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10 minutes ago, Weedo said:

Don't worry about being hacked or even dying for what you believe to be the truth. Just say it. 

 

Mate, I have loved ones to worry about, I don't want a knock on the door for thought crimes on the internet. I don't have the same right to free speech as other groups. There is only so much I will say on a forum like this about certain historical events.

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1 hour ago, skitzorat said:

I notice he never talks about the atrocious historical behaviour of the Ottomans or the Berbers which I've mentioned several times (side note, maybe if the Ottomans hadn't conquered the Christian City of Constantinople in 1453 the European age of discovery may never happened the way it did as Columbus set off in 1492 to find another route to India as the Muslims had taken over the trade routes to the East)... but what's truly galling.. and the thing that gets on my tits (apart from his circular attempt at arguments) is that out of the forums and subsections he comes to the "Is there an Agenda to reduce the Europeans" where there are 33 pages worth of evidences and yet he has the fucking cheek to saying, over and over "White people deserve" it and tries to justify what's currently happening.. I wish he'd fuck off to another section because as he has made quite clear, numerous times,  he doesn't like European people...and given is hateful posts (which I identified earlier) this isn't the subforum for him to explore the conspiracy...

 

And no, I'm not sorry for the sins of the past.. it was the elites of the past, same as today who organised and planned most of atrocities (same as forever, everywhere) everyday folk just had to do what they were told....and most European settlers in the New World were just poor folk risking it all to build a better life for their family and descendants... I refuse to compelled to submit to WHITE MAN BAD and have big 100M native American GENOCIDE posters plastered in this particular subforum.. especially coming from a self confessed Muslim who openly has distain for Europeans and our culture

That is simply not true. I spoke many times about the crimes of the ottomans, but maybe you didnt like how I said a fact that Christians under ottoman rule had more rights than Africans under apartheid. 

 

I am very clear that most Muslims in history are bad, and I won't defend isis, just because there is Islamophobia, and whites who went to Iraq and Afghanistan to listen to heavy metal music while killing those sand niggerz. Those Muslims who are all terrosits.. Or have you forgotten? Or you don't care? Or you only care about 'whites'? 

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Just now, Weedo said:

One must clearly condemn douche bags, and stop making excuses for them. Saying apartheid is justified, or that white people who did atrocities in countless countries aren't responsible, because some satanics were controlling them, is no excuse. 

 

Whoever defends and does not condemn criminals of the past, are to me the criminals of today in-waiting. 

GFKD.

 

NO ONE on here is DEFENDING the Colonial past or justifying the actions of The Crowned heads of Europe or the Powers that governed the different settlements of the Americas...however, there are explanations for it; technology/human nature - we, as Europeans, are DEFENDING our very right to exist given our continent has been and continues to be at increasing pace invaded by hostile peoples ALL of whom don't like Western culture....then they complain when here, demand poor peoples taxes as benefits, demand we change our laws, cut the heads of our teachers in the streets for TALKING about a cartoon and rape our children in vast numbers... and now our children can't even go to school or leave the house without our own society telling them they're evil... 

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BTW Apartheid just meant apart... if you look at SA over the past 20odd years.. mixing together hasn't faired well.....for anyone, except, of course, the Elites.

 

Whoever defends and does not condemn criminals of the past, are to me the criminals of today in-waiting. 

Again, no utter condemnation of your culture/religiosity - where barbaric practices are STILL occurring... no, just a little "some Muslims are douches" in passing... go look in a mirror... or get off the internet.. you know, the thing that Western culture and that big evil AMERICA developed! And if we're being honest - most of the violent criminals in European countries right now - today in waiting - are who...... yeah... not the native peoples

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2 hours ago, skitzorat said:

I notice he never talks about the atrocious historical behaviour of the Ottomans or the Berbers which I've mentioned several times (side note, maybe if the Ottomans hadn't conquered the Christian City of Constantinople in 1453 the European age of discovery may never happened the way it did as Columbus set off in 1492 to find another route to India as the Muslims had taken over the trade routes to the East)... but what's truly galling.. and the thing that gets on my tits (apart from his circular attempt at arguments) is that out of the forums and subsections he comes to the "Is there an Agenda to reduce the Europeans" where there are 33 pages worth of evidences and yet he has the fucking cheek to saying, over and over "White people deserve" it and tries to justify what's currently happening.. I wish he'd fuck off to another section because as he has made quite clear, numerous times,  he doesn't like European people...and given is hateful posts (which I identified earlier) this isn't the subforum for him to explore the conspiracy...

 

And no, I'm not sorry for the sins of the past.. it was the elites of the past, same as today who organised and planned most of atrocities (same as forever, everywhere) everyday folk just had to do what they were told....and most European settlers in the New World were just poor folk risking it all to build a better life for their family and descendants... I refuse to compelled to submit to WHITE MAN BAD and have big 100M native American GENOCIDE posters plastered in this particular subforum.. especially coming from a self confessed Muslim who openly has distain for Europeans and our culture

And just to add to this post about me. So good you refuse to condemn the crimes of white people en Masse in all colonised stolen lands. And then because I do, I am a hater of europe. Good to see your true colors and all who like your nonsense hatred 

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13 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Okay, well I haven't defended colonists, only my right to exist. You know my views on that subject as a nationalist that values self-determination. Feel free to debate others though.

OK I don't know why some people act like they are linked to murderers and rapists. You condemn the criminals of the past and they feel like you're talking about them. Tells me a lot about their spiritual qualities. 

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3 minutes ago, Weedo said:

Or you only care about 'whites'? 

no, I care about Humans in general.... and love the complexity of cultures.. however, this isn't a thread to bleed hearts about other races... the clue is in the title.... you're hijacking the thread trying to demand those contributing here bow down and condemn our ancestors which I, personally, am not going to do.. not just out of principle, but because there's no need for me to do so... and just because I won't doesn't mean I hate other races, am a White Supremist (which means just a white person breathing these days) or agree with what happened over the past 500 years out of 6000 of recorded history...PO

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2 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

no, I care about Humans in general.... and love the complexity of cultures.. however, this isn't a thread to bleed hearts about other races... the clue is in the title.... you're hijacking the thread trying to demand those contributing here bow down and condemn our ancestors which I, personally, am not going to do.. not just out of principle, but because there's no need for me to do so... and just because I won't doesn't mean I hate other races, am a White Supremist (which means just a white person breathing these days) or agree with what happened over the past 500 years out of 6000 of recorded history...PO

Good you openly don't want to condemn rapists, murderers, thieves and liars who are a big reason for people's anger and justification of negative emotions towards white man. No need to address causes of effects? That's you opinion, and not a very logical one. 

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53 minutes ago, Weedo said:

I have the same problem as a Muslim. Most muslims in history have been douche bags.

 

Saying ....that white people who did atrocities in countless countries aren't responsible, because some satanics were controlling them, is no excuse.

 

I don't think you are getting the full picture there

 

Lets take muslims for example. Much of what has been termed 'extremist islam' has in fact been controlled by satanics (sabbateans/donmeh) and most muslims are NOT responsible for that.

Conspiracy in the Middle East Revealed: The Donmeh, the Wahhabi and Zionism’s Sephardic Jewry

The Dönmeh: The Middle East’s Most Whispered Secret (Part I)

Wayne MADSEN
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There is a historical “eight hundred pound gorilla” lurking in the background of almost every serious military and diplomatic incident involving Israel, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Greece, Armenia, the Kurds, the Assyrians, and some other players in the Middle East and southeastern Europe. It is a factor that is generally only whispered about at diplomatic receptions, news conferences, and think tank sessions due to the explosiveness and controversial nature of the subject. And it is the secretiveness attached to the subject that has been the reason for so much misunderstanding about the current breakdown in relations between Israel and Turkey, a growing warming of relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia, and increasing enmity between Saudi Arabia and Iran…

Although known to historians and religious experts, the centuries-old political and economic influence of a group known in Turkish as the “Dönmeh” is only beginning to cross the lips of Turks, Arabs, and Israelis who have been reluctant to discuss the presence in Turkey and elsewhere of a sect of Turks descended from a group of Sephardic Jews who were expelled from Spain during the Spanish Inquisition in the 16th and 17th centuries. These Jewish refugees from Spain were welcomed to settle in the Ottoman Empire and over the years they converted to a mystical sect of Islam that eventually mixed Jewish Kabbala and Islamic Sufi semi-mystical beliefs into a sect that eventually championed secularism in post-Ottoman Turkey. It is interesting that “Dönmeh” not only refers to the Jewish “untrustworthy converts” to Islam in Turkey but it is also a derogatory Turkish word for a transvestite, or someone who is claiming to be someone they are not.

The Donmeh sect of Judaism was founded in the 17th century by Rabbi Sabbatai Zevi, a Kabbalist who believed he was the Messiah but was forced to convert to Islam by Sultan Mehmet IV, the Ottoman ruler. Many of the rabbi’s followers, known as Sabbateans, but also “crypto-Jews,” publicly proclaimed their Islamic faith but secretly practiced their hybrid form of Judaism, which was unrecognized by mainstream Jewish rabbinical authorities. Because it was against their beliefs to marry outside their sect, the Dönmeh created a rather secretive sub-societal clan.

The Dönmeh rise to power in Turkey

Many Dönmeh, along with traditional Jews, became powerful political and business leaders in Salonica. It was this core group of Dönmeh, which organized the secret Young Turks, also known as the Committee of Union and Progress, the secularists who deposed Ottoman Sultan Abdulhamid II in the 1908 revolution, proclaimed the post-Ottoman Republic of Turkey after World War I, and who instituted a campaign that stripped Turkey of much of its Islamic identity after the fall of the Ottomans. Abdulhamid II was vilified by the Young Turks as a tyrant, but his only real crime appears to have been to refuse to meet Zionist leader Theodore Herzl during a visit to Constantinople in 1901 and reject Zionist and Dönmeh offers of money in return for the Zionists to be granted control of Jerusalem.

Like other leaders who have crossed the Zionists, Sultan Adulhamid II appears to have sealed his fate with the Dönmeh with this statement to his Ottoman court: “Advise Dr. Herzl not to take any further steps in his project. I cannot give away even a handful of the soil of this land for it is not my own, it belongs to the entire Islamic nation. The Islamic nation fought jihad for the sake of this land and had watered it with their blood. The Jews may keep their money and millions. If the Islamic Khalifate state is one day destroyed then they will be able to take Palestine without a price! But while I am alive, I would rather push a sword into my body than see the land of Palestine cut and given away from the Islamic state.” After his ouster by Ataturk’s Young Turk Dönmeh in 1908, Abdulhamid II was jailed in the Donmeh citadel of Salonica. He died in Constantinople in 1918, three years after Ibn Saud agreed to a Jewish homeland in Palestine and one year after Lord Balfour deeded Palestine away to the Zionists in his letter to Baron Rothschild.

One of the Young Turk leaders in Salonica was Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the Republic of Turkey. When Greece achieved sovereignty over Salonica in 1913, many Dönmeh, unsuccessful at being re-classified Jewish, moved to Constantinople, later re-named Istanbul. Others moved to Izmir, Bursa, and Ataturk’s newly-proclaimed capital and future seat of Ergenekon power, Ankara.

Some texts suggest that the Dönmeh numbered no more than 150,000 and were mainly found in the army, government, and business. However, other experts suggest that the Dönmeh may have represented 1.5 million Turks and were even more powerful than believed by many and extended to every facet of Turkish life. One influential Donmeh, Tevfik Rustu Arak, was a close friend and adviser to Ataturk and served as Turkey’s Foreign Minister from 1925 to 1938.

Ataturk, who was reportedly himself a Dönmeh, ordered that Turks abandon their own Muslim-Arabic names. The name of the first Christian emperor of Rome, Constantine, was erased from the largest Turkish city, Constantinople. The city became Istanbul, after the Ataturk government in 1923 objected to the traditional name. There have been many questions about Ataturk’s own name, since “Mustapha Kemal Ataturk” was a pseudonym. Some historians have suggested that Ataturk adopted his name because he was a descendant of none other than Rabbi Zevi, the self-proclaimed Messiah of the Dönmeh! Ataturk also abolished Turkey’s use of the Arabic script and forced the country to adopt the western alphabet.

Modern Turkey: a secret Zionist state controlled by the Dönmeh

Ataturk’s suspected strong Jewish roots, information about which was suppressed for decades by a Turkish government that forbade anything critical of the founder of modern Turkey, began bubbling to the surface, first, mostly outside of Turkey and in publications written by Jewish authors. The 1973 book, The Secret Jews, by Rabbi Joachim Prinz, maintains that Ataturk and his finance minister, Djavid Bey, were both committed Dönmeh and that they were in good company because “too many of the Young Turks in the newly formed revolutionary Cabinet prayed to Allah, but had their real prophet [Sabbatai Zevi, the Messiah of Smyrna].” In The Forward of January 28, 1994, Hillel Halkin wrote in The New York Sun that Ataturk recited the Jewish Shema Yisrael (“Hear O Israel”), saying that it was “my prayer too.” The information is recounted from an autobiography by journalist Itamar Ben-Avi, who claims Ataturk, then a young Turkish army captain, revealed he was Jewish in a Jerusalem hotel bar one rainy night during the winter of 1911. In addition, Ataturk attended the Semsi Effendi grade school in Salonica, run by a Dönmeh named Simon Zevi. Halkin wrote in the New York Sun article about an email he received from a Turkish colleague: “I now know – know (and I haven’t a shred of doubt) – that Ataturk’s father’s family was indeed of Jewish stock.”

It was Ataturk’s and the Young Turks’ support for Zionism, the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, after World War I and during Nazi rule in Europe that endeared Turkey to Israel and vice versa. An article in The Forward of May 8, 2007, revealed that Dönmeh dominated Turkish leadership “from the president down, as well as key diplomats . . . and a great part of Turkey’s military, cultural, academic, economic, and professional elites” kept Turkey out of a World War II alliance with Germany, and deprived Hitler of a Turkish route to the Baku oilfields.” In his book, The Donme: Jewish Converts, Muslim Revolutionaries and Secular Turks, Professor Marc David Baer wrote that many advanced to exalted positions in the Sufi religious orders.

Israel has always been reluctant to describe the Turkish massacre of the Armenians by the Turks in 1915 as “genocide.” It has always been believed that the reason for Israel’s reticence was not to upset Israel’s close military and diplomatic ties with Turkey. However, more evidence is being uncovered that the Armenian genocide was largely the work of the Dönmeh leadership of the Young Turks. Historians like Ahmed Refik, who served as an intelligence officer in the Ottoman army, averred that it was the aim of the Young Turks to destroy the Armenians, who were mostly Christian. The Young Turks, under Ataturk’s direction, also expelled Greek Christians from Turkish cities and attempted to commit a smaller-scale genocide of the Assyrians, who were also mainly Christian.

One Young Turk from Salonica, Mehmet Talat, was the official who carried out the genocide of the Armenians and Assyrians. A Venezuelan mercenary who served in the Ottoman army, Rafael de Nogales Mendez, noted in his annals of the Armenian genocide that Talat was known as the “renegade Hebrew of Salonica.” Talat was assassinated in Germany in 1921 by an Armenian whose entire family was lost in the genocide ordered by the “renegade Hebrew.” It is believed by some historians of the Armenian genocide that the Armenians, known as good businessmen, were targeted by the business-savvy Dönmeh because they were considered to be commercial competitors.

It is not, therefore, the desire to protect the Israeli-Turkish alliance that has caused Israel to eschew any interest in pursuing the reasons behind the Armenian genocide, but Israel’s and the Dönmeh’s knowledge that it was the Dönmeh leadership of the Young Turks that not only murdered hundreds of thousands of Armenians and Assyrians but who also stamped out Turkey’s traditional Muslim customs and ways. Knowledge that it was Dönmeh, in a natural alliance with the Zionists of Europe, who were responsible for the deaths of Armenian and Assyrian Christians, expulsion from Turkey of Greek Orthodox Christians, and the cultural and religious eradication of Turkish Islamic traditions, would issue forth in the region a new reality. Rather than Greek and Turkish Cypriots living on a divided island, Armenians holding a vendetta against the Turks, and Greeks and Turks feuding over territory, all the peoples attacked by the Dönmeh would realize that they had a common foe that was their actual persecutor.

Challenging Dönmeh rule: Turkey’s battle against the Ergenekon

It is the purging of the Kemalist adherents of Ataturk and his secular Dönmeh regime that is behind the investigation of the Ergenekon conspiracy in Turkey. Ergenekon’s description matches up completely with the Dönmeh presence in Turkey’s diplomatic, military, judicial, religious, political, academic, business, and journalist hierarchy. Ergenekon attempted to stop the reforms instituted by successive non-Dönmeh Turkish leaders, including the re-introduction of traditional Turkish Islamic customs and rituals, by planning a series of coups, some successful like that which deposed Prime Minister Necmettin Erbakan’s Refah (Welfare) Islamist government in 1996 and some unsuccessful, like OPERATION SLEDGEHEMMER, which was aimed at deposing Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in 2003. Some Islamist-leaning reformists, including Turkish President Turgut Ozal and Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit, died under suspicious circumstances. Deposed democratically-elected Prime Minister Adnan Menderes was hanged in 1961, following a military coup.

American politicians and journalists, whose knowledge of the history of countries like Turkey and the preceding Ottoman Empire, is often severely lacking, have painted the friction between Israel’s government and the Turkish government of Prime Minister Erdogan as based on Turkey’s drift to Islamism and the Arab world. Far from it, Erdogan and his Justice and Development Party (AKP) seem to have finally seen a way to break free from the domination and cruelty of the Dönmeh, whether in the form of Kemalist followers of Ataturk or nationalist schemers and plotters in Ergenekon. But with Turkey’s “Independence Day” has come vitriol from the Dönmeh and their natural allies in Israel and the Israel Lobby in the United States and Europe. Turkey as a member of the European Union was fine for Europe as long as the Dönmeh remained in charge and permitted Turkey’s wealth to be looted by central bankers like has occurred in Greece.

When Israel launched its bloody attack on the Turkish Gaza aid vessel, the Mavi Marmara, on May 31, 2010, the reason was not so much the ship’s running of the Israeli blockade of Gaza. The brutality of the Israelis in shooting unarmed Turks and one Turkish-American, some at point blank range, according to a UN report, indicated that Israel was motivated by something else: vengeance and retaliation for the Turkish government’s crackdown on Ergenekon, the purging of the Turkish military and intelligence senior ranks of Dönmeh, and reversing the anti-Muslim religious and cultural policies set down by the Dönmeh’s favorite son, Ataturk, some ninety years before. In effect, the Israeli attack on the Mavi Marmara was in retaliation for Turkey’s jailing of several top Turkish military officers, journalists, and academics, all accused of being part of the Ergenekon plot to overthrow the AKP government in 2003. Hidden in the Ergenekon coup plot is that the Dönmeh and Ergenekon are connected through their history of being Kemalists, ardent secularists, pro-Israeli, and pro-Zionist.

With tempers now flaring between Iran on one side and Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the United States on the other, as the result of a dubious claim by U.S. law enforcement that Iran was planning to carry out the assassination of the Saudi ambassador to the United States on American soil, the long-standing close, but secretive relationship between Israel and Saudi Arabia is coming to the forefront. The Israeli-Saudi connection had flourished during OPERATION DESERT STORM, when both countries were on the receiving end of Saddam Hussein’s Scud missiles.

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The Dönmeh: The Middle East’s Most Whispered Secret (Part II)

Wayne MADSEN
strategic-culture.org

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What will surprise those who may already be surprised about the Dönmeh connection to Turkey, is the Dönmeh connection to the House of Saud in Saudi Arabia.
An Iraqi Mukhabarat (General Military Intelligence Directorate) Top Secret report, “The Emergence of Wahhabism and its Historical Roots,” dated September 2002 and released on March 13, 2008, by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency in translated English form, points to the Dönmeh roots of the founder of the Saudi Wahhabi sect of Islam, Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab. Much of the information is gleaned from the memoirs of a “Mr. Humfer,” (as spelled in the DIA report, “Mr. Hempher” as spelled the historical record) a British spy who used the name “Mohammad,” claimed to be an Azeri who spoke Turkish, Persian, and Arabic and who made contact with Wahhab in the mid-18th century with a view of creating a sect of Islam that would eventually bring about an Arab revolt against the Ottomans and pave the way for the introduction of a Jewish state in Palestine. Humfer’s memoirs are recounted by the Ottoman writer and admiral Ayyub Sabri Pasha in his 1888 work, “The Beginning and Spreading of Wahhabism.”

In his book, The Dönmeh Jews, D. Mustafa Turan writes that Wahhab’s grandfather, Tjen Sulayman, was actually Tjen Shulman, a member of the Jewish community of Basra, Iraq. The Iraqi intelligence report also states that in his book, The Dönmeh Jews and the Origin of the Saudi Wahhabis, Rifat Salim Kabar reveals that Shulman eventually settled in the Hejaz, in the village of al-Ayniyah what is now Saudi Arabia, where his grandson founded the Wahhabi sect of Islam. The Iraqi intelligence report states that Shulman had been banished from Damascus, Cairo, and Mecca for his “quackery.” In the village, Shulman sired Abdul Wahhab. Abdel Wahhab’s son, Muhammad, founded modern Wahhabism.

The Iraqi report also makes some astounding claims about the Saud family. It cites Abdul Wahhab Ibrahim al-Shammari’s book, The Wahhabi Movement: The Truth and Roots, which states that King Abdul Aziz Ibn Saud, the first Kingdom of Saudi Arabia monarch, was descended from Mordechai bin Ibrahim bin Moishe, a Jewish merchant also from Basra. In Nejd, Moishe joined the Aniza tribe and changed his name to Markhan bin Ibrahim bin Musa. Eventually, Mordechai married off his son, Jack Dan, who became Al-Qarn, to a woman from the Anzah tribe of the Nejd. From this union, the future Saud family was born.

The Iraqi intelligence document reveals that the researcher Mohammad Sakher was the subject of a Saudi contract murder hit for his examination into the Sauds’ Jewish roots. In Said Nasir’s book, The History of the Saud Family, it is maintained that in 1943, the Saudi ambassador to Egypt, Abdullah bin Ibrahim al Muffadal, paid Muhammad al Tamami to forge a family tree showing that the Sauds and Wahhabs were one family that descended directly from the Prophet Mohammed.

At the outset of World War I, a Jewish British officer from India, David Shakespeare, met with Ibn Saud in Riyadh and later led a Saudi army that defeated a tribe opposed to Ibn Saud. In 1915, Ibn Saud met with the British envoy to the Gulf region, Bracey Cocas. Cocas made the following offer to Ibn Saud: “I think this is a guarantee for your endurance as it is in the interest of Britain that the Jews have a homeland and existence, and Britain’s interests are, by all means, in your interest.” Ibn Saud, the descendant of Dönmeh from Basra, responded: “Yes, if my acknowledgement means so much to you, I acknowledge thousand times granting a homeland to the Jews in Palestine or other than Palestine.” Two years later, British Foreign Secretary Lord Balfour, in a letter to Baron Walter Rothschild, a leader of the British Zionists, stated: “His Majesty’s government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people . . .” The deal had the tacit backing of two of the major players in the region, both descendant from Dönmeh Jews who supported the Zionist cause, Kemal Ataturk and Ibn Saud. The present situation in the Middle East should be seen in this light but the history of the region has been purged by certain religious and political interests for obvious reasons.

After World War I, the British facilitated the coming to power of the Saud regime in the former Hejaz and Nejd provinces of the Ottoman Empire. The Sauds established Wahhabism as the state religion of the new Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and, like the Kemalist Dönmeh in Turkey, began to move against other Islamic beliefs and sects, including the Sunnis and Shi’as. The Wahhabi Sauds accomplished what the Kemalist Dönmeh were able to achieve in Turkey: a fractured Middle East that was ripe for Western imperialistic designs and laid the groundwork for the creation of the Zionist state of Israel.

Deep states and Dönmeh

During two visits to Turkey in 2010, I had the opportunity of discussing the Ergenekon “deep state” with leading Turkish officials. It was more than evident that discussions about the Ergenekon network and its “foreign” connections are a highly-sensitive subject. However, it was also whispered by one high-ranking Turkish foreign policy official that there were other “deep states” in surrounding nations and Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Syria were mentioned by name. Considering the links between Ergenekon and the Dönmeh in Turkey and the close intelligence and military links between the Dönmeh-descendent Sauds and Wahhabis in Arabia, the reports of close links between ousted Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and his intelligence chief Omar Suleiman and the Binyamin Netanyahu government in Israel may be seen in an entirely new light… And it would explain Erdogan’s support for Egypt’s revolution: in Turkey, it was a democratic revolution that curbed the influence of the Dönmeh. The influence of Wahhabi Salafists in Libya’s new government also explains why Erdogan was keen on establishing relations with the Benghazi-based rebels to help supplant the influence of the Wahhabis, the natural allies of his enemies, the Dönmeh (Ergenekon) of Turkey.

Erdogan’s desire to set the historical record straight by restoring history purged by the Kemalists and Dönmeh has earned him vitriolic statements from Israel’s government that he is a neo-Ottomanist who is intent on forming an alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood in the Arab countries. Clearly, the Dönmeh and their Zionist brethren in Israel and elsewhere are worried about Dönmeh and Zionist historical revisionism, including their role in the Armenian and Assyrian genocide, and their genocide denial being exposed.

In Egypt, which was once an Ottoman realm, it was a popular revolution that tossed out what may have amounted to the Dönmeh with regard to the Mubarak regime. The Egyptian “Arab Spring” also explains why the Israelis were quick to kill six Egyptian border police so soon after nine Turkish passengers were killed aboard the Mavi Marmara, some in execution style, by Israeli troops. Dönmeh doctrine is rife with references to the Old Testament Amalekites, a nomadic tribe ordered attacked by the Hebrews from Egypt by the Jewish God to make room for Moses’s followers in the southern region of Palestine. In the Book of Judges, God unsuccessfully commands Saul: “Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, and infant, ox, and sheep, camel and donkey.” The Dönmeh, whose doctrine is also present in Hasidic and other orthodox sects of Judaism, appear to have no problem substituting the Armenians, Assyrians, Turks, Kurds, Egyptians, Iraqis, Lebanese, Iranians, and Palestinians for the Amalekites in carrying out their military assaults and pogroms.

With reformist governments in Turkey and Egypt much more willing to look into the background of those who have split the Islamic world, Ataturk in Turkey and Mubarak in Egypt, the Sauds are likely very much aware that it is only a matter of time before their links, both modern and historical, to Israel will be fully exposed. It makes sense that the Sauds have been successful in engineering a dubious plot involving Iranian government agents trying to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to Washington in an unnamed Washington, DC restaurant. The Iraqi intelligence report could have been referring to the Zionists and Dönmeh when it stated, “it strives to . . . [the] killing of Muslims, destructing, and promoting the turmoil.” In fact, the Iraqi intelligence report was referring to the Wahhabis.

With new freedom in Turkey and Egypt to examine their pasts, there is more reason for Israel and its supporters, as well as the Sauds, to suppress the true histories of the Ottoman Empire, secular Turkey, the origins of Israel, and the House of Saud. With various players now angling for war with Iran, the true history of the Dönmeh and their influence on past and current events in the Middle East becomes more important.

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1 minute ago, Weedo said:

OK I don't know why some people act like they are linked to murderers and rapists. You condemn the criminals of the past and they feel like you're talking about them. Tells me a lot about their spiritual qualities. 

 

I don't understand, aren't we all linked to murderers and rapists, or is there a group of people that have a perfect lineage? I find it hard to believe that there are people that have ancestors that never did bad things. Admittedly some of it is only crimes against their own tribe and not against others. I can also understand that when an outside group causes you pain that it can cause a lot of long-term trauma that is hard to heal.

 

While we may all be part of the human family, we still have to accept that to much of the world, things are often about race or religion. I don't always mean in a negative way though, I'm just saying that a lot of the world still values their heritage or tradition, and has in-group preference. I know Islam takes a difference stance on that though and I don't hold it against you. I mean in the sense that Islam doesn't put as much emphasis on nations or race, and when I say nations, I mean in the traditional sense, not land but a group of people.

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15 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

GFKD.

 

NO ONE on here is DEFENDING the Colonial past or justifying the actions of The Crowned heads of Europe or the Powers that governed the different settlements of the Americas...however, there are explanations for it; technology/human nature - we, as Europeans, are DEFENDING our very right to exist given our continent has been and continues to be at increasing pace invaded by hostile peoples ALL of whom don't like Western culture....then they complain when here, demand poor peoples taxes as benefits, demand we change our laws, cut the heads of our teachers in the streets for TALKING about a cartoon and rape our children in vast numbers... and now our children can't even go to school or leave the house without our own society telling them they're evil... 

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BTW Apartheid just meant apart... if you look at SA over the past 20odd years.. mixing together hasn't faired well.....for anyone, except, of course, the Elites.

 

Whoever defends and does not condemn criminals of the past, are to me the criminals of today in-waiting. 

Again, no utter condemnation of your culture/religiosity - where barbaric practices are STILL occurring... no, just a little "some Muslims are douches" in passing... go look in a mirror... or get off the internet.. you know, the thing that Western culture and that big evil AMERICA developed! And if we're being honest - most of the violent criminals in European countries right now - today in waiting - are who...... yeah... not the native peoples

Your rude language and hate is evident from your words. A typical hater who defends people "looking for a better life", on account of native "savages", with use of some "niggerrs" who are less human of course. Go ahead you are just exposing yourself further. 

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9 minutes ago, Weedo said:

Your rude language and hate is evident from your words. A typical hater who defends people "looking for a better life", on account of native "savages", with use of some "niggerrs" who are less human of course. Go ahead you are just exposing yourself further. 

Hey Weedo? Do u think  any criticism of the 'chosen ones' is bad?

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I've said elsewhere on the forum that the border force and RNLI are basically acting as a taxi service for migrants over the channel and now the ex-border force chief has said the same thing, describing it as a 'collection service'.

 

What they do is go out in a dinghy and one guy will climb out the side into the sea and they will then call it in as an 'emergency' so that the RNLI will scramble and pick them up. It should be the french under international law.

'France is making a mockery of UK': Furious Tories accuse Priti Patel of 'throwing good money after bad' with £54m Anglo-French migrant patrol deal - as ex-Border Force chief officer says UK is simply 'operating a collection service' in Channel

  • Furious Tories ordered Home Secretary Priti Patel to get tough with France and stop being 'fobbed off'
  • Ms Patel said millions who have travelled across Europe are amassing 'along entire French coastline'  
  • Tim Loughton said 'giving France more money to carry on doing what they're doing badly, it's ridiculous' 
  • MP for Calais today rubbished the Home Secretary's latest £54million payment to France as pointless 
  • Ex-Chief Immigration Officer urged that military should be brought in to manage crisis in the Channel 

By Jack Wright and David Wilcock, Whitehall Correspondent and Rory Tingle Home Affairs Correspondent and William Cole For Mailonline and Mario Ledwith for the Daily Mail

Published: 08:36, 21 July 2021 | Updated: 15:39, 21 July 2021

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9809365/Calais-MP-says-Pritis-54m-new-deal-Channel-migrants-wont-work.html

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1 hour ago, Weedo said:

Good you openly don't want to condemn rapists, murderers, thieves and liars

The fact you need to circle back to this just shows me you're either being disingenuous or have a low IQ.. or both.

 

1 hour ago, Weedo said:

who are a big reason for people's anger and justification of negative emotions towards white man.

 

if you really had a clue you'd realise this recent animosity has been deliberately socially engineered .....

 

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How the media shifted the blame from the Bankers to White People after Occupy Wall Street. 

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1 hour ago, Weedo said:

No need to address causes of effects?

 

 

Again, I did, human nature technological development.. White man has given enough back... when are the Turks going to pay reparations to the Greeks or Armenians? Or Western Civilisation as a whole for the destruction of our antiquities that Constantinople was built on?.. can we ask the Umayyads/Muslims to pay reparations for the destruction of the Visigothic Kingdom and after 700 years of blood spilt getting it back reparations for that - Al-Andalus didn't suffice.... Maybe Spain and Portugal should hit up the Gulf Kingdoms since they're loaded and the Iberian countries are pretty much bankrupt -  ....see, this never ends...  and you'll find, if you did a little digging, ex-Colonial countries have paid "reparations" and formally apologised and given land back many many many times... and it's almost always never reaches the average Joe of the tribe... that's not MY fault.. and again, this is not the thread to brow beat the White man, hence why your not going to find it here....

 

And you know why White man isn't crying over the Romans or the above? Because we don't play the victim card, we take our lot in life, (and for a vast number of European peoples that's sweet fanny adams) and we make the most of it...just as the South Koreans have done after the brutal occupation and crimes committed by the Japanese before 1945.

 

FYI.. The US has given the Native Peoples BILLIONS of $ over the years and millions of hectares of land back and they make a huge amount from the Casinos...but guess where it goes.... to the Tribal Elites 

 

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58 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Mate, I have loved ones to worry about, I don't want a knock on the door for thought crimes on the internet. I don't have the same right to free speech as other groups. There is only so much I will say on a forum like this about certain historical events.

OK fair enough. Good luck to your loved ones. I feel you aren't a hater or racist. That's the vibe i get. But in general I feel that this forum has a bit of a white supremacist feel to it. A lot of the new wave of pagan viking-wannabe people who lack a divine religious identity, so they put all their passion into some racial characteristics, while thinking that polytheism is part of this physical identity and heritage. Know what I mean? 

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If you read this thread, it is clear that subversive people are clearly trying to paint everything as racism. Does that simply look like an agenda to get white people to condemn their ancestors actions, or an agenda from people that want our blood?

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13 minutes ago, Weedo said:

A lot of the new wave of pagan viking-wannabe people who lack a divine religious identity, so they put all their passion into some racial characteristics, while thinking that polytheism is part of this physical identity and heritage. Know what I mean? 

 

You can't expect other people to share your beliefs though, just as I can't expect people to share mine. I'm not Pagan, but Vikings and Pagans were still part of my heritage, and they still had foreign religion imposed on them.

 

Telling Europeans that they can't take an interest in their heritage is uprooting them, is it not? I don't want you to be deracinated or uprooted, and I think it 's also a healthy thing if Africans take an interest in their heritage.

 

Why is it shocking on a forum based in Europe, that probably has many Europeans, to have have content about European heritage?

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48 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

I don't think you are getting the full picture there

 

Lets take muslims for example. Much of what has been termed 'extremist islam' has in fact been controlled by satanics (sabbateans/donmeh) and most muslims are NOT responsible for that.

Conspiracy in the Middle East Revealed: The Donmeh, the Wahhabi and Zionism’s Sephardic Jewry

The Dönmeh: The Middle East’s Most Whispered Secret (Part I)

Wayne MADSEN
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There is a historical “eight hundred pound gorilla” lurking in the background of almost every serious military and diplomatic incident involving Israel, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Greece, Armenia, the Kurds, the Assyrians, and some other players in the Middle East and southeastern Europe. It is a factor that is generally only whispered about at diplomatic receptions, news conferences, and think tank sessions due to the explosiveness and controversial nature of the subject. And it is the secretiveness attached to the subject that has been the reason for so much misunderstanding about the current breakdown in relations between Israel and Turkey, a growing warming of relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia, and increasing enmity between Saudi Arabia and Iran…

Although known to historians and religious experts, the centuries-old political and economic influence of a group known in Turkish as the “Dönmeh” is only beginning to cross the lips of Turks, Arabs, and Israelis who have been reluctant to discuss the presence in Turkey and elsewhere of a sect of Turks descended from a group of Sephardic Jews who were expelled from Spain during the Spanish Inquisition in the 16th and 17th centuries. These Jewish refugees from Spain were welcomed to settle in the Ottoman Empire and over the years they converted to a mystical sect of Islam that eventually mixed Jewish Kabbala and Islamic Sufi semi-mystical beliefs into a sect that eventually championed secularism in post-Ottoman Turkey. It is interesting that “Dönmeh” not only refers to the Jewish “untrustworthy converts” to Islam in Turkey but it is also a derogatory Turkish word for a transvestite, or someone who is claiming to be someone they are not.

The Donmeh sect of Judaism was founded in the 17th century by Rabbi Sabbatai Zevi, a Kabbalist who believed he was the Messiah but was forced to convert to Islam by Sultan Mehmet IV, the Ottoman ruler. Many of the rabbi’s followers, known as Sabbateans, but also “crypto-Jews,” publicly proclaimed their Islamic faith but secretly practiced their hybrid form of Judaism, which was unrecognized by mainstream Jewish rabbinical authorities. Because it was against their beliefs to marry outside their sect, the Dönmeh created a rather secretive sub-societal clan.

The Dönmeh rise to power in Turkey

Many Dönmeh, along with traditional Jews, became powerful political and business leaders in Salonica. It was this core group of Dönmeh, which organized the secret Young Turks, also known as the Committee of Union and Progress, the secularists who deposed Ottoman Sultan Abdulhamid II in the 1908 revolution, proclaimed the post-Ottoman Republic of Turkey after World War I, and who instituted a campaign that stripped Turkey of much of its Islamic identity after the fall of the Ottomans. Abdulhamid II was vilified by the Young Turks as a tyrant, but his only real crime appears to have been to refuse to meet Zionist leader Theodore Herzl during a visit to Constantinople in 1901 and reject Zionist and Dönmeh offers of money in return for the Zionists to be granted control of Jerusalem.

Like other leaders who have crossed the Zionists, Sultan Adulhamid II appears to have sealed his fate with the Dönmeh with this statement to his Ottoman court: “Advise Dr. Herzl not to take any further steps in his project. I cannot give away even a handful of the soil of this land for it is not my own, it belongs to the entire Islamic nation. The Islamic nation fought jihad for the sake of this land and had watered it with their blood. The Jews may keep their money and millions. If the Islamic Khalifate state is one day destroyed then they will be able to take Palestine without a price! But while I am alive, I would rather push a sword into my body than see the land of Palestine cut and given away from the Islamic state.” After his ouster by Ataturk’s Young Turk Dönmeh in 1908, Abdulhamid II was jailed in the Donmeh citadel of Salonica. He died in Constantinople in 1918, three years after Ibn Saud agreed to a Jewish homeland in Palestine and one year after Lord Balfour deeded Palestine away to the Zionists in his letter to Baron Rothschild.

One of the Young Turk leaders in Salonica was Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the Republic of Turkey. When Greece achieved sovereignty over Salonica in 1913, many Dönmeh, unsuccessful at being re-classified Jewish, moved to Constantinople, later re-named Istanbul. Others moved to Izmir, Bursa, and Ataturk’s newly-proclaimed capital and future seat of Ergenekon power, Ankara.

Some texts suggest that the Dönmeh numbered no more than 150,000 and were mainly found in the army, government, and business. However, other experts suggest that the Dönmeh may have represented 1.5 million Turks and were even more powerful than believed by many and extended to every facet of Turkish life. One influential Donmeh, Tevfik Rustu Arak, was a close friend and adviser to Ataturk and served as Turkey’s Foreign Minister from 1925 to 1938.

Ataturk, who was reportedly himself a Dönmeh, ordered that Turks abandon their own Muslim-Arabic names. The name of the first Christian emperor of Rome, Constantine, was erased from the largest Turkish city, Constantinople. The city became Istanbul, after the Ataturk government in 1923 objected to the traditional name. There have been many questions about Ataturk’s own name, since “Mustapha Kemal Ataturk” was a pseudonym. Some historians have suggested that Ataturk adopted his name because he was a descendant of none other than Rabbi Zevi, the self-proclaimed Messiah of the Dönmeh! Ataturk also abolished Turkey’s use of the Arabic script and forced the country to adopt the western alphabet.

Modern Turkey: a secret Zionist state controlled by the Dönmeh

Ataturk’s suspected strong Jewish roots, information about which was suppressed for decades by a Turkish government that forbade anything critical of the founder of modern Turkey, began bubbling to the surface, first, mostly outside of Turkey and in publications written by Jewish authors. The 1973 book, The Secret Jews, by Rabbi Joachim Prinz, maintains that Ataturk and his finance minister, Djavid Bey, were both committed Dönmeh and that they were in good company because “too many of the Young Turks in the newly formed revolutionary Cabinet prayed to Allah, but had their real prophet [Sabbatai Zevi, the Messiah of Smyrna].” In The Forward of January 28, 1994, Hillel Halkin wrote in The New York Sun that Ataturk recited the Jewish Shema Yisrael (“Hear O Israel”), saying that it was “my prayer too.” The information is recounted from an autobiography by journalist Itamar Ben-Avi, who claims Ataturk, then a young Turkish army captain, revealed he was Jewish in a Jerusalem hotel bar one rainy night during the winter of 1911. In addition, Ataturk attended the Semsi Effendi grade school in Salonica, run by a Dönmeh named Simon Zevi. Halkin wrote in the New York Sun article about an email he received from a Turkish colleague: “I now know – know (and I haven’t a shred of doubt) – that Ataturk’s father’s family was indeed of Jewish stock.”

It was Ataturk’s and the Young Turks’ support for Zionism, the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, after World War I and during Nazi rule in Europe that endeared Turkey to Israel and vice versa. An article in The Forward of May 8, 2007, revealed that Dönmeh dominated Turkish leadership “from the president down, as well as key diplomats . . . and a great part of Turkey’s military, cultural, academic, economic, and professional elites” kept Turkey out of a World War II alliance with Germany, and deprived Hitler of a Turkish route to the Baku oilfields.” In his book, The Donme: Jewish Converts, Muslim Revolutionaries and Secular Turks, Professor Marc David Baer wrote that many advanced to exalted positions in the Sufi religious orders.

Israel has always been reluctant to describe the Turkish massacre of the Armenians by the Turks in 1915 as “genocide.” It has always been believed that the reason for Israel’s reticence was not to upset Israel’s close military and diplomatic ties with Turkey. However, more evidence is being uncovered that the Armenian genocide was largely the work of the Dönmeh leadership of the Young Turks. Historians like Ahmed Refik, who served as an intelligence officer in the Ottoman army, averred that it was the aim of the Young Turks to destroy the Armenians, who were mostly Christian. The Young Turks, under Ataturk’s direction, also expelled Greek Christians from Turkish cities and attempted to commit a smaller-scale genocide of the Assyrians, who were also mainly Christian.

One Young Turk from Salonica, Mehmet Talat, was the official who carried out the genocide of the Armenians and Assyrians. A Venezuelan mercenary who served in the Ottoman army, Rafael de Nogales Mendez, noted in his annals of the Armenian genocide that Talat was known as the “renegade Hebrew of Salonica.” Talat was assassinated in Germany in 1921 by an Armenian whose entire family was lost in the genocide ordered by the “renegade Hebrew.” It is believed by some historians of the Armenian genocide that the Armenians, known as good businessmen, were targeted by the business-savvy Dönmeh because they were considered to be commercial competitors.

It is not, therefore, the desire to protect the Israeli-Turkish alliance that has caused Israel to eschew any interest in pursuing the reasons behind the Armenian genocide, but Israel’s and the Dönmeh’s knowledge that it was the Dönmeh leadership of the Young Turks that not only murdered hundreds of thousands of Armenians and Assyrians but who also stamped out Turkey’s traditional Muslim customs and ways. Knowledge that it was Dönmeh, in a natural alliance with the Zionists of Europe, who were responsible for the deaths of Armenian and Assyrian Christians, expulsion from Turkey of Greek Orthodox Christians, and the cultural and religious eradication of Turkish Islamic traditions, would issue forth in the region a new reality. Rather than Greek and Turkish Cypriots living on a divided island, Armenians holding a vendetta against the Turks, and Greeks and Turks feuding over territory, all the peoples attacked by the Dönmeh would realize that they had a common foe that was their actual persecutor.

Challenging Dönmeh rule: Turkey’s battle against the Ergenekon

It is the purging of the Kemalist adherents of Ataturk and his secular Dönmeh regime that is behind the investigation of the Ergenekon conspiracy in Turkey. Ergenekon’s description matches up completely with the Dönmeh presence in Turkey’s diplomatic, military, judicial, religious, political, academic, business, and journalist hierarchy. Ergenekon attempted to stop the reforms instituted by successive non-Dönmeh Turkish leaders, including the re-introduction of traditional Turkish Islamic customs and rituals, by planning a series of coups, some successful like that which deposed Prime Minister Necmettin Erbakan’s Refah (Welfare) Islamist government in 1996 and some unsuccessful, like OPERATION SLEDGEHEMMER, which was aimed at deposing Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in 2003. Some Islamist-leaning reformists, including Turkish President Turgut Ozal and Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit, died under suspicious circumstances. Deposed democratically-elected Prime Minister Adnan Menderes was hanged in 1961, following a military coup.

American politicians and journalists, whose knowledge of the history of countries like Turkey and the preceding Ottoman Empire, is often severely lacking, have painted the friction between Israel’s government and the Turkish government of Prime Minister Erdogan as based on Turkey’s drift to Islamism and the Arab world. Far from it, Erdogan and his Justice and Development Party (AKP) seem to have finally seen a way to break free from the domination and cruelty of the Dönmeh, whether in the form of Kemalist followers of Ataturk or nationalist schemers and plotters in Ergenekon. But with Turkey’s “Independence Day” has come vitriol from the Dönmeh and their natural allies in Israel and the Israel Lobby in the United States and Europe. Turkey as a member of the European Union was fine for Europe as long as the Dönmeh remained in charge and permitted Turkey’s wealth to be looted by central bankers like has occurred in Greece.

When Israel launched its bloody attack on the Turkish Gaza aid vessel, the Mavi Marmara, on May 31, 2010, the reason was not so much the ship’s running of the Israeli blockade of Gaza. The brutality of the Israelis in shooting unarmed Turks and one Turkish-American, some at point blank range, according to a UN report, indicated that Israel was motivated by something else: vengeance and retaliation for the Turkish government’s crackdown on Ergenekon, the purging of the Turkish military and intelligence senior ranks of Dönmeh, and reversing the anti-Muslim religious and cultural policies set down by the Dönmeh’s favorite son, Ataturk, some ninety years before. In effect, the Israeli attack on the Mavi Marmara was in retaliation for Turkey’s jailing of several top Turkish military officers, journalists, and academics, all accused of being part of the Ergenekon plot to overthrow the AKP government in 2003. Hidden in the Ergenekon coup plot is that the Dönmeh and Ergenekon are connected through their history of being Kemalists, ardent secularists, pro-Israeli, and pro-Zionist.

With tempers now flaring between Iran on one side and Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the United States on the other, as the result of a dubious claim by U.S. law enforcement that Iran was planning to carry out the assassination of the Saudi ambassador to the United States on American soil, the long-standing close, but secretive relationship between Israel and Saudi Arabia is coming to the forefront. The Israeli-Saudi connection had flourished during OPERATION DESERT STORM, when both countries were on the receiving end of Saddam Hussein’s Scud missiles.

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The Dönmeh: The Middle East’s Most Whispered Secret (Part II)

Wayne MADSEN
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What will surprise those who may already be surprised about the Dönmeh connection to Turkey, is the Dönmeh connection to the House of Saud in Saudi Arabia.
An Iraqi Mukhabarat (General Military Intelligence Directorate) Top Secret report, “The Emergence of Wahhabism and its Historical Roots,” dated September 2002 and released on March 13, 2008, by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency in translated English form, points to the Dönmeh roots of the founder of the Saudi Wahhabi sect of Islam, Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab. Much of the information is gleaned from the memoirs of a “Mr. Humfer,” (as spelled in the DIA report, “Mr. Hempher” as spelled the historical record) a British spy who used the name “Mohammad,” claimed to be an Azeri who spoke Turkish, Persian, and Arabic and who made contact with Wahhab in the mid-18th century with a view of creating a sect of Islam that would eventually bring about an Arab revolt against the Ottomans and pave the way for the introduction of a Jewish state in Palestine. Humfer’s memoirs are recounted by the Ottoman writer and admiral Ayyub Sabri Pasha in his 1888 work, “The Beginning and Spreading of Wahhabism.”

In his book, The Dönmeh Jews, D. Mustafa Turan writes that Wahhab’s grandfather, Tjen Sulayman, was actually Tjen Shulman, a member of the Jewish community of Basra, Iraq. The Iraqi intelligence report also states that in his book, The Dönmeh Jews and the Origin of the Saudi Wahhabis, Rifat Salim Kabar reveals that Shulman eventually settled in the Hejaz, in the village of al-Ayniyah what is now Saudi Arabia, where his grandson founded the Wahhabi sect of Islam. The Iraqi intelligence report states that Shulman had been banished from Damascus, Cairo, and Mecca for his “quackery.” In the village, Shulman sired Abdul Wahhab. Abdel Wahhab’s son, Muhammad, founded modern Wahhabism.

The Iraqi report also makes some astounding claims about the Saud family. It cites Abdul Wahhab Ibrahim al-Shammari’s book, The Wahhabi Movement: The Truth and Roots, which states that King Abdul Aziz Ibn Saud, the first Kingdom of Saudi Arabia monarch, was descended from Mordechai bin Ibrahim bin Moishe, a Jewish merchant also from Basra. In Nejd, Moishe joined the Aniza tribe and changed his name to Markhan bin Ibrahim bin Musa. Eventually, Mordechai married off his son, Jack Dan, who became Al-Qarn, to a woman from the Anzah tribe of the Nejd. From this union, the future Saud family was born.

The Iraqi intelligence document reveals that the researcher Mohammad Sakher was the subject of a Saudi contract murder hit for his examination into the Sauds’ Jewish roots. In Said Nasir’s book, The History of the Saud Family, it is maintained that in 1943, the Saudi ambassador to Egypt, Abdullah bin Ibrahim al Muffadal, paid Muhammad al Tamami to forge a family tree showing that the Sauds and Wahhabs were one family that descended directly from the Prophet Mohammed.

At the outset of World War I, a Jewish British officer from India, David Shakespeare, met with Ibn Saud in Riyadh and later led a Saudi army that defeated a tribe opposed to Ibn Saud. In 1915, Ibn Saud met with the British envoy to the Gulf region, Bracey Cocas. Cocas made the following offer to Ibn Saud: “I think this is a guarantee for your endurance as it is in the interest of Britain that the Jews have a homeland and existence, and Britain’s interests are, by all means, in your interest.” Ibn Saud, the descendant of Dönmeh from Basra, responded: “Yes, if my acknowledgement means so much to you, I acknowledge thousand times granting a homeland to the Jews in Palestine or other than Palestine.” Two years later, British Foreign Secretary Lord Balfour, in a letter to Baron Walter Rothschild, a leader of the British Zionists, stated: “His Majesty’s government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people . . .” The deal had the tacit backing of two of the major players in the region, both descendant from Dönmeh Jews who supported the Zionist cause, Kemal Ataturk and Ibn Saud. The present situation in the Middle East should be seen in this light but the history of the region has been purged by certain religious and political interests for obvious reasons.

After World War I, the British facilitated the coming to power of the Saud regime in the former Hejaz and Nejd provinces of the Ottoman Empire. The Sauds established Wahhabism as the state religion of the new Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and, like the Kemalist Dönmeh in Turkey, began to move against other Islamic beliefs and sects, including the Sunnis and Shi’as. The Wahhabi Sauds accomplished what the Kemalist Dönmeh were able to achieve in Turkey: a fractured Middle East that was ripe for Western imperialistic designs and laid the groundwork for the creation of the Zionist state of Israel.

Deep states and Dönmeh

During two visits to Turkey in 2010, I had the opportunity of discussing the Ergenekon “deep state” with leading Turkish officials. It was more than evident that discussions about the Ergenekon network and its “foreign” connections are a highly-sensitive subject. However, it was also whispered by one high-ranking Turkish foreign policy official that there were other “deep states” in surrounding nations and Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Syria were mentioned by name. Considering the links between Ergenekon and the Dönmeh in Turkey and the close intelligence and military links between the Dönmeh-descendent Sauds and Wahhabis in Arabia, the reports of close links between ousted Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and his intelligence chief Omar Suleiman and the Binyamin Netanyahu government in Israel may be seen in an entirely new light… And it would explain Erdogan’s support for Egypt’s revolution: in Turkey, it was a democratic revolution that curbed the influence of the Dönmeh. The influence of Wahhabi Salafists in Libya’s new government also explains why Erdogan was keen on establishing relations with the Benghazi-based rebels to help supplant the influence of the Wahhabis, the natural allies of his enemies, the Dönmeh (Ergenekon) of Turkey.

Erdogan’s desire to set the historical record straight by restoring history purged by the Kemalists and Dönmeh has earned him vitriolic statements from Israel’s government that he is a neo-Ottomanist who is intent on forming an alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood in the Arab countries. Clearly, the Dönmeh and their Zionist brethren in Israel and elsewhere are worried about Dönmeh and Zionist historical revisionism, including their role in the Armenian and Assyrian genocide, and their genocide denial being exposed.

In Egypt, which was once an Ottoman realm, it was a popular revolution that tossed out what may have amounted to the Dönmeh with regard to the Mubarak regime. The Egyptian “Arab Spring” also explains why the Israelis were quick to kill six Egyptian border police so soon after nine Turkish passengers were killed aboard the Mavi Marmara, some in execution style, by Israeli troops. Dönmeh doctrine is rife with references to the Old Testament Amalekites, a nomadic tribe ordered attacked by the Hebrews from Egypt by the Jewish God to make room for Moses’s followers in the southern region of Palestine. In the Book of Judges, God unsuccessfully commands Saul: “Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, and infant, ox, and sheep, camel and donkey.” The Dönmeh, whose doctrine is also present in Hasidic and other orthodox sects of Judaism, appear to have no problem substituting the Armenians, Assyrians, Turks, Kurds, Egyptians, Iraqis, Lebanese, Iranians, and Palestinians for the Amalekites in carrying out their military assaults and pogroms.

With reformist governments in Turkey and Egypt much more willing to look into the background of those who have split the Islamic world, Ataturk in Turkey and Mubarak in Egypt, the Sauds are likely very much aware that it is only a matter of time before their links, both modern and historical, to Israel will be fully exposed. It makes sense that the Sauds have been successful in engineering a dubious plot involving Iranian government agents trying to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to Washington in an unnamed Washington, DC restaurant. The Iraqi intelligence report could have been referring to the Zionists and Dönmeh when it stated, “it strives to . . . [the] killing of Muslims, destructing, and promoting the turmoil.” In fact, the Iraqi intelligence report was referring to the Wahhabis.

With new freedom in Turkey and Egypt to examine their pasts, there is more reason for Israel and its supporters, as well as the Sauds, to suppress the true histories of the Ottoman Empire, secular Turkey, the origins of Israel, and the House of Saud. With various players now angling for war with Iran, the true history of the Dönmeh and their influence on past and current events in the Middle East becomes more important.

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http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/10/26/the-doenmeh-the-middle-easts-most-whispered-secret-part-ii.html

http://themillenniumreport.com/2015/11/ultra-secret-conspiracy-in-the-middle-east-revealed-the-donmeh-the-wahhabi-and-zionisms-sephardic-jewry/

Thanks man, I haven't read the entire text yet, but I know about all kinds of hypocrites and crypto satanics. On a basic level, I personally believe that the masses are responsible for their rulers, so this world having the dominant reps of Islam being under cover satanics is the people's fault. I expect 99.9% of self proclaimed muslims to go to hell, but that's just me. I could be wrong. But I have prophetic narrations to back it up, where the prophet of Islam himself said (according to suni and Shia books), that the Muslim nation would be divided into 73 groups. And guess how many would go to hell out of them? 72! So I hold Muslims responsible for their silence and their actions, which all too often has been against their own religion. People here who are trying to project me as a Muslim supremacist are just projecting their own fantasies of what they think every Muslim represents. So for me as a Muslim, I openly condemn other Muslims who did tragic things in the name of Islam. The most tragic example of such is this.. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karbala

 

Just like the plight of the prophetic family, the biggest victims of isis, or other "terrorists", is usually other Muslims. So it's no surprise that the people behind such sects are non Muslim satanics, like the homosexual "Lawrence of Arabia", or the US government that empowered the taliban in Afghanistan by sending wahabis to spread this shit over there. 

 

The only whites I respect, as well as blacks, or pinks, or greens - are the ones who strongly and without hesitation condemn crimes of people, even if they are from their own group. Nothing wrong with opening a thread against anti white racism, but it won't get very far unless it equally condemns whites who are racist against others. I don't see this as off topic, when the main reason other races sometimes express anger at whites, is exactly because of historic epidemics of racism against all non whites. 

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2 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

Why is it shocking on a forum based in Europe, that probably has many Europeans, to have have content about European heritage?

and then come to a very specific subthread and start demanding European peoples bow down and felt guilt or "silence" means you accept rapists and murders "a criminal today in waiting".. because of course,  "white supremacy" then it's SHOCKING why some people (myself) gets a little feisty and tells him where to go.... oh yes... it's because I think white people are better and I should hate myself because Native Americans were killed... and now this whole forum has a neo-nazi vibe! the nerve of some people....un-fkn-believable

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46 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

Hey Weedo? Do u think  any criticism of the 'chosen ones' is bad?

Why not? Nobody critisizes them more than God in the Torah 

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18 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

If you read this thread, it is clear that subversive people are clearly trying to paint everything as racism. Does that simply look like an agenda to get white people to condemn their ancestors actions, or an agenda from people that want our blood?

Well i will tell you how I see it. I'm not a native American, I'm not an Australian aboriginal, I'm not an afro American. I see that those people have not gotten any form of revenge, nor compensation. They did not get their lands back. They didnt get any blood money. No eye for an eye. Not even an eye for a thousand eyes. Numbers do matter, and if you count how many people were killed by so-called white people, under the guidance of Satan and about 13 families in top, it is millions upon millions upon millions. So from my perspective, I see the only peaceful solution to the average non white youth, that white people acknowledge it, and push really hard to show to the world that they are not like the past people. But lets face it. In today's world people are likely MORE sick than the past. Or? 

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23 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

You can't expect other people to share your beliefs though, just as I can't expect people to share mine. I'm not Pagan, but Vikings and Pagans were still part of my heritage, and they still had foreign religion imposed on them.

 

Telling Europeans that they can't take an interest in their heritage is uprooting them, is it not? I don't want you to be deracinated or uprooted, and I think it 's also a healthy thing if Africans take an interest in their heritage.

 

Why is it shocking on a forum based in Europe, that probably has many Europeans, to have have content about European heritage?

No it's not shocking that Europeans talk about their historic heritage. It is shocking that I see people openly advocating apartheid racial legal double standards and racial segregation. At the same time I am shocked to see hesitation in condemnation of European onslaught on most of the world via a panicked colonial reality.

 

And I have a viking rooted grandmother too, doesn't mean I will start praying to Odin. My comment on new age vikingism is simply that white people who have been stripped off of their Christian heritage through systematic communist/socialist/illuminati campaigns, find themselves lost, and can't look beyond race for a sense of identity. This is my own anthropological analysis ofn Europe today. They are going back to pagan retarded roots for no other reason, other than their belief that their ancestors believed this. That's just the way I see it. And the end result is logically and naturally racism. If you identify your identity and worth and religion with a race, then that's all that will matter, and you will fight to accomplish higher ranks of self esteem than other races. 

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16 minutes ago, Weedo said:

Well i will tell you how I see it. I'm not a native American, I'm not an Australian aboriginal, I'm not an afro American. I see that those people have not gotten any form of revenge, nor compensation. They did not get their lands back. They didnt get any blood money. No eye for an eye. Not even an eye for a thousand eyes. Numbers do matter, and if you count how many people were killed by so-called white people, under the guidance of Satan and about 13 families in top, it is millions upon millions upon millions. So from my perspective, I see the only peaceful solution to the average non white youth, that white people acknowledge it, and push really hard to show to the world that they are not like the past people. But lets face it. In today's world people are likely MORE sick than the past. Or? 

 

Well then just say it's about revenge instead of saying it's only a matter of white people needing to condemn historical events.

 

If I had my way I would have all white people come back to their homeland anyway, but I'm in a minority there.

 

Also those groups you mentioned are not the ones that have the power of the press, so I'm not saying they're pushing the agenda with those kinds of articles for the most part. They're being used as pawns by people that think less of them than modern Europeans do. They're cutting their nose off to spite their face. Yes they might benefit in the short-term in the war on European culture, but they will be in the crosshairs once we're gone. You only have to look at how the media is now starting this bullshit against Eastern Asians, they'll probably get screwed after us.

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