Guess what, there is now a tier system for "Sustainable Farming"

[Michael]

I had to actually laugh when ive seen this on the new Uk Column News Video

 

Its straight out of the Agenda 21 textbook and uses now a Tier list just as with these stupid Covid rules.

 

 

Reminder, what this actually means:

 

 

You cant make this stuff up. Its unreal how obvious it gets,......

Edited November 30, 2020 by Michael

[Steph]

I'm just waiting on the announcement that a new technique of growing artificial organs has been discovered by some great British doctor and that Britain will be an abundant source of artificially grown organs. I'm not sure whether they will announce this today or in thirty years time, but if someone doesn't throw a spanner in the works, alot of artificial people are going to die of artificial diseases and their artificial organs are going to fall into the hands of artificial corporations who will sell artificial organs in a scheme that will make money laundering look like petty crime. Google installs (what in every other case would be recognised as) malware and those who fail to recognise it expect us to trust our safety, security, our human rights and our organs into the hands of people who are best actually blind, or at worst, lying to us that they cant see what is bleeding obvious. Place burdens on those who don't seem to notice the bleeding obvious. We do not want those people getting anywhere near positions of responsibility. As for the ones already in places they should not be, may the angels pray that the devil gives them hell.

[Tom bombadil]

On 11/30/2020 at 7:51 PM, Michael said:

I had to actually laugh when ive seen this on the new Uk Column News Video

 

Its straight out of the Agenda 21 textbook and uses now a Tier list just as with these stupid Covid rules.

 

 

Reminder, what this actually means:

 

 

You cant make this stuff up. Its unreal how obvious it gets,......

 

 

Remember that the term or word 'sustainable' means to maintain!  To remain as it is.  That means no growth or permitted reduction.

[rooey]

the earth needs a return to sustainable farming practices and to restore natural/native landscapes. what's the alternative? 

[serpentine]

Britain is entering what could be a long down turn in output and farmers can't turn on a sixpence so no room for bureaufanaticism  and "5 year plans" precipititously  inflicted on them if you please unless you want smart cities full of starving people. Get these modern indoor farms up and running and sort out the practical side of those first.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfZjsGG6hiQ

[eddy64]

indoor growing requires a large amount of electricity which will probably be in short supply in the future the way things are going.

[serpentine]

4 hours ago, eddy64 said:

indoor growing requires a large amount of electricity which will probably be in short supply in the future the way things are going.

 

Very difficult to beat natural sunlight in outdoor crops for energy use.  indoor grow lights run by solar panels won't cut it!

 

But one of the first things to try would be night time growing cycles during off peak energy times.

[Tom bombadil]

20 hours ago, rooey said:

the earth needs a return to sustainable farming practices and to restore natural/native landscapes. what's the alternative? 

What is there that's not sustainable in how we farm at the moment?

 

I would like to see a change in how we farm but it's fine the way it is.  Supply meets demand.

 

As for a return to natural and native landscapes (presumably within farming) that's a terrible idea.  No roads to get around.  No fencing to hold stock.  No artificial lakes and woods to supply the farmers.

 

Nope.  Not a good idea even for my farming methods which are as old-worldy as can be within reason.

[Tom bombadil]

16 hours ago, serpentine said:

Britain is entering what could be a long down turn in output and farmers can't turn on a sixpence so no room for bureaufanaticism  and "5 year plans" precipititously  inflicted on them if you please unless you want smart cities full of starving people. Get these modern indoor farms up and running and sort out the practical side of those first.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfZjsGG6hiQ

 

Indoor farms have been looked upon by those in power for years as the way ahead.

 

Only an idiot would think that grow lights are a real substitute for Sun light.

[Tom bombadil]

7 hours ago, serpentine said:

 

Very difficult to beat natural sunlight in outdoor crops for energy use.  indoor grow lights run by solar panels won't cut it!

 

But one of the first things to try would be night time growing cycles during off peak energy times.

 

Why spend money on a building?

Why spend money on a power supply?

 

 

If I plant my crop on Monday and it takes 7 days to harvest (say for example) and I plant the same crop indoors on Monday, it still takes 7 days to harvest.  The augment that it will only take half as much time is moot if by Sunday I end up with double the harvest because all I need do is plant double the amount outside in the fields in the first place.  (If you see)

 

A field is bigger than a building ever could be.

 

Is it that people want 'clean' foods?  Well it will be sold to us like that. 

Hydroponics have an overhead that needs paying for.  As would lab meat.

 

I can produce veg with the same nutrition as lab veg for half the price.  So mine will alway be cheaper.  ALWAYS.

[rooey]

modern industrial farming is hopeless, destroys the land long term and doesnt regenerate soil or habitats, relying on cancerous chemicals to get a yield. Actually the question begs to be asked is there anything sustainable about mass modern farming? 



agree on the lights, anything grown under lights doesnt come close to the same thing grown under the sun 

[rooey]

"indoor grow lights run by solar panels" = extreme irony 

[Steph]

23 minutes ago, rooey said:

"indoor grow lights run by solar panels" = extreme irony 

If modern designers designed a toilet it would have batteries to run the flush you can only buy from China and it would only be in warranty when used with water that was shipped in from spain. Only government licensed engineers would be allowed to repair the toilet and you would be expected to send a piss sample data collection to google to assure your neighbours you were mentally well enough to not be harbouring disease.

[Tom bombadil]

18 hours ago, rooey said:

modern industrial farming is hopeless, destroys the land long term and doesnt regenerate soil or habitats, relying on cancerous chemicals to get a yield. Actually the question begs to be asked is there anything sustainable about mass modern farming? 



agree on the lights, anything grown under lights doesnt come close to the same thing grown under the sun 

 

Modern farming meets demand but as you alude 'to what end?'

 

Modern practices in the UK and Europe as a whole for a while now has been good at looking after its assets (soil and water etc) and is a long way from what we learned about with the US dust bowl of yesteryear.

 

A lot of what we hear today is by the same propagandists that want us to live 'sustainably' or else.  There is lots to be learnt by all when it comes to growing the soil as opposed to just feeding the plant but because farmers are dictated to by the big companies they HAVE to cut costs somehow.  Take away the big shops and you take away a BIG problem.

[serpentine]

Current thinking in the UK is based on the fairly benign nature of the climate. However a prolonged pattern change to erratic and fairly wet weather with associated cloud cover and possibly high winds and hailstones with a shorter growing season casts doubt on the productivity of the land in what might be a GSM similar to one experienced 400 years ago. A brick built steel reinforced structure with rain capture and hailstone protection built in with integrated filtration and recycling of water  with usuable dimensions of say 66 feet wide by 660 feet (old acre) but having multiple layers racked in a vertical system could be very productive.

 

 

Edited December 7, 2020 by serpentine

[zArk]

i think the whole design is to create the circumstance on paper, environmentally and economically, that farming cannot be maintained

then promote lab grown food

outlaw natural grown food

 

sustainability is a framework , defined and designed by someone somewhere. definitions and design dictate the outcome

 

[Tom bombadil]

On 12/7/2020 at 5:36 AM, serpentine said:

Current thinking in the UK is based on the fairly benign nature of the climate. However a prolonged pattern change to erratic and fairly wet weather with associated cloud cover and possibly high winds and hailstones with a shorter growing season casts doubt on the productivity of the land in what might be a GSM similar to one experienced 400 years ago. A brick built steel reinforced structure with rain capture and hailstone protection built in with integrated filtration and recycling of water  with usuable dimensions of say 66 feet wide by 660 feet (old acre) but having multiple layers racked in a vertical system could be very productive.

 

 

 

All that IS true.  However in simple terms, "when in Rome we do as the Romans do" is the expression, so for me I fight fire with fire and by that here I am saying also that if we are heading for a solar minimum, and it looks like we ARE, then all we have to do is forgo the stuff we might normally grow and grow something else.  There are plenty of ways to eat, or fill your plate, by growing what is viable.  One does not need to build at that point just yet.  Prices WILL INCREASE if we try and continue to eat what we knew.  But this still doesn't mean that we need eat lab grown meat or hydrophobicly produced veg.

[serpentine]

On 12/9/2020 at 2:01 AM, Tom bombadil said:

 

All that IS true.  However in simple terms, "when in Rome we do as the Romans do" is the expression, so for me I fight fire with fire and by that here I am saying also that if we are heading for a solar minimum, and it looks like we ARE, then all we have to do is forgo the stuff we might normally grow and grow something else.  There are plenty of ways to eat, or fill your plate, by growing what is viable.  One does not need to build at that point just yet.  Prices WILL INCREASE if we try and continue to eat what we knew.  But this still doesn't mean that we need eat lab grown meat or hydrophobicly produced veg.

 

 

Unfortunately whatever crops are grown in the fields reliance on them will lead to starvation as a GSM is not a simple thing about reduced light and heat reaching the crops  but reduced growing seasons and weather patterns damaging to the point such that staples like wheat cannot be grown at all above certain latitudes. In the northern hemisphere this will affect North America and China most with evidence that these conditions have been  ramping up in the last three years and lost crops are going from possibly once a decade to 3 times in 5 years in some areas making farming unprofitable for private businesses.

Edited December 19, 2020 by serpentine

[Firebird]

Just because it's part of the sustainable development goals does not make it evil or sinister, for goodness sake. Why is modern farming destructive? Well obviously we spray our crops with pesticides and herbicides and we produce maximum yield for lowest price which brings us to large scale farming where only one plant is allowed to grow at the cost of many other living beings.

 

But maybe it is all very evil, to care for our environment. An evil and deeply sinister agenda indeed.....

 

I would say a tier system would help give farmers a chance to practice more sustainable farming, much easier so than when it's all or nothing with organic versus conventional. But again, maybe that is pure evil and we should instead treat all animals as pests and all wild plants as weeds. Just destroy it all and only have cities and mono crop fields, then we will have a paradise on earth, really!!

Edited December 19, 2020 by Firebird

[Tom bombadil]

On 12/19/2020 at 4:32 PM, serpentine said:

 

 

Unfortunately whatever crops are grown in the fields reliance on them will lead to starvation as a GSM is not a simple thing about reduced light and heat reaching the crops  but reduced growing seasons and weather patterns damaging to the point such that staples like wheat cannot be grown at all above certain latitudes. In the northern hemisphere this will affect North America and China most with evidence that these conditions have been  ramping up in the last three years and lost crops are going from possibly once a decade to 3 times in 5 years in some areas making farming unprofitable for private businesses.

Which is why its good to change to crops that can be grown wherever one might be.

 

Wheat is not essential to me as I am not a ruminid! 

 

So many problems with wheat that I dont want to talk about it.  But grass for me is a no no!

[Tom bombadil]

On 12/19/2020 at 9:29 PM, Firebird said:

Just because it's part of the sustainable development goals does not make it evil or sinister, for goodness sake. Why is modern farming destructive? Well obviously we spray our crops with pesticides and herbicides and we produce maximum yield for lowest price which brings us to large scale farming where only one plant is allowed to grow at the cost of many other living beings.

 

But maybe it is all very evil, to care for our environment. An evil and deeply sinister agenda indeed.....

 

I would say a tier system would help give farmers a chance to practice more sustainable farming, much easier so than when it's all or nothing with organic versus conventional. But again, maybe that is pure evil and we should instead treat all animals as pests and all wild plants as weeds. Just destroy it all and only have cities and mono crop fields, then we will have a paradise on earth, really!!

 

No!  Think about it.  Sustainable Developement is an oxymoron!  One can NOT sustain AND devlope at the same time so as a phrase that might be used, its shit!  To have some lefty twat sit in his chair after years in uni and be given a job by a conglomorate come up with a 'catch phrase' to take this or that stage to the next level AND to have the general public fall for it is to large a pill to swallow.

 

TO CONFUSE THE MIND IS EVIL!  iTS WHAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR GENERATIONS...ranting over

 

Modern farming is not as destructive as its been made out to be.  I am not on its side but credit where its due.  Food on the table IF you want it!  No one forces you/us to buy.  If one wants food grown in a way that pleases us then buy that!!  Organic farming uses the same type or worse of ...acides as the 'normal farmer!  Formulated differently but doing the same thing.  MY food is grown with no ...acides!  But I have cats for rodents, and other insects for other insects.  I plant in good soil and grow when bugs are few.  its a craft!  I've seen organic farms and I'm ashamed to say that I once wished to aspire to BE one.  Nope...they are SHIT!

 

Buy if you want shit or buy if you want better.  Customer beware.

 

The ideas behind this Sustainable Development is to KEEP the weeds and regreow thwe fields to wild again!  WTF  AND to have wild animals repopulate those areas.

 

Dont let me think that I am taking it out on you as I DOO think things could go for the better in normal farming, but its not as bad as folk think.  I wont have an 'Industrey' tell me what to do becoause THEY think it will help.

Edited December 20, 2020 by Tom bombadil
Im a twat?

[Firebird]

I have different views than you. Modern farming and development comes from a Yahwist ''dominion over the world'' mindset. A thirst for endless progress, which is what the urban elites want. You say it feeds the world, well at the same time it has also increased world population so what does it solve when it increases demand? I'm not against wild animals. Maybe you do because of your occupation. But I want a world of variety, being able to go to a forest that isn't merely a managed parkland with only deer and mice. Forcing farmers to squeeze their land, maximize yield, 'then have customers pay little for it, isn't sustainable.

 

I don't care if some global organization talks about sustainability. I can use the word myself. Maybe Gates will talk about peace tomorrow. I guess the word peace will then become a dirty word.

 

 

[eddy64]

if farmers move away from modern farming methods then most of the worlds population will starve to death.

[Firebird]

15 minutes ago, eddy64 said:

if farmers move away from modern farming methods then most of the worlds population will starve to death.

 

The size of the world population is created by modern farming. Without the 70s revolution things would have been very different.

 

Not like human ingenuity or self sufficiency doesn't exist, or does it? Nah, just dumb people sitting on a chair that tell the God-fearing farmers what to do! (I mean seriously...). Anyway, just bulldoze nature and do what Yahweh commands us to do.

 

 

Edited December 21, 2020 by Firebird

[Tom bombadil]

On 12/20/2020 at 11:35 PM, Firebird said:

I have different views than you. Modern farming and development comes from a Yahwist ''dominion over the world'' mindset. A thirst for endless progress, which is what the urban elites want. You say it feeds the world, well at the same time it has also increased world population so what does it solve when it increases demand? I'm not against wild animals. Maybe you do because of your occupation. But I want a world of variety, being able to go to a forest that isn't merely a managed parkland with only deer and mice. Forcing farmers to squeeze their land, maximize yield, 'then have customers pay little for it, isn't sustainable.

 

I don't care if some global organization talks about sustainability. I can use the word myself. Maybe Gates will talk about peace tomorrow. I guess the word peace will then become a dirty word.

 

 

 

Hullo!  I think you misjudged me or i didn't pass on my intentions in my text.

 

What's below might address where I'm coming from.

 

I  am here to let folk know that sustainable development as brought to us by the committee is not to be trusted.  I am a small farmer.  I farm on a small personable scale.  But I know the practical side of many types of farming.

 

The modern farming methods of the farmers are not always in the best interests as of that which the purchaser might like.

 

Also.  Modern farming is no different from how animals in the wild 'farm' their areas or terratories.  We Men just do it on a grander scale.  But there is no desire for 'dominion' over the land, but more money.  Yahwist is one of those odd biblical terms that crop up from time to time to label and sort people into categories that can be understood by the user to then castrate the target.  I'm not a yahwist.  Most farmers are not yarwists.

 

What's wrong with more people?

Modern farming is not the only type of farming, but even then I suggest that it's the use of petroleum that has helped more in population growth.  Again, what's wrong with more people?

 

'Farming' full stop has helped Man to live longer and to settle.  More chance of granny living on and kids becoming plentiful.

It's just business.  If population grows it's not the fault of the farmer but the twinkling in the eye of the randy couples.

I don't know what you mean by "what does it solve?'

 

I'm not against wild animals any more than you are but you DO prefer that wild animals stay out of your cupboards right?  You do put locks on your doors and keep cats and mice out of your kitchen....don't you?

Well, ME on the other hand try and keep a balance in my fields.

I don't kill the old fox from getting to my coop.  I teach it to avoid.  Thereby it won't allow any young wipersnapper from getting into its own territory.  So the fox population stays low in my area in the same way nature does it.

 

Have you ever been to a truly wild woods?  They are dangerous pleased because of falling trees and huge holes in the ground.  You can't move unless you are the same height as the animals that go through and in the UK that might be small deer.  So you have to stoop.  No paths mean boggy underfoot.  Etc etc.

It's an adventure.  But woods to stay there for hundreds of years need management.  I have a small valley that is full of standing deadwood.  I bought it a few years back and I and the former owner had never touched it.  So I am now, this winter, going into it and cutting the standing dead wood and making space for new growth.  The valley was quarried over three hundred years ago.  And there are ma-hoo-sive trees there that are so cool and narly.  But some have to go.  You can see the weight of the branches, that are a few foot thick, pulling down and splitting.  If I don't help it, it will die.  And over time it will be replaced. But I can do it quicker and the wood can heat my home or build a home.

 

It's the big shops that force farmers to squeeze their land.  The same big shops that are today squeezing the smaller shops to close.  Farmers need a new form of understanding to get through this BUT it's not their fault that the big stores reduce prices so much that the farmer is under the thumb of them.  When Tesco sells brockley as a loss leader for a pew pennies, the small shop does not buy the farmers stock and soon the farmer is forced to sell at a lower price.  Like I've said before.  If you don't like it this way or that then don't buy.  But don't be the communist and stop others if they want.

 

I am all for variety too.  God bless the internal combustion engine for it's ability to get it to us.

 

Well I DO care when a big company talks of changing the world ...or else!

 

When they use the word they tie it to other uses that unless one digs deeper one is left in the blind.

 

Why drag the word "peace" into this?  If you look it up, piece IS a dirty word because it just means the period between wars.

 

 

What might you do we as a word to describe piece?

 

Cheers.