Historian and Icke-fan demolishes Icke on Hitler

[Incandescent]

1 hour ago, Eldnah said:

 

You are correct in that during WW2 Jewish service and losses were no differrent to any other group in Germany.

 

But there were very few in the 2nd - Officially there would have been none - but some would have escaped detection. There would of course probably have been some with a Jewish Grand parent or possibly 1 parent as these people were often  deemed not Jewish by the state

 

 

This is because the Nazis banned Jews from serving in the German armed forces  (amongst other things), Then  began an anti Jewish campaign because good Germans were dying to defend Germany whilst the Jew stayed at home.

 

You could argue that given the regimes attitude - they wouldnt want to - but conscription would have made that irrelevant.

 

 

 

 

Yeah see the post above you. Yes a lot of the Jews in the national socialist party were 'half Jews', 'Mischling'  but that is Jewish. If half Jews aren't Jewish then half of the self identifying Jews in America are not Jewish. 

This author has researched and written extensively on the topic. 

https://www.amazon.com/Bryan-Mark-Rigg/e/B001IZV62M%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share

[Eldnah]

11 minutes ago, Incandescent said:

 

Yeah see the post above you. Yes a lot of the Jews in the national socialist party were 'half Jews', 'Mischling'  but that is Jewish. If half Jews aren't Jewish then half of the self identifying Jews in America are not Jewish. 
 

 

And Israel would point that out to them

 

Youre only Jewish if your mum is - dad doesnt count - I think Islam is the Male Line and christianity doesnt care which parent it is as long as they agree the church can keep its claws in.

 

In poland the Nazis removed Aryan enough looking children from Polish families and sent them to be adopted in Germany.

They basicaly divided poland into Jews - (easy ) Slav looking and Germanic looking - the latter were to become Volk german the former would ultimatly have been expelled eastwards if lucky or worked to death as slave labour if not.

 

Hitlers plan for the Jews** would have been the fate of most of the Eastern European peoples

 

 

** Removal from the Reich 

 

[Kali]

What would be the point of the above discussion? How does it help us now? It's the same bunch of people behind every war or genocide, just with different names and faces. 

[Truthspoon]

54 minutes ago, Eldnah said:

 

And Israel would point that out to them

 

Youre only Jewish if your mum is - dad doesnt count - I think Islam is the Male Line and christianity doesnt care which parent it is as long as they agree the church can keep its claws in.

 

In poland the Nazis removed Aryan enough looking children from Polish families and sent them to be adopted in Germany.

They basicaly divided poland into Jews - (easy ) Slav looking and Germanic looking - the latter were to become Volk german the former would ultimatly have been expelled eastwards if lucky or worked to death as slave labour if not.

 

Hitlers plan for the Jews** would have been the fate of most of the Eastern European peoples

 

 

** Removal from the Reich 

 

 

More Jewish lies..... and I notice you cannot contain your hatred of Christianity..... 

 

The Germans invaded Poland because it was full of ethnic Germans being persecuted by the Poles. 

 

https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/NHC/NewPDFs/GERMANY/GER.Polish.Atrocities.Against.German.Minority.in.Poland.1940.pdf

 

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The Polish nation must for all time be held responsible for this appalling massacre consequent upon that Polish reign of terror. Up to November 17, 1939, the closing day for the documentary evidence contained in the first edition of this book, 5,437 murders, committed by members of the Polish armed forces and by Polish civilians on men, women and children of the German minority had already been irrefutably proved. It was quite apparent even then that the actual number of murders far exceeded this figure, and by February 1, 1940, the total number of identified bodies of the German minority had increased to 12,857. Official investigations carried out since the outbreak of the German-Polish war have shown that to these 12,857 killed there must be added more than 45,000 missing, all of whom must be accounted dead since no trace of them can be found.

 

(2) The terrific losses caused to German interests in Poland during the Polish domination can be given in figures under the heading of emigration, expropriation, closing of German schools, as follows: up to the middle of 1939, 1.4 million Germans under the pressure of Polish officials had emigrated from Posen-West Prussia and from Upper Silesia. German settlers had lost 1,263,288 acres of land and of these 265,288 acres due to the one-sided Agrarian Reforms unilaterally applied against Germans, 998,000 acres due to cancellation and liquidation. Of the 657 public German minority schools in existence in 1925 (in 1927 only 498), only 185 were left at the beginning of the school year 1938/1939 (of these 150 in Posen-West Prussia and 35 in Upper Silesia).

 

 

 

The Germans only wanted to return to pre World War 1 armistice borders, because millions of ethnic Germans were fenced off from their own country. 

 

This is a fact. 

 

But yeah, the usual Jewish lies and propaganda coming from you...

 

I don't have any particular favour for the Germans and I've always considered Hitler to be a dupe used by the Illuminati to further their ends of the creation of a Jewish state, but I do not like lies and liars.

Edited March 3, 2021 by Truthspoon

[Eldnah]

28 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

More Jewish lies..... and I notice you cannot contain your hatred of Christianity..... 

 

What hatred of Christianity - If your reffering to this 

 

Youre only Jewish if your mum is - dad doesnt count - I think Islam is the Male Line and christianity doesnt care which parent it is as long as they agree the church can keep its claws in.

 

Then youve clearly missunderstood  - the remark about claws in was really aimed at all religions -  Christianity was singled out only to point out it doesnt do the gender line thing

 

Beyond my disdain for all organised religion - there was no dislike of any group inferred

 

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The Germans invaded Poland because it was full of ethnic Germans being persecuted by the Poles. 

 

Not true - however much the ministry of propoganda tried to dress it up  - though im not disputing that Poland was rather a nasty dictatorship in 1939 - To be honest i expected you to be rather supportive of them given their anti jewish laws pre war. 

 

Poland had to be destroyed as part of the whole living space to the east -  With France shortly after Poland although that was to make it incapable of aiding the SU when he invaded not to make it german.  As far as i understand it the troops left in France were far in excess of what were planned to be left there - because the UK didnt agree to an armistice. 

 

Its one thing to deny the holocaust or dispute certain narratives and point out blatant propoganda - quite another to pretend that despite the whole German Army heading East into the Soviet Union for living space - Hitler wasnt a bad guy and wasnt really a threat to his neighbours

 

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The Germans only wanted to return to pre World War 1 armistice borders, because millions of ethnic Germans were fenced off from their own country. 

 

Which was why many looked the other way and the likes of the Munich agreement were signed - there was not only a common thread of avoiding war - but a general concensous amongst most people that German occupation of these territories was only righting an injustice.

 

Incidently the other Jewish lies about adoptions and dividing the populas into looks german enough and doesnt - comes from German sources both people and documents.

 

At this point i can only conclude youre research of the topic is very superficial and very much geared to what fits your prejudice

 

 

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This is a fact. 

 

Clearly not facts though are they - since you are ignoring a vast amount of history to claim that Hitler was only looking out for Germans.

 

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But yeah, the usual Jewish lies and propaganda coming from you...

 

Look I know you have trouble with this but 

 

A) not everyone who disagrees with you is Jewish 

B) Facts you dont like dont always originate from Jewish people

C) Jews are like Muslims and Christians - theres good , bad, corrupt , rich, influential in all those groups. That you think all jews are evil says a lot more about you than it does them

Edited March 3, 2021 by Eldnah

[Truthspoon]

https://www.democracynow.org/2008/4/17/headlines/report_netanyahu_says_9_11_has_been_good_for_israel

 

 

 

 

 

 

Report: Netanyahu Says 9/11 Has Been Good for Israel

 

HEADLINEAPR 17, 2008

 

The Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv has reported that Israel’s former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has publicly said the September 11 attacks have been good for Israel. Netanyahu said, “We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.” Netanyahu then reportedly said that these events “swung American public opinion in our favor.” Netanyahu’s comments came during a conference at Bar Ilan University.

 

 

 

Enter Ilay and Nehaoray, seven-year-old twins from Israel whose parents “playfully” decided to dress their children up in famous twin costumes: the Twin Towers. Not only are the kids dressed as the famous New York City buildings, they are fashioning the structures while on fire… with the planes sticking out of the side right near the children’s eye holes.Popular news website Ynet originally posted the image, with the headline “Twin Towers and other costumes this Purim.” After several commenters remarked about how the title was almost as distasteful as the costume itself, the publication chose to remove it.

 

http://images1.ynet.co.il/PicServer3/2013/02/22/4474805/44748010100098408538no.jpg

Edited March 3, 2021 by Truthspoon

[Eldnah]

17 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

https://www.democracynow.org/2008/4/17/headlines/report_netanyahu_says_9_11_has_been_good_for_israel

 

 

 

 

 

 

Report: Netanyahu Says 9/11 Has Been Good for Israel

 

HEADLINEAPR 17, 2008

 

The Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv has reported that Israel’s former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has publicly said the September 11 attacks have been good for Israel. Netanyahu said, “We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.” Netanyahu then reportedly said that these events “swung American public opinion in our favor.” Netanyahu’s comments came during a conference at Bar Ilan University.

 

 

 

Enter Ilay and Nehaoray, seven-year-old twins from Israel whose parents “playfully” decided to dress their children up in famous twin costumes: the Twin Towers. Not only are the kids dressed as the famous New York City buildings, they are fashioning the structures while on fire… with the planes sticking out of the side right near the children’s eye holes.Popular news website Ynet originally posted the image, with the headline “Twin Towers and other costumes this Purim.” After several commenters remarked about how the title was almost as distasteful as the costume itself, the publication chose to remove it.

 

http://images1.ynet.co.il/PicServer3/2013/02/22/4474805/44748010100098408538no.jpg

 

Thats it - thats the bulk of your argument - youve yet to produce any coherant arument - screaming Jewish lies and mashing your keyboard to every point made you dont like really isnt 

 

And now what - a  couple guilty of bad taste - thats not a crime - it proves nothing about anything -(  Jooz hiss boo etc)

 

As for netanyahu  wheres the issue - whats the point youre trying to make

He says in context (paraphrased) 911 has benefited Israel people have become more sympathetic to us - thats no great suprise in light of the rise in anti muslim sentiment that followed 9  11 - Its  also benefited Saudi amongst other places

 

So other than an insensitive fancy dress costume and a politician expressing stating that the situation following 911 has been a positive to Israil what exactly is your point

[DarianF]

As a casual amateur observer, I would say, that if Hitler didn't get dragged into Mussolini's bullshit, he would have won.

[Eldnah]

2 minutes ago, DarianF said:

As a casual amateur observer, I would say, that if Hitler didn't get dragged into Mussolini's bullshit, he would have won.

 

Not sure about that given all the other factors - thats its own thread

 

I agree Yugoslavia / greece and then Middle East were massive distractions in time and resources. The desert war in particular must have weakened Barbarossa not just the troops and tanks used - but the Trucks - The German army used rail to a distribution point then horse and cart for supplies** - most of their infantry marched if not on trains - they had little motorised transport.

The desert war had to be all motorised and i think there were as many lorries in the desert as Russia 

 

Equally the Battle of Britain was a futile waste and the Luftwaffe never recovered from that ( Still rebuilding when Barbarrosa starts)

 

**Advantage when it runs out of fuel or breaks down you can eat it - disadvantage its harder to maintain and uses fuel even when parked up 

[DarianF]

2 minutes ago, Eldnah said:

 

Not sure about that given all the other factors - thats its own thread

 

I agree Yugoslavia / greece and then Middle East were massive distractions in time and resources. The desert war in particular must have weakened Barbarossa not just the troops and tanks used - but the Trucks - The German army used rail to a distribution point then horse and cart for supplies** - most of their infantry marched if not on trains - they had little motorised transport.

The desert war had to be all motorised and i think there were as many lorries in the desert as Russia 

 

Equally the Battle of Britain was a futile waste and the Luftwaffe never recovered from that ( Still rebuilding when Barbarrosa starts)

 

**Advantage when it runs out of fuel or breaks down you can eat it - disadvantage its harder to maintain and uses fuel even when parked up 

 

I watched this whole series the other day [ https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZxIFAN12m6wmm5K8fPkApSB1F90885hS ], and all I could think was (politics and emotions aside- just from a pure strategic point of view) that the Italians were really a major iron chain for Hitler around his neck.

 

[Incandescent]

12 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

But those Jews specifically attack, reject and question many aspects of the Jewish New World Order and Illuminati which they rightly point out is a Jewish conspiracy.

 

So please, don't use ethnic Jews like Brother Nathaniel, Henry Makow and Christopher John Bjerknes, whom I assume you are speaking of,  to try to fence off criticism of Jewish lies.... they wouldn't approve.

 

 

 

 

Your assumption is wrong, Brother Nathanial is the only one of those guys I'm even aware of, although I guess you'd have to include them in the Alt-media, so my point goes to them also. But in my head I was thinking of the likes of James O-Keefe (the Project Veritas guy), H.A. Goodman, and Jason Goodman (of Crowdsource the Truth. )

[Incandescent]

13 hours ago, Eldnah said:

 

And Israel would point that out to them

 

Youre only Jewish if your mum is - dad doesnt count -

 

 

That is only according to Halakha law, it's not the case for reform Jews and Reconstructionist Jews .. and it's just not the case according to reality. The fact that Orthodox Judaism looks down on mixed Jews matters not. It looks down on every other type of Judaism, but still recognizes secular Jewry as Jewish. Judaism has all sorts of laws, most of them are not upheld. The question of 'who is a Jew?' is actually quite messy and there is no great answer...

 

In any case secular Jews like the Neo-cons, or for the that matter the Labor Zionists (Bolsheviks) are some of the most dangerous types. All this just underlines my original point about it not making sense to talk about Jews monolithically. 

  

[Incandescent]

12 hours ago, Kali said:

What would be the point of the above discussion? How does it help us now? It's the same bunch of people behind every war or genocide, just with different names and faces. 

 

Because there are Jews on the good side! 

[Truthspoon]

36 minutes ago, Incandescent said:

 

Because there are Jews on the good side! 

 

No, I don't buy it. Didn't James O'Keefe support the military psy-op Q Anon?

 

H A Goodman? Writes for Huffington Post and Salon and the Jerusalem Post? Worked for the US dept of state? Cue Twilight Zone music. And as for Jason Goodman.....he still has his Youtube channel right? Says it all......

 

I think you're still playing in the shallow analysis end of the swimming pool..... Basically you're a doggy paddling normie who thinks he isn't.

 

I'm in the deep end seeing how deep this thing really goes buddy.....

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 4, 2021 by Truthspoon

[Incandescent]

Yeah sure you are buddy. You're not the first person to convince himself that he's got uniquely 'deep' insights into the nature of things, actually it's almost a cliché .  I read your last sentence in the voice of Morpheus, that's how lame you are to me. 

 

I don't much care if I'm considered unoriginal on a certain matter.  Originality doesn't necessarily improve a viewpoint, especially when it's based in paranoia, grandiose delusions and faulty reasoning. 

 

You can go through anybody's history and find reasons to link them to a conspiracy. You've evidently become convinced that every Jew is part of a conspiracy. In fact, I don't know why you haven't decided that I'm Jewish, yet? I mean think about it, it makes sense, doesn't it? Or maybe I am?? 

[Truthspoon]

1 hour ago, Incandescent said:

Yeah sure you are buddy.  

 

Damn straight. Check out my blog www.truthspoon.com

 

I've got a lot of experience into the deeper aspects of what this is all about.....

 

And I don't get my facts from Salon or Huffington Posts journalists.

 

I live it for myself.

 

To be honest I think you've taken a wrong turn somewhere in cyberspace to end up here. You seem totally to be a creature of the mainstream media level analysis.

 

 

Edited March 4, 2021 by Truthspoon

[novymir]

David Icke apparently is still clinging to some cherished illusions concerning politics, this world, and "history". He's still done/doing good service though.

 

Ultimately it doesn't matter.

 

Hitler and Germany were defending themselves the best they could, with the most honesty and integrity and respect(for life) of any nation recently before and ever since.  Every other one was a 2-faced hypocrite lying and conniving and murdering for their satanic masters. They project their garbage on those that threaten them, they that can see... and then they claim victim...of untrue projections....the mind-fuckers extrordinaire...possessed by, and instruments of anti-Christ.

 

There were no extermination gas chambers, there was no extermination policy. The "allies" are responsible for ALL the carnage with their annihilating war against Germany. They coulda took in "thejews"(tm) they coulda offered them refuge... instead they chose a better??? option? Right. Right.

 

Were they(Germany) perfect? Were they completely free of criminals and traitors operating within? Duh! .........MORE SO THAN THEIR ENEMIES!

What a joke.

The blatant lies accepted and spewed by the assimilated members of the Borg collective(which the Germans were aware of and attempting to  defend against)is both hilarious and tragic.

 

The real holocaust was what the "allies" inflicted upon Germany for having the nerve and "arrogance" to reject the very thing that is being perpetrated and imposed globally upon humanity right now.

 

If anyone expects perfection in this world they're pissing in the wind...but it's so easy and fun to condemn those(others) that don't express it.

 

Same shit, different century, different appearances,, same principles, same result. Welcome to Never Never Land. It's all a fraud.

 

Edited March 5, 2021 by novymir