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50 minutes ago, GeoffB said:

My opinion that viruses exist is backed up by fact and verified scientific experiments.

Your opinion that "viruses do not exist" is just an abstract unproven theory peddled by charlatans with books, pills, lotions and potions to sell to the gullible and you've lapped it up.

Yes the human body is complex and malign forces around the world want to subjugate the masses but it doesn't mean viruses do not exist. 

Geoff wanders in from time to time.

 

Insisting that viruses exist.

 

Defined by some strange latin nomencllature that means poison, this inverted definition results in  billions in profits for the mass murdering psychopaths who offered you the cures for viruses such as hiv and covid

 

How are those cures working ?

 

I rest my case.

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1 hour ago, MarcusOmouse said:

Geoff wanders in from time to time.

 

Insisting that viruses exist.

 

Defined by some strange latin nomencllature that means poison, this inverted definition results in  billions in profits for the mass murdering psychopaths who offered you the cures for viruses such as hiv and covid

 

How are those cures working ?

 

I rest my case.

As you well know I am vehemently opposed to vaccines and I prefer a healthy life style to pharmaceuticals.

You also know I have been supporting David Icke for 20 years but he has taken his eye off the ball in being seduced by Lanka, Kaufman, Cowan etc. with their ridiculous notion that viruses do not exist.

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2 hours ago, GeoffB said:

My opinion that viruses exist is backed up by fact and verified scientific experiments.

Your opinion that "viruses do not exist" is just an abstract unproven theory peddled by charlatans with books, pills, lotions and potions to sell to the gullible and you've lapped it up.

Yes the human body is complex and malign forces around the world want to subjugate the masses but it doesn't mean viruses do not exist. 

 

You're really scraping the barrel. Did you even read these lines in your "Nature" link

 

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The underlying pathogenesis and transmission of viral infection remain obscure.

 

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but the underlying morphogenesis and pathogenesis remain poorly understood

 

I'm genuinely gobsmacked that you would hold this article up as definitive proof that virus theory has been elevated to a fact. Your beloved quacks are a zillion miles away from proving anything. It's meaningless drivel dressed up as authoritative experimentation which is then used to drive justification of some of the biggest fraud and damage ever wreaked upon humanity.

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3 hours ago, Daithi said:

 

You're really scraping the barrel. Did you even read these lines in your "Nature" link

 

 

 

I'm genuinely gobsmacked that you would hold this article up as definitive proof that virus theory has been elevated to a fact. Your beloved quacks are a zillion miles away from proving anything. It's meaningless drivel dressed up as authoritative experimentation which is then used to drive justification of some of the biggest fraud and damage ever wreaked upon humanity.

You are misinterpreting the quotes you are referring to.

 

The paper was published 6th August 2020 just months after the new virus had been discovered and it was saying that as far as SARS-CoV-2 is concerned "The underlying pathogenesis and transmission of viral infection remain obscure." Meaning that the pathogenesis and transmission of SARS-Cov-2 remain obscure and "the underlying morphogenesis and pathogenesis (of SARS-CoV-2) remain poorly understood" because it is a new virus which requires further investigation hence the experiment written up in the said scientific paper and all the experiments after which shows the virus is real and infects other healthy cells.

 

Your lack of understanding of modern virology and scientific papers shows you are not in a position to suggest that "viruses do not exist".

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8 hours ago, MarcusOmouse said:

Geoff wanders in from time to time.

 

Insisting that viruses exist.

 

Defined by some strange latin nomencllature that means poison, this inverted definition results in  billions in profits for the mass murdering psychopaths who offered you the cures for viruses such as hiv and covid

 

How are those cures working ?

 

I rest my case.

 

Is chicken pox a bacteria then?

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12 hours ago, GeoffB said:

You are misinterpreting the quotes you are referring to.

 

The paper was published 6th August 2020 just months after the new virus had been discovered and it was saying that as far as SARS-CoV-2 is concerned "The underlying pathogenesis and transmission of viral infection remain obscure." Meaning that the pathogenesis and transmission of SARS-Cov-2 remain obscure and "the underlying morphogenesis and pathogenesis (of SARS-CoV-2) remain poorly understood" because it is a new virus which requires further investigation hence the experiment written up in the said scientific paper and all the experiments after which shows the virus is real and infects other healthy cells.

 

Your lack of understanding of modern virology and scientific papers shows you are not in a position to suggest that "viruses do not exist".

 

No it doesn;t mean that.

 

You're quite offensive to my sensibilities with no redeeming charms so once more I'll leave you to continue drinking from the vile cup of Fauci, Whitty, Valance and their legions of underlings who spout the same made up garbage that you so passionately defend  and of course the uber turd who is the darkest of the dark lords, Billy G.

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1 hour ago, Daithi said:

 

No it doesn;t mean that.

 

You're quite offensive to my sensibilities with no redeeming charms so once more I'll leave you to continue drinking from the vile cup of Fauci, Whitty, Valance and their legions of underlings who spout the same made up garbage that you so passionately defend  and of course the uber turd who is the darkest of the dark lords, Billy G.

Yes it does mean that.

 

If you think a scientific paper would say that the pathogenesis and transmission of known viruses are obscure and poorly understood then you're more deluded than I thought.

 

They were talking about a "new unknown" virus.

 

I despise all those people you mention as I am active in exposing the global elites lies and propaganda around a new virus which is no worse than a bad flu or for Omicron akin to a common cold.

 

However, I'm also active exposing the idiots on here and elsewhere who keep spouting the nonsense that "viruses do not exist" and I don't care if I hurt their feelings as they need to educate themselves in modern virology.

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13 hours ago, Nathan Oakley said:

Is chicken pox a bacteria then?

 

 

Hi Nathan,

 

My response is that I honestly don't know. Ive never really looked deeply into it in the same way as I have this latest farce or HIV. My best guess would be that it is a sure possiblitlty.

Alternatively  I was listening recently to a doctor ( tess lawrie  - I thinks thats her name).

 

When asked if viruses can transmit disease between humans or is this BS, she answered " a bit of both"

 

She very briefly explained how certain  so called viruses are occasionally "ridden on" , or contain  accompanying living micro- parasites.

This might also be a realistic explanation.

 

A parasite is of course omething which, like a bacteria and unlike a virus, is actually alive.

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1 hour ago, MarcusOmouse said:

 

 

Hi Nathan,

 

My response is that I honestly don't know. Ive never really looked deeply into it in the same way as I have this latest farce or HIV. My best guess would be that it is a sure possiblitlty.

Alternatively  I was listening recently to a doctor ( tess lawrie  - I thinks thats her name).

 

When asked if viruses can transmit disease between humans or is this BS, she answered " a bit of both"

 

She very briefly explained how certain  so called viruses are occasionally "ridden on" , or contain  accompanying living micro- parasites.

This might also be a realistic explanation.

 

A parasite is of course omething which, like a bacteria and unlike a virus, is actually alive.

 

I have been in plenty of households, where one child gets chicken pox, and then the rest of them do.

 

Have you not had that experience?

 

re HIV - I still use condoms for casual sex, and I dont plan on changing that.

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1 hour ago, Nathan Oakley said:

have been in plenty of households, where one child gets chicken pox, and then the rest of them do.

 

Have you not had that experience?

 

re HIV - I still use condoms for casual sex, and I dont plan on changing that.

With regards to the chicken pox. That sounds to me like  a parasitic transfer. Something that is alive and hops onto the back of something that isnt living ( a virus).

 

A teaspoonful of soil contains countless millions of viruses.  None of which are living

 

The human body contains trillions . A parasite can attatch itself to some of them. Go and play outside and what might happen?

 

Our natural immune system will of course deal promptly with that when left to its own devices.

 

Enter the death cult pharmeceuticals over the last century or so based on fake science

 

HIV is of course complete and utter bollocks lol.

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31 minutes ago, MarcusOmouse said:

With regards to the chicken pox. That sounds to me like  a parasitic transfer. Something that is alive and hops onto the back of something that isnt living ( a virus).

 

A teaspoonful of soil contains countless millions of viruses.  None of which are living

 

The human body contains trillions . A parasite can attatch itself to some of them. Go and play outside and what might happen?

 

Our natural immune system will of course deal promptly with that when left to its own devices.

 

Enter the death cult pharmeceuticals over the last century or so based on fake science

 

HIV is of course complete and utter bollocks lol.

 

Which parasite are we talking about?

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6 hours ago, GeoffB said:

I don't care if I hurt their feelings as they need to educate themselves in modern virology.

 

Nowhere did I offer that you have in any way hurt my feelings. Offending sensibilities does not translate to that if you use a dictionary worthy of the name. Anybody peddling the RNA virus myths such as the paper you linked makes me very angry because it is the foundational lies and deceit fuelling the worst example of tyranny against humanity in my lifetime.

 

You have no clue about my educational achievement, what my professional history is or are seemingly in any position to judge my ability to grasp modern virology.

 

You also haven't offered your credentials at any point to support your ability to judge the validity of modern virology either. So I'll assume that you are not an "expert" and are in fact just a random joe who googles for what you feels supports your belief in virus theory.

 

If you choose to elaborate on why you are an authority on modern virology then we can really start getting into the line by line details of the paper you linked.

 

Also answer me this, if virus transmission is not a theory but is indeed fact then you or any average joe can google to get the  link to many scientific papers that demonstrate the experimental proof that RNA virus material of any coronavirus can be administered aerobically to a "healthy" human being and will then almost always result in a respiratory illness developing in the human.

 

Why the need for this elaborate cell culturing and weird processing in chemical goop?

 

I'll give you a clue, you'll fail miserably to do that because this simple experiment has never been successfully performed so I can safely assert that RNA viruses do not exist.

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18 hours ago, Nathan Oakley said:

 

Is chicken pox a bacteria then?

 

The thread is about "the virus" in the covid-19 sub forum, so the RNA alleged virus known as Sars-Cov2 and its isolation is the topic under discussion here. I don't understand where chicken pox fits in? It's a deeply complex topic in and of itself and doesn't need to be pulled in any other direction IMHO.

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52 minutes ago, Daithi said:

 

The thread is about "the virus" in the covid-19 sub forum, so the RNA alleged virus known as Sars-Cov2 and its isolation is the topic under discussion here. I don't understand where chicken pox fits in? It's a deeply complex topic in and of itself and doesn't need to be pulled in any other direction IMHO.

 

Is chicken pox a virus?

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1 minute ago, bamboozooka said:

how do you know you havent been exposed to a parasite?

how do we know we all havent been exposed to a parasite?

after all, ivermectin (a parasite killer) is healing nations with "covid"

We have all been exposed to a parasite.

It's name is Stefan Lanka and it's variants are called Andrew Kaufman, Tom Cowan and Samantha Bailey..

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7 hours ago, GeoffB said:

That statement proves you know nothing about modern virology.

 

I don't need an encyclopedic knowledge of modern virology to call into question the RNA virus theories so loved by the cult. And I certainly know more than you based on your very intellectually limited discourse on this topic.

 

The forum has been waiting for quite some time now for you to actually start evidencing your dangerous views on virus theory. Alas, once more this conversation dead ends as you just dish out the one liner put downs. Socratic Method 0 - Geoff 1

 

I wonder if you or your buddy chicken pox nathan even know the very simplest concepts about the proposed RNA virus theories that you hold so dear.

 

I ask you repeatedly for the papers that confirm the simplest proof about RNA viruses, that in a controlled environment the transmissibility of the alleged pathogen validates the DEAD cells cooked in chemical goop. They never have and they never will.

 

Anybody selling the dead cell/chemical goop theory has no place in the alternate thinking realms IMHO. So burn your David Icke books, put on your masks, take your jabs and lock yourselves down, if you have any existing serious disease then take your Midazolam like a good boy.

 

RNA virus theory, the fraud that is the SARS-COV2 illness and it's transmissibility is the complete bedrock of the most successful tyranny acted against humanity.

 

We need people asking questions and demanding answers about flaws and inconsistencies in the science used to drive the destruction of society as we know it. As the facts fail to materialise then it becomes easier to make some MSM loving sheeple call their personal blind devotion into question. Then we have a chance for a better future as a species.

 

Not sure people devoting their time to one liner put downs and googled links that are poorly interpreted by the googler are worth much of anything.

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8 hours ago, GeoffB said:

We have all been exposed to a parasite.

It's name is Stefan Lanka and it's variants are called Andrew Kaufman, Tom Cowan and Samantha Bailey..

no virus exists, its all a perception in your mind that it does exist.

maybe you have got auto immune defficencies

 

https://luis46pr.wordpress.com/2021/08/10/does-the-virus-exist-the-sars-cov-2-has-not-been-isolated-biggest-fraud-in-medical-history/

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2 hours ago, Daithi said:

 

I don't need an encyclopedic knowledge of modern virology to call into question the RNA virus theories so loved by the cult. And I certainly know more than you based on your very intellectually limited discourse on this topic.

 

The forum has been waiting for quite some time now for you to actually start evidencing your dangerous views on virus theory. Alas, once more this conversation dead ends as you just dish out the one liner put downs. Socratic Method 0 - Geoff 1

 

I wonder if you or your buddy chicken pox nathan even know the very simplest concepts about the proposed RNA virus theories that you hold so dear.

 

I ask you repeatedly for the papers that confirm the simplest proof about RNA viruses, that in a controlled environment the transmissibility of the alleged pathogen validates the DEAD cells cooked in chemical goop. They never have and they never will.

 

Anybody selling the dead cell/chemical goop theory has no place in the alternate thinking realms IMHO. So burn your David Icke books, put on your masks, take your jabs and lock yourselves down, if you have any existing serious disease then take your Midazolam like a good boy.

 

RNA virus theory, the fraud that is the SARS-COV2 illness and it's transmissibility is the complete bedrock of the most successful tyranny acted against humanity.

 

We need people asking questions and demanding answers about flaws and inconsistencies in the science used to drive the destruction of society as we know it. As the facts fail to materialise then it becomes easier to make some MSM loving sheeple call their personal blind devotion into question. Then we have a chance for a better future as a species.

 

Not sure people devoting their time to one liner put downs and googled links that are poorly interpreted by the googler are worth much of anything.

I proved beyond doubt that viruses exists with 224 posts on the main thread "David Icke's Claim That Viruses Do Not Exist".

I doubt the moderators on here will tolerate a repeat.

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5 hours ago, Daithi said:

 

I don't need an encyclopedic knowledge of modern virology to call into question the RNA virus theories so loved by the cult. And I certainly know more than you based on your very intellectually limited discourse on this topic.

 

The forum has been waiting for quite some time now for you to actually start evidencing your dangerous views on virus theory. Alas, once more this conversation dead ends as you just dish out the one liner put downs. Socratic Method 0 - Geoff 1

 

I wonder if you or your buddy chicken pox nathan even know the very simplest concepts about the proposed RNA virus theories that you hold so dear.

 

I ask you repeatedly for the papers that confirm the simplest proof about RNA viruses, that in a controlled environment the transmissibility of the alleged pathogen validates the DEAD cells cooked in chemical goop. They never have and they never will.

 

Anybody selling the dead cell/chemical goop theory has no place in the alternate thinking realms IMHO. So burn your David Icke books, put on your masks, take your jabs and lock yourselves down, if you have any existing serious disease then take your Midazolam like a good boy.

 

RNA virus theory, the fraud that is the SARS-COV2 illness and it's transmissibility is the complete bedrock of the most successful tyranny acted against humanity.

 

We need people asking questions and demanding answers about flaws and inconsistencies in the science used to drive the destruction of society as we know it. As the facts fail to materialise then it becomes easier to make some MSM loving sheeple call their personal blind devotion into question. Then we have a chance for a better future as a species.

 

Not sure people devoting their time to one liner put downs and googled links that are poorly interpreted by the googler are worth much of anything.

 

I noticed you have answered the question - is chicken pox a virus? Too hard for you? Takes you out of your safe space? #snowflake

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18 hours ago, GeoffB said:

We have all been exposed to a parasite.

It's name is Stefan Lanka and it's variants are called Andrew Kaufman, Tom Cowan and Samantha Bailey..

So it would appear , according to GeoffB, that humanity needs to place it's trust in the Big Pharma spokespeople ( who GeoffB claims to oppose)

 

Meanwhile,  people, such as those he quotes above, who have sacrificed their careers are apparently  the parasites.

 

Do the awakening a favour GeoffB. and kindly crawl back into that deep dark hole that Big pharma has created for you.

 

According to such forces of evil there are Inert, non-live entities that are killing us.

 

I guess you do have a point.

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5 hours ago, MarcusOmouse said:

So it would appear , according to GeoffB, that humanity needs to place it's trust in the Big Pharma spokespeople ( who GeoffB claims to oppose)

 

Meanwhile,  people, such as those he quotes above, who have sacrificed their careers are apparently  the parasites.

 

Do the awakening a favour GeoffB. and kindly crawl back into that deep dark hole that Big pharma has created for you.

 

According to such forces of evil there are Inert, non-live entities that are killing us.

 

I guess you do have a point.

I despise Big Pharma.

 

I despise even more discredited and disbarred ex-biologists and medics who are trying to part the gullible from their hard earned money by selling books, pills lotions and potions on a false premise that "viruses do not exist".

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On 12/22/2021 at 10:06 AM, GeoffB said:

I proved beyond doubt that viruses exists with 224 posts on the main thread "David Icke's Claim That Viruses Do Not Exist".

I doubt the moderators on here will tolerate a repeat.

 

Really? Try them. Let's hear a condensed version of all of your arguments.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, webtrekker said:

 

Really? Try them. Let's hear a condensed version of all of your arguments.

 

 

 

I have a wealth of links to counter any claim by those who still cling to the fringe belief that "viruses do not exist".

 

As before I am happy to answer any questions or provide proof that "viruses exist".

 

I am happy to correct any misconceptions on viruses.

 

Here is my revised and condensed version of my arguments as requested. I am happy to expand on every point.

 

The facts showing that viruses exist ……

 

Viruses are a quirk of nature and there is scientific debate on whether they are living organisms or not. It has always been known that it is impossible to “isolate” a virus in the dictionary sense. (A similar concept to the quirk of nature in Quantum Mechanics whereby light can be a particle or a waveform).

 

Viruses have been proved to exist by modern virology through experiments with a living isolated single human cell infected with a virus and shown to infect a different living healthy human cell without the virus. (Modern Virologists have always known that viruses cannot be “isolated” or “purified” in the dictionary sense of the word as viruses are only evident when attached to a living cell). Mock controls are done in almost every case using the same known liquid suspension or substrate. The experiment is written up in a scientific paper for peer review. Just search the internet for “virus cell culture paper” for thousands of these papers. No paper has had to be retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist via modern electron microscopy and photographed showing the virus which is similar but different to an exosome. Just search the internet for “virus cell culture paper”, Images. Again no paper has been retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist via modern whole gene sequencing (which is the preferred method of identification) of all of the base pairs. SARS-CoV-2 and it’s variants have 29,903 base pairs which have been laboriously whole gene sequenced (it takes 4 to 5 days and NOT computer generated) and uploaded to the GISAID Initiative over 6 million times. Again no paper has been retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist via PCR tests which are highly specific and accurate in detecting a unique long gene sequence fragment of the virus you want to detect. It is not so good at diagnosing infection as the virus detected maybe dead fragments and not viable which can only be done by cell culture in a wet lab. However, the CT rate if low is an indication of infectability. (Although PCR tests are incredibly accurate it all depends on the Quality Control measures in the labs. The Lighthouse labs for mass testing in the UK have poor Quality Control and produce many “false positives”). Again no paper has been retracted.

 

Viruses have been proved to exist in the German courts in the infamous Lanka v Bardens case where all the judges and experts agreed that the measles virus was real. (Lanka weaseled himself out of paying the 100,000euro bet by persuading the court that it was proved by “six” scientific papers and not “one” that he had asked for).
There has been no scientific paper, even a pre-print or one not peer reviewed, that has ever suggested that viruses do not exist.

 

Unlike thousands of sceptical climate scientists questioning man made global warming there has been no retired virologist or otherwise with nothing to lose in coming forward with any doubts about “viruses existing”. There have been no death bed confessions from modern virologists. There have been no scientific papers suggesting viruses do not exist. This indicates that viruses are real and do exist as has been proved by the methods already stated.

 

The US has over 200 bioweapons labs around the world, there are many others. They are all working on viruses. If there is a biological accident or attack your semi-religious belief that “viruses do not exist” will not save you from sickness and/or death.

 

Some Charlatans with a failed scientific/medical background with books to sell, websites to fund and pills, lotions and potions to sell to the gullible have seen the profit potential of abandoning mainstream medicine in favour of the 19th century Terrain Theory and “viruses do not exist” quackery. People like Stefan Lanka, Andrew Kaufman, Tom Cowan, Sam Bailey etc.

 

These people have seduced others in the alternative media without a medical or scientific background but who also have books to sell and websites to fund to support their spurious 19th century claims and that “viruses do not exist”. People like David Icke, Jon Rappaport, Mike Adams etc.

 

They keep appearing on each others platforms, including Alex Jones Infowars, and keep quoting each other and operate in an echo chamber of lies and deceit to illicit money from the gullible. ALL their claims about “viruses not existing” have been debunked.

 

Facts are facts and viruses have been proved to exist.

 

These people may be right when they say Covid, lockdowns, masks, vaccines, global warming, controlling the masses and many other subjects are a scam but on “viruses not existing” they are totally wrong, out of date and have been proved to be wrong.

 

You may be a follower of these people and want to believe they are right 100% of the time but on “viruses not existing” they are just plain wrong, out of date and have been proved to be wrong.

 

I have supported David Icke for the last 20 years, bought most of his books, paid a monthly subscription to him, watched him live at Wembley for 10 hours,  donated money to The Peoples Voice and can’t think of one subject where I have disagreed with him, until now.

 

VIRUSES EXIST.
 

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