Is Yahweh really Satan?

[novymir]

The Divine didn't abandon anyone...it only seemed like it...

 

Another way of telling the story(revelation)

 

Edited January 26, 2021 by novymir
ps; previous post;maybe reject or discard to substitute for "hate"

[jupiter]

On 11/24/2020 at 3:36 PM, Diesel said:

I am convinced the God of this realm Yahweh is really Satan. Reading again the story of Genesis I think Yahweh is judgmental, insecure, jealous, vengeful, egotistic and tyrannical. He bears no relation to the God of Jesus who is unconditional love. I believe that we have been tricked into worshipping a false god and this world is a copy, an imitation of the real one where our true God resides. This is hell. 

 dont know if his name is Yahweh at all , but i think you made first step into right direction , and there is lot of steps to make .

[Sea Sean]

 

[kninjahman]

Nope nope and nope.

Yehweh is not God's name - God's name was caused to become lost to the people of Israel because of there sins, they do not know the name of God, they only conjecture. 

 

Satan is a being created by God. 

God is ONE, He is Unique and He is the Creator of all things. 
He Created Good and Evil to test the human being.

Satan used to be high ranking - however, he believed his God-Given abilities were enough that he could be God when in reality only God can be God - to anyone else power corrupts. 

There has been prophets and messengers send to every people on this earth to confirm this, however there has also been enemys of those prophets and messengers who use fancy sayings in order to deceive. 

God is incomparably greater than anyone and anything and He alone is worthy of worship - we were created to worship Him and that is the basis of this test - He has warned us to not follow the devil for the devil is an open enemy to mankind. 

Peace! 

 

Edit: You will notice in the bible ONE LINE is never translated, it is left untranslated. It's what Jesus (peace be upon him) says while on the cross... ELLAH, ELLAH.... 

Hebrew and Arabic are a tad different - but hebrew is actually aramaic just in a special form. 
In Arabic God is called "Allah" which translates to "The God".
However it also makes clear that "to Allah belong the Most Beautiful names" some of these are:
1) Allah

2) The Merciful

3) The Oft-Forgiving

4) The Sustainer

5) The Guardian

6) The Light

7) The All-Seeing

8) The All-Hearing

9) The All-Knowing

10) The Omnipotent

11) The Omnipresent

12) The One (uniquely)

etc.

 

There is a misconception that there are 99 names of Allah - in truth there are over 250 mentioned in the Quran alone.

Hope this helped. Peace!

 

Edit 2 - Further example of bible/quran...

Jesus greeted his followers with the phrase: "peace be with you".
This in hebrew is: SHALOM ALAIKOM
In Arabic it is how Muslims greet each other: SALAAM ALAIKUM. It means "peace be with you"

Edited April 2, 2021 by kninjahman

[InfiniteMe]

16 hours ago, kninjahman said:

Nope nope and nope.

Yehweh is not God's name - God's name was caused to become lost to the people of Israel because of there sins, they do not know the name of God, they only conjecture. 

 

Satan is a being created by God. 

God is ONE, He is Unique and He is the Creator of all things. 
He Created Good and Evil to test the human being.

Satan used to be high ranking - however, he believed his God-Given abilities were enough that he could be God when in reality only God can be God - to anyone else power corrupts. 

There has been prophets and messengers send to every people on this earth to confirm this, however there has also been enemys of those prophets and messengers who use fancy sayings in order to deceive. 

God is incomparably greater than anyone and anything and He alone is worthy of worship - we were created to worship Him and that is the basis of this test - He has warned us to not follow the devil for the devil is an open enemy to mankind. 

Peace! 

 

Edit: You will notice in the bible ONE LINE is never translated, it is left untranslated. It's what Jesus (peace be upon him) says while on the cross... ELLAH, ELLAH.... 

Hebrew and Arabic are a tad different - but hebrew is actually aramaic just in a special form. 
In Arabic God is called "Allah" which translates to "The God".
However it also makes clear that "to Allah belong the Most Beautiful names" some of these are:
1) Allah

2) The Merciful

3) The Oft-Forgiving

4) The Sustainer

5) The Guardian

6) The Light

7) The All-Seeing

8) The All-Hearing

9) The All-Knowing

10) The Omnipotent

11) The Omnipresent

12) The One (uniquely)

etc.

 

There is a misconception that there are 99 names of Allah - in truth there are over 250 mentioned in the Quran alone.

Hope this helped. Peace!

 

Edit 2 - Further example of bible/quran...

Jesus greeted his followers with the phrase: "peace be with you".
This in hebrew is: SHALOM ALAIKOM
In Arabic it is how Muslims greet each other: SALAAM ALAIKUM. It means "peace be with you"

According to David who has studied the Nature of all Gods/Deities Ancient and Modern, he has concluded they all have 3 things in common.

 

1. They are willing to Kill and Destroy. (In the case of Yahweh/Jehovah that includes humans and animals.

2. Imposition of numerous rules and regulations. Do's and Don'ts. Mostly thou shall not involving Yahweh.

3. Self-Obsession. "I am the Only God." "There is no one like me." "My name is Great" blah blah blah.

 

On the other had according to his advanced knowledge base, his "Knowing" the "Source of our Consciousness"

1. Has never killed or destroyed anyone or anything. The "Father does not judge anyone. There is no "Judgement Day."

At so-called "death" of the body a person's state of consciousness (the Frequency Level) determines which dimension they will inhabit. (Read Everything You Need to Know But Have Never Been Told.)

This Infinite One's most dominant quality is Love.

2. This "Eternal One" respects the "Universal Law of Free Will". The only rule is not to impose our will on anyone else.

3. Names are given to these Gods to differentiate them from each other Ra, Zeus, Yahweh etc. There are No Real Gods. The Eternal Father has no name. Does anyone call their earthly father by name.

This Loving Source of our life does not expect or desire to be worshipped.

What does this father want? -Your Love.

 

One last thought. According to David's extensive research - There is NO JESUS!

 

 

 

[kninjahman]

You seem to have a misconception about God.

He is the Creator and as such He does as He wills. Who are you or I to question? Do you know what is in the hearts and minds of individuals better than God? It is He who judges them. He is the one who knows the count of the leaves on the trees.... He is the one who knows the count of the grains of sand on the beach - what do you or I know?

If God wills to destroy a people: who are you or I to argue? We know nothing. He knows everything, and being the Creator, Designer, Maker, Sustainer of everything He is free to do as He wills.

People think God is bad or evil - it couldn't be further from the truth - He has given you food to eat: all the varieties and flavours for you to enjoy - little does man give thanks.

He has given you everything that you love or enjoy - and He commands in return only that you obey Him and not follow the devil or bow down to idols made of stone whom have no power - it your lack of understanding that is not serving you well here - you are arrogant and ungrateful without warrant. 

God Created you with and everybody else with the freedom to choose how to live your life - truth stands clear from falsehood - He has simply hidden Himself for the purposes of the test - and yet the short sighted see this as reason to dare to slander Him. Amazing - you quite literally owe Him your life and you choose instead to compare Him to the devil. Interesting. 

With friends like these... hey?

Peace.

 

So yeah.... God is the one whom commands you to live an upright, righteous life - He forbids evil and promotes all things good - He is testing you, He has no imaginable image (while we are in this test) and the devil is there to trick and deceive you. 

You owe God thanks for quite literally EVERYTHING - little does man reflect or give thanks - in fact man is so arrogant, considering most of us get out lived by simple trees, and we certainly didn't design or create this universe and all the perfect cycles and systems and laws within it. 

God Willing I've given you a fresh perspective to look at this from - and far as Jesus is concerned He is a mighty messenger and prophet by God's permission. 

Peace.

 

Edit - I recommend a video called "What is the purpose of life?" - by Khalid Yasin - watch it without pre-judging with an open-mind and let me know what you think, personally I think it's an excellent lecture. 

Edited April 4, 2021 by kninjahman

[Sea Sean]

On 4/2/2021 at 7:35 PM, kninjahman said:

Nope nope and nope.

Yehweh is not God's name - God's name was caused to become lost to the people of Israel because of there sins, they do not know the name of God, they only conjecture. 

 

Satan is a being created by God. 

God is ONE, He is Unique and He is the Creator of all things. 
He Created Good and Evil to test the human being.

Satan used to be high ranking - however, he believed his God-Given abilities were enough that he could be God when in reality only God can be God - to anyone else power corrupts. 

There has been prophets and messengers send to every people on this earth to confirm this, however there has also been enemys of those prophets and messengers who use fancy sayings in order to deceive. 

God is incomparably greater than anyone and anything and He alone is worthy of worship - we were created to worship Him and that is the basis of this test - He has warned us to not follow the devil for the devil is an open enemy to mankind. 

Peace! 

 

Edit: You will notice in the bible ONE LINE is never translated, it is left untranslated. It's what Jesus (peace be upon him) says while on the cross... ELLAH, ELLAH.... 

Hebrew and Arabic are a tad different - but hebrew is actually aramaic just in a special form. 
In Arabic God is called "Allah" which translates to "The God".
However it also makes clear that "to Allah belong the Most Beautiful names" some of these are:
1) Allah

2) The Merciful

3) The Oft-Forgiving

4) The Sustainer

5) The Guardian

6) The Light

7) The All-Seeing

8) The All-Hearing

9) The All-Knowing

10) The Omnipotent

11) The Omnipresent

12) The One (uniquely)

etc.

 

There is a misconception that there are 99 names of Allah - in truth there are over 250 mentioned in the Quran alone.

Hope this helped. Peace!

 

Edit 2 - Further example of bible/quran...

Jesus greeted his followers with the phrase: "peace be with you".
This in hebrew is: SHALOM ALAIKOM
In Arabic it is how Muslims greet each other: SALAAM ALAIKUM. It means "peace be with you"

Nope nope and definitely nope ....

[Maedros]

On 4/3/2021 at 1:25 PM, InfiniteMe said:

According to David who has studied the Nature of all Gods/Deities Ancient and Modern, he has concluded they all have 3 things in common.

 

1. They are willing to Kill and Destroy. (In the case of Yahweh/Jehovah that includes humans and animals.

2. Imposition of numerous rules and regulations. Do's and Don'ts. Mostly thou shall not involving Yahweh.

3. Self-Obsession. "I am the Only God." "There is no one like me." "My name is Great" blah blah blah.

 

On the other had according to his advanced knowledge base, his "Knowing" the "Source of our Consciousness"

1. Has never killed or destroyed anyone or anything. The "Father does not judge anyone. There is no "Judgement Day."

At so-called "death" of the body a person's state of consciousness (the Frequency Level) determines which dimension they will inhabit. (Read Everything You Need to Know But Have Never Been Told.)

This Infinite One's most dominant quality is Love.

2. This "Eternal One" respects the "Universal Law of Free Will". The only rule is not to impose our will on anyone else.

3. Names are given to these Gods to differentiate them from each other Ra, Zeus, Yahweh etc. There are No Real Gods. The Eternal Father has no name. Does anyone call their earthly father by name.

This Loving Source of our life does not expect or desire to be worshipped.

What does this father want? -Your Love.

 

One last thought. According to David's extensive research - There is NO JESUS!

 

 

 

Sounds very much like Thelema :

Basic Beliefs: The Great Work

Thelemites strive to ascend to higher states of existence, uniting oneself with higher powers, and understanding and embracing one's True Will, their ultimate purpose, and place in life.

The Law of Thelema

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." "Thou wilt" here means to live by one's own True Will.

 

"Every Man and Every Woman Is a Star."

Each person possesses unique talents, abilities, and potentials, and none should be impeded in seeking out their True Self.

"Love Is the law. Law Under will."

Each person is united with his True Will through love. Discovering is a process of understanding and unity, not force and coercion.

The Aeon of Horus

We live in the Age of Horus, child of Isis and Osiris, who represented the previous ages. The age of Isis was a time of matriarchy. The age of Osiris was a time of patriarchy with a religious emphasis on sacrifice. The age of Horus is an age of individualism, of the child Horus striking out on his own to learn and grow.

[Fluke]

I was listening to a speaker who theorised that Jehovah was a demon.

 

When Christianity swept the shores of Europa often through sheer might and destroyed paganism  and made the ancient god's and goddeses into demons and banished the non believers. 

 

This Jehovah demon in his view has come back but in the form of covid-19. A mind virus or mass possession.

 

I'm not knocking Christians and I think actually seeing the way the masses are, souless robots, we probably do need a religion even if it is Christianity. The human psyches need for religion is being furfilled via covid-19. A lot of Christians have realised the covidia has replaced their religion. 

 

 

[Human10]

Reading about connection of Jehovah's Witnesses with UN really makes me worried about their real God... 

Most religions have hands dirty of blood. We should appreciate humanism and nature... Where real God waits for us - and for sure he wouldn't care about our religion... If he is a real God... Not selfish idol... He made us this way so what would he expect? 

[Diesel]

I now don't believe Yahweh is Satan. But he is fighting evil and this has led to harsh judgements and wrath of god. I think beyond this dimension there is no evil and only love but whilst in this dimension of good and evil it is necessary for Yahweh to be judgmental.

Edited May 8, 2021 by Diesel

[theo102]

On 11/25/2020 at 11:36 AM, Diesel said:

I am convinced the God of this realm Yahweh is really Satan. Reading again the story of Genesis I think Yahweh is judgmental, insecure, jealous, vengeful, egotistic and tyrannical. He bears no relation to the God of Jesus who is unconditional love. I believe that we have been tricked into worshipping a false god and this world is a copy, an imitation of the real one where our true God resides. This is hell. 

Why then would Jesus endorse him indirectly by quoting his prophets?

 

[Thoth001]

Firstly let's look how the term Satan came into being:

 

How the Term "Satan" Originated

 

This Awareness indicates that in reality, there is no such being as Satan. It is simply a creation of man, and the energies associated with this as being created as the movement grows and the creation of such energies as a personification of such energies. Originally, Satan was nothing other than the planet Saturn in an astrological quality. It was the Egyptian Set, the Egyptian God known as Set, which represented Satan or Saturn; the Persians, instead of calling it Saturn or set, called the planet Satan, and personified the planet as though it were a person. This Awareness indicates that the Persians were the first to invent the personification of that which was called Satan. Later, the time being in approximately the mid part of the Christian Age, Western mystics, in studying various religions, latched on to the Persian teachings of Satan and brought into the Christian religion. Prior to that there was no Satan.

 

This Awareness indicates that it then led to modification in the biblical texts, and let to various types of change in the scriptures and attitudes and terminologies used in the teachings, so that instead of Saturn or Set, the terms for Satan became as though the entity were a person; that in this manner, a force was personified. This Awareness indicates that the personification of this force in modern times is such that entities are treating this personification, this creation, as though it were a real being, and are worshipping this force.

 

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/master_file/satanicconnection.htm

 

So clearly Yahweh can't be Satan.

 

I do think it is possible that Yahweh was Enlil...But there are many names for Yahweh also such as Jehovah, YHWH, Adonai and Yaldabaoth.

 

It has been shown that the Gnostics identified this imperfect demiurg-“god” with the god of the Old Testament, who they also called Yaldabaoth, who wants to keep humans in a state of ignorance in a material world and who punishes their attempts to achieve knowledge and insight (to “eat from the tree of knowledge”). 

 

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_jehovah11.htm#Who_is_Yahweh

[Thoth001]

On 5/21/2021 at 8:39 PM, theo102 said:

Why then would Jesus endorse him indirectly by quoting his prophets?

 

 

I think you must first understand who the writers of the NT were. They had to make the OT and NT fit together. Clearly it is men who wrote and put these books together. Not a God sitting in the clouds with a white beard.

[theo102]

On 5/23/2021 at 9:15 PM, Thoth001 said:

 

I think you must first understand who the writers of the NT were. 

 

What's your point? You're avoiding the issue of endorsement by prophecy.

 

[Truthspoon]

On 5/23/2021 at 1:15 PM, Thoth001 said:

 

I think you must first understand who the writers of the NT were. They had to make the OT and NT fit together. Clearly it is men who wrote and put these books together. Not a God sitting in the clouds with a white beard.

 

That's not correct. There was no such thing as 'the Bible' until the council of Nicea compiled the different books of the Bible in 325. 

[Thoth001]

3 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

 

That's not correct. There was no such thing as 'the Bible' until the council of Nicea compiled the different books of the Bible in 325. 

 

Yea, I meant the writers of the books, Clearly they are all different books put together in the Bible. And we know back then your normal peasant could not read or write. So it had to be entities in the Aristocracy that wrote these books. Not sure if you have heard of the Piso family.

 

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_piso.htm

[Thoth001]

4 hours ago, theo102 said:

 

What's your point? You're avoiding the issue of endorsement by prophecy.

 

What? Elaborate...

[Truthspoon]

1 hour ago, Thoth001 said:

 

Yea, I meant the writers of the books, Clearly they are all different books put together in the Bible. And we know back then your normal peasant could not read or write. So it had to be entities in the Aristocracy that wrote these books. Not sure if you have heard of the Piso family.

 

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_piso.htm

 

 

I've actually got quite an extensive knowledge of history and none of that Piso family stuff has any correberation.

 

The author doesn't even have a real name, there are no references or sources and no way to check any of this info. In short, it's bullshit and someone made it all up. It's flat-earth tier.

The smart question to ask is why would they do that?

 

Who hates Christianity and would love to see it destroyed completely? 

 

 

Edited June 19, 2021 by Truthspoon

[TheHammer]

Yahwah and Elohim belong to two different traditions, the northern and southern Israelite traditions. In one of them Abraham actually goes ahead with the sacririce of Isaac but this isnt the version we get in the bible.

 

The use of Lucifer in the old testament is a deliberate error.

 

Satan has eveolved over time into what we have now. In early times he was just an adversary who tested a persons strength. Later new testament writers elevated him to cosmic levels. Satan was also gradually turned from describing Israels enemies to a label applied to jews in various sects. Later in the new testament it was gradually eventually used to label anybody who didnt follow Jesus.

 

What you have to remember about the bible though is that its a document that gives political authority to the rulers. Its not the written word of God and its certainly not infallible. The jwiesh rulers cemented it after their exile in Babylon to try and forge a generic national identity.

[TheHammer]

11 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

 

I've actually got quite an extensive knowledge of history and none of that Piso family stuff has any correberation.

 

The author doesn't even have a real name, there are no references or sources and no way to check any of this info. In short, it's bullshit and someone made it all up. It's flat-earth tier.

The smart question to ask is why would they do that?

 

Who hates Christianity and would love to see it destroyed completely? 

 

 

Personally I see it as just another form of mythology.

[TheHammer]

On 5/8/2021 at 5:14 PM, Diesel said:

I now don't believe Yahweh is Satan. But he is fighting evil and this has led to harsh judgements and wrath of god. I think beyond this dimension there is no evil and only love but whilst in this dimension of good and evil it is necessary for Yahweh to be judgmental.

Doesnt fighting evil just make it grow? isnt this why jesus told people to turn the other cheek?

 

So do you think the laws of the bible must be adhered to in order to gain Gods grace?

[TheHammer]

On 1/18/2021 at 4:30 PM, Wayfaring Stranger said:

Two people reading the Bible and talking about is . The version you mention is a business that brings in a few $billion so you are right, they are not out to help people understand God. That is saved for the endless books being written that explains what the Bible is saying.

If the sheeple never catch on then puts then in the flock group rather than giving them an important task, like being a shepherd.  The Church is not gathered until the two witness have done their thing and then are raised from the grave. False version of the Bible tend to eliminate that part as it always messes up a false doctrine.

False versions of the bible? what are they?

[TheHammer]

On 1/18/2021 at 3:32 PM, Truthspoon said:

 

By whom?

 

I think in all honesty you would struggle to find someone who genuinely believed this and I could give you a hundred pieces of legislation which prove that Europe and America are no longer Christian, if they were truly were which I would also contest.

 

At best they can be considered countries whose origins were Christian, they are certainly no longer Christian countries because they are so obviously not ruled by Christians or run according to Christian precepts for the welfare of Christians and the people of the land.

 

They are FREEMASONIC countries ruled by Freemasons for Freemasons.  There is a vast difference.

 

Personally I cant see why that would be any worse if it were true.

[TheHammer]

On 1/18/2021 at 4:13 PM, Mr H said:

 

You do have to remember that it was written by a human...

Actually a collection of humans over a long period of time. The bible is an immense book of pseudographia but so many people, and powerful organisations, are heavily invested in it that they cant just see this truth. The people who think the bible is literally true are incapable of receiving truth. Its a document designed to control people through fear of divine punishment.

The new testament tries to shift this punishment to the next life. Therefore we dont see the powerful getting punished and have to hope its done after death. We are told not to improve out lot, to seek power and knowledge because we will suffer for it after death, when the fact is nobody can say for sure if this will happen. There are many incrdibly rich and powerful people out there who go to church, claim to be christians and yet they must be aware of these teachings about it best to be poor and humble, etc.