Sugar Yes or No

[DaleP]

3 hours ago, alexa said:

 

I'll have to look into the Keto diet, any tips ?

No whisky and rye. lol

Edited March 21 by DaleP

[Mr Crabtree]

10 hours ago, DaleP said:

No whisky and rye. lol

For years and years I've always put six sugars in my tea, coffee etc, BUT, I never stir it because I can't stand anything sweet! Clever thinking 'eh?

[alexa]

IMO - it's not the salt they should be worrying about, it is the sugar 

 

How a slice of bread can be as salty as a pack of CRISPS: Huge audit reveals worst-offending loaves - so is YOURS among them?

Action on Salt says many big bread brands and UK supermarkets are failing to deliver on promises to make significant salt reductions in bread and other products.

 

[k_j_evans]

13 hours ago, alexa said:

IMO - it's not the salt they should be worrying about, it is the sugar 

 

How a slice of bread can be as salty as a pack of CRISPS: Huge audit reveals worst-offending loaves - so is YOURS among them?

Action on Salt says many big bread brands and UK supermarkets are failing to deliver on promises to make significant salt reductions in bread and other products.

 

And the seed oils - very nasty inflammatory stuff

[alexa]

10 minutes ago, k_j_evans said:

And the seed oils - very nasty inflammatory stuff

 

I use rapeseed oil, is this ok ? 

[DaleP]

18 hours ago, alexa said:

 

I use rapeseed oil, is this ok ? 

 

You can't use olive oil for frying. So that leaves us with sunflower or rapeseed aka vegetable oil..... What else? OK, there is lard but who cooks with lard all the time?

[webtrekker]

1 hour ago, DaleP said:

 

You can't use olive oil for frying. So that leaves us with sunflower or rapeseed aka vegetable oil..... What else? OK, there is lard but who cooks with lard all the time?

 

We cook with lard, except when I make an omelette, in which case I use a small amount of butter.

 

 

 

[k_j_evans]

20 hours ago, alexa said:

 

I use rapeseed oil, is this ok ? 

Dreadful stuff. Look up eruric acid. Originally, rapeseed was used only for cows and had to be specially "bred" so that it was not toxic to humans. Too many Omega 6s, which are highly inflammatory. It's actually healthier to use butter or lard or tallow - unless you are vegan, in which case coconut oil is better - but it is really hard to get out of the jar in Winter. See also https://hunterandgatherfoods.com/blogs/real-food-lifestyle/is-rape-seed-oil-unhealthy-inflammatory

Edited March 31 by k_j_evans

[k_j_evans]

1 hour ago, DaleP said:

 

You can't use olive oil for frying. So that leaves us with sunflower or rapeseed aka vegetable oil..... What else? OK, there is lard but who cooks with lard all the time?

We used cook with animal fats all the time when I was a kid. Used to strain the fat out of roasting tins etc into a glass container and use it for cooking. It's only in relatively modern times that people started using oil from a plastic bottle (you did see those 5 gallon drums of groundnut oil (as it used to be called) outside the chippy, though)

[alexa]

23 minutes ago, k_j_evans said:

Dreadful stuff. Look up eruric acid. Originally, rapeseed was used only for cows and had to be specially "bred" so that it was not toxic to humans. Too many Omega 6s, which are highly inflammatory. It's actually healthier to use butter or lard or tallow - unless you are vegan, in which case coconut oil is better - but it is really hard to get out of the jar in Winter. See also https://hunterandgatherfoods.com/blogs/real-food-lifestyle/is-rape-seed-oil-unhealthy-inflammatory

 

Thanks k j, I will use lard or butter from now on 

[DaleP]

5 hours ago, k_j_evans said:

We used cook with animal fats all the time when I was a kid. Used to strain the fat out of roasting tins etc into a glass container and use it for cooking. It's only in relatively modern times that people started using oil from a plastic bottle (you did see those 5 gallon drums of groundnut oil (as it used to be called) outside the chippy, though)

 

So do you still cook with lard?

[k_j_evans]

1 hour ago, DaleP said:

 

So do you still cook with lard?

Ermm, I am the token Jewish Marxist Lesbian (and veggie), remember, so, even though I'm not religious, I don't do pig products. But the cats love pork and I have bacon-loving friends. I use coconut oil or butter for myself and those plus fat strained off cooked meat for visitors (it keeps in the fridge for ages).

[DaleP]

13 hours ago, k_j_evans said:

Ermm, I am the token Jewish Marxist Lesbian (and veggie), remember, so, even though I'm not religious, I don't do pig products. But the cats love pork and I have bacon-loving friends. I use coconut oil or butter for myself and those plus fat strained off cooked meat for visitors (it keeps in the fridge for ages).

 

It's alright. I am pretty certain I've got Jewish DNA as well.

[k_j_evans]

3 hours ago, DaleP said:

 

It's alright. I am pretty certain I've got Jewish DNA as well.

There is a lot of it about.

I went veggie after cancer diagnosis - now mostly do Budwig diet (did raw vegan for a couple of years but it is a bit miserable in cold weather) - don't know if it works, but I'm still alive after 17 years and no conventional treatment

I still reckon lard makes the best short pastry - not that I ever make it these days

Edited April 1 by k_j_evans

[bamboozooka]

the fda does not ban many things but they banned rapeseed oil in the 70's

they then modified the plant and called it canola oil and the fda passed it.

its now been modified to resist round up.

 

use lard (cheap as chips), coconut oil or avacado oil, or butter.

 

everything you have been told about nutrition by establishments is a lie.

 

family member with raised cholesterol. started reducing saturates as thats what they say.

cholesterol kept going up. now in denial it went up and still watching the saturates.

[DaleP]

3 hours ago, k_j_evans said:

There is a lot of it about.

I went veggie after cancer diagnosis - now mostly do Budwig diet (did raw vegan for a couple of years but it is a bit miserable in cold weather) - don't know if it works, but I'm still alive after 17 years and no conventional treatment

I still reckon lard makes the best short pastry - not that I ever make it these days

 

There is veggie suet....

[DaleP]

1 minute ago, bamboozooka said:

the fda does not ban many things but they banned rapeseed oil in the 70's

they then modified the plant and called it canola oil and the fda passed it.

its now been modified to resist round up.

 

use lard (cheap as chips), coconut oil or avacado oil, or butter.

 

everything you have been told about nutrition by establishments is a lie.

 

family member with raised cholesterol. started reducing saturates as thats what they say.

cholesterol kept going up. now in denial it went up and still watching the saturates.

 

So how do you fry chicken or chips? What with?

I get the feeling that too much animal fat will, dare I say, clog the arteries.

[bamboozooka]

1 minute ago, DaleP said:

 

So how do you fry chicken or chips? What with?

I get the feeling that too much animal fat will, dare I say, clog the arteries.

air fryer and no oil.

 

you did read the part about saturates or did you just stop at lard?

[k_j_evans]

2 hours ago, DaleP said:

 

So how do you fry chicken or chips? What with?

I get the feeling that too much animal fat will, dare I say, clog the arteries.

Don't eat chicken and if I did I'd roast it or grill it if it was just a breast. Don't eat chips except from chippy and I suspect they are fried in some nasty veg oil, but it's so rare that I eat them ... When I cooked them for a pub (many, many years ago), we had to melt the fat for the fryer first (it was the left end of a solid fuel rayburn-type stove), so I think it was probably beef dripping.

Arteries don't "clog" because of eating animal fat; arterial plaque occurs to mend faults in arterial wall (like filler). Saturated fat is not harmful, but polyunsaturates are inflammatory (they oxidise very fast) and so are processed carbs (we seem to be back to sugar again). Read The Great Cholesterol Con and The Clot Thickens

[k_j_evans]

2 hours ago, DaleP said:

 

There is veggie suet....

I just use coconut oil for frying - I don't do pastry any more because a) processed flour and b) wheat allergy (also soya and oats). If I was making it for someone else I'd just use lard and butter, or beef suet for dumplings 

[DaleP]

19 hours ago, k_j_evans said:

Don't eat chicken and if I did I'd roast it or grill it if it was just a breast. Don't eat chips except from chippy and I suspect they are fried in some nasty veg oil, but it's so rare that I eat them ... When I cooked them for a pub (many, many years ago), we had to melt the fat for the fryer first (it was the left end of a solid fuel rayburn-type stove), so I think it was probably beef dripping.

Arteries don't "clog" because of eating animal fat; arterial plaque occurs to mend faults in arterial wall (like filler). Saturated fat is not harmful, but polyunsaturates are inflammatory (they oxidise very fast) and so are processed carbs (we seem to be back to sugar again). Read The Great Cholesterol Con and The Clot Thickens

I have quit gluten.... people are telling me to quit sugar, veg oil.....now chicken.

I just want to breath and that's it then.

Edited April 2 by DaleP

[k_j_evans]

18 hours ago, DaleP said:

I have quit gluten.... people are telling me to quit sugar, veg oil.....now chicken.

I just want to breath and that's it then.

If you don't feel better after stopping gluten, you are probably not sensitive to it, so no point giving it up. Might be sensitive to glyphosate though and most cereal crops are dried using it, so try to get organic anything made from flour or get organic flour and make your own. I am actually allergic to wheat and oats (asthma clinic), so it does make a real difference. Can't see why you need to give up chicken, although organic, or even just free range, would mean fewer hormones etc in them. In some countries, where they factory farm cows, beef would be as bad. Salmon is another one that tends to be full of chemicals unless wild caught. I note that my grandparents generation and earlier, as long as they didn't die from an industrial disease or accident, lived longer than we do now and didn't worry about saturated fat. Has the incidence of heart disease decreased sine we moved over to seed oils? I don't think so. Has cancer increased? Probably.

Soon we'll be made to buy special masks with a chip in them to "filter out" covid and bird flu, so breathe while you can.

[Captainlove]

On 3/31/2023 at 2:30 PM, DaleP said:

 

You can't use olive oil for frying. So that leaves us with sunflower or rapeseed aka vegetable oil..... What else? OK, there is lard but who cooks with lard all the time?

Why cant you use olive for frying?

[DaleP]

42 minutes ago, k_j_evans said:

Can't see why you need to give up chicken,

 

Because you suggested it.

 

On 4/1/2023 at 10:23 PM, k_j_evans said:

Don't eat chicken

 

[DaleP]

21 minutes ago, Captainlove said:

Why cant you use olive for frying?

 

Because every oil has a different saturation temperature and olive oil and avocado oil have a low saturation point so not good for frying. OK for salad dressing.