so here is the thing. there is a virus out there, but clearly not from bats.

[kyrusdemnati]

i know personally know a few people who have reparatory problems and have had to go hospital, whatever we want to call it extreme flu or covid.

there is something clearly out there, but its been deliberately spread...

[78ast78dgyad]

my thoughts :

 

the virus is harmless flu.

 

Unless they have somehow managed to create a very complex virus that can be manipulated and evolved into something else.

Perhaps the virus has some kind of timer in it, for example for the first year it does nothing, the second year it can make you ill, the third year it kills you.

But this is yet to be seen.

The new world order always tell you what they will do before they do it, and they did say the virus is deadly, so it's possible that it could be eventually.

[Michael]

If there is a virus has to be questioned. If a virus even exist has to be questioned as well.

There is no evidence to date except for symptoms that such a thing called "virus" exists.

The PCR Test does not work on deseases and is still used on deseases, meaning they are doing something that doesent work right from the getgo.

With all that in mind (and one has to take these possibilities into consideration) there are only two real options.

 

a) Either a virus does exist, but is nothing more than a mild-flu as pointed out by many health professionals and is not deadly as proposed because early treatment works.

b) There is no virus and its just used as a tool to create an invisible enemy that is hard to proof. In such a case one takes reasons by which humans died in the past anyway and call it Covid19 (there is evidence that doctors got payed if they write Covid19 on death certificates)

 

In either case, real or not real, the restrictions that are put into place are not justifable, especially when it is known that such restrictions wouldnt even work even when a "real" pandemic would run havok.

 

Masks do not protect you from a virus, that is scientifically proven and also pretty locgical if you think about it. Something that small (as they claim to be) cannot be hold off by a face mask. Instead, it goes right through it and arround it.

 

So considering all of this, it became pretty much irrelevant if its deliberatly spread arround, because it is doing nothing what we havent seen in the last 100+ years.

 

There is Zero to fear from nature. Its all human made drama to get society to accept what they wouldnt accept otherwise.

 

 

Edited October 31, 2020 by Michael

[Martin1234]

There is a virus for definite. I had it and it was horrible, it is not just the flu, that is BS.

 

I have never been so ill as I was. It's ok saying that there is no virus, but nobody has any evidence to back this up. Maybe there is no solid evidence that there IS a virus either. But I do know I have never felt anything like what I had. I have experience seasonal flu (not a cold) and this was far worse and felt very different.

 

I believe this thing was developed in a lab and escaped. It's likely a bio weapon, that's why they can't vaccinate it. It's been made that way. Now there will be a lot of deaths and it will be around for the foreseeable.

[itsnotallrightjack]

3 hours ago, Martin1234 said:

There is a virus for definite. I had it and it was horrible, it is not just the flu, that is BS.

 

I have never been so ill as I was. It's ok saying that there is no virus, but nobody has any evidence to back this up. Maybe there is no solid evidence that there IS a virus either. But I do know I have never felt anything like what I had. I have experience seasonal flu (not a cold) and this was far worse and felt very different.

 

I believe this thing was developed in a lab and escaped. It's likely a bio weapon, that's why they can't vaccinate it. It's been made that way. Now there will be a lot of deaths and it will be around for the foreseeable.

 

How did it differ to flu Martin? I had flu in the early 1990s and it was so bad that I could not even stand up; it made me that weak I had to crawl on my hands and knees go take a pee and hold onto the loo to sit down on it ( I'm a woman by the way). I was in bed for a whole week mostly delirious. It took me 2 weeks to fully recover. I was fine after that though.

 

Did your experience with COVID have you like that?

 

Flu knocks you for six. You are shaking freezing cold and then hot, alternating between the two; your head hurts so bad, you have no appetite, you are so feverish you get delirious and are in a state of weird sleep most of the time and too weak to even sit up never mind stand up.

 

I met a young  couple sitting outside a  cafe 3 weeks ago. I was walking a friend's dog and they got chatting to me- the dog always gets people talking to me because he's ginger and looks like a collie, so he stands out.

 

They told me they'd both had COVID so I asked them if they'd ever had the flu. They told me they hadn't. I described what flu is like and asked them were they that weak and delirious that they couldn't even stand up, they said no. They told me that they were shaking with a fever and had a cough but they were able to get up and walk around. I replied that the flu is worse then.

 

People who get severely ill "from COVID" are usually elderly and people with medical conditions, who have probably gone on to get pneumonia ( as what happens with flu, except for the 1918 pandemic as that one was a very severe strain that caused cytokine storms in young adults).

 

I tend to agree that this virus escaped from that Wuhan lab, whether accidentally or deliberately. There was a documentary put on YouTube about this with evidence that this is true back in March, but of course it has now been removed. 

Edited November 1, 2020 by itsnotallrightjack

[scowie]

5 hours ago, Martin1234 said:

There is a virus for definite. I had it and it was horrible, it is not just the flu, that is BS.

 

I have never been so ill as I was. It's ok saying that there is no virus, but nobody has any evidence to back this up. Maybe there is no solid evidence that there IS a virus either. But I do know I have never felt anything like what I had. I have experience seasonal flu (not a cold) and this was far worse and felt very different.

 

I believe this thing was developed in a lab and escaped. It's likely a bio weapon, that's why they can't vaccinate it. It's been made that way. Now there will be a lot of deaths and it will be around for the foreseeable.

 

You had a disease, not a virus.  No diseases are caused by viruses: https://www.globalresearch.ca/dr-stefan-lanka-2020-article-busts-virus-misconception/5719146

 

The one new disease that has appeared on the scene this year is the effects of 5G millimetre microwave radiation poisoning.  As this paper shows It damages red blood cells (erythrocytes) and inhibits tissue respiration processes: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mX1fSrTzvWIxJBOC0Q8POLD0XhBQSpDv

 

It is the cause of this "happy hypoxia".  It knocks the iron out of red blood cells which, over time, causes oxidative stress to multiple organs.  It also causes a condition called pulmonary haemosiderosis (iron deposits around the lungs) that is commonly mistaken for pneumonia due to both conditions showing up as ground-glass opacities on chest x-rays.  So doctors think these patients have fluid in their lungs (despite not coughing anything up), and put these patients on ventilators.  This just exacerbates the oxidative stress and will likely end up killing the patient.  The correct treatment is anti-oxidant therapy, either ascorbic acid & zinc, or hydroxychloroquine & zinc.  Zinc is important due to its close relationship with iron in the body and helps get it back into red blood cells.  Btw, that other "covid" symptom of a loss of taste & smell is a recognised symptom of zinc deficiency.

Edited November 1, 2020 by scowie

[Martin1234]

As you say. My Mrs had to help me to the toilet as I could barely stand. The coughing was horrendous. I was off work for 3 weeks and even when I returned I was so coughing fit a couple of months. I kept waking and the bed was so wet, I would have thought I'd wet myself if it wasn't all around the pillow. Horrible. I have had the flu before but nothing like this.

 

I believe I caught this from my kids, who had nothing more than a light cough the week before, which is kind of in line with what is said. I guess I will really never know for certain, but I don't fancy getting it again!

 

I am on some kind of middle ground with the covid stories. I don't believe all of what we are told but I also don't believe all of the alternative theories either. I definitely don't buy the Wuhan market BS, that's a blatant lie! I'm also not buying the DNA changing vaccine nonsense either.

[KTgran]

10 minutes ago, Martin1234 said:

As you say. My Mrs had to help me to the toilet as I could barely stand. The coughing was horrendous. I was off work for 3 weeks and even when I returned I was so coughing fit a couple of months. I kept waking and the bed was so wet, I would have thought I'd wet myself if it wasn't all around the pillow. Horrible. I have had the flu before but nothing like this.

 

I believe I caught this from my kids, who had nothing more than a light cough the week before, which is kind of in line with what is said. I guess I will really never know for certain, but I don't fancy getting it again!

 

I am on some kind of middle ground with the covid stories. I don't believe all of what we are told but I also don't believe all of the alternative theories either. I definitely don't buy the Wuhan market BS, that's a blatant lie! I'm also not buying the DNA changing vaccine nonsense either.

Three of us had it in January, for a month. Flu can do exactly this. Whatever 'flu' is, because what goes for scientific facts in this world is a whoooole lot of BS. 

[Martin1234]

Another question I have about seasonal flu.

 

I hear a lot of people saying the covid is just the flu and the numbers are being twisted. But what about Spain and Italy that don't have masses of flu deaths every year? The theory of twisting numbers fits the UK, but not those places.

 

Again, a lot depends if the numbers they are publishing are actually correct though!

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

4 minutes ago, Martin1234 said:

But what about Spain and Italy that don't have masses of flu deaths every year?

Not so.. 

Italy : 

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285 

 

[Martin1234]

So that's approx 25k deaths from flu, in Italy for 2016/17.

 

Covid apparently took 38k.

 

13/14 there were only 7k deaths.

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

16 minutes ago, Martin1234 said:

So that's approx 25k deaths from flu, in Italy for 2016/17.

 

Covid apparently took 38k.

 

You questioned whether Italy had Flu and in high numbers. 

25Kis high... No ? 

Not a huge difference IMO 2016/17 to now, considering the methods of counting. 

Have you seen all the controversy over how the numbers have been arrived at this year ? 

All sorts of organisations and governments backtracking over exact numbers. 

Have you had a read through some of the Mega Thread ? 

Maybe try starting with the last 30 / 40 pages. Quite quick reading if you skim past a lot of the chat. 

If that interests you then maybe go back further.. 

BC :0)

 

[Martin1234]

Yeah I have heard about the suspect counting methods too. That's really not great. Yeah 25k is a lot.

 

I still don't really understand the reason why they would do all of this? They already have full control of us anyway. And mass vaccination doesn't sound like it will actually happen as the inner 50s were easy down the priority list.

[scowie]

I believe seasonal flu is caused by black mold spores.  Flu incidence correlates with humidity which fits with it having a fungal cause.  Black mold gives off toxic spores that under a microscope look like dandelion seed heads.  It can produce severe flu symptoms in the 25% of the population that do not possess the gene to produce the antitoxin.

[TheAwakened]

I had the flu around christmas last year. It was one of the worst flu I've had in my life. I felt terrible.

 

My symptoms were pretty much everything; fever, fatigue, cough, runny nose etc.. 

 

Maybe that is the "Covid-19" but I recovered.

 

Also oddly around that time (mid December to January) I saw loads of people on the street who had the flu/cold. I'm not sure...

 

 

[Problem child]

13 hours ago, scowie said:

 

You had a disease, not a virus.  No diseases are caused by viruses: https://www.globalresearch.ca/dr-stefan-lanka-2020-article-busts-virus-misconception/5719146

 

The one new disease that has appeared on the scene this year is the effects of 5G millimetre microwave radiation poisoning.  As this paper shows It damages red blood cells (erythrocytes) and inhibits tissue respiration processes: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mX1fSrTzvWIxJBOC0Q8POLD0XhBQSpDv

 

It is the cause of this "happy hypoxia".  It knocks the iron out of red blood cells which, over time, causes oxidative stress to multiple organs.  It also causes a condition called pulmonary haemosiderosis (iron deposits around the lungs) that is commonly mistaken for pneumonia due to both conditions showing up as ground-glass opacities on chest x-rays.  So doctors think these patients have fluid in their lungs (despite not coughing anything up), and put these patients on ventilators.  This just exacerbates the oxidative stress and will likely end up killing the patient.  The correct treatment is anti-oxidant therapy, either ascorbic acid & zinc, or hydroxychloroquine & zinc.  Zinc is important due to its close relationship with iron in the body and helps get it back into red blood cells.  Btw, that other "covid" symptom of a loss of taste & smell is a recognised symptom of zinc deficiency.

Hello, does this also explain the covid toes? I’m still trying to find the cause of this and I know it’s not a made up symptom as I saw the toes of family who supposedly had Covid and they where purple/red and looked like they had frost bite for two weeks.
 

Lack of iron in blood cells, circulation issues, could that cause chill blain like symptoms in the extremities? For me this is the biggest mystery. Why would a virus make that happen to your toes unless it’s not a virus?

[Michael]

5 hours ago, Martin1234 said:

Yeah I have heard about the suspect counting methods too. That's really not great. Yeah 25k is a lot.

 

I still don't really understand the reason why they would do all of this? They already have full control of us anyway. And mass vaccination doesn't sound like it will actually happen as the inner 50s were easy down the priority list.

Oh yes, mass vaccination will happen.

Their explanation for all the lockdowns is to build a bridge until a magical vaccine arrives that solves all problems. If the majority of people dont take it, how would they explain the vanishing of the virus? For it to be effective (as they say) the whole planet needs to be vaccinated. (Gates own words)

They already made investments, which they wont throw into the garbage bin. You will either take it freely or they will force it upon you activly or passivly.

In the meantime a whole lot of other events will happen, like the collapse of the money system, collapse of economy and so on.

We are just at the beginning of Agenda 21.

 

-> "Agenda 21 is a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which human impacts on the environment. "

 

Source: https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/outcomedocuments/agenda21

 

Or take The Great Reset:

 

->"There is an urgent need for global stakeholders to cooperate in simultaneously managing the direct consequences of the COVID-19 crisis. To improve the state of the world, the World Economic Forum is starting The Great Reset initiative."

 

Source:https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/

[Grumpy Owl]

41 minutes ago, Problem child said:

Hello, does this also explain the covid toes? I’m still trying to find the cause of this and I know it’s not a made up symptom as I saw the toes of family who supposedly had Covid and they where purple/red and looked like they had frost bite for two weeks.
 

Lack of iron in blood cells, circulation issues, could that cause chill blain like symptoms in the extremities? For me this is the biggest mystery. Why would a virus make that happen to your toes unless it’s not a virus?

 

I've seen pictures of the supposed 'Covid toes' and it is remarkable that I've had such a thing myself. Only this was a few years ago.

 

Can't remember what caused it, and it did clear up after a few days, but it couldn't have been 'covid toes'!

[Problem child]

1 minute ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

I've seen pictures of the supposed 'Covid toes' and it is remarkable that I've had such a thing myself. Only this was a few years ago.

 

Can't remember what caused it, and it did clear up after a few days, but it couldn't have been 'covid toes'!

Well I’m sure other health issues cause purple toes such as Raynaud’s disease. But my family members that had the covid toes do not have a history of raynauds or of poor circulation. They had flu symptoms plus chill blains, both in their twenties and pretty healthy.. so something going on there 

[Martin1234]

Yeah I am familiar with agenda 21. I read up on that a few years back. True, they could easily poison the water if we refuse the vaccine.

 

But what do you think is the reason behind the need to vaccinate everyone? Agenda 21 is around depopulation if I remember correctly. Surely if people start to die off after the vaccines they will have to stop.

[Michael]

1 minute ago, Martin1234 said:

Yeah I am familiar with agenda 21. I read up on that a few years back. True, they could easily poison the water if we refuse the vaccine.

 

But what do you think is the reason behind the need to vaccinate everyone? Agenda 21 is around depopulation if I remember correctly. Surely if people start to die off after the vaccines they will have to stop.

People already died shortly after they got their flu vaccines and they keep saying its not related to it.

[Martin1234]

3 minutes ago, Michael said:

People already died shortly after they got their flu vaccines and they keep saying its not related to it.

I was thinking about going to superdrug and paying for mine this year

 

I have been working from home since march and I haven't been ill all year. It has been quite nice in a way!

Edited November 1, 2020 by Martin1234

[Michael]

2 minutes ago, Martin1234 said:

I was thinking about going to superdrug and paying for mine this year

 

I have been working from home since march and I haven't been ill all year. It has been quite nice in a way!

Good stay healthy and well.

Dont take any vaccine. Its not needed. (every good doctor will tell you this)

Even if you believe official numbers they rate the effectivness of vaccines between 40-60%,dependend on the year.

 

If you live healthy (sport, good food, no stress and so on, you have not much to fear anyway.)

[Martin1234]

11 minutes ago, Michael said:

If you live healthy (sport, good food, no stress and so on, you have not much to fear anyway.)

Makes sense. I put some weight on at the start, but then decided to use lockdown to my advantage. I started doing insanity workouts every morning and I am getting into decent shape. Exercise does a lot for the mind as well. 

 

Your right about the flu vaccine too. I don't come into contact with many people now, and am unlikely to for the foreseeable, I said myself I haven't been ill all year so why do I even need a vaccine. I don't!

[Michael]

9 minutes ago, Martin1234 said:

Makes sense. I put some weight on at the start, but then decided to use lockdown to my advantage. I started doing insanity workouts every morning and I am getting into decent shape. Exercise does a lot for the mind as well. 

 

Your right about the flu vaccine too. I don't come into contact with many people now, and am unlikely to for the foreseeable, I said myself I haven't been ill all year so why do I even need a vaccine. I don't!

Right on! Thats good to hear.