The fall of human relationships

[Firebird]

2 hours ago, allymisfit said:

I actually wouldn't mind a 3d printed hooosey hehe. Might be cheaper than what's going around these days 

 

I don't like it. It just means more jobs will be lost. We'll end up with a society of engineer elites and masses of people that are no longer relevant. That is not a healthy society. We need thinkers AND builders.

[TheAwakened]

Yes thats the thing. We'll have masses of people are akin to wild animals. The underclass earning peanuts from their "Universal basic income" I'll be horriric...

[rideforever]

There is a great illusion that society is the machinery of society.

Whereas it is actually the inner state of the human beings in that society.

The inner state of the current people is bleak, they are dumb, stupid, they aim always for the lowest cheapest simplest.

Robotics just encourages them.

As they sit on the sofa consuming "content" they are literally degenerating.  They are dying.

And society is dying with them.

Perhaps one day some aliens will land and find a dead robotic society with bones in stasis tubes.

But more likely the degeneration of human beings will accelerate with many masturbatory fantasies of utopia associated ... which masks the grave decline.

People no longer wish to have sex.  Wish no anybody.   Wish to anything.   They are stupider, happy to live in a vat.

Some have high IQ as they process endless content in a soulless way.

The masking will continue and suddenly implosion, overnight society will breakdown the financial system .... a debt wall, and slide into the sea.   I think this is unavoidable actually.

Pilots ... they have trays in front of them now to place their ipad.   They don't even plan their own routes these days, an app does it for them.

What kind of people wish to ... do nothing?  Know nothing?  To be replaced?

To get excited about "free time" ... for what?

This is evil, a suicidal lying insincere people.

And the mental health cancer corona ... it does not come from nowhere.

It is one long slide into ... not even death.

Humans can't even get it up to kill each other any more.

It is a disgrace against life to be like this.

It is just low.

Animals ...?   Animals would never ever live like this, even amongst them it is a disgrace.

Anyway .... die today or die tomorrow, everyone in this world dies unless somehow they reached the other side.

Edited November 9, 2020 by rideforever

[Macnamara]

13 hours ago, allymisfit said:

I actually wouldn't mind a 3d printed hooosey hehe. Might be cheaper than what's going around these days 

 

Problem is it puts people out of work

 

Also if everything is built by machines it won't have the life that only a craftsperson can breathe into it. Then the world just become a sterile and standardised place

[allymisfit]

9 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

Problem is it puts people out of work

 

Also if everything is built by machines it won't have the life that only a craftsperson can breathe into it. Then the world just become a sterile and standardised place

Unfortunately this is where we are already. New houses are practically flat packed and ready to put up. 

There will always be jobs in construction, even if machines are used. 

Someone needs to operate the machinery, prepare the ground, work the mechanics etc.. 

 

If you can afford to build your own, that would be far better :)

But financially speaking and difficulty buying and stuck on renting, the above option will be very beneficial to many. 

However, I do not believe in everything changing to AI function. :) 

[Firebird]

1 hour ago, allymisfit said:

There will always be jobs in construction, even if machines are used. 

Someone needs to operate the machinery, prepare the ground, work the mechanics etc.. 

 

One engineer can do the work of tens/hundreds of workers. Therein lies the problem.

We're sleepwalking towards technocracy.

Edited November 10, 2020 by Firebird

[rideforever]

On 11/10/2020 at 9:39 AM, Firebird said:

technocracy

 

I don't think it will be a technocracy.

As the humans no longer do things ... they become very unhappy and society falls.  Most likely some vat matrix is what's coming except that as it is not actually possible to plug human brains in ... either the vat people will either be basically dead in some coma state or there will be 3d masks and colanders on the head plugged into an AI simulation ... and the body constantly injected with antibiotics.
Preventing people from living normally degenerates them ... it's like mice in a cage, they all get very sick.  In order to manage that scientists manufacture them so that they are identitcal and they have short life spans and live in a bad state.   That is where we are going.
The more people are prevented from living normally the worse they will get.
The way politics is dealing with this is to invent new "sexualities" (meaning personalities that misuse the sexual energy of the organism like a parasite) to entertain the unhappy people with.  These new "sexualities" and other agendas ... they provide a shallow sense of "doing something" whilst the world closes in to total control.

But on the other hand ... this is happening mostly in the West due to its loss of confidence and the betrayal of Western culture from within from blaggards in Islington, which are a degenerate and parasitical part of the society.

 

One interesting thing is that although Western people have the sense of "we have got everything what now" ... this does not actually come from having everything.   It comes from having far less.

Instead of solid  oak beds they have chipboard plus advertising.   They don't have real freedom they have "freedom" ... it's all phoney.   They don't have the environment they have the "environmental movement".

Somewhere along the line these new trends are damaging the sensitivity of people to feel.

As they don't feel subtle things ... large chunks of the culture die, no customers, nobody reads anything.

Even when "running" most people are thinking of their techo computer on their arm.

As people's sensitivity dies ... they conclude they have everything.

Well, they have everything that they can feel after dulling their senses.

 

Edited November 10, 2020 by rideforever

[Macnamara]

2 hours ago, allymisfit said:

Unfortunately this is where we are already. New houses are practically flat packed and ready to put up. 

There will always be jobs in construction, even if machines are used. 

 

The more machines are used the less jobs there will be and the more deskilled the workers will become. Unemployed people then lose the self-respect of having gainful employment and this can lead to plummeting mental health and resultant social ills.

 

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Someone needs to operate the machinery, prepare the ground, work the mechanics etc.. 

 

Unless those jobs are increasingly done by machines too. Also consider that there may be externalities (knock on effects) to consider for mexample what is that substance made from that is squirted out to create those 3D houses and is the process of creating that problematic in anyway eg harmful to the environment?

 

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If you can afford to build your own, that would be far better :)

 

If you look at the farming cooperative Marinaleda in spain the community all pitch in and build each new home that is required and it costs them peanuts. No one is then burdened with a mortgage and the resultant debt. That town was the only place in spain unaffected by the housing crisis that occurred in the 2008 housing crisis.

 

House building can be done by locals using local materials such as cob houses, strawbale houses, log cabins and stone but in order for that to happen the local planning departments need to permit it and i would argue that the planners are in cahoots with the big banks in this country in the sense that they want everyone tied to MASSIVE mortgage and debts.

 

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But financially speaking and difficulty buying and stuck on renting, the above option will be very beneficial to many. 

However, I do not believe in everything changing to AI function. :) 

 

What is not easy to do in this country is to buy a plot of land that you can then build on because as soon as land has services installed or outline planning permission the land becomes prohibitively expensive for low income people.

 

However services are not necessarily required for those wishing to pursue offgrid options such as composting toilets, rainwater capture, solar/wind power, reed bed soakaways etc

 

We need to overhaul the system to enable people to procure land cheaply and live on it cheaply while they go about constructing a home out of natural materials. This needs intelligent and understanding people with vision, who want the best for the british people and the countryside, working within the system and currently they are lacking

Edited November 10, 2020 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

25 minutes ago, rideforever said:

I don't think it will be a technocracy.

 

everything they are building is leading towards a technocracy that will act as a kind of holding pen for humanity as artificial intelligence takes over

 

Meanwhile they are also working on virtual reality so it may very well be the case that the technocracy is a giant gulag which creates such poor conditions of life that many people will seek escape in virtual reality

 

As people are discouraged or not licensed to give birth and as they escape into virtual reality and nurture their lives and physical bodies less their health and vitality will decline and virtual reality may become a kind of drug that essentially calms the populace as they are sent into a permanent sleep

 

In effect it may become a form of euthanasia for the masses

[rideforever]

On 11/10/2020 at 11:12 AM, Macnamara said:

In effect it may become a form of euthanasia for the masses

 

Indeed.  And another esoteric titbit is the idea that all of mankind are  transforming energy, just like sheep do to make wool.  Each species has its place on Earth, as part of the organic pyramid.

Human beings have to produce X amount of energy of a certain type.  As the population increases it means that individually they produce less.

Or rather as they degenerate more of them are needed to produce the same amount of energy.   AKA our ancestors are smarter than us.

Another thing is that human beings are between two types of functioning, the animal and the angel ... and if this degeneration continues it will not be long until they are back in the jungle.

If you put people today in the jungle and take away the internet ... they are little different to monkeys, they have lost everything.

Indeed they almost demand to go back in to the jungle with that celebrity jungle stuff.

 

[Macnamara]

2 minutes ago, rideforever said:

If you put people today in the jungle and take away the internet ... they are little different to monkeys, they have lost everything.

 

I think if you took away the internet and the mass media you'd see humanity gain all sorts of wonderful things again

 

2 minutes ago, rideforever said:

Indeed they almost demand to go back in to the jungle with that celebrity jungle stuff.

 

what those outer directed people are demanding is attention and money to fill a hole in their lives that should be filled with more wholesome things but which they cann't gain a conception off in the reality tunnel they inhabit

[Tetragrammaton]

@allymisfit 

 

Dating apps have helped to dehumanise relationships to the level of an acquisition. Also Dating apps make the user more psychopathic in their behaviour towards other people. There is a strong argument for banning dating apps. They hold no social value in any capacity.

[DarianF]

On 11/9/2020 at 10:05 PM, itsnotallrightjack said:

 

This is the thing: all these plans for robotics/AI etc could really release ( liberate?)  people, well men especially from physical and sometimes dangerous work, boring work, drudgery etc. 

 

A couple of years or so ago I was engaging with a nice  fella on YouTube comments on a documentary about the A.I/robotics future who was such an optimist and expressed that we'd be freed from most jobs and with UBI be free to live more leisurely and creative lives in the future . I replied in theory this should lead to that but it never would because the elites are so disdainful of the masses, and they are used to having power over them, and never give anything away for free fun. They would control the robots and A.I so it would only be developed for their ultimate benefit.

 

I hope I didn't go too off topic there.

 

Reminds me of some of the things Jacque Fresco at the Venus Project talks about. i.e. Freeing humans from work drudgery. World without money. Resource based economy. etc. Idealistic stuff. Sounds good on the surface, if benign people were running it. But in the hands of psychopaths, could be a dystopia. This video is interesting though:

 

 

[Michi713]

18 hours ago, DarianF said:

Jacque Fresco

is a grifter and so is his nanny, whatever her name was.  Been proven long ago.  
All they’re peddling is utopian communism with hokey eggs on legs futurism.  

[DarianF]

4 hours ago, Michi713 said:

is a grifter and so is his nanny, whatever her name was.  Been proven long ago.  
All they’re peddling is utopian communism with hokey eggs on legs futurism.  

 

Yeah, I never trusted it. All sounds too good to be true.

[itsnotallrightjack]

6 hours ago, DarianF said:

 

Yeah, I never trusted it. All sounds too good to be true.

 

If something sounds too good to be true then it usually is. There's always a catch. The elite never give anything away for "free."

[itsnotallrightjack]

On 11/10/2020 at 1:20 PM, Tetragrammaton said:

@allymisfit 

 

Dating apps have helped to dehumanise relationships to the level of an acquisition. Also Dating apps make the user more psychopathic in their behaviour towards other people. There is a strong argument for banning dating apps. They hold no social value in any capacity.

 

I can see in the near future this being the way youngsters "date" each other since most places they would ordinarily go to meet people the normal way you'd meet others got rid of ( pubs, social clubs, theatres, cinemas, shopping malls etc). That creature Shwab wants everyone living  "digitally" with little physical interaction. Why would it want that? How can people properly "date" through an app, let alone have any physical contact? The answer is they won't be. The idea is to stop plebs breeding- and turn them into cyborgs. It's  Brave New World.

Edited November 12, 2020 by itsnotallrightjack

[rideforever]

32 minutes ago, itsnotallrightjack said:

The elite

 

I'm very much afraid that it's not the elite that's the problem ...ordinary people are not living rightly, disease comes to rotten flesh.

The idea of "the elites" comes from an unwillingness to change ... people are unaccustomed to more honest and sincere living.

I am trying to cut down a lot on the internet etc... because it is only bad.

When people talk about the world mostly they are referring to what they saw on the internet 2 minutes ago.

Life only seems bad if you live it on the internet.

 

A world without money is exactly what the NWO want.

Because then you no longer own your own life.

Such "idealism" is your own suicide.

Edited November 12, 2020 by rideforever

[QuodHumana]

Cellphones have a lot to do with it. Cellphones make people apathic to many things. I hate cellphones. Mine is off 99.9% of the time.

[John Connor]

Those of you looking to build a better life, please research natural building with COB.
The Hand Sculpted House by Ianto Evans is a great book and guide.

Stop giving negative things your attention and focus.
You are not here to solve the worlds problems.
You are here to find a way to BE HAPPY, that's your work.

As far as relationships go, the only one that matters is the one you have with yourself.
Be good to yourself, eat right, exercise, go outside, breath fresh air, smile, laugh, write down your thoughts,
BE GOOD to yourself.
Be Happy, Be Healthy and FEEL GOOD.

[itsnotallrightjack]

11 hours ago, QuodHumana said:

Cellphones have a lot to do with it. Cellphones make people apathic to many things. I hate cellphones. Mine is off 99.9% of the time.

 

 

I agree with you. Those smart phones are what they will use to control people- requiring them to download tracing apps, ID apps, "freedom passports" etc. I haven't got one and will never get one. Get rid of them now people!

[Sharpdx]

I don't think that people have changed. The environment and the whole world have changed with the advent of new technologies, but angry and indifferent people were always there as sad as it may sound.

[rideforever]

The miserable TV and internet are reprogramming people for violence.

[78ast78dgyad]

On 11/8/2020 at 6:50 PM, rideforever said:

Human beings are not awake, they are "Astral" creatures which means that they live mainly in the subconscious world.  Although they appear to walk in daylight, inside they are still in a dream that is only a little different from sleeping.  What is the "news" ... it's a dream, the global narrative, it's just a shared dream.

Humans are dreaming as they live.  That is their level, they are "Astral" creatures.  

And "dark forces" .. meaning unconscious forces ... rule the subconscious realm, it is world with little light .. but just enough for power structures and power beings to exist ... they exist there but are not conscious.  It is a slavery world.  A world of light and noise and  pain.

There is some stability in the human world, some light, but ... it is not a world of light.  It is ruled by the darkness, and any light is quickly copied to death and degenerated so that the darkness can return.

This is the nature of this world and it will never change because this world has a place in the hierarchy of worlds.

There must be a place like this in the ladder from chaos to order.

The only solution is to go up one rung where things will be much better.

And that's it.  That is the bottom line.

You can die here a millionaire, a pauper, on your own or in a palace with 500 children ... it doesn't matter.   You will soon be forgotten.  But ... what are you leaving with, that is the question?

 

okay

 

so what are we meant to do with our lives whilst we are here?

[78ast78dgyad]

On 11/9/2020 at 2:16 PM, rideforever said:

There is a great illusion that society is the machinery of society.

Whereas it is actually the inner state of the human beings in that society.

The inner state of the current people is bleak, they are dumb, stupid, they aim always for the lowest cheapest simplest.

Robotics just encourages them.

As they sit on the sofa consuming "content" they are literally degenerating.  They are dying.

And society is dying with them.

Perhaps one day some aliens will land and find a dead robotic society with bones in stasis tubes.

But more likely the degeneration of human beings will accelerate with many masturbatory fantasies of utopia associated ... which masks the grave decline.

People no longer wish to have sex.  Wish no anybody.   Wish to anything.   They are stupider, happy to live in a vat.

Some have high IQ as they process endless content in a soulless way.

The masking will continue and suddenly implosion, overnight society will breakdown the financial system .... a debt wall, and slide into the sea.   I think this is unavoidable actually.

Pilots ... they have trays in front of them now to place their ipad.   They don't even plan their own routes these days, an app does it for them.

What kind of people wish to ... do nothing?  Know nothing?  To be replaced?

To get excited about "free time" ... for what?

This is evil, a suicidal lying insincere people.

And the mental health cancer corona ... it does not come from nowhere.

It is one long slide into ... not even death.

Humans can't even get it up to kill each other any more.

It is a disgrace against life to be like this.

It is just low.

Animals ...?   Animals would never ever live like this, even amongst them it is a disgrace.

Anyway .... die today or die tomorrow, everyone in this world dies unless somehow they reached the other side.

 

 

This is an extraordinary post. I disagree with one thing though.

 

Some people are more motivated and inspired than ever.

Edited December 27, 2020 by 78ast78dgyad