Has the virus been isolated and does it exist?

[bamboozooka]

https://rightsfreedoms.wordpress.com/2021/08/06/fda-document-admits-covid-pcr-test-was-developed-without-isolated-samples-for-test-calibration-effectively-admitting-its-testing-something-else/

 

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

 

1. no quantified isolate available

2. used something from a gene bank

3. to mimic specimen

 

pg41

 

[GeoffB]

8 hours ago, bamboozooka said:

https://rightsfreedoms.wordpress.com/2021/08/06/fda-document-admits-covid-pcr-test-was-developed-without-isolated-samples-for-test-calibration-effectively-admitting-its-testing-something-else/

 

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

 

1. no quantified isolate available

2. used something from a gene bank

3. to mimic specimen

 

pg41

 

So what?

 

1) They soon had plenty of "isolated" samples available (in the scientific sense NOT the dictionary sense) so it is a non-story.

 

2) The very early computer generated gene sequence from partial sequencing was subsequently found to be exactly the same as the "real" gene sequence after it had been laboriously whole gene sequenced now over 6 million times so it's a non-story.

 

3) They didn't have a clinical specimen at that time but they had the gene sequence to develop the PCR test so it's a non-story.

 

This was all early in the so-called pandemic and scientists were rushing to discover the characteristics of SARS-CoV-2.

The Corman-Drosten RT-PCR test was highly specific and highly accurate at detecting "only" SARS-CoV-2 but has been slightly improved.

A number of "life-scientists" questioned the accuracy of the original paper to Eurosurveillance where it was first published.

Six independent scientists reviewed the complaints and dismissed them all.

 

It's a non-story.

[bamboozooka]

stick to your own echo chamber jeff.

[GeoffB]

2 hours ago, bamboozooka said:

stick to your own echo chamber jeff.

Don't you want to hear the truth?

[MarcusOmouse]

20 hours ago, Apotheosis said:

I will also argue that there is not only an astonishing lack of experimental (not anecdotal, "common sense" or epidemiological!) evidence  for the hypothesis that viral infection makes human beings contagious to one another but that in many cases the proposed mechanism of infection has been effectively falsified, such as is the case with influenza. The complete failure of experiments to transmit influenza from one person to another is simply baffling if the viral hypothesis is true for the disease. 

Thanks for this breath of fresh air.

 

You simply cannot prove a lie to be true.

 

But  as Goebels famously said, If you repeat it often enough, you can make it seem true.

 

Cue Geoff.

 

Edited to add that the entire foundation of this Global takeover is based on the premise that viruses ( which do exist ) are the cause of disease.

 

Blow that very spurious claim with zero supporting evidence out of the water and the entire house of cards, upon which this entire Covid narrative is based, collapses into oblivion.

Edited December 29, 2021 by MarcusOmouse

[GeoffB]

1 hour ago, MarcusOmouse said:

Edited to add that the entire foundation of this Global takeover is based on the premise that viruses ( which do exist ) are the cause of disease.

There is overwhelming evidence that viruses sometimes cause disease.

 

[MarcusOmouse]

1 hour ago, GeoffB said:

There is overwhelming evidence that viruses sometimes cause disease.

 

That enough people have been fooled enough to believe  Covid19 is one of them, is the reason our civilization is currently in the mess it is..

 

Congratulations on perpetuating it and making a brighter future for our children.

[zArk]

23 hours ago, Nathan Oakley said:

ANSWER THE QUESTION

 

So is chicken pox a virus or a bacteria?

And same with Rabies

 

 

better to try and evidence viral theory claims ... oops they tried that for hundred + years and have failed failed failed

 

rabies .. jeeze .. always the last call for the virus crowd

 

theres no proof of claim. There is only assumption and presumption dominating with an unhealthy dose of dogma ontop.

 

 

 

 

[Grumpy Owl]

12 hours ago, GeoffB said:

A number of "life-scientists" questioned the accuracy of the original paper to Eurosurveillance where it was first published.

Six independent scientists reviewed the complaints and dismissed them all.

 

It's a non-story.

 

Just like that!

 

"Nothing to see here, move along..."

[zArk]

2 hours ago, GeoffB said:

There is overwhelming evidence that viruses sometimes cause disease.

nonsense, there is no virus.

There is no 'cell' virus and there is no RNA virus because RNA is junk science created from junk methodology. the claimed RNA has only ever been documented from muscle cells which had undergone necrosis and were chemically altered during preparation for study.

 

Its all presumption and assumption with crafted methodology and manipulated data.

 

Disease is the bodies inability to maintain cell health and  replace & clean up toxic cells.

This inability is caused by stress : physical, chemical and emotional.

 

There is no outside invading organism/data . the system of fear has had its time. it is time to move on and embrace  positive self-reflective wellness

Edited December 29, 2021 by zArk

[GeoffB]

2 hours ago, MarcusOmouse said:

 

That enough people have been fooled enough to believe  Covid19 is one of them, is the reason our civilization is currently in the mess it is..

 

Congratulations on perpetuating it and making a brighter future for our children.

As I have said countless times Covid has been blown out of all proportion and is being used by the Global Elite to subjugate humankind.

That doesn't mean I don't believe that some viruses cause disease.

[GeoffB]

1 hour ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

Just like that!

 

"Nothing to see here, move along..."

How else can the veracity of their claims be judged?

[GeoffB]

1 hour ago, zArk said:

There is no 'cell' virus and there is no RNA virus because RNA is junk science created from junk methodology. the claimed RNA has only ever been documented from muscle cells which had undergone necrosis and were chemically altered during preparation for study.

Your talking total bullshit.

Thousands of scientific papers detail their experiments with different cells, the only necrosis is from the virus and there was NO chemical alteration as the preparation for study is immersed in nutrients and antifungals.

Your delusional.

[bobb]

Please remember everyone that the term COVID-19 relates to the disease aspect not the alleged, VIRUS, which in my opinion does not exist, it is only the disease that exists and that can be from:

Virological

Biological

Fungal

Chemical

Psychological

My personal opinion is it involves Biological, Chemical and probably more importantly Psychological.

[GeoffB]

13 hours ago, bobb said:

Please remember everyone that the term COVID-19 relates to the disease aspect not the alleged, VIRUS, which in my opinion does not exist, it is only the disease that exists and that can be from:

Virological

Biological

Fungal

Chemical

Psychological

My personal opinion is it involves Biological, Chemical and probably more importantly Psychological.

What evidence have you seen that makes you believe the SARS-CoV-2 virus does not exist?

[bobb]

45 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

What evidence have you seen that makes you believe the SARS-CoV-2 virus does not exist?

 

I BELIEVE nothing but truth, Covid-19 is the disease, and no one can say HOW it is being transmitted, therefore not a VIRUS!!!

as for SARS-CoV-2, you need to look at the work done by Dr David Martin, the link I have provided is a fact check piece that is heavily laden with dragon language, and you will need to question everything it alleges to refute, as always, ymmv.

[GeoffB]

2 hours ago, bobb said:

 

I BELIEVE nothing but truth, Covid-19 is the disease, and no one can say HOW it is being transmitted, therefore not a VIRUS!!!

as for SARS-CoV-2, you need to look at the work done by Dr David Martin, the link I have provided is a fact check piece that is heavily laden with dragon language, and you will need to question everything it alleges to refute, as always, ymmv.

The truth is that there are many scientific papers showing a cell infected with SARS-CoV-2 infects a different healthy cell and inflicts cytopathic deterioration to that healthy cell. Here is an example in case you missed it. 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17796-z

 

I am a big fan of Dr David Martin and he played a big part in the film Plandemic which showed that the virus is real.

 

You seem to be suffering from cognitive dissonance if you are quoting Dr David Martin to prove your point.

[bobb]

9 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

The truth is that there are many scientific papers showing a cell infected with SARS-CoV-2 infects a different healthy cell and inflicts cytopathic deterioration to that healthy cell. Here is an example in case you missed it. 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17796-z

 

I am a big fan of Dr David Martin and he played a big part in the film Plandemic which showed that the virus is real.

 

You seem to be suffering from cognitive dissonance if you are quoting Dr David Martin to prove your point.

 

And what are you suffering from, what virus are you speaking about?

Did you read the piece I showed you of how they are lying and deceiving everyone?

Do you know that anything in Nature can not legally be patented?

Do you know there is a patent for this, does this mean it's a biological weapon of war which is also illegal?

Well you can not have your cake and eat it as they say, so give me the low down on what it is you are trying to defend here?

[bobb]

10 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

The truth is that there are many scientific papers showing a cell infected with SARS-CoV-2

 

So where is it then in-silico, or is it in the wild?

[bobb]

WHERE THE FUK IS IT THEN!!!!!

[GeoffB]

44 minutes ago, bobb said:

 

And what are you suffering from, what virus are you speaking about?

Did you read the piece I showed you of how they are lying and deceiving everyone?

Do you know that anything in Nature can not legally be patented?

Do you know there is a patent for this, does this mean it's a biological weapon of war which is also illegal?

Well you can not have your cake and eat it as they say, so give me the low down on what it is you are trying to defend here?

I'm defending the fact that viruses exist.

I agree with Dr David Martin that SARS-CoV-2 was created in a lab.

You are confused if you are using Dr David Martin to prove that viruses do not exist.

YouTube have deleted the video you linked to.

[bobb]

16 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

I'm defending the fact that viruses exist.

I agree with Dr David Martin that SARS-CoV-2 was created in a lab.

You are confused if you are using Dr David Martin to prove that viruses do not exist.

YouTube have deleted the video you linked to.

 

How did you make the connection that I said Viruses do not exist, what I am saying is that this so called Viral outbreak is a whole load of coffolloxs, what I am saying is that something else is going on as pointed out in my first post about covid-19 is the disease, and not the virus!!!

[bobb]

14 minutes ago, bobb said:

YouTube have deleted the video you linked to.

 

What friggin video did I allegedly point to when I asked you to READ IT!!!

[GeoffB]

26 minutes ago, bobb said:

 

How did you make the connection that I said Viruses do not exist, what I am saying is that this so called Viral outbreak is a whole load of coffolloxs, what I am saying is that something else is going on as pointed out in my first post about covid-19 is the disease, and not the virus!!!

Your exact words in your post were "not the alleged, VIRUS, which in my opinion does not exist".

[GeoffB]

12 minutes ago, bobb said:

 

What friggin video did I allegedly point to when I asked you to READ IT!!!

The video of Dr David Martin in the article you linked to.

Do keep up.

Your ramblings are all over the place and you're coming across as confused.

If you can't be more concise or have anything interesting to offer I suggest you just keep quiet.