Is there an agenda to reduce the White European population?

[skitzorat]

On 1/12/2022 at 10:43 PM, Macnamara said:

some people because of their own internally unacknowledged anti-white prejudice are unwilling to acknowledge any white suffering or any injustice suffered by white people and because they can't be honest about what is going on they fail to acknowledge that there is a REVOLUTION FROM ABOVE being pushed down onto society by the elites who own the mega-corporations:

 

''woke prescriptions from above:''

I thought of the perfect meme-diagram that explains this when I read this reply  a few weeks back but couldn't for the life of me find it at the time.

 

FOUND IT! lol

 

[Campion]

On 2/1/2022 at 6:33 AM, skitzorat said:

Hey mate...

I was being sarcastic/rhetorical lol

 

Ok sorry sometimes it's hard to tell with forum posts. 

 

On 2/1/2022 at 6:33 AM, skitzorat said:

Indeed, but this is the particular thread where we're exploring the conspiracy around White/European people, specifically.

 

Fair dos. I was thinking about this point yesterday, how some cultures respond to a declining birth rate by trying to support parents, make life easier for them, to actually encourage young people to have kids, or more kids. Including some religions do this. Not ours, the response is more likely to be increasing immigration. This fact alone looks like an agenda. 

 

On 2/1/2022 at 6:33 AM, skitzorat said:

The ones at "the top" very much do hate White people - I documented this in lengthy posts here

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/15419-is-there-an-agenda-to-reduce-the-white-european-population/page/71/

 

Many have argued, and it make sense, that the modern post-WW2 version of this hatred is a direct response to, and bulwark against, stopping the likes of another Hitler or German National Socialism from ever taking power again and dislodging "them" and their nefarious influence from western power structures; (education, media, govts)

 

Yeah, I read this entire thread through before starting to post here. (Also got delayed due to the Yahoo email issue but that's another story).  I'm trying to distinguish the motives of people who are purely out for power & wealth (the elite at the top) from others who are motivated by fear/hatred of something like fascism. Some anti-fascism is genuine but it's also used as a strawman against reasonable discussion of these issues. 

 

On 2/1/2022 at 6:33 AM, skitzorat said:

Individualism is one of the best parts of Western thought IMO- which, arguably, has made Western man unique throughout history. (ps to all the haters reading this who go into marxist kvetching of "whyt supremacists!!", notice I said "unique", not "best") 

 

The "weakened, divided, infertile" results seen today in Western nations I would argue is the result of subversive players chipping away at the ancient integrity of Western thought, not a natural result of it... if that makes sense....

 

Agreed, individualism is one of our great contributions to world history, although do you think it also makes us vulnerable to being chipped away at? "Whiteness" could be seen as a way of coming back together to withstand the subversion, but it opens the way for the strawman arguments I mentioned above.

 

On 2/1/2022 at 6:33 AM, skitzorat said:

- and as a disclaimer, I never imagined a few years ago I would think such things let alone say them. I've never had any beef with a sub-group of the worlds most victimised religio-ethnic group, so I never went into conspiratorially looking at this with an assumption - quite the opposite...but facts and evidence and words speak for themselves...

I'm new to making these inquiries but have been concerned about the direction of our civilisation for much longer. It's felt like I've been living in a huge social engineering project based on short term economic thinking (ie immigration for cheap labour). But the short term has been going on for so long now it's not washing any more. 

 

Another forum where I could discuss this would just throw spiral dynamics back at me and say how i'm stuck in stage blue and need to grow into orange or green. 

Edited February 3, 2022 by Campion

[Firebird]

People won't like me saying this but another part of the puzzle is the religion Christianity. It champions the ''downtrodden''. First it was just poor people, okay, which then became a tool for political revolution. And every decade there seems to be a new group, a new big group that needs to be ''saved'' and the ignorant masses are in need of ''conversion'' and are stimulated to ''confess'' their ''evil'' ways, then encouraged to spread the ''gospel''. Rinse and repeat. It's so similar to the religion.

 

 

Edited February 3, 2022 by Firebird

[jjjamson]

There is an agenda to reduce the human population, period. 

[Campion]

20 hours ago, Firebird said:

People won't like me saying this but another part of the puzzle is the religion Christianity. It champions the ''downtrodden''. First it was just poor people, okay, which then became a tool for political revolution. And every decade there seems to be a new group, a new big group that needs to be ''saved'' and the ignorant masses are in need of ''conversion'' and are stimulated to ''confess'' their ''evil'' ways, then encouraged to spread the ''gospel''. Rinse and repeat. It's so similar to the religion.

 

I came across a similar theme in Don Cupitt's writing, that people in Western Europe are leaving the church but the Christianity remains. The guilt complexes, the love thy neighbour, the inquisitions etc. Politics is the new religion, the state its church.  

[Firebird]

2 hours ago, Campion said:

 

I came across a similar theme in Don Cupitt's writing, that people in Western Europe are leaving the church but the Christianity remains. The guilt complexes, the love thy neighbour, the inquisitions etc. Politics is the new religion, the state its church.  

 

Exactly.

 

And hate speech is the new blasphemy.

[Seth]

If there is an agenda, it's pretty ineffective.

 

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

11 hours ago, Seth said:

If there is an agenda, it's pretty ineffective.

 

 

This graph is for the the entire planet and doesn't give figures for different races. 

Pointless post in this particular thread.. 

BC 

[Macnamara]

On 2/3/2022 at 10:02 PM, jjjamson said:

There is an agenda to reduce the human population, period. 

 

sure but traditionally it has been white males who champion individual liberty and that is a problem for the collectivists

[skitzorat]

On 2/5/2022 at 11:13 AM, Seth said:

 

 

On 2/4/2022 at 11:02 AM, jjjamson said:

There is an agenda to reduce the human population, period. 

 

 

ah another couple of newbies chiming in on the euro thread with the usual - but but "world population!!"  "the cabal is taking out the world population!"

*squawk*

We even have a snazzy graph.

 

How about this graph which is relevant to the conversation at hand.

 

Even this graph itself is misleading as it shows Europeans as a percentage of the world population at just under 15%, maybe 13% -  but that includes mestizos and other bi-racial people; US famously includes "Hispanics" as "whites" in their census which massive screws the data (outrageously when it comes to crime statistics especially)

 

The realty is Europeans or "white people" as a percentage of the global population is only about 8.5% with only about approx 4.25% (50/50) being females.

I can't be bothered doing the math, but take away the Europeans aged population %>60 baby-boomers etc, non-breeding mid ages 35-60, and children, albeit very few because whites haven't been breeding at replacement level for decades now and we're looking globally fvcked with maybe only about 1.5-2% (if that) being of breeding age (15-35)

 

Now add all the "liberal" white woman tranny-iszing their kids.

The pushing of mRNA jabs (the mRNA is being pushed a lot more in White countries, other countries India/China/Latin America are using other convid shots) it's a demographic catastrophe.

 

From the UK recently - I doubt very much it's the UKs Muslim or Asian population 

Half of women have not had children by 30th birthday for first time

Number of women who do not have a child when they turn 30 up 32 percentage points in 50 years

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-children-30-ons-uk-b2002290.html

 

Take this little graphic, extremely simplistic of course, but it's true that out of 100 people only 8 would be white.

 

On 2/5/2022 at 11:13 AM, Seth said:

If there is an agenda, it's pretty ineffective.

 

Since the 1960s, there has been a prolonged agenda (against whites) and its been extremely effective. 

Fixed that for you.

 

Edited February 6, 2022 by skitzorat

[skitzorat]

On 2/4/2022 at 10:20 AM, Firebird said:

People won't like me saying this but another part of the puzzle is the religion Christianity. It champions the ''downtrodden''. First it was just poor people, okay, which then became a tool for political revolution. And every decade there seems to be a new group, a new big group that needs to be ''saved'' and the ignorant masses are in need of ''conversion'' and are stimulated to ''confess'' their ''evil'' ways, then encouraged to spread the ''gospel''. Rinse and repeat. It's so similar to the religion.

 

 

I completely agree.

 

A lot of people wont like me saying this either, but it's been the biggest brainwashing sham of the millennia - giving power away, to concept of "sin", worshiping a jewish radical (Jesus) and the jewish tribal god Yahweh (only one of the many gods jews had had over the centuries)

 

Even so "Christianity" as a jewish sect was only one of hundreds of similar ones around at the time, Mithras for example which was popular with Roman soldiers and Sol Invictus (Unconquered son) which was also popularized by Roman emperors at the time.

It was pretty much by chance, supposedly a dream, that Emperor Constantine The Great became Christian and with his 313 AD Edict of Milan, paving the way for Theodosius I to make it the State religion in 380.

 

This belief system from some desert tribe was foreign to Europa at the time but it went on to smash our connection to our European nature gods. Today however the majority of Christians aren't even white.

 

In saying that, I will defend "Christianity" as a "thing" because whether I like it or not it is the last 2000 years of European history and civilizational advancement; art, architecture, philosophy (arguably original Christianity was massively built on Greek thought and despite common reference to Mary etc being "Middle Eastern" the ethnicity of many of the peoples of the Levant at the time were of European decent; Greek (Since Alexanders conquest 334BC, the  Seleucid Empire) and then Roman, - certainly not Arab as they didn't conquer the region until 634)

 

I see the outrageous attacks on Christianity and our churches throughout western countries as of itself an attack on "Europeans" and the "West" - so I personally feel defensive for it... something I would NEVER have said even 10 years ago lol - but do you know what I mean?

[Firebird]

Yes, it's about a foreign god and people. It's still bizarre to me how so many people don't question a religion where almost all people in it are just Middle Easterners and you have a god that favoured a group of people that call you 'gentiles'.

 

But I understand what you are saying. Christianity became part of our culture. In doing so I think we've lost a lot along the way, especially a connection with our land. Having said that I always say we should preserve our old churches and Christian art. There's a lot of beauty there.

 

 

Edited February 6, 2022 by Firebird

[Seth]

1 hour ago, skitzorat said:

ah another couple of newbies chiming in on the euro thread with the usual - but but "world population!!"

 

 

I'm seeing this a lot. Residents making new members feel as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit. Your post didn't need that line and my graph was already responded to by a moderator. I took the hint.

 

In charts: Europe’s demographic time-bomb  | Financial Times (ft.com)

 

There's a whole lot more to your claims than the observations you are making - though I take in your points. Anyway. I won't invade your space again. Apologies for making you post a response.

[Campion]

@skitzorat  I know what you mean, Christianity had its popularity in the early church as one among many religions. But it was Constantine who had a coup and used it to unify the cracks in the empire, creating a centralised power structure to control people and root out heretics. But over time, especially since the reformation, Protestant countries at least started to form their own local ethnic churches and it's that localism I admire (Merry England is my identity). But I'm in two minds about churches, their theology sometimes becomes too politicised. 

 

However, religion was one institution which helped people feel a belonging to the local shared community and culture. So the fact that only a minority of white Europeans are now active members of their local church, and replace it with non-ethnocentric institutions like mass social media and international politics, does make us become rootless and blown around by the manufactured celebrities and influencers out there. 
 

@Seth  I'm a new member too, and also got told off about bringing up non-whites into this thread  lol. But to be fair the defensiveness is based on genuine fears for the future of our culture so I'm willing to accept a bit of tetchiness. 

Edited February 6, 2022 by Campion

[Seth]

11 minutes ago, Campion said:

 I'm a new member too, and also got told off about bringing up non-whites into this thread  lol. But to be fair the defensiveness is based on genuine fears for the future of our culture so I'm willing to accept a bit of tetchiness.  

 

 

Okay, one more post: I don't have such fears as I am not in "our" culture. That is one major problem to me - the labelling of people as whites or blacks. Why do awakened people use such divisive stereotypes? The whitest man I ever saw was an albino, otherwise they're all pinky, beige and browner in summer. I've never seen a black man. The darkest man in the world is chocolate covered.

[Campion]

@Seth  I agree, and I suspect that these racial stereotypes, even the whole notion of race itself is part of the elite agenda (my very first post in the forum in p 103 of this thread addresses this). I stopped identifying as white when I put my hand on a piece of white paper and saw the difference, white & black could hardly be any more polarising could it? But to be honest I'm in process of looking for a new identity to replace it with which isn't easy in this post-modern climate. 

[skitzorat]

1 hour ago, Seth said:

 

I'm seeing this a lot. Residents making new members feel as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit. Your post didn't need that line and my graph was already responded to by a moderator. I took the hint.

 

In charts: Europe’s demographic time-bomb  | Financial Times (ft.com)

 

There's a whole lot more to your claims than the observations you are making - though I take in your points. Anyway. I won't invade your space again. Apologies for making you post a response.

Sincere apologies, dude

 

It's just that there have been a huge amount of "newbies"  that seem to come straight to this thread and start rattling off the same talking points "global population" or "cabal hates us all" -just as you and jjjamison did -  and then [the newbies] usually go on to completely dismiss the fears and tribulations Europeans are going through [and often be outright antagonistic towards other contributors].

 

I meant no offense, however, just contributing one unrelated graph with a a few words that you yourself could have debunked if you'd given this thread the slight peruse before 'throwing it out there' doesn't really make for the best introduction itself - to act *surprised* and/or *offended* and/or cry foul that I didn't shower you with praise and was slightly sarcastic in my reply (which wasn't directed personally at you, it was to two people) is pretty naff.

What kind of response to you expect?

You never replied to further the discuss the graph with basketcase - I'm not a mind reader.

 

Anyway.Welcome

 

 

 

PS,. No one wants anyone to 'go away' - but it's the internet and new person or not, if someone writes/posts something, it's fair game.

Edited February 6, 2022 by skitzorat

[jjjamson]

The European population is the largest it's ever been in world history. 

 

The depopulation agenda is afoot everywhere. The satanic pope is pushing birth control, feminism, and the trans agenda throughout central and south america as well as the west.

 

Traditional islamic families are being destroyed both in the west and in the middle east as western media undermines their belief systems and practices. 

 

African leaders who resist the fake covid agenda are being taken out. 

 

Bill Gates has openly stated his concerns about the growing sub saharan african population. His agenda in that region of the world is quite clear. 

 

East Asian birth rates are at record lows. 

 

The evidence clearly demonstrates that the depopulation agenda is afoot in every continent and nation. 

Edited February 6, 2022 by jjjamson

[skitzorat]

2 hours ago, Campion said:

@Seth  I agree, and I suspect that these racial stereotypes, even the whole notion of race itself is part of the elite agenda (my very first post in the forum in p 103 of this thread addresses this). I stopped identifying as white when I put my hand on a piece of white paper and saw the difference, white & black could hardly be any more polarising could it? But to be honest I'm in process of looking for a new identity to replace it with which isn't easy in this post-modern climate. 

Everyone else recognises their "tribe" /race and it, including its history and achievements etc, form part of their human identity.

Otherwise, as you said humans, are rootless.

Asians are very Asian-centric

Arabs are very arab-centric

Africans are very afro-centric.

Jews, especially, are very jew-centric.

 

Whilst its very "fluffy" and new-agey to see beyond physical - for most of my life I did - I believe it's this kind of detached collective belief that contributes to our extinction.

Whites have to get tribal or go the way of the dinosaur.

Pity in our traditionally European countries such things are not allowed, do you know of any European-specific Caucus/political party/activist group? No.

Quite the opposite, any semblance of a *gasp* "white group" is immediately labelled White Supremacists by the ADL and jewish media and of course "Nazi" - infact, I believe, the  demonization of Hitler's Germany and the atrocious lies over the past 70 years was done on purpose for that very reason. 

 

It's only recently that the anti-whitism has got extreme,  (making me pay attention to it,) now I'm aware of it I  see the subversives (in movies etc) in the past, but today it's full on and anyone who denies that (not speaking about you) needs to open their eyes or are being deliberately obtuse. Hell, try putting an innocuous "Its OK to be White" sign up - it makes the news are police reports are lodged.

Children are being openly taught to be anti-white - would you imagine that happening if a country was run by white supremacy and is full of white privilege

 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/UQ3yIZF374GK/

[jjjamson]

3 hours ago, Firebird said:

Yes, it's about a foreign god and people. It's still bizarre to me how so many people don't question a religion where almost all people in it are just Middle Easterners and you have a god that favoured a group of people that call you 'gentiles'.

 

But I understand what you are saying. Christianity became part of our culture. In doing so I think we've lost a lot along the way, especially a connection with our land. Having said that I always say we should preserve our old churches and Christian art. There's a lot of beauty there.

 

 

Jo Atwill addresses this issue squarely in Caesar's Messiah. It was released all the way book in 2012.

 

Christianity is an invention of the roman empire with narratives designed to subdue the defiant jewish popuation/s within the empire. While that effort clearly was not successful long term, the institution of the roman catholic church did serve as a power base for the original creators of the religion and eventually was coopted by now well known saboteurs operating through secret societies as an instrument of control globally. 

[jjjamson]

Another strikingly obvious piece of evidence that cannot be ignored is the fact that Israel is being used as a test site to push endless fake vaccinations.

 

If the alt-right narrative were correct that jews rule the world, then they would making every effort to protect their own population at the expense of all others.

 

In reality the situation is the exact opposite: jews are treated much more poorly and subject to far more oppression than just about anyone else in the world. 

 

This clearly leads to an alternative explanation: jews do not rule the world: however, many of the controllers pose as jews to shield themselves from criticism while they wage war against the entire human race, even those, and especially those, who actually do identify as jews. 

 

This is significant as the world jewish population is approximately 15 million, compared to well over a billion for the world european population. 

Edited February 6, 2022 by jjjamson

[skitzorat]

22 minutes ago, jjjamson said:

The depopulation agenda is afoot everywhere. The satanic pope is pushing birth control, feminism, and the trans agenda throughout central and south america as well as the west.

Yes, but see my first reply to you.

36 minutes ago, jjjamson said:

Traditional islamic families are being destroyed both in the west and in the middle east as western media undermines their belief systems and practices. 

 

Lies! In the West their "traditional" cousin-marriages, for example, are "protected" - even polygamy, hell, in Germany they throw ethnic Germans off the state housing list and fly in the "other wives" so they can all stay together then Mr 3 wives & 20 kids complains the state house hasnt enough bedrooms. lol

 

And "western" media is jewish media. Wakey wakey.

 

22 minutes ago, jjjamson said:

The European population is the largest it's ever been in world history. 

HAHAHAHAHAHA - I dont know why I bother, but - you know that in 1900 the entire worlds population would equal modern China? Of course its the largest it's been,

but I cant tell whether youre being deliberately obtuse for sh!ts'n'giggles or not understanding percentages (of global pop)

 

 

41 minutes ago, jjjamson said:

African leaders who resist the fake covid agenda are being taken out. 

Irrelevant to this thread. The cabal had their anti-white western leaders in place already

 

42 minutes ago, jjjamson said:

East Asian birth rates are at record lows. 

By comparison to a few decades ago, yes, but hardly a demographic catastrophe like Europeans.

 

23 minutes ago, jjjamson said:

The evidence clearly demonstrates that the depopulation agenda is afoot in every continent and nation. 

 

Yes, no one denies global depopulation via jab etc (although different kinds are being used outside the West) and see point 1 above - nevertheless - where's your evidence that clearly demonstrates this?

[jjjamson]

So, the alt-right/white nationalist narrative is valid up to a point but overly simplistic: they deliberately avoid any questions which could undermine their narrative in a heartbeat

 

-who controls the jewish "elite?"

 

-do the jewish elite actually identify as jews or is this yet another example of satanic inversion?

 

-if the elites are disproportionately jewish, why do they slaughter their own people with endless fake vaccines?

 

-why do the jews impose the same genocidal policies on their own people, and in far more intense fashion than anywhere else in the world?

 

-if muslims are being weaponized in the west, then why doesn't the alt right (or what remains of it) mention or address the fact that

 

--"jewish media" and "jewish controlled schools" are being weaponized against those same muslims once they arrive in the west?

 

--the same media and propaganda not to mention the junk food is also being pushed into the middle east to destroy those cultures as well?

 

There is very little evidence that world affairs are moving in the direction of jewish hegemony. There is overwhelming evidence that every aspect of humanity is being attacked in any and every way possible. 

 

As I have stated, too much of the alt right is fixated on the notion that christianity is actual historical narrative. 

 

Again, why would "white nationalists" or pro-european groups worship a jewish god?!?

 

That question aside, is it beneficial practically speaking for europeans to worship a god who promotes pacifism, turning the other cheek, not concerning oneself with worldly affairs when their true reward is in the afterlife?

 

Is it possible that white christian nationalists have been DELIBERATELY misled into believing the christ killer narrative as a diversion from the actual controllers of the world?

Just food for thought. 

Edited February 6, 2022 by jjjamson

[Shake]

What I don't get, which is pushed into so called schedule in schools... black history month.. mainly consists of the United States..fuck all to do with my grandma from Stornoway.

 

 

[Campion]

4 hours ago, skitzorat said:

Everyone else recognises their "tribe" /race and it, including its history and achievements etc, form part of their human identity.

Otherwise, as you said humans, are rootless.

Asians are very Asian-centric

Arabs are very arab-centric

Africans are very afro-centric.

Jews, especially, are very jew-centric.

 

Whilst its very "fluffy" and new-agey to see beyond physical - for most of my life I did - I believe it's this kind of detached collective belief that contributes to our extinction.

Whites have to get tribal or go the way of the dinosaur.

Pity in our traditionally European countries such things are not allowed, do you know of any European-specific Caucus/political party/activist group? No.

Quite the opposite, any semblance of a *gasp* "white group" is immediately labelled White Supremacists by the ADL and jewish media and of course "Nazi" - infact, I believe, the  demonization of Hitler's Germany and the atrocious lies over the past 70 years was done on purpose for that very reason. 

 

It's only recently that the anti-whitism has got extreme,  (making me pay attention to it,) now I'm aware of it I  see the subversives (in movies etc) in the past, but today it's full on and anyone who denies that (not speaking about you) needs to open their eyes or are being deliberately obtuse. Hell, try putting an innocuous "Its OK to be White" sign up - it makes the news are police reports are lodged.

Children are being openly taught to be anti-white - would you imagine that happening if a country was run by white supremacy and is full of white privilege. 

 

We do indeed have a deep psychological need for tribalism, and the thing is, tribal identity is multi-layered. So I do identify as a native European, but that's very very broad. I do have things in common with, say, Romanians and Poles but that's not enough to build my lifestyle on. So I need something more local, more English, more shire-ish, and more connected to my religion, that I actually live in and practice.

 

 But perhaps what you're getting as is that these local 'tribes' need connecting together with an umbrella term like white. Although I'd prefer different terms than white and black. Rather like the Celts were an umbrella group of many different local tribes with overarching connections. 
  
I think the same's true for 'black' people, Asians etc. Identifying as Asian for example may make sense for people who're part of a small diaspora in a foreign land, until more arrive, then they distinguish between say, Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis, Hindus, Muslims, whatever.  Asian becomes more of an umbrella term than a lived identity. 
 
The whole demonising whites agenda misses the mark, goes over my head and doesn't affect me personally. But I can see how it is trying to undermine whites' self-confidence. It is so full of holes and poorly conceived historically that it is more like trolling, a spoof of a philosophy, rather than anything serious. The trouble is, it gets traction because most young people get a very poor education in their own history, and world history, which should make the 'woke' agenda an obvious hoax.  

Edited February 6, 2022 by Campion