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Shit..  Er.... Why ?  (asking for a friend)   

If you go full tinfoil hat on someone their eyes will glaze over and you can see the cogs behind them start to turn to the tune of: 'this guys a conspiracy theorist nutjob'   So its better t

So got to work today. Boss was beaming, so happy. Pharmacies are going to be required to do twice weekly new lick 15min tests. Marvelous they are, much better than last ones apparently. Looks like all

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4 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

some quotes i've been tucking away:

 

Use common law: ‘i do not consent’ and ‘i do not contract with you’ etc

 

However, compulsory vaccination violates the right to informed consent, one of the most fundamental ethics in medicine and a human right recognized under international law, including the United Nations International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights of 1966, the Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights of 2005, the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities and its Optional Protocol of 2006 and under internationally recognized agreements such as the Council for International Organizations of Medical Sciences International Ethical Guidelines for Biomedical Research Involving Human Subjects of 2002, and the World Medical Association Declaration Of Helsinki of 1964, revised in 2013. The United Nations (UN) and WHO are legally obligated to uphold the right to informed consent yet have instead been complicit in violating it.

https://www.technocracy.news/the-un-ignores-ngos-warnings-about-mandated-vaccines/

 

If this is correct, then it takes a massive dump on the Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights (Article 6 – Consent), which reads, "Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice" [ http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html ]

 

Neither the Coronavirus Act 2020, nor the PHA 1984 grant the executive the power to mandate vaccination. Indeed, section 45E of the PHA 1984 and schedules 7518 and 19 of the Coronavirus Act 2020 rule out provisions requiring medical treatment, including ‘vaccination or other prophylactic treatment’.14A policy of compulsory vaccination would thus require primary legislation. All you need to do is keep an eye on this part of the Public Health 1984 act. If it ever changes then there is an issue!

  https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/22/section/45E

 

  45EMedical treatment

(1)Regulations under section 45B or 45C may not include provision requiring a person to undergo medical treatment.

(2) “ Medical treatment ” includes vaccination and other prophylactic treatment.

The Magna Carta Article 61 states the right to reject what is put upon us. It begins, "Lawful Dissent provides for a simple recourse for the People." Not, "Do not demonstrate or we will teargas, shoot or crucify you." The common law It is very clear: people are allowed to voice their dissent. Rules in Article 61 were made for the people not for the rulers. Citizens have, "The Right to refuse to abide by any Law, Legislation, or other Statutory instrument which has been put in place invalidly by said unlawful government which violates any Constitutional safeguard."

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lawful-obstruction-is-given-right-through-the-guaranteed-freedoms-of-magna-carta-article-61-301166669.html

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the ammo brother, that's what I'm talking about! Out of likes.

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1 hour ago, The Illuminator said:

Thanks for the ammo brother, that's what I'm talking about! Out of likes.

 

Print them off and have a hard copy to show to the doctor. He is then faced with a stark choice about whether he wants to respect established human rights or not

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20 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

Print them off and have a hard copy to show to the doctor. He is then faced with a stark choice about whether he wants to respect established human rights or not

 

Haha already done mate. Same wavelength.

 

Most of us on here are for same reason.

 

I do miss my normie regular haunt though. 

 

But that place is too far gone and full of shills. I cant be arsed pissing in the wind anymore. Wasted energy.

 

Rather spend it here with my bredrin 

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5 minutes ago, The Illuminator said:

But that place is too far gone and full of shills. I cant be arsed pissing in the wind anymore. Wasted energy.

 

Rather spend it here with my bredrin 

 

it'll help keep ya sane!

 

safety in numbers. Now we just need to grow the sane population who are not going to stand for this insanity

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Just now, Macnamara said:

 

it'll help keep ya sane!

 

safety in numbers. Now we just need to grow the sane population who are not going to stand for this insanity

 

True mate.

 

But it's so mentally and physically draining. I've been awoke for 20 year. But this is 1st time I'm keeping quiet relatively. Normally I'd be up in arms and shouting from rooftops. But now I'm respected member of local village who come to me for medical advice. I can't go full tinfoil. But I've made sure every 859 flu jabs I've done had at least one truth bomb smacked in their face 😂😂😂

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23 minutes ago, The Illuminator said:

 

True mate.

 

But it's so mentally and physically draining. I've been awoke for 20 year. But this is 1st time I'm keeping quiet relatively. Normally I'd be up in arms and shouting from rooftops. But now I'm respected member of local village who come to me for medical advice. I can't go full tinfoil. But I've made sure every 859 flu jabs I've done had at least one truth bomb smacked in their face 😂😂😂

 

Was there not any way you could have said `` this wont hurt one bit`` ... touch the needle to the skin and used a little wipe in a motion that suggests you have given it?  lol....

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I think regarding the vaccine a wise person could be able to avoid it

 

if it came down to it I’d try simple stuff like changing my doctors, I’m kind of registered at two anyway, one near my house, one near my mums, id tell both doctors I had it at the other one, doctors are usually quite arrogant, they don’t care enough to check, the receptionists are usually too busy or would get confused anyway 

 

Same with work, if I had to I’d change jobs and say I had it at the last place etc, no work place I’ve ever worked at would care enough to check

 

even tell the doctors I had it at work and work I had it at the doctors, give them a headache, so long as it’s not costing them money they won’t csre 

 

i do think it may be difficult regarding holidays etc but there’ll be ways around that too 

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54 minutes ago, Liam3880 said:

I think regarding the vaccine a wise person could be able to avoid it ...

simple stuff like changing my doctors, I’m kind of registered at two anyway

 

 

I think your right .... Try registering with an Asian or recent immigrant  doctor ... they come from a culture which is use to doing things under the table ...

 

Tell him.... "I'm really not happy about taking this vaccine , would you be prepared to sign the paper anyway .. I realize you put yourself at some risk doing this and am happy to compensate you ... What would be a reasonable sum? I've brought a $100 cash with me , would that be enough?  " 

 

If he says no ... doctor/patient  confidentiality , he cannot turn you in ... if he does , your word against his ....anyway what they gonna do ??? 

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22 hours ago, The Illuminator said:

So got to work today. Boss was beaming, so happy. Pharmacies are going to be required to do twice weekly new lick 15min tests. Marvelous they are, much better than last ones apparently. Looks like all pharmacy staff will be required to vaccinate too. Anyone know much about the innova lateral flow test device?

 

https://www.pharmacymagazine.co.uk/all-pharmacy-staff-to-be-tested-twice-a-week-for-covid-19

 

Not sure what I can do. Unless I change professions. Everybody was right, they'll not make it mandatory but make it impossible for you to carry on normally if you dont have it.

 

How the fuck have they got this new method vaccine ready so quick?

 

 

 

If you are in England (or the UK), then you can simply refuse to have the vaccine.

 

No employment contract can force you to take a medical intervention as it would contravene Human Rights legislation to which the UK is a part of.

 

All you need to do is state in writing that you do not wish to have any such vaccine or other medical, intervention. You do not need to state why.

 

If your employer insists on it, threatens you with dismissal, or takes any form of disciplinary action against you, including dismissal, then you would have a case for Unfair Dismissal (as long as you had at least 2 years service) or Constructive Dismissal (where you resign your post due to the employer's behaviour).

 

My sister is currently having a similar battle with wearing face masks at work (she is exempt, but her employer told her she cannot come to work without wearing it).

 

We got legal advice, plus advice from ACAS, and they have reassured her that no employer can force a medical intervention upon their employees as part of their employment.

 

My advice to you is to purchase a reliable covert recording device (which can last all day, or at least the length of your shift) and record everything at work (just so you can catch any coercion or other illegal behaviour).

 

Covertly recorded information is admissible at employment tribunals, and gives you the 4 aces in hand if you should need them.

 

Give me a DM if you need further assistance, or if you prefer I can counsel further on the public boards so others have a few more tools, to fight this sort of behaviour from their employer.

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9 hours ago, Beaujangles said:

Can anyone shed some light on why many claim the Magna Carta is no longer valid ?

 

Same reason why they tell people Common Law is inferior to statutes: it is a lie.

 

Ultimately, we only need abide by Common Law, which is the law upon which all agreed to be bound by through giving consent.

 

No government, monarch or other individual or organisation can set any rule which compels another to do something.

 

Common Law is supreme, and statutes are inferior and do not apply.

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11 hours ago, Beaujangles said:

 

Was there not any way you could have said `` this wont hurt one bit`` ... touch the needle to the skin and used a little wipe in a motion that suggests you have given it?  lol....

🤣😂 I suppose I could have. But these flu jabs have been in the making for a while and tested properly. Not even going into whether they are worth while or not. But if the patient wanted it I could not professionally do what you suggest. Most of the people I've jabbed have commented they didn't even feel it. "I've had loads of practice" lol.

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2 hours ago, CitizenX said:

 

If you are in England (or the UK), then you can simply refuse to have the vaccine.

 

No employment contract can force you to take a medical intervention as it would contravene Human Rights legislation to which the UK is a part of.

 

All you need to do is state in writing that you do not wish to have any such vaccine or other medical, intervention. You do not need to state why.

 

If your employer insists on it, threatens you with dismissal, or takes any form of disciplinary action against you, including dismissal, then you would have a case for Unfair Dismissal (as long as you had at least 2 years service) or Constructive Dismissal (where you resign your post due to the employer's behaviour).

 

My sister is currently having a similar battle with wearing face masks at work (she is exempt, but her employer told her she cannot come to work without wearing it).

 

We got legal advice, plus advice from ACAS, and they have reassured her that no employer can force a medical intervention upon their employees as part of their employment.

 

My advice to you is to purchase a reliable covert recording device (which can last all day, or at least the length of your shift) and record everything at work (just so you can catch any coercion or other illegal behaviour).

 

Covertly recorded information is admissible at employment tribunals, and gives you the 4 aces in hand if you should need them.

 

Give me a DM if you need further assistance, or if you prefer I can counsel further on the public boards so others have a few more tools, to fight this sort of behaviour from their employer.

 

Thanks for that mate.

 

I've been here a year. The current employer is not a massive covid idiot but goes along with the consensus. We only started wearing visors on 24/7. Before then we just had those big plastic screens up. No masks, no visors.

 

My concern is if they make it that you can only work on "frontline" if you've had the jab. I hope it doesnt come to that.

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21 minutes ago, The Illuminator said:

 

Thanks for that mate.

 

I've been here a year. The current employer is not a massive covid idiot but goes along with the consensus. We only started wearing visors on 24/7. Before then we just had those big plastic screens up. No masks, no visors.

 

My concern is if they make it that you can only work on "frontline" if you've had the jab. I hope it doesnt come to that.

 

You're welcome.

 

Under employment law, they cannot force you to accept a change in your working conditions. If they literally said "you cannot work here unless you have the jab" then you have grounds for Constructive Dismissal and would receive a relatively tasty payout (which increases with the length of time you are subsequently out of work).

 

Under Human Rights law, no person or organisation can force another person to consent to medical treatment, so you would be covered there too (and again receive appropriate compensation, damages and costs etc) as long as you cited your Human Rights prior to resigning for the Constructive Dismissal claim.

 

I strongly suggest you contact ACAS or an employment/human rights solicitor. They would be able to advise you further on specifics, but as it stands your employer cannot force it upon you.

 

Hope that helps alleviate some worry for you?

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6 hours ago, oz93666 said:

 

I think your right .... Try registering with an Asian or recent immigrant  doctor ... they come from a culture which is use to doing things under the table ...

 

Tell him.... "I'm really not happy about taking this vaccine , would you be prepared to sign the paper anyway .. I realize you put yourself at some risk doing this and am happy to compensate you ... What would be a reasonable sum? I've brought a $100 cash with me , would that be enough?  " 

 

If he says no ... doctor/patient  confidentiality , he cannot turn you in ... if he does , your word against his ....anyway what they gonna do ??? 

 

😂🤣😂 I'll not comment on the slight Oz mate. Even though you might be correct regarding that particular stereotype. In my experience green is a persuading factor not what colour of skin the one eyed person chasing the cash is.

 

I've been brought up correct by my parents. Chasing the money is devils work. I've been offered all kinds to sell my soul. But I've never wavered once. I like sleeping too much 🤣😂😂

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12 minutes ago, CitizenX said:

 

You're welcome.

 

Under employment law, they cannot force you to accept a change in your working conditions. If they literally said "you cannot work here unless you have the jab" then you have grounds for Constructive Dismissal and would receive a relatively tasty payout (which increases with the length of time you are subsequently out of work).

 

Under Human Rights law, no person or organisation can force another person to consent to medical treatment, so you would be covered there too (and again receive appropriate compensation, damages and costs etc) as long as you cited your Human Rights prior to resigning for the Constructive Dismissal claim.

 

I strongly suggest you contact ACAS or an employment/human rights solicitor. They would be able to advise you further on specifics, but as it stands your employer cannot force it upon you.

 

Hope that helps alleviate some worry for you?

 

It certainly does. Thankyou. Job security has never been an issue. I'm fortunate enough to find work whenever I've needed. Just this job is soooooo convenient. I would hate to leave because I wouldn't take the knee. 

 

I'm on a rolling self employed locum contract at the moment. Will become permanent as soon as I sell my business which I'm contracted to work 1 week a month in. 

 

So if I don't take a jab the owner might say not renewing your contract next month. He seems spot on and wouldn't do that. But I'm not 100% sure.

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7 hours ago, Liam3880 said:

I think regarding the vaccine a wise person could be able to avoid it

 

if it came down to it I’d try simple stuff like changing my doctors, I’m kind of registered at two anyway, one near my house, one near my mums, id tell both doctors I had it at the other one, doctors are usually quite arrogant, they don’t care enough to check, the receptionists are usually too busy or would get confused anyway 

 

Same with work, if I had to I’d change jobs and say I had it at the last place etc, no work place I’ve ever worked at would care enough to check

 

even tell the doctors I had it at work and work I had it at the doctors, give them a headache, so long as it’s not costing them money they won’t csre 

 

i do think it may be difficult regarding holidays etc but there’ll be ways around that too 

I think you're right mate. 

 

That's why it's so important to resist and deride id cards. We've got NI Card, passport, drivers licence. We dont need another. Especially not no bloody biometric health one.

 

Thats the biggest fight imo. We lose that battle then were fucked.

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On 11/11/2020 at 2:09 PM, Macnamara said:

Then we'll see the real face of fascism. The gloves will come off and the state will start getting rough and force vaccinating people

 

They're too smart for that.  I think it is much more likely that they will make it officially compulsory and, as you say, pull all the levers to cajole, coerce and persuade, but when it boils down to it, they don't need to enforce it down to the last man.  They don't really care about people like us.  They know there's a hardcore of dissenters and they will have done the calculations and decided that, when it comes to the crunch, as long the PR is handled correctly, they'll be maybe a few hundred thousand of us, at the most.  That's tiny.  Why waste the resources on us?  They'll select out a few of us to make an example of, so as to scare Joe and Mandy Blow who have IQs of 100.  But otherwise, they'll just ignore us, maybe even create exemptions from the vaccine to allow us to escape it.

 

They're not aiming this at people who come on forums like this.  They know we're a lost cause already.  Cost/benefit does not add up for them, other than picking out two or three of us to make examples of for social media 'truthers'.

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18 hours ago, Basket Case said:

Er.... Why ? 

(asking for a friend)

 

If you go full tinfoil hat on someone their eyes will glaze over and you can see the cogs behind them start to turn to the tune of: 'this guys a conspiracy theorist nutjob'

 

So its better to drop just one solid truthbomb and then move the conversation along to more normal territory unless of course they want you to discuss the topic. That way you plant the seed and let it grow by itself

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3 hours ago, Ecki Divad said:

Why waste the resources on us?  They'll select out a few of us to make an example of, so as to scare Joe and Mandy Blow who have IQs of 100.  But otherwise, they'll just ignore us, maybe even create exemptions from the vaccine to allow us to escape it.

 

They're not aiming this at people who come on forums like this.  They know we're a lost cause already.  Cost/benefit does not add up for them, other than picking out two or three of us to make examples of for social media 'truthers'.

 

The term for what you are doing there in economics is 'wishful non thinking'

 

I don't think you really understand the mentality of the people we are dealing with here. They are compulsive control freaks. They don't intend to let anyone off the hook

 

If you think that you can just hunker down and stay below the radar you are kidding yourself. Better to face reality and make a stand alongside everyone else while you still can

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9 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

The term for what you are doing there in economics is 'wishful non thinking'

 

I don't think you really understand the mentality of the people we are dealing with here. They are compulsive control freaks. They don't intend to let anyone off the hook

 

If you think that you can just hunker down and stay below the radar you are kidding yourself. Better to face reality and make a stand alongside everyone else while you still can

 

Then why don't they insist that I always wear a mask when other people do?

 

I'd rather you didn't try to initiate a discussion by insulting me and talking down to me in a condescending way. Please don't presume to tell me what I do or don't understand.  It's not that I'm overly-sensitive, but I'm a mature man with quite a lot of experience.  I'm not a school kid in your geography class.  

 

Please engage with me in a collegiate way.  I'm not saying I am perfect in the way I speak to people - I'm only human like you - but I do try and engage with people as peers, rather than talking down to people and presuming what others do and don't understand.  I am not a fucking retard.

 

Now, let me explain where I am coming from - again.

 

It could be that they will try and make me have a vaccination against my will.  I really don't know.  It's not as if I have a crystal ball and it's not as if there's anything I can do about it, if they decide to try.  But my point is that is that it probably won't happen that way because it's not logistically and economically and tactically sensible for them to enforce it to the very nth of the nth.  Past experience suggests that there are normally ways round compulsory things and exemptions are quietly granted for people, like us, who dissent, mainly because the authorities regard us as a nuisance minority and not really a threat to them.

 

Now, I could be wrong about this, but I'm not relying on this in any of my actions.  Like everybody else, I have to take each day as it comes and see where this goes.  If they do try to force me, then it becomes a question of how this 'force' is applied.  I will resist to the last.

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