Misconceptions about praying

[Steph]

My original point is that people are talking about prayers to the bearded man in the sky and the plastic Jesus who hugs tax collectors but never rejects their ways. There's dead silence that people can hear other peoples prayers... how can a society promulgating deception against itself ever be in unity? There's no point discussing prayer and/or "mental illness" without first addressing telepathy and acknowledging there is suppression of the knowledge about where our prayers go and where the voices come from.

[rideforever]

3 minutes ago, Steph said:

My original point is that people are talking about prayers to the bearded man in the sky and the plastic Jesus who hugs tax collectors but never rejects their ways.

 

This is actually not true.

I have realised of late that these things that people say ... are just rubbish.

Nobody in church, no Christian, prays to a bearded man, nor to a plastic Jesus.

People who love materialism they stand outside the Church and slag it off, but they have no idea what happens in there.

 

Actually families walk in and light candles and they say : "Our father who art in heaven ..." a very beautiful prayer that means we reach to connect to the origin of the whole of life, of the whole of the universe.

Such beautiful faith and beautiful hearts.

 

How cold and dark people have become, the way they talk of these things.

 

[Steph]

Where does it teach them how to hear the prayers of the living God? I could produce reams of evidence they are being told to pray to the dead which stand as testimony in the light of truth that they are deceived that the living also hear their prayers and amongst the living who hear the voice of god praying to the ears of god, the great deception about the ears of the living is a source of a lot of trouble on the earth where the inhabitants kept blind are manipulated and demoralised by god like beings no different from themself, who intend that prayer is made to idols by those kept in the slavery of the deception that man can hear their prayers and that man is not "mentally ill" because this is so but iniquitous to the extent that man, a god like being would deceive man, a god like being from the truth that man hears mans prayers and enslaves man by deceiving man that their spiritual life should not begin until their physical body dies and that meantime, they should pray to the dead and never know the deception and manipulation of man who hears their prayers. To those who pray I say know that you too are gods as the deceivers appear and just as you can speak to god in heavenly prayer, you can also hear god with heavenly ears. The light that shines is prayer and the eye that sees the light are the ears that hear the prayers. The eye of the deceiver is greedy, sneaky and false and hates that a hidden sight that none can hide from is now a place that those with hidden sight should no longer hide. The truth is out there. Let those naive declare their incompetence, let the deceiver be treated amongst them. The naive can be awoken because they're not pretending to be asleep. We are not their slaves. They have a bill to pay no complex monetary scheme can pay for. Our souls are the oil they've been siphoning. Let the innocent eyes bear testimony, let the naive lights put my words to the test by praying to god most high that the spiritual deceivers speak the truth!

[Steph]

4 hours ago, Steph said:

Where does it teach them how to hear the prayers of the living God? I could produce reams of evidence they are being told to pray to the dead which stand as testimony in the light of truth that they are deceived that the living also hear their prayers and amongst the living who hear the voice of god praying to the ears of god, the great deception about the ears of the living is a source of a lot of trouble on the earth where the inhabitants kept blind are manipulated and demoralised by god like beings no different from themself, who intend that prayer is made to idols by those kept in the slavery of the deception that man can hear their prayers and that man is not "mentally ill" because this is so but iniquitous to the extent that man, a god like being would deceive man, a god like being from the truth that man hears mans prayers and enslaves man by deceiving man that their spiritual life should not begin until their physical body dies and that meantime, they should pray to the dead and never know the deception and manipulation of man who hears their prayers. To those who pray I say know that you too are gods as the deceivers appear and just as you can speak to god in heavenly prayer, you can also hear god with heavenly ears. The light that shines is prayer and the eye that sees the light are the ears that hear the prayers. The eye of the deceiver is greedy, sneaky and false and hates that a hidden sight that none can hide from is now a place that those with hidden sight should no longer hide. The truth is out there. Let those naive declare their incompetence, let the deceiver be treated amongst them. The naive can be awoken because they're not pretending to be asleep. We are not their slaves. They have a bill to pay no complex monetary scheme can pay for. Our souls are the oil they've been siphoning. Let the innocent eyes bear testimony, let the naive lights put my words to the test by praying to god most high that the spiritual deceivers speak the truth!

Understand this you'll understand everything. This is the diamond of your freedom. The truth enslavers want buried. This SHOULD BE taught in every school and spoken in every church and the first thing a brainologist must know and relate, not to mention the whole history of the suppression and persecution of spiritual beliefs. Right here. In a nutshell that is always buried because thats the type of world you live in. A fake world dreamed up by the simple being deceived by ... well watch the way this information is buried when you mention it anywhere ... put the information to the test. The sheep wake up, but thats not sheep burying this essential knowledge, its too deliberately and consistenly buried and mimiced and shunned.

[Michi713]

You only need three people to do a telepathy experiment.  A sender, receiver, and a neutral who has the correct information for later verification.  
The sender must be gifted at projecting thoughts, the receiver good at detecting.  The neutral should be trustworthy.  

[Steph]

You only need two!

 

What I'm saying is that there is a massive deception going on about the nature of our senses.

 

Let's consider the reader and the writer. Are you unable to read this because a third party hasn't verified it's possible. It's like a whole world of lies, deception, superstition and gossip is manufactured to say to the reader, you cant read, its just a bunch of meaningless scrambled symbols. You're delusional to think someone is trying to communicate by strange symbols. At the same time, they are saying to the writer, dont be silly, no one can be communicated with using strange symbols. Thats crazy.

 

The symbols are to be written as the tv dictates and anyone who reads them are delusional unless they are part of a cult engaged in the deception.

 

Are you incapable of recognising someone is communicating to you because a third party hasn't verified it? What about writing in a world telling you only dead people can read your writings and that your mixed up if you believe the living can read what you write?

 

Can you speak with your mind? If you've been deceived, provoke the gods for a testimony, I KNOW they hear our prayers, not because some third party says so, but because I see it for myself. Get a testimony. Prove me wrong by trying out the world in the way I recommend. You will know it too. Nothing else is possible. In time you too will hear the prayers of others but those who will now know you have a mind that knows the truth will tell you its impossible for you because of bad genes or nanobots or the latest line of bullshit. You're full form is a telepathic being but they want you to be nothing more than a piece of meat waiting for the grave to be in a world you are in, right here, right now. Speak your mind to people in the most abusive manner ever but do so without moving your lips concealing any signs of body language. It is not possible the world reacts to that, yet you will find it does. Can you turn your mind from fire to water instantly? These sudden changes alter a world in which you are powerful. A world the deceivers desire you do not believe while they manipulate what your mind should write to a world they pretend does not exist while exercising power over it through you unaware of your own god given power. This is why Elijah hears the voice of god in true Christianity and you haven't yet heard the version of truth told by the voices in peoples heads allegedly telling them to do unconscienable things. Before you can discern the truth, first discern the liars, they will even be in your own household!

 

Put my words to the test goddess and dont fear El Shaddai!

[Michi713]

(I don’t personally believe in praying to the dead either.)  
 

Just with the telepathy thing, meaning communication between one person’s mind and another:  It could so easily go off the rails when you’re dealing with voices.  I have had a hard time with voices at different times in my life.  Only once was I able to verify one voice as coming from a living human.  Otherwise, for a young person, it was very torturous.  The problem was distinguishing delusions from reality, and there were a lot of abusive and intrusive voices.  

I experienced a loud voice at times when I was in immediate danger.  

 

In messing with it later in life, I was able to listen more objectively?  And was able to detect glitches in one particular voice, like a broken record briefly skipping.  That served as verification of that one particular voice being a delusion.  
 

As far as my religious experiences, it is very clear, now that I completely trust in Jesus as my Lord and savior, which voice is from the Holy Spirit.  If I’m seeking Him, I am never deceived.

Matthew 7:7-10

“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. Or which one of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent?“

[kninjahman]

On 12/6/2020 at 9:24 PM, shabbirss said:

I wonder what the spiritual/energetic effects of symbolism and reverse symbolism are, are in regards to
the WORDS:

God  - doG

also,this word Creator...
Creator - rotaerC 
rot aerc
red? aerc/arch ?
rot (to rot or rotten?)

 

 

I think this is just because our modern language was designed by those who are trying to deceive us. 

 

I've noticed God backwards is doG..

 

Have you noticed that Jesus backwards is suseJ (sausage) which is forbidden in the Abrahamic religions? Pork is forbidden according to the Law of Moses and Jesus can be quoted in the New Testament saying "I have not come to change anything, I have come to uphold the law of Moses".

Furthermore - people in our society go to the bar - bar is the reverse of Rabb - the arabic word for Lord.

To best understand the nature of God - read Quran chapter 114:
Qul Hu Allahu Ahad (Say: He is God the Unique One/The One and Only)
Allahus Samat (The self-sustaining master - it means all creatures need Him but He doesn't need them)
Lam yalid wa lam yulad (He was neither born, nor does he beget)
wa lam yakularu kufuwan ahat (and there is NOTHING comparable to him)

God has over 100 names mentioned in the Quran - and it states that to Him belong the Most Beautiful of names - they include:
The God (Allah)
The Merciful

The Almighty

The All-Seeing

The Hearing

The Light

The Guardian

The Sustainer

The All-Knowing

The Most Wise

The Most High

The First and The Last

etc.

 

Just to be clear: I believe the Quran is a divine scripture protected by God - in 1974 Rashad Khalifa using a computer discovered it is entirely encrypted beyond human ability with the number 19 - I do not however believe in "brand islam" of any kind which completely contradict the teachings of the Quran - you will find "muslims" do not follow the Quran and instead follow a book of a collection of hear-says called Hadith.

 

Edit - It might be worthwhile noting, like many truthers of the past, Rashad was assassinated for his discovery.

 

Edit 2 - Check for yourself, the encryption is the reason for the "mysterious letters" at the start of some Quranic chapters called surahs - Muslims to this day don't know the meaning of these letters, it was exposed in 1974. The Quran is a protected revelation but its meaning has been distorted and it has been usurped mistakenly by the followers of brand islam. However - if you want to find out the truth: it's in that scripture! 

 

Peace.

Edited December 27, 2020 by kninjahman

[kninjahman]

On 12/22/2020 at 1:39 AM, Michi713 said:

(I don’t personally believe in praying to the dead either.)  
 

Just with the telepathy thing, meaning communication between one person’s mind and another:  It could so easily go off the rails when you’re dealing with voices.  I have had a hard time with voices at different times in my life.  Only once was I able to verify one voice as coming from a living human.  Otherwise, for a young person, it was very torturous.  The problem was distinguishing delusions from reality, and there were a lot of abusive and intrusive voices.  

I experienced a loud voice at times when I was in immediate danger.  

 

In messing with it later in life, I was able to listen more objectively?  And was able to detect glitches in one particular voice, like a broken record briefly skipping.  That served as verification of that one particular voice being a delusion.  
 

As far as my religious experiences, it is very clear, now that I completely trust in Jesus as my Lord and savior, which voice is from the Holy Spirit.  If I’m seeking Him, I am never deceived.

Matthew 7:7-10

“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. Or which one of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent?“

 

I recommend you follow Jesus' teachings then and pray to the same One that He prayed to - the one he called his father who is in heaven. 
You will recall in the garden of Gethsemane Jesus fell on his face and prayed to God - that's what you should do - Moses and Abraham do this also in the bible.

All of the prophets came with the same message - but mankind is guilty of manipulating that message and messing about with scriptures taking words out and moving them around - however the truth is still evident in the bible - all the prophets and messengers taught the same thing which is: worship the One God, be righteous, be charitable, etc. - the most important commandments are the first two: 1) Worship God Alone with no partners, and 2) Do NOT make an image of God. 

[EnigmaticWorld]

40 minutes ago, kninjahman said:

I do not however believe in "brand islam" of any kind which completely contradict the teachings of the Quran - you will find "muslims" do not follow the Quran and instead follow a book of a collection of hear-says called Hadith.

 

26 minutes ago, kninjahman said:

but mankind is guilty of manipulating that message and messing about with scriptures taking words out and moving them around

 

Where do the concepts of Tawriya, Kitman, Taqiyya and Maruna come from? The Quran, Hadiths, or a bit of both? As a fellow human I love you, but I have to be honest, that stuff concerns me.

Edited December 27, 2020 by EnigmaticWorld

[kninjahman]

Just now, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

 

Where do the concepts of Tawriya, Kitman, Taqiyya and Maruna come from, the Quaran or Hadiths, or a bit of both? As a fellow human I love you, but I have to be honest, that stuff concerns me.

 

Peace be upon you,

To be honest I have no idea what you just said :) lol

 

My understanding is that the Quran teaches peace and righteousness - there are versus on war that are often taken out of context, my understanding is fighting is forbidden except in circumstances where you are being attacked or your enemy is trying to kill you.

99% of "brand islam" comes from hadiths. 

 

Some examples for you:

Quran says there is no compulsion in religion.

Hadith says stone the apostate to death.

 

Quran says do NOT bow down to any idols - or anything made of rock

Hadith teaches to bow down before a cube made of rocks.

 

Quran says there is never two people alone but God is there as a 3rd.

Hadith says there is never two people alone but the Devil is there as a 3rd.

 

Quran says it is complete and fully detailed and is easy to understand.

Hadith claims to be needed to understand the Quran.

 

Quran teaches that you get married to WOMEN

Hadith says 9 year olds, or 6 year olds depending on which hadith.

 

The list goes on and on and on and on.....

The religion you witness in the world today called "islam" is not taught in the Quran.

[Wayfaring Stranger]

According to the De:4:30 prophecy the most important part is it has to be sincere. Saul's conversation would have been the start of the 'latter days' from that prophecy as what Paul wrote is helpful to Gentiles get through the time until the return' He would have read the Lord's Prayer from the Gospel of Luke (in Greek) so that is how God chose him, a Jew from the Gentile Nations to be one of the first people to take the 4 Gospels out of Judea and into the nations, like the City of Rome in , wait for it, Romans:13.

[MarpatV2]

On 12/5/2020 at 1:41 AM, Given To Fly said:

 

this sounds so good but how do you know that when you'e praying that you aren't praying to a demon ?

 

there is only one test to prove so.

Because you dedicate the prayer to a specific being/ deity?

 

[Wayfaring Stranger]

On 12/26/2020 at 7:36 PM, kninjahman said:

 

Quran teaches that you get married to WOMEN

Hadith says 9 year olds, or 6 year olds depending on which hadith.

 

The list goes on and on and on and on.....

The religion you witness in the world today called "islam" is not taught in the Quran.

Muslims are not really a part of the global slave trade. Sex slaves are not the  'main product' of that industry. 'Orgy Island' was a blackmail scheme by which group?

[Wayfaring Stranger]

4 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said:

Because you dedicate the prayer to a specific being/ deity?

 

Does this sound like what comes after is 'possible' in our modern world?

I started of with the Lord's Prayer and just as I was about to start my plea I got a vision that I was outside my body and saw myself, from the back and above, in a kneeling position with a mist a very short distance in front of me that obscured any further view.
I heard myself say "Master, I don't feel so good." A large hand came out of the mist and completely enclosed my body. This happened in a 'twinkling of an eye', I found myself enclosed in this hand and it scared me to no end because I struggled to be free of it's grasp but found I could move not even one little bit. This feeling of being scared lasted only for the briefest of moments.
What replaced it was the most peaceful feeling I have ever experienced, bar none, and to be quite truthful have not experienced that 'level' of peace since.
As soon as this wave of peace (meaning I was in the company of someone who cared for me much more than my words will ever be able to describe) overcame me the hand loosed it 'grip' on me and it opened and I found myself sitting on this palm facing the ends of the fingers and seeing further forward than that.
In front was a hallway, very tall and the walls were black. The walls were not smooth, but rather, had many indentations and sharp corners at these indentations. There was a faint light at each of these 'corners' and that was the only way I could tell the walls were not smooth, the rest was pitch black, I could see neither floor nor ceiling, only these faint corners.
We were moving down this hallway at a leisurely rate and as I was feeling very 'relaxed' I was going to change my sitting position so I had my hands behinACd my back and then I could lean back and rest on them. As I was leaning back one hand seemed to miss the expected surface that would support it and I ended up rolling to one side. I looked back to see what had 'gone wrong' and I observed a great hole in the palm of this hand. I immediately burst into tears and said with alarm "You've been hurt!"
I heard not a word but my tears left me and I spent the next few moments crawling around the hand, much like I did on the school-ground equipment when I was a small child.
This hallway had corners in addition to the indentations in that it was not straight as we have halls. We came around one corner and off to the right I could see a faint glow of light some distance down this other smaller hallway.
I asked "What's down there?" A voice (rather deep but very 'soothing') answered "You're not ready for this, but I will show you."
Off we went down this other hallway going around gently curving corners and the light got brighter with each corner we passed. In very short order we came out on a dusty,earthen path and I could see a sky. This path was rather narrow and had grass growing on either edge.
On the grass to the left there were several rabbits hopping around, a few bounds then they would stop and nibble the grass, a few more bounds, another nibble. Our presence did not disturb them in the least.
Just behind the rabbits, only a few yards from the path, was what I would best describe would be a three-wire barbed fence, not in the best of repair as the wire sagged a bit between the posts and none of the posts stood up properly but were tilted a bit at various angles.
A bit of distance from this was another fence made of planking, much like you would find around any farm that kept horses or cows, and behind were some farm buildings, house and small barn made of the same wood as the plank fence.
All the wood was very weathered but the condition of the buildings and fence would not warrant paint as this would be a waste because of their condition.
As I looked over at this scene I noticed several dogs in the yard. There was much running and yelping and much dust from all this activity. I could not determine if this activity was caused by our presence or not and if, in fact, the dogs were playing or it was a somewhat more serious matter they were involved in. The circles they made were small and done in quick fashion so in the short time I observed them they completed many circles.
The path we were on also had the gentle twists and turns like the hallways we had just came from did. We continued down this dusty path and came around another corner and came to a stop. The path ended here and was replaced by a large open space covered in lush grass, a short distance from us I could see gently rolling hill. I could see far enough to see three or four 'rows' of these hills, one behind the other. Very beautiful and serene but what was most astounding about these hills was that they were completely covered by people, standing so closely together that not one more person could have stood with them. There was a small open space between where the path ended and this large crowd stood, which is how I knew the grass was so lush.
On this grass, about midway between the end of the path and where the crowd started stood two people, one man, one woman. As remarkable as this whole scene was I was still even more astounded to see not one strand of hair on any of their heads, not one anywhere.
The two in front spoke no words but it was quite plain they were pleased to see 'Him'. No words were spoken to any from 'Him' either.
We turned and went back from where we had come from. Back into the little hallway till we turned left at the larger one.
We continued down this for some distance until we came to a doorway that was on our left.
I heard a voice say "This is a safe place for you."
The door opened and I went inside to a circular room about 50 steps in width. The room was decorated in many shades of brown and the 'outer wall' had shelves that went way round all filled with books. The middle had furnishings that matched the colors of the bookcases.
The door closed and I was alone.
I stood for a moment and went to the door and opened it just a crack. What I felt was sheer terror, and quickly re-closed the door and felt the terror was gone, as long as the door remained closed.
What was outside was not only terror but evil in that it had nothing good planned for me should I be foolish enough to open my door and go into the passage on my own.
I stood up at point.
 

 

[MarpatV2]

3 minutes ago, Wayfaring Stranger said:

Does this sound like what comes after is 'possible' in our modern world?

I started of with the Lord's Prayer and just as I was about to start my plea I got a vision that I was outside my body and saw myself, from the back and above, in a kneeling position with a mist a very short distance in front of me that obscured any further view.
I heard myself say "Master, I don't feel so good." A large hand came out of the mist and completely enclosed my body. This happened in a 'twinkling of an eye', I found myself enclosed in this hand and it scared me to no end because I struggled to be free of it's grasp but found I could move not even one little bit. This feeling of being scared lasted only for the briefest of moments.
What replaced it was the most peaceful feeling I have ever experienced, bar none, and to be quite truthful have not experienced that 'level' of peace since.
As soon as this wave of peace (meaning I was in the company of someone who cared for me much more than my words will ever be able to describe) overcame me the hand loosed it 'grip' on me and it opened and I found myself sitting on this palm facing the ends of the fingers and seeing further forward than that.
In front was a hallway, very tall and the walls were black. The walls were not smooth, but rather, had many indentations and sharp corners at these indentations. There was a faint light at each of these 'corners' and that was the only way I could tell the walls were not smooth, the rest was pitch black, I could see neither floor nor ceiling, only these faint corners.
We were moving down this hallway at a leisurely rate and as I was feeling very 'relaxed' I was going to change my sitting position so I had my hands behinACd my back and then I could lean back and rest on them. As I was leaning back one hand seemed to miss the expected surface that would support it and I ended up rolling to one side. I looked back to see what had 'gone wrong' and I observed a great hole in the palm of this hand. I immediately burst into tears and said with alarm "You've been hurt!"
I heard not a word but my tears left me and I spent the next few moments crawling around the hand, much like I did on the school-ground equipment when I was a small child.
This hallway had corners in addition to the indentations in that it was not straight as we have halls. We came around one corner and off to the right I could see a faint glow of light some distance down this other smaller hallway.
I asked "What's down there?" A voice (rather deep but very 'soothing') answered "You're not ready for this, but I will show you."
Off we went down this other hallway going around gently curving corners and the light got brighter with each corner we passed. In very short order we came out on a dusty,earthen path and I could see a sky. This path was rather narrow and had grass growing on either edge.
On the grass to the left there were several rabbits hopping around, a few bounds then they would stop and nibble the grass, a few more bounds, another nibble. Our presence did not disturb them in the least.
Just behind the rabbits, only a few yards from the path, was what I would best describe would be a three-wire barbed fence, not in the best of repair as the wire sagged a bit between the posts and none of the posts stood up properly but were tilted a bit at various angles.
A bit of distance from this was another fence made of planking, much like you would find around any farm that kept horses or cows, and behind were some farm buildings, house and small barn made of the same wood as the plank fence.
All the wood was very weathered but the condition of the buildings and fence would not warrant paint as this would be a waste because of their condition.
As I looked over at this scene I noticed several dogs in the yard. There was much running and yelping and much dust from all this activity. I could not determine if this activity was caused by our presence or not and if, in fact, the dogs were playing or it was a somewhat more serious matter they were involved in. The circles they made were small and done in quick fashion so in the short time I observed them they completed many circles.
The path we were on also had the gentle twists and turns like the hallways we had just came from did. We continued down this dusty path and came around another corner and came to a stop. The path ended here and was replaced by a large open space covered in lush grass, a short distance from us I could see gently rolling hill. I could see far enough to see three or four 'rows' of these hills, one behind the other. Very beautiful and serene but what was most astounding about these hills was that they were completely covered by people, standing so closely together that not one more person could have stood with them. There was a small open space between where the path ended and this large crowd stood, which is how I knew the grass was so lush.
On this grass, about midway between the end of the path and where the crowd started stood two people, one man, one woman. As remarkable as this whole scene was I was still even more astounded to see not one strand of hair on any of their heads, not one anywhere.
The two in front spoke no words but it was quite plain they were pleased to see 'Him'. No words were spoken to any from 'Him' either.
We turned and went back from where we had come from. Back into the little hallway till we turned left at the larger one.
We continued down this for some distance until we came to a doorway that was on our left.
I heard a voice say "This is a safe place for you."
The door opened and I went inside to a circular room about 50 steps in width. The room was decorated in many shades of brown and the 'outer wall' had shelves that went way round all filled with books. The middle had furnishings that matched the colors of the bookcases.
The door closed and I was alone.
I stood for a moment and went to the door and opened it just a crack. What I felt was sheer terror, and quickly re-closed the door and felt the terror was gone, as long as the door remained closed.
What was outside was not only terror but evil in that it had nothing good planned for me should I be foolish enough to open my door and go into the passage on my own.
I stood up at point.
 

 

Maybe it was only terror because you were told you werent ready for it. Evil is a bit of a vague word but is often used for anything deeply frightening.

 

Personally I would suspect there was something going on in your life at that time that triggered this vision, something that you werent able to deal with at that time.

[Wayfaring Stranger]

"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

 

Lots of liars around that were too close for comfort, still are only now I can spot them a mile away.  If I used that as incentive to start reading the Bible for myself do you think I would have gained any 'wisdom' about the book 35 years later?

Edited January 16, 2021 by Wayfaring Stranger