RobSS Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Macnamara said: no one said he was superior nature covers all of its bases in their environment the pigmies are going to be the supreme survivors. However they might not be as successful at basketball should we pretend that is not the case? Or should we celebrate the diversity that exists across the planet and marvel at natures genius? Sure there are differences between people, some people are short, some tall, etc., and etc. and etc., but it doesn't mean one is better or more evolved and advanced than the other. I'm don't subscribe to identity politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotGirl Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Macnamara said: will you feel the same way when your child comes home from school crying having been bullied for being white? you think that isn't the future that the cabal want for you? You mistakenly assume I'm a multiculturalist. I am not. I'm just not obsessed by race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, PatriotGirl said: I think your both wrong. Just like the antisemites and the philosemites. Any racial and ethnic identity politics is a waste of time. I'm don't subscribe to identity politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotGirl Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, RobSS said: Sure there are differences between people, some people are short, some tall, etc., and etc. and etc., but it doesn't mean one is better or more evolved and advanced than the other. I'm don't subscribe to identity politics. Playing the non-white victim role is identity politics. You and the racial nationalist are stuck in the same trap together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, PatriotGirl said: Playing the non-white victim role is identity politics. You and the racial nationalist are stuck in the same trap together. I don't play the victim, though, for trying to push a political agenda. I don't have any political agenda at all. Not interested in politics, let alone identity politics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotGirl Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, skitzorat said: I have not referred to "race" in any of my posts. It's such a problematic word that I deliberately avoid it. Too many people use it as their weak-minded, go-to weapon of choice to feign tears about the world with; mostly radical leftists in current times, but in much the same way it was used by eugenicists in the past. However, as I'm sure you know, Iberians are very different to Northern Europeans who are again different Celts who are again different from Slaves, but they're all European. Europeans have the most variation genes, hence being a People's of such diverse Colour. If people want to call that a "race" like Han Chinese, so be it. I do mention Europa's Peoples, Cultures and Histories (all plural) quite a bit in my posts, for such a reason. There is evidence that many, if not most, pre-modern human cultures all across the globe practiced some form of human sacrifice at some point or another. Many still do, even after they were introduced to the concept of Jesus Christ. I'd like to see evidence of this widespread cannibalism you speak of though; I'm learned in Classics and I don't recall the Spartans or Etruscans or even the Romans ever eating each other. I doubt the Goths were into it either, even prior to contact with the Mediterranean world. This is the first non low IQ answer in this thread. I want to take the time to properly respond but I desperately need some sleep now. I'll be back tomorrow or over the weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotGirl Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, RobSS said: I don't play the victim, though, for trying to push a political agenda. I don't have any political agenda at all. Not interested in politics, let alone identity politics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, RobSS said: Skin colour doesn't determine how good a singer is. true but we can add caveats to that for example how do we decide what is 'good' if taste is subjective? You could talk about what is technically good and you could say that a non white singer should get the part in an opera but what if the opera is rooted in a historic context? When it comes to conserving things the two key concepts are authenticity and integrity. Lets say that you have a viking long boat and it starts to rot so you replace the rotten boards one by one over time. Eventually the boat is made of completely different wood. As each piece was replaced with another piece that was the same shape the design integrity of the boat remains the same but as the wood has all been replaced the original marks from the craftsmans chisels have been lost so that you may lose the knowledge of the shape of the tool they used and the angle of the cut and the method they used. The mineral content of the original wood will be lost so you will no longer be able to analyse it and ascertain where it was taken from and how old it was and what type of wood it was and how it was treated You end up with something that looks like a viking boat but is no longer a viking boat But human culture is different because there is no desire to maintain the design integrity of the culture as its parts are gradually replaced. Instead it will fall apart and become something completely different Sure there may be some people who admire aspects of it and they embrace that for a while but over time even those people become replaced and with more and more people the desire to maintain the integrity of the old thing dissipates as new cultural pressures supplant them If you have an italian opera about the italian people at a time in italian history played by a cast of people who are not italian and have no cultural or ancestral links to italians then you have created an oddity. It is something that has the design integrity of the opera with none of the authenticity The next stage after that however (when its humans we are talking about) is that those people inevitably have less interest in a culture that they don't feel connected to and they explore their own cultural roots and that becomes what they want to reflect on stage and the original opera fades into obscurity and then dissapears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebird Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 12 minutes ago, PatriotGirl said: You have a pagan materialistic worldview that reduces humans to mere animals. This is exactly my problem with paganism. You have no soul. In that regard you're no different from the jews who have a materialistic worldview and don't believe is a afterlife either. Yes, you have ''problems'', and you project this on other people. You're just looking for a fight, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, RobSS said: Sure there are differences between people, some people are short, some tall, etc., and etc. and etc., but it doesn't mean one is better or more evolved and advanced than the other. I'm don't subscribe to identity politics. I see it more holistically. I see all humans as part of nature I see nature as incredibly diverse across the planet. In some places it is hot, in others cold. in some places it is lush and in others it is dry Humanity reflects the diversity of nature which it is part of Equity however does not see things this way. Equity is really all kinds of supremacy masked behind faux-morality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotGirl Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Firebird said: Yes, you have ''problems'', and you project this on other people. You're just looking for a fight, lol. Words are violence for woke crybullies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, PatriotGirl said: I was asked if I was ever a victim of abuse because of the colour of my skin. If I'd have said no, I'd be lying. Did you want me to lie? And btw, I've experienced abuse from both whites and blacks, but the vast majority of black and white people are not like that. But I don't play the victim card and use it for any political agenda or to blame an entire race that I don't like. I like all races, and see people for what they are by their character rather than what their skin colour is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotGirl Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Macnamara said: I see it more holistically. I see all humans as part of nature I see nature as incredibly diverse across the planet. In some places it is hot, in others cold. in some places it is lush and in others it is dry Humanity reflects the diversity of nature which it is part of Equity however does not see things this way. Equity is really all kinds of supremacy masked behind faux-morality The problems white nationalists point out are real. It's just that your solutions are always disastrous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 15 minutes ago, PatriotGirl said: You mistakenly assume I'm a multiculturalist. I am not. I'm just not obsessed by race. I'm not obsessed by race either I am perfectly happy with a planet of racial diversity what i am not happy about is that there are some malevolent people who are poisoning the people of my island with deathshots whilst replacing them with people from all around the world who they are then conditioning to hate me through critical race theory for the colour of my skin as i am not a retard i can see how that process ends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Macnamara said: true but we can add caveats to that for example how do we decide what is 'good' if taste is subjective? You could talk about what is technically good and you could say that a non white singer should get the part in an opera but what if the opera is rooted in a historic context? When it comes to conserving things the two key concepts are authenticity and integrity. Lets say that you have a viking long boat and it starts to rot so you replace the rotten boards one by one over time. Eventually the boat is made of completely different wood. As each piece was replaced with another piece that was the same shape the design integrity of the boat remains the same but as the wood has all been replaced the original marks from the craftsmans chisels have been lost so that you may lose the knowledge of the shape of the tool they used and the angle of the cut and the method they used. The mineral content of the original wood will be lost so you will no longer be able to analyse it and ascertain where it was taken from and how old it was and what type of wood it was and how it was treated You end up with something that looks like a viking boat but is no longer a viking boat But human culture is different because there is no desire to maintain the design integrity of the culture as its parts are gradually replaced. Instead it will fall apart and become something completely different Sure there may be some people who admire aspects of it and they embrace that for a while but over time even those people become replaced and with more and more people the desire to maintain the integrity of the old thing dissipates as new cultural pressures supplant them If you have an italian opera about the italian people at a time in italian history played by a cast of people who are not italian and have no cultural or ancestral links to italians then you have created an oddity. It is something that has the design integrity of the opera with none of the authenticity The next stage after that however (when its humans we are talking about) is that those people inevitably have less interest in a culture that they don't feel connected to and they explore their own cultural roots and that becomes what they want to reflect on stage and the original opera fades into obscurity and then dissapears The things you're talking about are things to do with casting, which have no bearing on how good a singer is technically. Skin colour does not bestow a person with a better singing technique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, PatriotGirl said: The problems white nationalists point out are real. It's just that your solutions are always disastrous i don't think it is just white people who should be concerned by what's going on i think ALL people should see that these things are being done with an end game in mind and i invite ALL people to ask themselves if that really is the future that they want for themselves and the wider world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotGirl Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, RobSS said: I was asked if I was ever a victim of abuse because of the colour of my skin. If I'd have said no, I'd be lying. Did you want me to lie? And btw, I've experienced abuse from both whites and blacks, but the vast majority of black and white people are not like that. But I don't play the victim card and use it for any political agenda or to blame an entire race that I don't like. I like all races, and see people for what they are by their character rather than what their skin colour is. I remember you started another thread whining about white on black racism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, RobSS said: The things you're talking about are things to do with casting, which have no bearing on how good a singer is technically. Skin colour does not bestow a person with a better singing technique. that is the attitude which is seeing historic people who were white being played by black actors and actresses on british tv Here is TV lands inauthentic depiction of anne bolyn: Edited January 6, 2022 by Macnamara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotGirl Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Macnamara said: i don't think it is just white people who should be concerned by what's going on i think ALL people should see that these things are being done with an end game in mind and i invite ALL people to ask themselves if that really is the future that they want for themselves and the wider world You can't reason with demoralized people whatever their race or religious background is, you can't force them to listen. You can only show them the right way and lead by example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, PatriotGirl said: I remember you started another thread whining about white on black racism. Perhaps you remembered it wrongly. If you quote anything I'd said that promotes identity politics, I'd like to see it, but it's not something you'll be able to find because I've never identified with any label. Even as a singer, i don't adopt labels. Labels are for pigeons. I always try to present a balanced picture. If I mention white on black prejudice, I'm always happy to say that it can be the other way round, so no, I don't make capitalise out of racial abuse. Racial prejudice and abuse is wrong, period. Edited January 6, 2022 by RobSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Macnamara said: that is the attitude which is seeing historic people who were white beiong played by black actors and actresses on british tv Here is TV lands inauthentic depiction of anne bolyn: Again, that's to do with casting, and nothing to do with an ability to act or sing. Acting and singing, in and of itself, has nothing to do with skin colour. What you're on about is casting - totally different kettle of fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skitzorat Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 hour ago, PatriotGirl said: removing immigrants and jews is not going to make any difference. If you want your people to survive you need to fix your people and stop blaming others Ugh.. I've just read back through this feed and I now see you're another one of these people. I bow out of discussing this thread with people that carry this attitude as they enter the room. In my experience, they only poke their nose in this thread to stir up anger and shit all over the people who regularly post here's opinions and personal feelings about this politically sensitive situation 1 hour ago, PatriotGirl said: Maybe you should try to fix that instead of playing the victim role and blaming other races and religions for your problems. Oh do fk off Rob2.0 Your self-righteous holier than thou attitude is stale. Save it for people who care, we dont. 19 minutes ago, PatriotGirl said: This is the first non low IQ answer in this thread. Flattered. I am flattered. that you would honour me such a complement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, RobSS said: I always try to present a balanced picture. no Rob that was not what you were doing yes the poster who made the statement that prompted you to start that thread had made his point in a hyerbolic way but the essential point that he was trying to make was true he was trying to say that the prevailing racism within the system ie whats pushed down on society, from above, through the corporate media, the state media, the education system and the government is one of anti-white racism Everything the british establishment is doing at the moment is fuelling the destruction of the british people and not being happy about that does not make someone hateful or bigoted. Genocide is wrong Edited January 6, 2022 by Macnamara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotGirl Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Macnamara said: that is the attitude which is seeing historic people who were white beiong played by black actors and actresses on british tv Here is TV lands inauthentic depiction of anne bolyn: They do this to trigger you. When you're triggered you're in a emotional state and unable to see clearly. They do this to both sides of this debate. They want you at each others throats. When you control your emotions it will be easier to see the big picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, RobSS said: Again, that's to do with casting, and nothing to do with an ability to act or sing. Acting and singing, in and of itself, has nothing to do with skin colour. What you're on about is casting - totally different kettle of fish. Yes i'm talking about replacement yes and the world used to sound like it understood that ethnocide and genocide were not a good thing but now it seems like many people are cheering it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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