Renewables Can't Power Modern Civilization

[itsnotallrightjack]

This article gets to the crux of it: renewable sources of energy cannot power modern highly populated countries. Any government who thinks that they can are in cloud cuckoo land. 

 

Here are some paragraphs from an article that I found interesting: 

 

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The Reason Renewables Can't Power Modern Civilization Is Because They Were Never Meant To.

 

Over the last decade, journalists have held up Germany’s renewables energy transition, the Energiewende, as an environmental model for the world. 

 

“Many poor countries, once intent on building coal-fired power plants to bring electricity to their people, are discussing whether they might leapfrog the fossil age and build clean grids from the outset,” thanks to the Energiewende, wrote a New York Times reporter in 2014.

 

With Germany as inspiration, the United Nations and World Bank poured billions into renewables like wind, solar, and hydro in developing nations like Kenya.

 

But then, last year, Germany was forced to acknowledge that it had to delay its phase-out of coal, and would not meet its 2020 greenhouse gas reduction commitments. It announced plans to bulldoze an ancient church and forest in order to get at the coal underneath it.

 

After renewables investors and advocates, including Al Gore and Greenpeace, criticized Germany, journalists came to the country’s defense. “Germany has fallen short of its emission targets in part because its targets were so ambitious,” one of them argued last summer.

 

“If the rest of the world made just half Germany’s effort, the future for our planet would look less bleak,” she wrote. “So Germany, don’t give up. And also: Thank you.”

 

But Germany didn’t just fall short of its climate targets. Its emissions have flat-lined since 2009.

 

Der Spiegel cites a recent estimate that it would cost Germany “€3.4 trillion ($3.8 trillion),” or seven times more than it spent from 2000 to 2025, to increase solar and wind three to five-fold by 2050.

Between 2000 and 2019, Germany grew renewables from 7% to 35% of its electricity. And as much of Germany's renewable electricity comes from biomass, which scientists view as polluting and environmentally degrading, as from solar.

 

Of the 7,700 new kilometers of transmission lines needed, only 8% have been built, while large-scale electricity storage remains inefficient and expensive. “A large part of the energy used is lost,” the reporters note of a much-hyped hydrogen gas project, “and the efficiency is below 40%... No viable business model can be developed from this.”

 

All of which raises a question: if renewables can’t cheaply power Germany, one of the richest and most technologically advanced countries in the world, how could a developing nation like Kenya ever expect them to allow it to “leapfrog” fossil fuels?

 

The earliest and most sophisticated 20th Century case for renewables came from a German who is widely considered the most influential philosopher of the 20th Century, Martin Heidegger.

In his 1954 essay, “The Question Concerning of Technology,” Heidegger condemned the view of nature as a mere resource for human consumption.

 

The use of “modern technology,” he wrote, “puts to nature the unreasonable demand that it supply energy which can be extracted and stored as such… Air is now set upon to yield nitrogen, the earth to yield ore, ore to yield uranium…to yield atomic energy.”

 

The solution, Heidegger argued, was to yoke human society and its economy to unreliable energy flows. He even condemned hydro-electric dams, for dominating the natural environment, and praised windmills because they “do not unlock energy in order to store it.”

 

These weren’t just aesthetic preferences. Windmills have traditionally been useful to farmers whereas large dams have allowed poor agrarian societies to industrialize.

 

In the US, Heidegger’s views were picked up by renewable energy advocates. Barry Commoner in 1969 argued that a transition to renewables was needed to bring modern civilization "into harmony with the ecosphere."

 

The goal of renewables was to turn modern industrial societies back into agrarian ones, argued Murray Bookchin in his 1962 book, Our Synthetic Environment.

 

Bookchin admitted his proposal "conjures up an image of cultural isolation and social stagnation, of a journey backward in history to the agrarian societies of the medieval and ancient worlds."

 

But then, starting around the year 2000, renewables started to gain a high-tech luster. Governments and private investors poured $2 trillion into solar and wind and related infrastructure, creating the impression that renewables were profitable aside from subsidies.

 

Entrepreneurs like Elon Musk proclaimed that a rich, high-energy civilization could be powered by cheap solar panels and electric cars. Journalists reported breathlessly on the cost declines in batteries, imagining a tipping point at which conventional electricity utilities would be “disrupted.”

 

But no amount of marketing could change the poor physics of resource-intensive and land-intensive renewables. Solar farms take 450 times more land than nuclear plants, and wind farms take 700 times more land than natural gas wells, to produce the same amount of energy.

 

Opposition to renewables comes from the country peoples that Heidegger idolized as more authentic and “grounded” than urbane cosmopolitan elites who fetishize their solar roofs and Teslas as signs of virtue.

 

Many Germans will, like Der Spiegel, claim the renewables transition was merely “botched,” but it wasn't. The transition to renewables was doomed because modern industrial people, no matter how Romantic they are, do not want to return to pre-modern life.

 

The reason renewables can’t power modern civilization is because they were never meant to. One interesting question is why anybody ever thought they could. 

 

 

Full article here:  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/05/06/the-reason-renewables-cant-power-modern-civilization-is-because-they-were-never-meant-to/

 

So "The Great Reset" with its plans for hi tech "smart cities" all run on electricity ( they plan to get rid of gas don't you know!), with all these  gadgets, "smart homes" and   electric vehicles all powered by "renewables" so they can be 100%  "carbon neutral" are science fiction. 

 

Maybe we shouldn't be worrying about it. China has "smart cities" but they are not powered by renewables! 

 

They'd have to send us all back to the 18th century to be solely dependent on renewables. That was the realisation back in the 1980s and why people back then were sceptical and critical of the "green movement." I remember that well. "Extinction Rebellion" know it- and even have said so! They'd love us all  living like 18th century villagers.

 

It would of course be a pseudo 18th century: meaning you'd get a supply of power in the mornings to have a shower and breakfast. It'd be shut off for the afternoon, coming on about 5pm in time for you to cook you dinner ( you can have a sandwich for lunch), wash up, wash a bit of clothes and then go off at 7pm. Then you'd just have to go to bed if it was dark outside.

 

Of course that is life for the "plebs"- the elite will have their own private sources of power and continue to live in fine 21st century style. 

 

 

[magu]

It would of course be a pseudo 18th century: meaning you'd get a supply of power in the mornings to have a shower and breakfast. It'd be shut off for the afternoon, coming on about 5pm in time for you to cook you dinner ( you can have a sandwich for lunch), wash up, wash a bit of clothes and then go off at 7pm. Then you'd just have to go to bed if it was dark outside.

 

 

 

The exact reasons smart meters are being so aggresively introduced....and it can be done down to an individual level -no need to turn the power out for a whole street for instance....just turn it out for those who haven't had the vaccine or those who perhaps watch too much tv

[rideforever]

Environmental agendas serve a purpose by making the young generations feel guilty and ashamed of living, always heaping out vegetables from their rucksacks -without any bags- and tutting if you let the faucet run ... 

They have become enslaved in self hatred, such is the evil that has been inflicted on them.

So they are the only species on the planet who lives always hating itself.

And various degenerate sub groups in our society ... have invented an economic sector based on teling people they are wrong, the ngo.

[Grumpy Owl]

On 11/16/2020 at 4:12 PM, itsnotallrightjack said:

They'd have to send us all back to the 18th century to be solely dependent on renewables. That was the realisation back in the 1980s and why people back then were sceptical and critical of the "green movement." I remember that well. "Extinction Rebellion" know it- and even have said so! They'd love us all  living like 18th century villagers.

 

It would of course be a pseudo 18th century: meaning you'd get a supply of power in the mornings to have a shower and breakfast. It'd be shut off for the afternoon, coming on about 5pm in time for you to cook you dinner ( you can have a sandwich for lunch), wash up, wash a bit of clothes and then go off at 7pm. Then you'd just have to go to bed if it was dark outside.

 

Did you ever watch the BBC series "The Tripods" (based on the books of the same name)? That pretty much describes the 'future' that XR are striving for...

 

I do believe that the 'elites' already have knowledge of 'free-energy technology' (not from solar, wind or water power) and that this is all a charade - there will be plenty of energy available, but they need to keep us all hoodwinked into believing we need to 'pay' for our electricity, which is all they're really interested in, making a profit.

[magu]

Have you ever wondered why wind is so popular .....i'm quite pro wind but more of that later but i'm genuinely interested to hear why people think its so popular ?

[serpentine]

On 11/18/2020 at 7:41 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

 

Did you ever watch the BBC series "The Tripods" (based on the books of the same name)?

 

 

 

Lots of "bad actors" around then as there are now.  One to avoid.

 

 

[magu]

7 hours ago, serpentine said:

 

Lots of "bad actors" around then as there are now.  One to avoid.

 

 

Really i must have missed a gem...but you dont want to talk about windpower ?...its a genuine question and im pro wind because i used to build the fucking things but i'll leave you to your paranoia and i'd best go got to report to my commanding officer at 7 a.m for a full report on antivaxcovid denial on the David Icke forum...give your head a wobble you (unt

[serpentine]

5 hours ago, magu said:

Really i must have missed a gem...but you dont want to talk about windpower ?...its a genuine question and im pro wind because i used to build the fucking things but i'll leave you to your paranoia and i'd best go got to report to my commanding officer at 7 a.m for a full report on antivaxcovid denial on the David Icke forum...give your head a wobble you (unt

 

 

The double entendre of "bad actors". allows me to come back and say I was definitely watching the other channel.

 

"Alternative energy" get's put into context by Jack.

 

 

 

Edited November 25, 2020 by serpentine

[eddy64]

its all about load balancing plus just how much energy is stored in fossil fuels ( a lot).  only way to replace fossil fuels is to go nuclear afaik.

 

 

 

[Nobby Noboddy]

On 11/25/2020 at 6:58 AM, magu said:

Really i must have missed a gem...but you dont want to talk about windpower ?...its a genuine question and im pro wind because i used to build the fucking things but i'll leave you to your paranoia and i'd best go got to report to my commanding officer at 7 a.m for a full report on antivaxcovid denial on the David Icke forum...give your head a wobble you (unt

yeah wind turbines are brilliant.

 

Apart from being bird-chopping eyesores they present a unique recycling opportunity...

 

[rideforever]

Electric Cars, Renewables, the Fucking Environment ... it's all wank.  It's just another totalitarian fear control mechanism.

The result is always the same, slavery to unelected c***s who claim they know better, stealing your life from you.

Viruses, Vaccination, Global Warming, Rainbow it's all the goddam same.

Demons ... these people have sold their soul to the devil and want to drag you in.

Many brave people in the past including Socrates just said no even if it meant death.

This world is full of a sickly people

[itsnotallrightjack]

On 11/16/2020 at 4:36 PM, magu said:

It would of course be a pseudo 18th century: meaning you'd get a supply of power in the mornings to have a shower and breakfast. It'd be shut off for the afternoon, coming on about 5pm in time for you to cook you dinner ( you can have a sandwich for lunch), wash up, wash a bit of clothes and then go off at 7pm. Then you'd just have to go to bed if it was dark outside.

 

 

 

The exact reasons smart meters are being so aggresively introduced....and it can be done down to an individual level -no need to turn the power out for a whole street for instance....just turn it out for those who haven't had the vaccine or those who perhaps watch too much tv

 

Yes they could use them for that. I confess I have got one because I'm on a pre payment meter. I tried being with "green" energy companies on direct debit but the bills were extortionate and I'm a low user.  They have a habit of quoting you a reasonable amount when you join and the reality is they charge you double. So I went back to Utilita. 

Edited December 2, 2020 by itsnotallrightjack

[itsnotallrightjack]

On 11/16/2020 at 5:01 PM, rideforever said:

Environmental agendas serve a purpose by making the young generations feel guilty and ashamed of living, always heaping out vegetables from their rucksacks -without any bags- and tutting if you let the faucet run ... 

They have become enslaved in self hatred, such is the evil that has been inflicted on them.

So they are the only species on the planet who lives always hating itself.

And various degenerate sub groups in our society ... have invented an economic sector based on teling people they are wrong, the ngo.

 

Right you are mate; playing who is the most virtuous whilst looking scornfully at people who lived in the twentieth century who worked hard, "made do and mend", owned far little possessions etc. 

[itsnotallrightjack]

On 11/18/2020 at 7:41 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

 

Did you ever watch the BBC series "The Tripods" (based on the books of the same name)? That pretty much describes the 'future' that XR are striving for...

 

I do believe that the 'elites' already have knowledge of 'free-energy technology' (not from solar, wind or water power) and that this is all a charade - there will be plenty of energy available, but they need to keep us all hoodwinked into believing we need to 'pay' for our electricity, which is all they're really interested in, making a profit.

 

No not seen that series. Well maybe they do. I remember seeing David giving a talk about that back in Cardiff in the early 1990s. I was passing a book shop and saw a notice in the window that he was going to be there giving a talk, and it was only an hour off that he was going to be there, so I went in and had a cup of coffee and  then went in the area where the chairs had been set up for his talk. I wish I could remember what he said at the time, but I found it interesting. I think he might have mentioned Nikola Tesla. 

[itsnotallrightjack]

On 11/24/2020 at 5:33 PM, magu said:

Have you ever wondered why wind is so popular .....i'm quite pro wind but more of that later but i'm genuinely interested to hear why people think its so popular ?

 

Cos they are full of hot air mate. 

[itsnotallrightjack]

On 11/25/2020 at 6:58 AM, magu said:

Really i must have missed a gem...but you dont want to talk about windpower ?...its a genuine question and im pro wind because i used to build the fucking things but i'll leave you to your paranoia and i'd best go got to report to my commanding officer at 7 a.m for a full report on antivaxcovid denial on the David Icke forum...give your head a wobble you (unt

 

They are allright on a small scale but they can't power a whole country. 

[itsnotallrightjack]

On 11/25/2020 at 4:06 PM, eddy64 said:

its all about load balancing plus just how much energy is stored in fossil fuels ( a lot).  only way to replace fossil fuels is to go nuclear afaik.

 

 

 

 

True but the green brigade won't allow that will they.

[DarianF]

3 minutes ago, itsnotallrightjack said:

 

No not seen that series. Well maybe they do. I remember seeing David giving a talk about that back in Cardiff in the early 1990s. I was passing a book shop and saw a notice in the window that he was going to be there giving a talk, and it was only an hour off that he was going to be there, so I went in and had a cup of coffee and  then went in the area where the chairs had been set up for his talk. I wish I could remember what he said at the time, but I found it interesting. I think he might have mentioned Nikola Tesla. 

 

I'm sure David has mentioned Tesla in his talks a few times. If I come across a mention, I'll let you know.

[itsnotallrightjack]

Just now, DarianF said:

 

I'm sure David has mentioned Tesla in his talks a few times. If I come across a mention, I'll let you know.

 

Thanks Darian. I wish I'd taken notes now of David's talk!

[DarianF]

1 minute ago, itsnotallrightjack said:

 

Thanks Darian. I wish I'd taken notes now of David's talk!

 

I saw him live only once, in Australia. He was awesome.

[DarianF]

32 minutes ago, itsnotallrightjack said:

 

Thanks Darian. I wish I'd taken notes now of David's talk!

 

PS. Not sure if you've seen this one, but it's a good:

 

[Macnamara]

renewables don't need to power modern civilisation

 

they only need to provide power for a drastically reduced human population

 

all you need to achieve this is a mass global roll out of a health and fertility destroying bioweapon, injected into the general public

[rideforever]

4 hours ago, itsnotallrightjack said:

True but the green brigade won't allow that will they.

 

Agendas are the new God.  Sodomy, the Environment.  Money.   These are now the Gods that people worship.

 

Rather than God the Source of all that exists, which has been attacked ...by who?  By those very same people.

What will be the result of people worshipping agendas of the material world rather than the Origin?

Stepping back you see that human being are in grave decline.

 

[DarianF]

On 12/2/2020 at 11:59 AM, itsnotallrightjack said:

 

No not seen that series. Well maybe they do. I remember seeing David giving a talk about that back in Cardiff in the early 1990s. I was passing a book shop and saw a notice in the window that he was going to be there giving a talk, and it was only an hour off that he was going to be there, so I went in and had a cup of coffee and  then went in the area where the chairs had been set up for his talk. I wish I could remember what he said at the time, but I found it interesting. I think he might have mentioned Nikola Tesla. 

 

@itsnotallrightjack I just found this one. FYI:

 

 

[itsnotallrightjack]

On 12/2/2020 at 1:36 AM, DarianF said:

 

PS. Not sure if you've seen this one, but it's a good:

 

 

Not sure mate. I'll give David a watch later!