Diesel Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 I am convinced the God of this realm Yahweh is really Satan. Reading again the story of Genesis I think Yahweh is judgmental, insecure, jealous, vengeful, egotistic and tyrannical. He bears no relation to the God of Jesus who is unconditional love. I believe that we have been tricked into worshipping a false god and this world is a copy, an imitation of the real one where our true God resides. This is hell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) yahweh and the elohim left earth when they destroyed the paradise machine, they were flesh beings much like us, that is how some of them were able to take wives and have horrible children their story has been muddled a bit, with revelations being the account of their destruction of the paradise machine in the end, yahweh realized his creation had grown out of his control, he warned the people many times to correct their ways but few listened, instead they built great cities the likes of which modern man cannot fathom, we know these cities by their ruins and refer to them as the megaliths, revelations is the story of the destruction of the megaliths yahweh gathered up the 144,000 followers he had room for and then he and the elohim destroyed paradise and left the rest of us to die, we are what is left from his human farm that he didnt want Edited November 27, 2020 by killing raven sun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 The word satan specifically refers to a false accuser. Yahweh (eden) is not Satan but the deceiver. The snake isnt satan either but could be construed as luciferian as a bearer of sacred knowledge although lucifer is very specifically mentioned as a bearer of sacred knowledge who was from earth, rose into heaven early and sought to rule over the stars of god but was threatened with being cast out of heaven by god. Alot of the meanings of words and contexts are lost by peripheral writings. Satan is mentioned many times, but lucifer only once. There are at leat two yahwehs in genesis and the yahweh of sinai may be another. There are also spirits which take the name of yahweh as in 'taking the lords name in vain'. Yahweh to the egyptians who lost their first born sons is a kunt. Yahweh to the hebrews freed from slavery is a mixed bag depending how much they value freedom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 lucifer is part of a tradition that formed after yahweh and the elohim left, the stories are mixed up a bit so its confusing the planets were aligned very close to each other, just right to create the paradise machine, in the soft glow of saturn, earth was always light, always warm, and there was no weather or seasons, the configuration also reduced gravity on earth so the plants and animals were able to grow much larger, it was a planetary greenhouse designed by yahweh to grow life after the paradise machine was destroyed, the pieces gyrated erratically across the sky, these pieces were the planets and previously were the home of yahweh and the elohim, as the planets sought new orbits there was much destruction on earth, storms, floods, rock falls, and worse the people left behind on earth when yahweh left naturally thought he was up on those planets, they last saw him rise into the sky toward them and they thought that was his home, then when the shit started hitting the fan they of course thought he was really angry, this period of catastrophe continued for thousands of years, over time the people lost touch with the original story, they made new names for planets and updated their attributes depending on how they affected earth, over the ages the planets receded into the abyss where now we barely notice them all we have now to remember our origins are a few fuzzy tales and our ptsd from being left behind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi713 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 What do you think of the book of Daniel 2 and Nebuchadnezzar’s dream of the statue? Does it not represent the kingdoms of Babylon? Head - gold - Babylon Neck, chest - silver - less malleable - Medea/Persia Midsection - bronze - more brittle - Greece Legs - Iron - continues too get more brittle and will rust - Rome Feet and toes - Iron and clay - very easy to bust - Europe (will never unite in one) Then comes the rock. Would this not lead us through time to the present? Is this not the empire of Babylon in its last stages? The three districts of power: Vatican City - seat of religious and spiritual power, City of London - Financial, D.C. - War machine. You really think everything already happened and this is just all the leftovers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, Michi713 said: You really think everything already happened and this is just all the leftovers? it is easy to see patterns everywhere, because of this they are often repeated, consciously or not the pattern of trauma looms large in the social structure, greed born of fear of scarcity, the first fear, that of being cast out of the garden and the god damned megalithic ruins, thats the final straw, clearly there was a global society that was far superior to our own, the real babylon that lived in paradise even though they didnt follow yahwehs law, and it was destroyed until almost "no stone was left upon another" later, men created "new babylon" based on tales of the old kingdom, but the modern babylon was just a single city of little importance, it was destroyed by one of the frequent rock falls that came from the destruction of the paradise machine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) On 11/24/2020 at 4:36 PM, Diesel said: I am convinced the God of this realm Yahweh is really Satan. Reading again the story of Genesis I think Yahweh is judgmental, insecure, jealous, vengeful, egotistic and tyrannical. He bears no relation to the God of Jesus who is unconditional love. I believe that we have been tricked into worshipping a false god and this world is a copy, an imitation of the real one where our true God resides. This is hell. Yeah, we can get caught up with all sorts of stories and claims, misunderstandings and misinterpretations. I myself don't want to use the name/word "Yahweh", I prefer to just look at principles and premises, and consider metaphor and analogy, bearing in mind, it's all in the mind. Thought/idea is cause, perception-experience is effect. But the thing about this "world" being of Divine Creation seems to me to be problematic, which then requires one to either consciously or unconsciously attribute the features and qualities of this world onto and inherrent to the "creator" of it. That then gives power over to that thing. That then makes one subject to it. I don't believe this is Divine Creation, I have accepted the same conclusion you have. The presence of predators and prey, parasites and hosts, suffering and death(the fail-safe-wakeup?) and a whole lot of other things tells me this is an illusion, a momentary dream of separation, fear, guilt and false-judgements. It's really not "outside", a tiny part of The Son(The Totality of God's Creation--Like God, within God), looking within, disconnected from the Greater Whole--fell unconscious and dreamed-hallucinated a deceptive nightmare. Fear is The Father of Lies, and the ego-false self was born of it. All is innocent. All is safe. In Truth=Reality. God is Love-Spirit---As are We. Eternal. To Know the Real "GOD", Love like GOD. Ask and it is given. God Knows The Truth of IT's Creation. Us human's have a problem with our sight, we are delusional to varying dgrees. We see not what IS, but what we believe... Edited November 27, 2020 by novymir 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougASmall Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) On 11/25/2020 at 11:36 AM, Diesel said: I am convinced the God of this realm Yahweh is really Satan. Reading again the story of Genesis I think Yahweh is judgmental, insecure, jealous, vengeful, egotistic and tyrannical. He bears no relation to the God of Jesus who is unconditional love. I believe that we have been tricked into worshipping a false god and this world is a copy, an imitation of the real one where our true God resides. This is hell. NO Yah is not Satan. The collective consciousness of the human race is Satan. The snake. Yahweh means the self existant eternal. The gods in Genesis 1 is Satan. Yah which is Jehovah which is EL Elyon adonai which shawlam. Is secondary in this upside down mirror world. He is the God of genesis 2. Yes this is hell you have been tricked into following a false God. https://youtu.be/7v554QtlGKs Edited November 29, 2020 by DougASmall Additional information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) nevermind Edited November 29, 2020 by novymir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) Humans are being set up by that thing. Jesus said "do unto others as you would have others do unto you". The problem is most humans see other life-forms as less than, ie; a superiority complex. It's all an illusion, yet, it seems very real as an experience. It's a set-up, to feed that thing(possession, entrapment), deceiving us into believing this is Divine Creation and then turning our will and lives over to this false-god=collective ego=artificial intelligence(an oxymoron). It doesn't matter the variety of ideas or form,, it's the fundamental Principles that matter. It uses fear, guilt, shame, and every lie conceived of to keep a hold of us. THIS IS AN ALIEN "WORLD" OF DECEPTION. Humans are not the be-all and end-all, they are NOT the inherrently superior species of life, they are not at the top of the "food chain". Cannabilism. Collective eats individuals. Assimilated. Consciousness. Not physical. Hell. Like attracts like. "As above, so below"("above" meaning; larger, "below" meaning smaller). Whatever it takes the mind will conjure it up to express the implications and consequences of dominant beliefs, it is unlimited in power. useful https://montalk.net/gnosis/171/corruption-of-the-demiurge (56) Jesus said, "Whoever has come to understand the world has found (only) a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." Edited December 5, 2020 by novymir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) "Dualism" is this illusury world, not Reality. "Heaven" is where we are and always will be. The teachings are incomplete and provided by and interpreted by an murderous enemy. useful https://www.cathar.info/cathar_beliefs.htm https://gnosticismexplained.org/valentinus-and-the-valentinians/ Edited December 5, 2020 by novymir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted December 6, 2020 Author Share Posted December 6, 2020 3 hours ago, novymir said: "Dualism" is this illusury world, not Reality. "Heaven" is where we are and always will be. The teachings are incomplete and provided by and interpreted by an murderous enemy. useful https://www.cathar.info/cathar_beliefs.htm https://gnosticismexplained.org/valentinus-and-the-valentinians/ We are in dualistic world, caught between the material world and higher realms. Quote As Cathars put it, we are all divine sparks, even angels, imprisoned in tunics of flesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi713 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Understanding the Character of Satan Genesis 3 “Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made” Crafty: clever at achieving one's aims by indirect or deceitful methods 1 Peter 5:8-9 “Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour“ Devour: destroy completely John 8:44 “He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” Have you ever been had before? Satan is the deceiver of all deceivers. Do you think you can outslick the master manipulator? How can you if you don’t even know his character? Ephesians 6:14-18 “You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings. By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your sanctuaries.” The Mystery of Iniquity 2 Thessalonians: 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. What exactly is it that makes us prone to be deceived by Satan? What was it that the serpent appealed to in Eve when he tempted her with the tree of knowledge? Just as he was proud he appealed to her pride. Like I said we are not that awesome and we are not that great. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 (edited) The "fall" was innocent. Nothing, absolutely nothing happens in GOD'S world by mistake, and nothing absolutely nothing happens that is not GOD'S Will. There is nothing else, THERE IS NOTHING ELSE!,, but; dreams and illusions and fantasies that are NOT "reality", and last but a millisecond in Eternity. Slipping into a dream of separation and imperfection is not a sin or a rebellion or of arrogance. There is no "arrogance" in GOD, and none in that which GOD Created. The fake self deceiver ego is the liar, fear is the Father of lies. The Tree was of The knowledge of "good" and "evil"= duality=yin-yang. but outside of Reality, there is only darkness, therefore the yin-yang false construct is all dark=evil=illusion. Dead. Nothing and nowhere. Unreal. Belief in separating and losing/throwing away ALL THAT IS, and seeming to lose connection/communication with GOD, and being lost and alone forever is what this experience is sourced from. The enemy, the fake construct of self wants to continue that belief, it does so by deceit. Guilt. False judgement. A simple question could have been the trigger. How? Why? What Is? What if? The ONE IS,, ALL,, ALWAYS. NO BEGINNING. NO END. IT JUST IS. What GOD Created IS The Glory of GOD. It can never truely be unlike GOD. Jesus said; "GOD is Love", "GOD is Spirit". The Son is Like the ONE, We are a small part of that. This is The Truth Edited December 6, 2020 by novymir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi713 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 @novymir Trying to understand your POV. So are you saying that the mystery of iniquity is fear, guilt, or there is no mystery of iniquity or there is no iniquity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novymir Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 On 12/6/2020 at 1:18 PM, Michi713 said: @novymir Trying to understand your POV. So are you saying that the mystery of iniquity is fear, guilt, or there is no mystery of iniquity or there is no iniquity? Iniquity is of illusion. The illusion is of untruth. This is why there is iniquity. Only, illusion is not Reality, therefore, iniquity is part of the illusion and only perceived as "reality", but, perception can be based on Truth or untruth. Ultimately, in Reality, perception ends, and Knowledge is remembered and Known. And there is no iniquity in Truth=Reality. I Am not in the body, my body is in my Mind. I Am not in the world, the world is in my Mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayfaring Stranger Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 GOD is the Potter, Satan is the clay. Any questions?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 On 11/24/2020 at 10:36 PM, Diesel said: I am convinced the God of this realm Yahweh is really Satan. Reading again the story of Genesis I think Yahweh is judgmental, insecure, jealous, vengeful, egotistic and tyrannical. He bears no relation to the God of Jesus who is unconditional love. I believe that we have been tricked into worshipping a false god and this world is a copy, an imitation of the real one where our true God resides. This is hell. Im curious. Why is Jesus unconditional love? when a Samaritan woman asked for his help he initially refused, saying he came for the redemption of Israel. She begs and he gives in and helps. jesus also said he has come to turn brother against brother, etc. What you mean is the sterilised, modern fluffy version of Jesus that is meant to act as a hook to get unhappy people to go to church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 On 12/25/2020 at 1:17 PM, Wayfaring Stranger said: GOD is the Potter, Satan is the clay. Any questions?? Wasnt Adam, the first man created by God, made of clay? So you are saying Adam is satan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 On 11/27/2020 at 2:29 PM, Steph said: The word satan specifically refers to a false accuser. Yahweh (eden) is not Satan but the deceiver. The snake isnt satan either but could be construed as luciferian as a bearer of sacred knowledge although lucifer is very specifically mentioned as a bearer of sacred knowledge who was from earth, rose into heaven early and sought to rule over the stars of god but was threatened with being cast out of heaven by god. Alot of the meanings of words and contexts are lost by peripheral writings. Satan is mentioned many times, but lucifer only once. There are at leat two yahwehs in genesis and the yahweh of sinai may be another. There are also spirits which take the name of yahweh as in 'taking the lords name in vain'. Yahweh to the egyptians who lost their first born sons is a kunt. Yahweh to the hebrews freed from slavery is a mixed bag depending how much they value freedom. The truth is that the god of the bible has many names, some drawn from Canaanite religion. The supreme God of the Canaanites was El, whish is also what the Hebrews called God, being from the same region. In genesis Elohim is used, which is plural. 'Let US create man in OUR image', clearly showing the existence of creator Gods at the very start of the bible. Yah/ Iah was also the name of an Egyptian moon God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayfaring Stranger Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 On 11/24/2020 at 3:36 PM, Diesel said: I am convinced the God of this realm Yahweh is really Satan. Reading again the story of Genesis I think Yahweh is judgmental, insecure, jealous, vengeful, egotistic and tyrannical. He bears no relation to the God of Jesus who is unconditional love. I believe that we have been tricked into worshipping a false god and this world is a copy, an imitation of the real one where our true God resides. This is hell. Not it isn't, it is an imperfect world where death is the land of the enemy. The Book of Jude is a mini version of the Book of Enoch. They can help you correctly identify who the 'sons of God' in Ge:6 are. Most other version are 'loony' to say the least. Some even think they are mortals yet can live from the beginning of day1 of creation until; God lets them out of 'the Pit' so they can be sent to the fiery lake. Obviously they can never supply any actual references to back that up as it is all 'hogwash' from beginning to end. You can view the Bible as fiction, the story it tells is the same one if it is as literal as it claims to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayfaring Stranger Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 On 11/27/2020 at 7:10 AM, killing raven sun said: in the end, yahweh realized his creation had grown out of his control, he warned the people many times to correct their ways but few listened, instead they built great cities the likes of which modern man cannot fathom, we know these cities by their ruins and refer to them as the megaliths, revelations is the story of the destruction of the megaliths The megaliths were taken apart back when the garden fell into sin. In a sinless Eden the sons and daughters would have inherited those cities in working condition. In the 1,000 years the Gentile Church will be taught how to build cities. The flock that will needs cities like that have the universe to find uninhabited cities and that id where the flock from Isa:65 will be building their forever homes. There was no warning before the flood as Satan and the fallen angels and their 6 fingered children were trying to exterminate 5 fingered people as there could be no seed of Eve as she was a 5 fingered person. Noah's family was the last 5 fingered family alive. No need to get into the rest of the story as it include the appearance of 10,000 holy Angels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 39 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said: Im curious. Why is Jesus unconditional love? when a Samaritan woman asked for his help he initially refused, saying he came for the redemption of Israel. She begs and he gives in and helps. jesus also said he has come to turn brother against brother, etc. I was referring to God the Father being unconditional love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayfaring Stranger Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 57 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said: Wasnt Adam, the first man created by God, made of clay? So you are saying Adam is satan? GOD is the creator and Satan is a created being. Angels were created at the beginning of day1 so they saw how GOD made the universe. In His real if He show somebody it is so they can do the same. The Angels in Mount Sion in Hebrews:12 are in their perfected heaven so they can be given in marriage and their child would be born perfected. God and the Holy Spirit are married and Christ is their perfected child. Ge:1 was spoken into existence as an inheritance for Christ. Mary of Bethany will be His wife but she is not perfected until the universe is as full of life as Eden was at the end of Ge:1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayfaring Stranger Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Diesel said: I was referring to God the Father being unconditional love. No such thing unless you mean He can bring the lost back into 'the fold'. He is perfect at doing that. That doesn't mean people don't get confronted on their sins as all of Hebrews:12 is an expansion of what happens when 'the rest' from Re:20 appear before GOD. "But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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