped.

 

Terms are important.

 

https://www.vedantu.com/biology/virion

 

So far I have only seen electron microscope images of SARS-CoV2 virions.

 

So far I have only seen published papers that introduce SARS-CoV2 virions into a cell culture to demonstrate pathological effects of those virions.

 

So far I have only seen theoretical ideas about viruses being the origin of those virions.

 

So far @GeoffBhas only been talking about Virions. All of the science around SARS-CoV2 Virions may well be valid and true but it is never demonstrating the morphogenesis of an RNA virus.

 

The RNA virus of the SARS-CoV2 pathogen has never been isolated or created to then demonstrate to have infectious transmission.

 

All of the stuff out there starts at the Virion stage only, never before that.

[Grumpy Owl]

22 hours ago, GeoffB said:

Modern virology has overwhelming evidence that viruses do exist.

 

Amazingly I have some evidence of my own that viruses do exist:

That is an actual picture of a virus, and anyone who says otherwise is a 'dangerous lunatic' and must be discredited.

 

That is sadly how this all works, goodbye and happy new year.

 

[sleepos2]

39 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

Amazingly I have some evidence of my own that viruses do exist:

That is an actual picture of a virus, and anyone who says otherwise is a 'dangerous lunatic' and must be discredited.

 

That is sadly how this all works, goodbye and happy new year.

 

 

There really is only ONE way to sort this out for good.

 

Build a miniaturizing machine like in the film Inner Space (or Honey I shrunk the Kids) and go inside the human body (not mine) to see what's going on. We could also insert GeoffB and anyone who doubts him (I don't btw) to see what funky shit is going on with the vaccines.

 

We could also build a Delorean time machine and make sure Boris Johnson ends up working in a cornflake production facility.

 

Happy New Year (not sure about the Happy bit).

Edited December 31, 2021 by sleepos2

[MarcusOmouse]

48 minutes ago, sleepos2 said:

 

There really is only ONE way to sort this out for good.

 

Build a miniaturizing machine like in the film Inner Space (or Honey I shrunk the Kids) and go inside the human body (not mine) to see what's going on. We could also insert GeoffB and anyone who doubts him (I don't btw) to see what funky shit is going on with the vaccines.

 

We could also build a Delorean time machine and make sure Boris Johnson ends up working in a cornflake production facility.

 

Happy New Year (not sure about the Happy bit).

Thats a pretty mindblowing  way to represent the upside down world reality that we are experiencing.

[MarcusOmouse]

This entire virus stupidity will only end, when  people learn to live with the common cold.

 

It happens either once or twice a year.

 

What happens is that the human body is cleansing itself of the environmental toxins it has recently experienced

 

A fever, coughing etc

 

In my case it's probably mostly induced by smoking

 

Its nature in action

 

Big pharma have turned nature on it's head.  They are blaming a natural cleanse as the cause of disease.

 

They follow up this inversion by injecting you with a bioweapon

 

You  kinda get this or you don't

[bobb]

And I think this interview with Dr Robert Malone is the beginning of the end for these insane injections!

 

[kilowon]

On 12/31/2021 at 1:17 AM, GeoffB said:

I have read most of David Ickes's books and have always agreed with him.

Unfortunately he has dug a big hole for himself for being seduced by Kaufman and saying that "viruses do not exist".

It is also a big stick for people to beat him with.

I defended his reptilian entity theory but saying that "viruses do not exist" is a huge mistake.

Lanka, Kaufman, Cowan, Bailey, Icke, Rappoport, Adams etc. have divided the alternative movement against this Covid tyranny with their ridiculous claim that "viruses do not exist".

Modern virology has overwhelming evidence that viruses do exist.

Did  I not ask you on the other post what you agree with Icke with and you refuse to answer. What do you mean by defending his reptilian theory? Modern virology is hot air and you know it. But you cannot admit that to yourself

[kilowon]

16 hours ago, bobb said:

And I think this interview with Dr Robert Malone is the beginning of the end for these insane injections!

 

I do not trust the whole Malone hype. He is getting far too much coverage. My controlled opposition spidey sense are tingling. He is here to sell the idea that germ theory is valid to the truth seeking crowds.