Sugar Yes or No

[Michi713]

GMO corn strains are given names “Obsession 2,” “Passion 2,” and “Temptation 2.”  So it should be plain that any foods that contain corn products are meant to hook you.  You can find a list of all the deceptive names for corn.  Include xanthan gum, which is made from corn syrup through a fermentation process and citric acid which is from byproducts of processing corn using sulfuric acid. Foodopoly, Hauter.
 

But sugar itself, should it be avoided entirely?  Is it a drug or a food?  Fruit.  Should it be eaten every day despite the fact that in nature it usually only grows seasonally?  How hard would it be to reduce all sugar intake to a tiny amount?  
 

 

 

 

[Michi713]

From The Hacking of the American Mind by Robert Lustig:

 

“Dietary sugar: glucose and fructose.  Glucose being so important the liver will make it.  Fructose:  there is no biochemical reaction that requires it.  Yet when consumed chronically at a high dose, it is toxic and abused.”

 

”Glucose and fructose activate different parts of the brain.  
 

MRI:  glucose lights up areas associated with consciousness and movement.  
 

Fructose lights up the reward pathway and several sites in the stress-fear-memory pathway.  This suggests that sugar is uniquely capable of altering emotional responses.”

 

 

[allymisfit]

42 minutes ago, Michi713 said:

GMO corn strains are given names “Obsession 2,” “Passion 2,” and “Temptation 2.”  So it should be plain that any foods that contain corn products are meant to hook you.  You can find a list of all the deceptive names for corn.  Include xanthan gum, which is made from corn syrup through a fermentation process and citric acid which is from byproducts of processing corn using sulfuric acid. Foodopoly, Hauter.
 

But sugar itself, should it be avoided entirely?  Is it a drug or a food?  Fruit.  Should it be eaten every day despite the fact that in nature it usually only grows seasonally?  How hard would it be to reduce all sugar intake to a tiny amount?  
 

 

 

 

Good point..

Darn I am such a sugar fiend.. I have tried and tried to stop but my lack of self discipline sucks terribly. 

 

I know it's my worst enemy as it predisposes me to many diseases and yet knowing that, the addictive properties take over and make me want more.. 

 

Like you say about seasonal fruits, I realised something this year that nature brings us exactly what we need at the exact time of the year. 

The brambles in my garden are full of antioxidants, perfect for seasonal colds.

 

What do you reckon of fruit sugars? Should they be avoided or do we need them? 

 

 

 

[Michi713]

3 hours ago, allymisfit said:

What do you reckon of fruit sugars? Should they be avoided or do we need them

Don’t think there is a biological need for sweet fruits.  
 

David Perlmutter, MD, the author of Grain Brain suggests the following fruits for consumption:

 

Low-sugar Fruit: avocado, bell peppers, cucumber, tomato, zucchini, squash, pumpkin, eggplant, lemons, limes.

 

But damn!  That’s near impossible especially now during persimmon and pomegranate season where I’m on two a day.   Plus in the summer when it’s peach time!  

One good thing when you get away from refined sugars, fruits and even nuts taste way sweeter. 

 

[Michi713]

Natural flavors are manufactured by chemical companies and used in nutritionally barren corn and soy-based livestock feed.  This encourages the animals to overeat, resulting in metabolic disease. 

 

To the medical-industrial complex, the US is a giant barnyard with Vegas-like flickering lights and ringing bells.  The  livestock are the people.  

 

Using natural flavors and sugar, the people overeat to get dopamine hits, then get metabolic disease, which is the precursor to all the big killers.  

 

Then they are pushed through the medical system of expensive tests, ever accumulating medications, and treatments until they are dead.  It’s a slow kill. 

[Michi713]

From Hacking of the American Mind:

 

”If you feed fructose to animals you get all the pathology and cognitive decline one sees in Alzheimer’s disease, and it causes changes in genes that predict Alzheimer’s.”

 

”So far in humans we only have correlation.”

 

One could speculate that, if the sugar and medical lobbies were removed from the situation, the correlation in humans could be upgraded to causation. 

So far there is no evidence that dietary sugar (sucrose - fructose and glucose) is necessary or beneficial to us in any way, but detrimental to our health and another tool of exploitation. 

 

[Steph]

20 hours ago, Michi713 said:

From The Hacking of the American Mind by Robert Lustig:

 

“Dietary sugar: glucose and fructose.  Glucose being so important the liver will make it.  Fructose:  there is no biochemical reaction that requires it.  Yet when consumed chronically at a high dose, it is toxic and abused.”

 

”Glucose and fructose activate different parts of the brain.  
 

MRI:  glucose lights up areas associated with consciousness and movement.  
 

Fructose lights up the reward pathway and several sites in the stress-fear-memory pathway.  This suggests that sugar is uniquely capable of altering emotional responses.”

 

 

Ringing a bell caused the pathways in Pavlov's dog's brain to light up so it salivated.

[rideforever]

I used to be a sugar fiend but being in an ambulance a few Christimases ago in the middle of the night crying for mama ... cured me of it.

Now I am zero sugar, zero pasta, zero wheat, zero milk, zero beef&pork, low meat.

Protein from eggs, hard cheese, occasional lamb&chicken, nuts.

 

Best thing I found to kick sugar was smoothies with honey and fruit etc... enjoy it ...  for a year or so, then I switched to stevia (meaning raw green stevia powder) have a big jar full, and you get used to it quite nicely, I've been through 4 types of raw stevia and found one that is very close tasting to sugar.

All the other sugar substitutes like Xylithol, Coconut whatever, rice syrup, molasses ...all shit.

Even monk fruit sugar is shit because it causes cold-flavour (Chinese medicine).

Stevia is the answer, normally ... in fact have a bowl next to me just finished 5 muffins made with 2 bananas, 1 apple, 1/2 tsp stevia, 1/2 can coconut milk ... 220g buckwheat/riceflour ... 2 eggs, 1/2 tsp baking powder, and bunch nuts seeds green stuff all blended into it ... makes 12.  160C for 25mins.

 

Sugar is the product of digestion rather than digestion itself.  So you are short circuting yourself.

 

Also drinking loads of orange juice, or doing juice fasts is also shit.  Damages the system.  Putting in high octane food is not what the body needs, body needs low sugar, long-term stuff.  Done all those things.  Learned to be wise.

 

Also do a lot of congees type stuff, either with rice or porridge.   And the great book "Healing With Wholefoods" excellent for everything.

 

 

[Michi713]

7 hours ago, rideforever said:

muffins

Made them.  They are good!    I see how you can eat 5.

[allymisfit]

On 11/30/2020 at 12:00 AM, Michi713 said:

Don’t think there is a biological need for sweet fruits.  
 

David Perlmutter, MD, the author of Grain Brain suggests the following fruits for consumption:

 

Low-sugar Fruit: avocado, bell peppers, cucumber, tomato, zucchini, squash, pumpkin, eggplant, lemons, limes.

 

But damn!  That’s near impossible especially now during persimmon and pomegranate season where I’m on two a day.   Plus in the summer when it’s peach time!  

One good thing when you get away from refined sugars, fruits and even nuts taste way sweeter. 

 

That's pretty interesting! 

 

I feel a bit embarrassed to say that I thought that the majority of those fruits are in fact vegetables...but right enough, they have seeds. 

Oh silly me! 

 

Yummy! Do you have lots growing around you? That must be bliss.

But you have good reason to enjoy all the antioxidant benefits of pomegranates to get you through winter :D

 

I'm still finding myself grabbing the ice cream.. Then embarrassingly realising my mistake afterwards. 

But I guess they say these things are learned over time.. Or that's just my terrible excuse lol. 

 

 

 

[allymisfit]

On 11/30/2020 at 3:48 PM, Michi713 said:

From Hacking of the American Mind:

 

”If you feed fructose to animals you get all the pathology and cognitive decline one sees in Alzheimer’s disease, and it causes changes in genes that predict Alzheimer’s.”

 

”So far in humans we only have correlation.”

 

One could speculate that, if the sugar and medical lobbies were removed from the situation, the correlation in humans could be upgraded to causation. 

So far there is no evidence that dietary sugar (sucrose - fructose and glucose) is necessary or beneficial to us in any way, but detrimental to our health and another tool of exploitation. 

 

Do you think it's possible to reverse damage done? 

 

[Michi713]

16 hours ago, allymisfit said:

Yummy! Do you have lots growing around you?

Lot of persimmon trees here but we get pomegranates from the store.  I have a tree of each but they are just baby trees.

 

16 hours ago, allymisfit said:

Do you think it's possible to reverse damage done? 

Yes absolutely! 

Alzheimer’s activity in the brain as described on National Institute of Health website:

 

“At first, Alzheimer’s disease typically destroys neurons and their connections in parts of the brain involved in memory, including the entorhinal cortex and hippocampus. It later affects areas in the cerebral cortex responsible for language, reasoning, and social behavior. Eventually, many other areas of the brain are damaged. Over time, a person with Alzheimer’s gradually loses his or her ability to live and function independently. Ultimately, the disease is fatal.”

 

However, neurogenesis has been proven to occur in adults!  I watched this talk years ago and it’s good.  Off the top I remember chewing crunchy foods promotes neurogenesis.  

 

https://www.ted.com/talks/sandrine_thuret_you_can_grow_new_brain_cells_here_s_how

 

Side note: Even white matter can regenerate.  Raw almonds promote growth of white matter.  
 

 

[bamboozooka]

very interesting

 

[allymisfit]

On 12/3/2020 at 3:52 PM, Michi713 said:

Lot of persimmon trees here but we get pomegranates from the store.  I have a tree of each but they are just baby trees.

 

Yes absolutely! 

Alzheimer’s activity in the brain as described on National Institute of Health website:

 

“At first, Alzheimer’s disease typically destroys neurons and their connections in parts of the brain involved in memory, including the entorhinal cortex and hippocampus. It later affects areas in the cerebral cortex responsible for language, reasoning, and social behavior. Eventually, many other areas of the brain are damaged. Over time, a person with Alzheimer’s gradually loses his or her ability to live and function independently. Ultimately, the disease is fatal.”

 

However, neurogenesis has been proven to occur in adults!  I watched this talk years ago and it’s good.  Off the top I remember chewing crunchy foods promotes neurogenesis.  

 

https://www.ted.com/talks/sandrine_thuret_you_can_grow_new_brain_cells_here_s_how

 

Side note: Even white matter can regenerate.  Raw almonds promote growth of white matter.  
 

 

Amazing, thank you so much! :D

[DaleP]

OK, so after I stablise my gluten free diet, I want to look into sugar substitutes.

Do you think Erythritol Crystals are OK? How about Xylitol?

I don't seem to get on well with a large quantity of Stevia somehow. I don't really like the taste and it has a funny effect on me.

[Macnamara]

4 minutes ago, DaleP said:

OK, so after I stablise my gluten free diet, I want to look into sugar substitutes.

 

date sugar can be sprinkled on things eg your porridge but it can't be used for baking as it doesn't dissolve

 

maple syrup and honey are natural sweetners but check they are real maple syrup and real honey!

 

if you need to use sugar eg to bake then rapadura is unrefined cane sugar which still as the minerals in it so a healthier alternative to refined sugar

[k_j_evans]

4 hours ago, DaleP said:

OK, so after I stablise my gluten free diet, I want to look into sugar substitutes.

Do you think Erythritol Crystals are OK? How about Xylitol?

I don't seem to get on well with a large quantity of Stevia somehow. I don't really like the taste and it has a funny effect on me.

Coconut sugar works well for making chutney

[DaleP]

2 hours ago, k_j_evans said:

Coconut sugar works well for making chutney

yeah but that's still sugar.

[k_j_evans]

47 minutes ago, DaleP said:

yeah but that's still sugar.

Sugar in small quantities isn't necessarily bad - like salt , it is a preservative - as long as it isn't high fructose. Raw honey, if you need a sweetener with some preservative qualities, or even organic raw cane sugar - probably better for you than chemically extracted stuff like xylitol  (which can kill a dog).

Or go completely keto and ditch the carbs totally.

[webtrekker]

3 hours ago, k_j_evans said:

Or go completely keto and ditch the carbs totally.

 

The human body has no need for carbs.

 

Probably many of you have already seen this famous TEDx talk by Dr. Sarah Hallberg, but for those who haven't, here it is. Watch it. It's not long (18mins) and you won't regret it ...

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 21 by webtrekker

[DaleP]

3 hours ago, k_j_evans said:

Sugar in small quantities isn't necessarily bad - like salt , it is a preservative - as long as it isn't high fructose. Raw honey, if you need a sweetener with some preservative qualities, or even organic raw cane sugar - probably better for you than chemically extracted stuff like xylitol  (which can kill a dog).

 

I already buy organic raw cane sugar. Whether it's organic or non-organic is not the point though.

 

 

3 hours ago, k_j_evans said:

Or go completely keto and ditch the carbs totally.

 

No I can't do that. Wheat is out the question, then I have to keep some vice. lol

[alexa]

4 hours ago, DaleP said:

 

Wheat is out the question, then I have to keep some vice. lol

 

And me - Whisky & Rye 

[k_j_evans]

17 hours ago, DaleP said:

 

I already buy organic raw cane sugar. Whether it's organic or non-organic is not the point though.

 

 

It probably is part of the point. Pesticides and herbicides are responsible for at least some of the bad effects of wheat and probably don't help your insulin response. The naturopath I'm a group admin for swears by keto

[alexa]

1 minute ago, k_j_evans said:

The naturopath I'm a group admin for swears by keto

 

I'll have to look into the Keto diet, any tips ?

[k_j_evans]

9 minutes ago, alexa said:

 

I'll have to look into the Keto diet, any tips ?

Eat enough fat - not seed oils. A lot of people like paleohacks.com. Our group is really for people with thyroid problems but exists on FB and MeWe (not vey active) -m strict about the rules. Thyroid Care Group Keto Recipe Share (FB) Ketogenic cooking and recipes. Thyroid care group (MeWe). There are more recipes in the files on MeWe than on FB but the FB group is more active. There are bound to be other groups also