Psychedelic drug DMT to be trialled in UK to treat depression (Guardian article 9th Dec 2020)

[Staeld]

I never tried DMT but I'm sure some of you have. Would taking DMT be a good idea if you're depressed? Ultimately it's more likely to wake people up than dumb them down. Which kind of goes against the general agenda nowadays?

 

 

"UK regulators have given the go-ahead for the first clinical trial of the use of the psychedelic drug dimethyltriptamine (DMT) to treat depression.

The trial will initially give the drug – known as the “spirit molecule” for the powerful hallucinogenic trips it induces – to healthy individuals, but it is expected to be followed by a second trial in patients with depression, where DMT will be given alongside psychotherapy."

 

Full article here:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/dec/09/psychedelic-drug-dmt-to-be-trialled-in-uk-to-treat-depression?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1607553383

 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2020 by Staeld

[Ziggy Sawdust]

Drugs are  for mugs.

[Truthspoon]

23 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

Drugs are  for mugs.

 

I think you mean 'the abuse of drugs is for mugs'.

 

We all take drugs one way or another. Tea, coffee, beer, asprin....

 

It's likely that without the use of entheogens in humanity's history we would have never developed any higher faculties.

Though these days we'd probably have been better off staying in the trees. But even monkeys like to get their buzz on.

 

So what can you do? You can't fight nature.

 

As the wise man once said:

 

Naturalia non sunt turpia.

 

[Ziggy Sawdust]

19 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

I think you mean 'the abuse of drugs is for mugs'.

 

We all take drugs one way or another. Tea, coffee, beer, asprin....

 

It's likely that without the use of entheogens in humanity's history we would have never developed any higher faculties.

Though these days we'd probably have been better off staying in the trees. But even monkeys like to get their buzz on.

 

So what can you do? You can't fight nature.

 

As the wise man once said:

 

Naturalia non sunt turpia.

 

 

Ok, I'll rephrase it.

In my humble opinion, hallucinogenic drugs are for mugs.

Is that better?

[Truthspoon]

7 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

 

Ok, I'll rephrase it.

In my humble opinion, hallucinogenic drugs are for mugs.

Is that better?

 

Myself and Bill Hicks disagree.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2020 by Truthspoon

[Ziggy Sawdust]

13 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

Myself and Bill Hicks disagree.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm 71......I lived through the 60s and 70s when dropping acid and eating mushrooms was at its height.

Every last one of my mates that got involved ended up fucked up in one way or another.

Mostly mentally.

Let's agree to disagree eh?

Peace.

[Truthspoon]

35 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

 

I'm 71......I lived through the 60s and 70s when dropping acid and eating mushrooms was at its height.

Every last one of my mates that got involved ended up fucked up in one way or another.

Mostly mentally.

Let's agree to disagree eh?

Peace.

 

Ever tried it yourself?

 

Nothing teaches like experience...

And as for mates getting fucked up....well, there's nothing like booze, cars and women to ruin a man.

 

Should we ban those too just because some people can't handle themselves properly?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2020 by Truthspoon

[peter]

1 hour ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

Ok, I'll rephrase it.

In my humble opinion, hallucinogenic drugs are for mugs.

Is that better?

Your body produces DMT ,I guess that makes us all mugs

[Ziggy Sawdust]

 

The late Peter Green and Danny Kirwan were the two young superb guitarists in the early Fleetwood Mac band...... they went to a party in Munich where they dropped acid.....They then both spent the rest of their lives in and out of mental institutions .....Band manager Clifford Davis claims that this was the night that Peter Green and Danny Kirwan became 'seriously mentally ill'.

The incident and their subsequent awful lives are well documented both on Google and You Tube.

I truly believe that they'd both disagree strongly with Bill Hicks.

[Michi713]

Think Sid Barrett, the first singer of Pink Floyd went off the deep end as well.

[Ziggy Sawdust]

9 minutes ago, Michi713 said:

Think Sid Barrett, the first singer of Pink Floyd went off the deep end as well.

 

He did.

[Truthspoon]

 

You didn't answer my question. 

 

Did you try it yourself?

 

Reminds me of my mum.... "I never liked that wacky backy, it just made me fall asleep."

 

Bless her.

 

 

Edited December 11, 2020 by Truthspoon

[EnigmaticWorld]

What is it with DMT being pushed so much to normies recently? Seems like a cult around that shit is growing thanks to folks like Rogan. Will that be our Soma like in A Brave New World?

[allymisfit]

2 hours ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

 

Ok, I'll rephrase it.

In my humble opinion, hallucinogenic drugs are for mugs.

Is that better?

 

I disagree. 

If it wasn't for psychedelics, I wouldn't be awake to all this madness. 

They are a wonderful tool for seeing the truth :) 

[allymisfit]

2 hours ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

 

I'm 71......I lived through the 60s and 70s when dropping acid and eating mushrooms was at its height.

Every last one of my mates that got involved ended up fucked up in one way or another.

Mostly mentally.

Let's agree to disagree eh?

Peace.

 

For some that is the case, especially if abused and taken with other drugs etc. 

 

But used as a tool, it can be magnificent! Truly life changing. 

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

2 hours ago, Michi713 said:

Think Sid Barrett, the first singer of Pink Floyd went off the deep end as well.

 

1 hour ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

 

He did.

Unfortunately he 'abused' psychedelics....
Took far too much, far to frequently.

Everything, but in it's 'right amount'...IMO.
 

[Truthspoon]

1 hour ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

What is it with DMT being pushed so much to normies recently? Seems like a cult around that shit is growing thanks to folks like Rogan. Will that be our Soma like in A Brave New World?

 

Dude, we're not even going to get that far.

 

Brave New World will be paradise compared to what they have planned for us.

 

It'll be more like 1984 except a few years late.

 

 

Edited December 11, 2020 by Truthspoon

[EnigmaticWorld]

Just now, Truthspoon said:

 

Dude, we're not even going to get that far.

 

Brave New World will be paradise compared to what they have planned for us.

 

 

 

True. I know the future has no plans for me. I don't expect to be around to see the coming horrors.

[EnigmaticWorld]

 

 

 

[Morpheus]

at some of these comments. 

[EnigmaticWorld]

I don't really care what an adult chooses to do with their body. I just want us to take our nations back before we turn into docile slaves.

 

Hardest thing I have ever taken was shrooms, but I wasn't diggin' them that much to be fair. Wasted most of my life being a stoner bro though, and relapsed this year. I hate this battle with this crap. Too many of my pals are now either dead or in jail too. I aint about that life anymore.

Edited December 11, 2020 by EnigmaticWorld

[Ziggy Sawdust]

2 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

 

You didn't answer my question. 

 

Did you try it yourself?

 

Reminds me of my mum.... "I never liked that wacky backy, it just made me fall asleep."

 

Bless her.

 

 

 

No, I've never taken anything stronger than a paracetamol.

I've also never smoked or drunk......I played football at a decent level until my mid 30s and always kept myself fit.

Your body is a temple.

 

 

[Morpheus]

22 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

I don't really care what an adult chooses to do with their body. I just want us to take our nations back before we turn into docile slaves.

 

Hardest thing I have ever taken was shrooms, but I wasn't diggin' them that much to be fair. Wasted most of my life being a stoner bro though, and relapsed this year. I hate this battle with this crap. Too many of my pals are now either dead or in jail too. I aint about that life anymore.

I've done those things and to be fair, I don't think there's anything wrong with either of them. Getting high off weed is like having a beer. Too much and you get fucked. Clearly having 10 pints is not commensurate to a 10 joints, but the initial one is similar. Your faculties are far more in play than drinking ale that's for sure. Plus there's far less health issues with weed than booze. 

 

But my mate went mental after a smoke, so it must be bad I hear you say!

 

Well, depending when you first start or whether you have mental health in your genetics/family then it's bound to fuck you up. Others can tolerate it, others can't . I always hear the paranoia argument, but I'd say you're allowing it to control how you think. Whenever I've had a moment like that, I always told myself that it's the weed, sure enough,  I'm fine after that. It really was that simple.  

 

Now mushy's should be taken with care and respect. It needs to be done with people you know, are comfortable with, in a relaxed setting and take the right dose. The reason why people fuck up on mushrooms is because they take the wrong amount, like me!

 

I had a bad freak out. The whole trip wasn't like that, but it turned that way as it got more intense. I was in the matrix and what I mean by that was I could see the binary code up and down the walls like the movie. My friends carpet was waving like an ocean, his speakers were breathing and I was seeing the binary code everywhere. I couldn't follow my friends conversation and all I could think about was that this wasn't going to end, I would be permanently like this and what would my mum say!

 

Needless to say 8 hrs later I was fine and then did a shift at work, hard-core. But as I say, it wasn't like that the whole time. First bit was great, laughing, flickers of 

colours, fuzzy warm feeling, it just went wrong because I took too much. I later found out that if you start to experience a bad trip, what you do is that you take sugar and quickly. So, drink a full can of coke and it will level you out pretty quickly, same with weed. Now these are natural substances, so I'm inclined to believe that god put these here for me and for you. Take advantage man, take advantage.

 

Now the chemical ones are the ones to avoid, barring ecstacy, the rest won't do. Bad news, very bad news. That's my take, and my experiences. I can say whole heartedly that I'm a better person for the experience because its allowed me not to judge people and also be far more open minded about the world. I actually don't think I'd have awakened if I'd hadn't because I'd have a big stick up my ass about shit I know nothing about. By having other experiences it's taught me not to judge a book by its cover. 

 

Just my two pence worth.  

Edited December 11, 2020 by Morpheus

[EnigmaticWorld]

8 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

I've done those things and to be fair, I don't think there's anything wrong with either of them. Getting high off weed is like having a beer. Too much and you get fucked. Clearly having 10 pints is not commensurate to a 10 joints, but the initial one is similar. Your faculties are far more in play than ale thatnis for sure. Plus there's far less health issues with weed than booze. 

 

But my mate went mental after a smoke so it must be bad I hear you say!

 

Well, depending when you first start or whether you have mental health in your genetics/family then it's bound to fuck you up. Others can tolerate it, others can't . I always hear the paranoia argument, but I'd say you're allowing it to control how you think. Whenever I've had a moment like that, I always told myself that it's the weed, sure enough,  I'm fine after that. It really was that simple.  

 

Now mushy should be taken with care. It needs to be done with people you know, are comfortable with, in a relaxed setting and take the right dose. The reason why people fuck up on mushrooms is because they take the wrong amount, like me!

 

I had a bad freak out. The whole trip wasn't like that, but it turned that way as it got more intense. I was in the matrix and what I mean by that was I could see the binary code up and down the walls like the movie. I couldn't follow my friends conversation and all I could think about was that this wasn't going to end, I'd be permanently like this and what would my mum say!

 

Needless to say 8 hrs later I was fine and then did a shift at work, hard-core. But as I say, it wasn't like that the whole time. First bit was great, laughing, flickers colours, fuzzy warm feeling, it just went wrong because I took too much. I later found out that if you start to experience a bad trip is that you take sugar and quickly. So, drink a full can of coke and it will level you out pretty quickly, same with weed. Now these are natural substances, so I'm inclined to believe that god put these here for me and for you. Take advantage man, take advantage.

 

Now the chemical ones are the ones to avoid, barring ecstacy, the rest won't do. Bad news, very bad news. That's my take, and my experiences. I can say whole heartedly that I'm a better person for the experience because its allowed me not to judge people. Just my two pence worth.  

 

I don't disagree with the majority of what you say. Obviously moderation is key.

 

I think I have just had a bad experience because a lot of my friends just live for weed. Maybe I have just grown out of stoner culture, I dunno. I don't mind lighting up every now and then, but I'm glad that my identity doesn't revolve around it anymore.

 

Snake venom is also natural, but should we ingest it?

Edited December 11, 2020 by EnigmaticWorld

[EnigmaticWorld]

Now I'm bloody thinking about weed again. Problem is, I get it and feel like the hassle wasn't even worth it. I'll just stick to self improvement (SIG) threads on 4chan. lol