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The Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Bill 2019-21 passed its second reading in the House of Commons earlier this week (https://services.parliament.uk/Bills/2019-21/coverthumanintelligencesourcescriminalconduct.html).

 

I cannot stress enough how dangerous it is as it would allow for "relevant authorities" to commit criminal acts without being held to account - it would, according to the words of dissenting MP Zarah Sultana, outlaw "civil action against authorised activities" and block claims being brought forward. She added that "this Bill marks the latest step in a frightening descent into authoritarianism by this Government... It must be resisted".

 

The criminal acts permitted could potentially include the freedom to murder and torture people as no limitations will be placed on the types of criminal activity which could be authorised. The justification provided for the criminal activity is that it must be undertaken either:

 

  • in the interest of national security; or
  • for the detection of or prevention of crime or disorder (would that include peaceful protests?); or
  • in the interest of the economic wellbeing of the UK.

 

Here is the list of "relevant authorities" which would be given such powers. It is a very long list with some curious additions. What do the Food Standards Agency, Financial Conduct Authority, Gambling Commission and Environment Agency need these powers for?!

 

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0188/200188.pdf

 

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Out of 647 MPs, only 203 bothered to vote with 182 votes cast in favour of the bill and 21 against...

 

UK Column covered the bill in their report today from around 24:15 in the video below. They pointed out how incoherent the it is in that the provisions are being touted as "compatible with Convention rights" when crimes, by definition, are infringements on the rights of others.

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

The Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Bill 2019-21 passed its second reading in the House of Commons earlier this week (https://services.parliament.uk/Bills/2019-21/coverthumanintelligencesourcescriminalconduct.html).

 

I cannot stress enough how dangerous it is as it would allow for "relevant authorities" to commit criminal acts without being held to account - it would, according to the words of dissenting MP Zarah Sultana, outlaw "civil action against authorised activities" and block claims being brought forward. She added that "this Bill marks the latest step in a frightening descent into authoritarianism by this Government... It must be resisted".

 

My goodness. Basically an agent/informer of the State can commit any crime including murder and not be charged.

 

Looking at Wikipedia, I believe this stemmed from a tribunal last year.

 

Guardian 20 December 2019

 

MI5 policy allowing informants to commit serious crimes ruled lawful

 

"In a 56-page judgment, the investigatory powers tribunal (IPT), which hears legal complaints about the intelligence agencies, declared that the guidelines do not breach human rights or grant absolute immunity to those who commit offences such as murder or torture."

 

In the second dissenting judgment, Prof Graham Zellick QC, was more critical, arguing that parliament had never authorised such a policy. And he added: “To accede to [MI5’s] argument would open the door to the lawful exercise of other powers of which we have no notice or notion, creating uncertainty and a potential for abuse.”

 

So .... they are now putting it forward to Parliament and it looks like pyschopath MPs will vote it through. 😡 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_Human_Intelligence_Sources_(Criminal_Conduct)_Bill#cite_note-2

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/20/mi5-informants-investigatory-powers-tribunal-lawful-serious-crimes

 

 

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i don't see what's all the fuss about....they were doing it before and they will continue to do it...

 

i mean goverments are/were criminal organisation for a long time 

 

people trust the system because they are in fear......the circle is closed 

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54 minutes ago, screamingeagle said:

i don't see what's all the fuss about....they were doing it before and they will continue to do it...

 

It's extremely dangerous because it is essentially legalising totalitarianism

 

They did this already with the online spying after edward snowden made it common knowledge that the government are storing all of our electronic communications. The government then passed the 'snoopers charter' and essentially legalised what they had been caught doing illegally.

 

So this new bill essentially removes any rights that you have under criminal law but also under civil law meaning that you have no recourse to justice

 

The next step they need to do will be to legalise the muzzling of the press so that you wouldn't even be able to publicise your plight, then of course they will come after the last bastion of free speech which is the independent media and of course us

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1 hour ago, screamingeagle said:

i don't see what's all the fuss about....they were doing it before and they will continue to do it...

 

i mean goverments are/were criminal organisation for a long time 

 

people trust the system because they are in fear......the circle is closed 

 

In the case of Pat Finucane, under the new legislation if passed, of which I'm sure it will, they would be no recourse for his family if I understand it correctly.

 

"Patrick Finucane  21 March 1949 – 12 February 1989) was an Irish lawyer primarily specialising in criminal defence work, who was well known for defending members of the Irish Republican Army. He was killed by loyalist paramilitaries from the Ulster Defence Association acting in collusion with the British security services.  In 2011 British Prime Minister David Cameron met with Pat Finucane's family and admitted the collusion, although no member of the British security services has yet been prosecuted.

 

On 12 February 1989, Finucane was shot dead at his home in Fortwilliam Drive, north Belfast, by Ken Barrett and another masked man using a Browning Hi-Power 9mm pistol and a .38 revolver respectively. He was hit 14 times. The two gunmen knocked down the front door with a sledgehammer and entered the kitchen where Finucane had been having a Sunday meal with his family; they immediately opened fire and shot him twice, knocking him to the floor. Then while standing over him, the leading gunman fired 12 bullets into his face at close range"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Finucane

 

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Tory MPs have passed an extraordinary piece of legislation which effectively hands the UK government and various state actors sweeping powers to commit serious crimes against their political opponents – including torture and even murder – without facing any legal repercussions whatsoever.

 

https://evolvepolitics.com/the-tories-have-passed-a-bill-giving-the-government-powers-to-legally-murder-their-political-opponents-yes-seriously/

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Whilst having the Food Standards Standards agency on the list might conjure up images of selling horses to dodgy food processing plants to see what they do with it one has to wonder what the "bad guys" response will be to it.

 

Will anyone attempting to join a terrorist group have to commit a major atrocity before proper infiltration?

 

Where's the line?

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UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS OF THE BILL

 

For a Bill to be passed and become law, it has to go through a number of stages which usually takes weeks or months. However, in the case of the Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Bill, the Government have set all remaining stages to take place this Thursday 15th October.

 

This means that this Thursday appears to be the final opportunity for MPs to suggest amendments to the Bill such as placing limits on the criminal conduct that can be undertaken by "relevant authorities". For example, surely crimes such as murder, torture and sexual offences can never be justified?

 

Save Our Rights have put together template letters which can be emailed to your MP and the Speaker of the House asking for amendments to the Bill to be proposed and heard. The link to the letters is below.

 

https://saveourrights.uk/use-your-voice/

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On 10/11/2020 at 2:05 AM, serpentine said:

Whilst having the Food Standards Standards agency on the list might conjure up images of selling horses to dodgy food processing plants to see what they do with it one has to wonder what the "bad guys" response will be to it.

 

Will anyone attempting to join a terrorist group have to commit a major atrocity before proper infiltration?

 

Where's the line?

 

The food standards agency has been added to protect GW pharmaceuticals. They are moving in on the CBD industry Worldwide and won't be happy until they have total control. CBD has been classed as a 'novel food' in Europe and come March 2021 they will have the right to remove all goods/brands being sold without a license  .....In other words all of them.

 

They are trialing now for Cancer among other diseases with their very high cost isolate THC.   The oldest medicine known to man being put on trial......What a joke!

Once the pantomime trials have been given the go ahead they will have total control of the industry Worldwide.

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Despite a number of proposed amendments being tabled for the Bill's hearing today, each one was rejected. This included:

  • Proposals that the Bill should set limits on the types of criminal conduct permitted by "relevant authorities" such as causing death or serious bodily harm, torture and sexual offences;
  • The removal of some of the "relevant authorities" which should be granted the powers;
  • Restricting the situations in which the "relevant authorities" are permitted to use criminal conduct;
  • Making "relevant authorities" apply for judicial warrants to carry out the criminal conduct and;
  • Provision for victims to seek redress.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chis-bill-mp-vote-undercover-agent-ban-murder-torture-rape-spy-cops-b1050124.html

 

Unfortunately, Simon Dolan's injunction case was also unsuccessful today.

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Save Our Rights Youtube videos won't embed but, according to the video linked below, 34 Labour MPs who voted against the Bill yesterday have been put on probation for 6-12 months (dependant upon whether they have previously defied "the whip"). All because they voted with their consciences rather than toe the party line.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_7b5J2TjLA

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