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 This is not a thread to debate whether or not there is a God or shit on one another, okay?

 

Descriptions of God found that have meaning to you, not just from the Bible. 
 

Isaiah 40:6-8

 

All flesh is grass,
And all its loveliness is like the flower of the field.
The grass withers, the flower fades,
Because the breath of the Lord blows upon it;
Surely the people are grass.
The grass withers, the flower fades,
But the word of our God stands forever.
 
Isaiah 40:11-28
 
He will feed His flock like a shepherd;
He will gather the lambs with His arm,
And carry them in His bosom,
And gently lead those who are with young.

12Who has measured the waters in the hollow of His hand,
Measured heaven with a span
And calculated the dust of the earth in a measure?
Weighed the mountains in scales
And the hills in a balance?
 
13Who has directed the Spirit of the Lord,
Or as His counselor has taught Him?
 
14With whom did He take counsel, and who instructed Him,
And taught Him in the path of justice?
Who taught Him knowledge,
And showed Him the way of understanding?
 
15Behold, the nations are as a drop in a bucket,
And are counted as the small dust on the scales;
Look, He lifts up the isles as a very little thing.
 
16And Lebanon is not sufficient to burn,
Nor its beasts sufficient for a burnt offering.
 
17All nations before Him are as nothing,
And they are counted by Him less than nothing and worthless.
 
18To whom then will you liken God?
Or what likeness will you compare to Him?
 
19The workman molds an image,
The goldsmith overspreads it with gold,
And the silversmith casts silver chains.
 
20Whoever is too impoverished for such a contribution
Chooses a tree that will not rot;
He seeks for himself a skillful workman
To prepare a carved image that will not totter.
 
21Have you not known?
Have you not heard?
Has it not been told you from the beginning?
Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?
 
22It  is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
 
23He brings the princes to nothing;
He makes the judges of the earth useless.
 
24Scarcely shall they be planted,
Scarcely shall they be sown,
Scarcely shall their stock take root in the earth,
When He will also blow on them,
And they will wither,
And the whirlwind will take them away like stubble.
 
25“To whom then will you liken Me,
Or to  whom shall I be equal?” says the Holy One.
 
26Lift up your eyes on high,
And see who has created these things,
Who brings out their host by number;
He calls them all by name,
By the greatness of His might
And the strength of His power;
Not one is missing.
 
27Why do you say, O Jacob,
And speak, O Israel:
“My way is hidden from the Lord,
And my just claim is passed over by my God”?
 
28Have you not known?
Have you not heard?
The everlasting God, the Lord,
The Creator of the ends of the earth,
Neither faints nor is weary.
His understanding is unsearchable.
 
 
 

 

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From The Shvetashvatara Upanishad:

 

VI

 

1The learned say life is self-created; 

Others say life evolved from time.  In truth

The Lord brought the cosmos out of himself.

 

2He is pure consciousness, omnipresent, 

Omnipotent, omniscient, creator

Of time and master of the three gunas.

Evolution takes place at his command.

 

5Know him to be the primal source of life

Whose glory permeates the universe, 

Who is beyond time and space, yet can be 

Seen within the heart of meditation.

 

6Know him beyond the tree of life, 

Whose power makes all the planets revolve:

Who is both law and mercy, yet can be 

Seen within the heart in meditation.

 

7Know him to be the supreme Lord of lords, 

King of kings, God of gods, ruler of all, 

8Without action or organs of action, 

Whose powers seen in myriad ways.

 

9Know him to be the cause without a cause,

Without a second, parent or master.

10May he, Lord of Love, who hides himself 

In his creatures like a spider in its web, 

Grant us illumination.

 

11The Lord is hidden in the hearts of all.

The eternal witness, pure consciousness, 

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The reach of the gunas.

 

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Is God cruel?  I don’t think so.
 

1 Peter 5:10

 “And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.“

 

EzeKiel 33:11

“Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?” 


 

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I have seen many many things on this world, many people, I have heard their voices.

It comes to nothing, it is going nowhere.

The only thing I don't know is what happens if I commit totally to God, if I merge with God, if I follow God, not in words or ideas or idealogies or stacks of books ... but if I myself merge with God, if I am taught by God.

That I do not know.

Everything else will fail.

Not just one prayer, or one good wish, not just a small effort ... but, slowly merging and deepening and letting go ... until nothing is left outside.

That I do not know.

Few people do this, but why not do it?
Do I have the right not to do it?
There were those who merged so deeply that powers shone from them.

Is that possible for me?

Everything in this world will come to an end.

Except the endless, only that I do not know.

 

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Even a scientist, upon pondering the celestial and earthly conditions necessary to make human life possible, has some idea that we are rare and unique beings. 

 

The forces behind the mechanization of humanity have made various attempts to undermine humanity’s specialness, and reassign our status to beneath the animals. 

 

The only thing standing in the way of complete dehumanization of our species is the idea that we can have a meaningful relationship with God.  

 

What is our originally intended relationship with God?  How does He regard us?

 

Matthew 10:29-31

 

“Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? And one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.”

 

And how should we regard Him? 

 

The Shvetashvatara Upanishad

 

13 “Love the Lord and be free.”

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On 11/8/2020 at 6:04 AM, Michi713 said:

Is God cruel?  I don’t think so.
 

1 Peter 5:10

 “And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.“

hmm, if this is gods world, and he allows suffering to occur as a part of this salvation plan, do you not see that as cruel?

 

if you put a mans head in a noose, he will profess any allegiance neccessary to save his neck

 

the only kind of god that would do that is a dickhead god

 

12 hours ago, Michi713 said:

The only thing standing in the way of complete dehumanization of our species is the idea that we can have a meaningful relationship with God.  

close. the only thing separating us from the animals is our ability to form a personal relationship with the intuition and avoid suffering

 

the idea of having a meaningful relationship with god is worthless, the actual relationship is all that matters

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Bird Boy.... Wake up....where do you think you are?

 

We are living on a planet with a relatively low powered sun (no offence my love) in one of the darkest corners of the western spiral arms of the milky way at the very limit of the possible zone of star creation......

 

We are a long way from God.

 

If you want to know and see God, you have to do a bit of work...... namely recognise the presence of God and its manifestation on earth...

 

Problem with atheists..... they think God is like a pizza delivery chain or something.....

 

How about you learn to make your own pizzas?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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If you start a new job and you discover that the people in the office are a bunch of miserable bastards who refuse to make any effort and spend their time blaming others for their own stupidity ... it is indeed difficult to see a point to the world.  There is no point at all and no God.

Is that God's doing ?

Well clearly he "allows" such things to happen.

An interesting thing is that many difficult things are actually very joyful and meaningful, like climbing a mountain, yes it may be gruelling but you don't regret it at all.  In the climb or at the summit.   So difficulty is not a problem.

But ... "people" get into a funk of misery and it stinks up the joint.

That negativity exudes a poisonous energy ... and then you can regret being alive.

Humans somehow are specialists in this poison.

 

Why is Brighton a shithole?  Is that fair?  Well perhaps it's good that all the shit is concentrated in one place, then at least other places will be clean.

The amount of "light" there is depends on your level in the tower ... the higher up the more light.   Lower down it's not so great and humans are lower down now than previously.


Unless you are actually merged with God ... it's just not good.  The goal is to be merged to the point where you can distinctly feel your identity being "not of the body", permanently and continuously.  You have to feel yourself double ... here is my human person ... and here is my 'emptiness' person ... my being outside of the physical body.   You should be able to choose to be inside it where it is quiet.

If you can do that then just practice dropping the physical body. 

This is the kind of state a spiritual/religious person is intended to reach.

Words don't mean shit.

 

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55 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

a relatively low powered sun

wrong. you people(religious wannabes) need to learn up about the electric universe(plasma cosmology), as soon as you do you will realize you have been led astray by the devil(ignorance) and are doing his bidding(see: the secret of the knowledge of good and evil)

 

55 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

at the very limit of the possible zone of star creation......

this kind of ignorance makes me lol

 

55 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

We are a long way from God.

this kind of ignorance makes me weep

 

there is no such thing as "distance" when discussing our connection to the divine

 

instead, your master(the devil) has made you believe you are separated so you will endure any suffering he asks before you can be reunited

 

you are quite literally a devil worshipper and coming on the internets to tell people they arent connected to god is the definition of evil

 

55 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

If you want to know and see God, you have to do a bit of work...... namely recognise the presence of God and its manifestation on earth...

here you have stumbled on the truth, sorta, notice how your explanation of reuniting with god does not involve suffering, just sayin

 

55 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

Problem with atheists..... they think God is like a pizza delivery chain or something.....

 

How about you learn to make your own pizzas?

this is just goofy, and wrong, the correct analogy is that god definitely makes the pizza, and if you want some you just need to ask

 

you make it sound as if you think you can become the pizza maker, become god, lol as fuck

 

btw, i make a damn good pizza

 

start with organic flour and spring water

let the dough sit in the fridge for at least six hours

make pizza sauce from fresh ingredients if possible

only organic in any case

cook the pizza in a pizza oven

mine is gas but wood works just as good

the important factor is the stone hearth

lastly, cook fast at 600 degrees fahrenheit minimum

up to about 900 at highest

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25 minutes ago, rideforever said:

But ... "people" get into a funk of misery and it stinks up the joint.

That negativity exudes a poisonous energy ... and then you can regret being alive.

Humans somehow are specialists in this poison.

maybe because you think you must suffer to please god, how fucked up is that?

 

26 minutes ago, rideforever said:

Unless you are actually merged with God ... it's just not good.  The goal is to be merged to the point where you can distinctly feel your identity being "not of the body", permanently and continuously.  You have to feel yourself double ... here is my human person ... and here is my 'emptiness' person ... my being outside of the physical body.   You should be able to choose to be inside it where it is quiet.

this is really messed up, firstly, we are already merged with god, all life is, there can be no other way

 

second, an 'emptyness' person? are you kidding? you are simply describing 'death', you know, its a place "outside the physical body" where "inside it... it is quiet"

 

30 minutes ago, rideforever said:

If you can do that then just practice dropping the physical body. 

This is the kind of state a spiritual/religious person is intended to reach.

Words don't mean shit.

 

your words certainly shouldnt mean anything, but they do, they betray you as a death cult member, and you are trying to recruit living beings into your death plan, "just practice dropping the physical body", that is a nice way of saying "learn to kill yourself"

 

why dont you use positive words and imagery to uplift and empower your readers?

maybe learn that life isnt just suffering for god until you die, learn that nature shows the way we can all bloom into beautiful flowers and produce seeds of life for future souls to enjoy, and in that process there is the lesson on how to elevate your spirit to enjoy even more of the universe than just the earth

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Another interesting thing is ... because this entire world is quite low down the ladder, in order to live well there are many requirements to be kept.  Only by making a lot of effort will life work well.  Otherwise it will spiral out of control.

This is the reason for all the commandments and regulations from spiritual teachers.

It is the nature of this world, to make it run straight requires a lot of effort.

Because it is rare for the people of this world to do the effort the world spirals through the four ages from Golden Age to the Kali Yuga.

 

'We' are in this world precisely because it matches our own personal level.

If the world is shit it means we are shit.

To be born here is not a compliment.

And to get out you have to go up the ladder of being.  

It is up to you.   Even if the whole world is evil, you must turn to the Light.

Then you would be reborn in a higher world.

 

So there are no injustices.

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Oh hey lots to catch up on in here. 😃

 

The hero movies

 

Like Gladiator where the strength of the protagonist comes from himself alone.  Driven by revenge or honor of some ancestor or king, he does amazing feats on his own steam, always triumphing over the enemy.  

 

This is another lie fed to boys and, lately, girls that they can do spectacular things on their own volition.  They do not need God to give them strength in adversity and do not realize when God has blessed them when there is no adversity.  

 

So they grow up with this and many other falsehoods in their minds and they fall prey. 

 

A godless life is like a house left without a protector in the middle of a war.  The enemy comes into the house, ransacks the place, steals, kills, and defiles everything that is of value in the house.  

 

Whoever survives the attack is left broken and scarred, with PTSD or dead inside.  

 

Lost.  

 

The thing about being lost is you don’t know it, otherwise you wouldn’t be lost.  

You may fool yourself that you are just fine, thriving even, on your own strength, but that strength will eventually, inevitably run out. 

 

And without help from a higher source, you will die lost, scarred, fed off of as prey to the demonic forces.  

 

And never having found the real treasures that are hidden on this earth. 

 

I believe they are hidden in certain ancient texts.  I believe they are in some people as well.  Where do you find them? 
 

Anyway, carry on the debate see y’all later. 🙂

 

 

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I believe this is hell. For all the good deeds you can do in the world we are all guaranteed the following:

1.All that we know will wither and die

2.We will loose everything we love

3.We all face death

Quite simply we have been dealt a rigged hand. I think we are here to learn and to grow. God is there but this is not his realm.

Our goal is to ascend or we repeat the experience again.

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Why does God xyz?  If God does a. then why does he do b. and not c. (or what I believe he should do)?
 

Is it impossible to find out?
 

Isaiah 55:8-9

 

“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,

Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.

For as the heavens are higher than the earth,

So are My ways higher than your ways,

And My thoughts than your thoughts.”
 

But maybe some answers can be found after all.

 

Letter of Paul to the Colossians 2:2-3 

 

“God’s mystery, that is, Christ himself, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.”

 

I do not pretend to have definite answers to questions such as why is there suffering, etc.  

 

Going back to the garden of Eden, the snake and the forbidden fruit, it could be that God wanted his people to have free will and choose to love and obey Him.  They chose against God and suffered inevitable consequences. 
 

Yet I still believe God is not cruel.  Adam and Eve did get expelled from the garden, but He also clothed them and put an enmity between Satan and the woman and between his seed and her seed. 
 


 

 

 

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I do not believe in an anthropomorphised God, clearly because this couldn't be God but an image of God which people have created.

 

We have to be careful with the Bible because their vision of God is largely an anthropomorphised version of some of the properties and principles of God.

 

Since this is a thread asking 'who is God?' I will just give you my brief opinion.

 

God permanently resides in full splendor of power and oneness, in the 4th dimension (not time, but time is a property of the 4dimensional shape of the universe experienced in 3d, there seems to be a lot of confusion on this issue in the scientific community).

 

God is the sum total of light and energy, all of which is connected in the 4th dimension which is where our minds 'reside', although our bodies cannot, they are limited to material 3d reality. God is the 'base state' of the 4 dimensional quantum realm from which everything in this universe emanates. 

 

This is why God has to be sought here, although God is all present in matter and creation in the form of energy and light, it is mixed with darkness (ie separation, matter).

 

My investigation indicate that LIGHT is the one thing in this universe which is eternal and transcends the limitations of the material world.

 

Studies of consciousness indicate that consciousness is an electro-magnetic phenomenon and the human brain serves only to channel this consciousness not create it.

 

Jesus pointed out the fallacy that the brain and body could create consciousness many years ago:

 

 

 Jesus said: If the flesh came into existence because of the spirit, it is a marvel. But if the spirit (came into existence) because of the body, it is a marvel of marvels. But as for me, I wonder at this, how this great wealth made its home in this poverty.

 

 

 

Gospel of Thomas Saying 29

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13 hours ago, Michi713 said:

 Going back to the garden of Eden, the snake and the forbidden fruit, it could be that God wanted his people to have free will and choose to love and obey Him.  They chose against God and suffered inevitable consequences. 

lol, how psycho is that? "if you dont choose to serve me i will make you suffer"

 

so god just created mankind because he needed worshippers, because egomaniac i guess, and those that exercised their god given free will were punished because god has a self esteem problem

 

got it

 

13 hours ago, Michi713 said:

Yet I still believe God is not cruel.  Adam and Eve did get expelled from the garden, but He also clothed them and put an enmity between Satan and the woman and between his seed and her seed. 

wow, making excuses for gods ill treatment of his own creation

 

fyi, adam and eve made their own clothes after realizing they were "naked"

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9 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

We have to be careful with the Bible because their vision of God is largely an anthropomorphised version of some of the properties and principles of God.

 

 

oh, so you dont think the bible is the "word of god"?

 

and what about that anthropomorphised god of the bible? who wrote that? were they describing a real being that was here on earth? if so, what was that all about and where did he and his minions go?

 

9 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

God permanently resides in full splendor of power and oneness, in the 4th dimension (not time, but time is a property of the 4dimensional shape of the universe experienced in 3d, there seems to be a lot of confusion on this issue in the scientific community).

 

 

wow, but there are no such things as dimensions, so theres that, and why would god live in just one under the rules of "time"? there is certainly a lot of confusion going around

 

9 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

God is the sum total of light and energy, all of which is connected in the 4th dimension which is where our minds 'reside', although our bodies cannot, they are limited to material 3d reality. God is the 'base state' of the 4 dimensional quantum realm from which everything in this universe emanates. 

 

 

you have reduced god to a lifeless latent force, might as well throw out the whole concept of "god" at this point

 

9 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

This is why God has to be sought here, although God is all present in matter and creation in the form of energy and light, it is mixed with darkness (ie separation, matter).

darkness doesnt exist, it is the nonperception of light, an illusion, the universe is made entirely of light

 

10 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

My investigation indicate that LIGHT is the one thing in this universe which is eternal and transcends the limitations of the material world.

 

 

light is not eternal and there is nothing to trancscend, the material world is the domain of light and being infinite the material has no limitations

 

everything is always happening forever

 

10 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

Studies of consciousness indicate that consciousness is an electro-magnetic phenomenon and the human brain serves only to channel this consciousness not create it.

close enough, except the whole body is an antenna for Mind energy, that is why it is important to be healthy in mind and body

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27 minutes ago, killing raven sun said:

 

 

you have reduced god to a lifeless latent force, might as well throw out the whole concept of "god" at this point

 

 

 

No I haven't.

 

Your mind and consciousness is composed of electrons and photons.....are you a lifeless latent force? 

 

The mistake you are making is that you can only imagine life and consciousness as a material phenomenon...

 

I tried to explain it to you with the Jesus quote but it seemed it went over your head.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

No I haven't.

 

Your mind and consciousness is composed of electrons and photons.....are you a lifeless latent force? 

 

11 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

God is the sum total of light and energy, all of which is connected in the 4th dimension which is where our minds 'reside', although our bodies cannot, they are limited to material 3d reality. God is the 'base state' of the 4 dimensional quantum realm from which everything in this universe emanates. 

 

 

your fourth dimension house of god sure sounds like a latent archetype, you even use the phrase 'base state' from which everything "emanates" which is the very definition of a latent force

 

40 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

The mistake you are making is that you can only imagine life and consciousness as a material phenomenon...

this assertion is based entirely on poor reading comprehension, try looking up the definitions of words sometime

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24 minutes ago, Michi713 said:

Good morning folks. 
 

@killing raven sun

 

You are thinking of Genesis 3:7

“They knew they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made loin coverings.”

 

Then...

Genesis 3:21

“And the Lord made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.”

yeah, those are contradictory arent they? makes you wonder whats been changed or deleted from the original texts, maybe the bible is just another poorly written story

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9 minutes ago, killing raven sun said:

yeah, those are contradictory arent they? makes you wonder whats been changed or deleted from the original texts, maybe the bible is just another poorly written story

 

I think the point is that the fig leaves were a temporary solution to their nakedness. They couldn't very well go around in fig leaves for long could they before their clothes fell apart. The permanent solution was for the Lord to make garments for them......

 

I don't particularly take the story literally, although it is odd that human civilisation and the first cities arose in the specific area in which the garden of Eden was located.....

 

I find it very odd.

 

There is SOMETHING to this story..... some nugget or kernel of truth.......

 

 

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