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7 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said:

Dont the catholic church claim to have the foreskin of Jesus and put it on display?

 

I have no sodding idea!

And don't sodding care.

 

If you cut bits off of babies then you are a demonic cunt.

End of story.

You have nowhere to go in trying to say it is 'right' in any way shape or form.

You are a satanic cunt!

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49 minutes ago, Odie Hatzcats said:

 

I have no sodding idea!

And don't sodding care.

 

If you cut bits off of babies then you are a demonic cunt.

End of story.

You have nowhere to go in trying to say it is 'right' in any way shape or form.

You are a satanic cunt!

lol, are you directing that at me personally?

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9 minutes ago, Odie Hatzcats said:

 

If you consider that chopping bits off of babies is a good idea then yes I am .... if not then no.

OK, just your language seemed directed at me. No, I dont consider circumcision to be necessary except for medical reasons.

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7 hours ago, MarpatV2 said:

So why dont freemasons insist on members and their kids being circumcised?

 

Why did paul a jew whose real name was saul tell pagans that they didn't need to circumcise their children in order to become a christian? Because its better for recruitment

 

7 hours ago, MarpatV2 said:

Freemasonry uses jewish themes and symbols. Thats different from being jewish.

 

I'd say its run by lurianic kabbalists

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7 hours ago, MarpatV2 said:

I would think thats irrelevant. If you think the practise is abuse then surely its the same for adult or child.

 

I wasn't passing a moral judgment in that case, i was merely saying that i could see why some societies did it as a rite of passage but that doesn't explain the case for jews who do it to babies

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23 hours ago, MarpatV2 said:

It was only Paul who said it wasnt required, not Jesus or his disciple. Paul was annoyed by the amount of people in Rome who wanted to become fully jewish, like Jesus was, and so he came up with the circumcision of the heart nonsense. He probably realise that he would get more people through the door by not requiring it.

Jesus' message was that He had fulfilled the law (including circumcision), and that all people needed to do was believe on Him. Paul just drove this message home. The circumcision of the heart was mentioned in the Old Testament (Deut 10:16), so certainly wasn't invented by Paul. People were prepared to be fed to the lions for their belief in Jesus. If eternal life really did require removal of an excess flap of skin, I doubt this would present anymore than a minor inconvenience.

 

22 hours ago, Odie Hatzcats said:

The bolded part. States all I need to know about you. Take that as you will.

 

If parents want to chop bits off the babies they have then they are satanic cunts. End of story, no more to say.

I don't believe in vaccines, if that's what you're getting at. But some people sincerely believe in them. Free will (i.e. freedom) is more important than being right. If I stopped those parents vaccinating their children, I become a tyrant. Instead, the aim should be to convince people of their error, rather than force them into a mould of our design.

22 hours ago, Odie Hatzcats said:

If parents want to chop bits off the babies they have then they are satanic cunts. End of story, no more to say.

It's a small piece of skin we are talking about, not just any other parts. And it is in the bible, and has been practiced for 1000s of years. Your culture has indoctrinated you into the belief that your views are right, and you are therefore justified in imposing these views on others by force. However, this is still tyranny, and is wrong. Our way should be to convince others, not to force them.

 

22 hours ago, Odie Hatzcats said:

Why not finger nails?

Rip all the nails off of a baby. Dirt gets under them and so it is for the best. You can get in-growing hair, best to shave all the hair off a child then.

 

It is utter bullshit.

 

Also don't use the removed foreskins (from kids or anyone) to create facial products ya sick fucks!

Removing finger nails is not in the bible, and I'd argue it has no benefit in addition to causing pain and danger. I don't advocate using foreskins as facial products. That is gross, and I'd argue a type of cannibalism or vampirism.

 

21 hours ago, MarpatV2 said:

Dont the catholic church claim to have the foreskin of Jesus and put it on display?

Ewwww. So gross. I thought the bone relics of saints was as low as they stooped.

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On 12/10/2020 at 9:19 PM, Macnamara said:

if you want to understand why some northern american christians do it i suggest that they are influenced by freemasonry

 

in freemasonic terms the tip of the penis is the tip of the pyramid and the tip that is missing is the benben stone

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I consider that circumcision of a baby demonic child abuse .... with that said ....

 

Question:

 

Why would an adult man decide to be circumcised?

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On 1/19/2021 at 10:22 AM, Percy said:

I think some are unwilling to accept that circumcision might have health benefits. Ultimately, it is the parents who love the child and want the best for him, so I believe it should be the parents' choice, just as for other issues such as tongue ties and vaccines.

 

As Jews do practice routine circumcision, which as you indicated is used as a for cure phimosis, I doubt there is a large incidence of phimosis in Hebrew males. The ancient historic records refer to a commandment from God, rather than a medical reason, although studies show there are a number of health benefits (which would include prevention of phimosis). In the New Testament, circumcision is seen as symbolising what is to take place in the heart - the removal of the sinful nature inherited through Adam, and sign of a new covenant through Christ.

 

 

Why should it be a parents choice to hack off a childs foreskin.?  Surely the foreskin is the childs. Unless its a medical need or emergency as the OP explained, I see no reason to remove a perfectly normal foreskin. Same with tongue ties, if theres an abnormality causing issue it requires intervention.

 

As for jews routinely practicing  circumcision... they used to have the foreskin bitten off by some `mohel` - even now some suck blood from a penis theyve cut the foreskin from....

 

If God made a baby in his likeness, then I`m presuming its because He had a foreskin. If all babies are born with a foreskin then that is how they are supposed to be...unless something occurs to prevent normal functioning.  

 

I cant see how jews would advocate a new covenant through Christ.... Didnt they kill him?  

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7 hours ago, lake said:

I consider that circumcision of a baby demonic child abuse .... with that said ....

 

Question:

 

Why would an adult man decide to be circumcised?

 

If he gets a problem with it. A swollen foreskin, infection, damage (** especially if ramming into a rear orifice on the regular and the receiving orifice is resisting - the foreskin would take a pounding for sure. )  Usually if theres a problem with  too tight a foreskin its in younger males - but can occur in older ones if problems occur.  . One penis problem you dont want is a stricture. Metal rods of increasing size pushed up the penis.  Not a nice thing to see - even less nice for the male involved.   https://www.centerforreconstructiveurology.org/urethral-stricture/dilation-urethrotomy-stent/

 

**When I worked in Urology - you`d be surprised what was found stuck in the rear passage  of males- we saw everything from a pepper pot to ( not limited to) various vegetables. Causing emergency situations.

 

So as with foreskins....sometimes you have to remove the offending obstacle, when its a matter of urgency.

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7 hours ago, lake said:

I consider that circumcision of a baby demonic child abuse .... with that said ....

 

Question:

 

Why would an adult man decide to be circumcised?

 

I'm with Christopher Hitchens on this one. Fuck these cult delusional religious psychopathic cunts.

 

 

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On 12/18/2020 at 9:48 AM, Percy said:

I don't think circumcision is just chopping bits of children. It's been practiced for 1000s of years. If there's a real issue, I think the proper place for it to be raised is in court. Who are we to say how someone else should raise her child? There are far more damaging practices to children, such as abortion and vaccination, which are permitted in the name of freedom. It's inconsistent to allow these, without allowing circumcision.

 

 

How do you not see that biting a foreskin from a baby is not causing it harm?  If I came and bit your foreskin off - I would be arrested and charged with assault with bodily harm.

 

Sometimes abortions have to be carried out to save the mother. The mother is the only viable life in these situations...and therefore is paramount. An unborn child is also part of that mother, connected to her and unable to survive without her... so still her choice. 

 

If a vaccination has been proven to work and has been trialed ( albeit on animal life...which is another topic) then again it is the parents decision based on whether it will prevent further harm to their child than the illness they are afflicted with. Much like a decision for antibiotics. 

 

All are very different issues and should be treated as such.  Back to foreskins... or eyelids.... just a piece of skin right?  

 

I cant believe people are ok with this practice and many claim it is for ``cleanliness``  How clean is biting off a foreskin with a filthy mouth, let alone a filthy mind and subjecting a child to pain, infection and abuse before it can even walk. Parents have been jailed for less.

 

No offense to circumcised males who never had a choice in this.... but seriously

 

 

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I've never understood why mutilating a child's body part has any benefits. Or what that has to do with "God and our relationship with Him." God would be baffled.

Except for medical reasons, which can happen sometimes.

 

And female circumcison is sheer diabolical. Its goal is to make sure the woman gets no pleasure from sex.

Whoever dreamed this stuff up??

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On 12/2/2020 at 10:26 PM, Liam3880 said:

I’m in my 30s from England and I had it done when I was born and it still baffles me to this day, from what I’ve read it’s something called thimosis but I’m not sure that’s a genuine condition 

 

Phimosis is what it's called Liam and this is condition that doesn't affect new born boys because the foreskin is fused to the phallus until puberty, as it is meant to be. It retracts of it's own accord naturally at puberty, so it seems some medic had no idea what they were talking about or, perhaps they were of a religion that promotes circ for baby boys and wrongly told your parents that you needed to have this done. You have my sympathy that this happened to you.

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1 hour ago, itsnotallrightjack said:

 

The man was a total legend! How I wish he were still here today. He spoke right to the point and spoke the truth. He dared to speak out. 

 

A powerful intellect. Must have been terrifying to debate him.

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On 8/17/2021 at 2:54 AM, DarianF said:

 

A powerful intellect. Must have been terrifying to debate him.

Yes very charming man as well (no homo.)

 

I've got into him again recently. I don't much care for his atheism stuff although I think his brother (I know his a shill) came off better in the Christian debate.

 

I'd like to think Christopher would be one of our allies in this current climate. We could do with him right now. He had integrity and conviction something missing from modern leftists. He called out Islam as well and stuck up for David Irvin, despite not wanting anything to do with him or his views and that a publisher should publish whether or not they agreed with the authors views or not.

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On 8/18/2021 at 10:24 PM, Fluke said:

Yes very charming man as well (no homo.)

 

I've got into him again recently. I don't much care for his atheism stuff although I think his brother (I know his a shill) came off better in the Christian debate.

 

I'd like to think Christopher would be one of our allies in this current climate. We could do with him right now. He had integrity and conviction something missing from modern leftists. He called out Islam as well and stuck up for David Irvin, despite not wanting anything to do with him or his views and that a publisher should publish whether or not they agreed with the authors views or not.

 

I love his atheism talks and debates etc! Being an atheist myself I totally agree with every word he said about (organised) religions. 

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On 5/16/2021 at 8:35 PM, lake said:

I consider that circumcision of a baby demonic child abuse .... with that said ....

 

Question:

 

Why would an adult man decide to be circumcised?

 

I knew a bloke a few years ago who was converting to Judaism and he told us ( his was at a workplace) he was going to get the "procedure." He never said the word circ, but we all knew that was what he meant as he came back a couple of weeks later and announced he'd "made a covenant with god" all smiles!  I said nothing, as I'd already warned him before he got it done that when/if he got a new girlfriend he'd notice a change in sensation and not for the better. Whilst my mind boggles at why any bloke (who doesn't have phimosis) would want to this done to them, at least he's an adult and makes that choice (unlike a poor little baby or small boy). That said, I don't think a synagogue would allow a man to become a Jew if he didn't get it done? So I expect there is some coercion and indoctrination involved. 

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On 5/19/2021 at 2:28 AM, CrowintheSnow said:

I've never understood why mutilating a child's body part has any benefits. Or what that has to do with "God and our relationship with Him." God would be baffled.

Except for medical reasons, which can happen sometimes.

 

And female circumcison is sheer diabolical. Its goal is to make sure the woman gets no pleasure from sex.

Whoever dreamed this stuff up??

 

Yeah totally weird and nasty. I'm an atheist, but why would a "creator" create male mammals to have genitalia a certain way (which let's face it does a good job of what evolved to do mostly!) but tell its human "worshippers" that they need to lop bits off said genitalia? This is crazy shit. 

 

Even the ancient Romans (who were kinda crazy in many ways and pretty brutal) were against it!

 

Is it something to do with wanting to look different to other mammals? Like male mammals having foreskins, so "ooh no we can't look like them dirty dogs" or something? 

 

 

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On 8/25/2021 at 11:24 AM, itsnotallrightjack said:

 

I love his atheism talks and debates etc! Being an atheist myself I totally agree with every word he said about (organised) religions. 

 

 

 

 

Brutal stuff. I love it ;-)

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