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The subject of "Flat Earth" is a very contentious one, and in my opinion I don't have a problem with the subject matter as such, more the way that people 'react' and conduct themselves while 'discussing' this subject. For the record, I do not care whether the earth is a 'globe', or if it is a 'flat disc', this world that I experience only exists within my field of vision. I started to go down this 'rabbit hole' a few years ago, and while I found some arguments quite compelling, there were still far too many unanswered questions for my liking. But what I found most intriguing is the way that flat-earth discussions pan out. It is very divisive and polarising, and participants are either firmly 'flat-earthers', or the complete opposite. Discussions on this subject ultimately turn into baiting, trolling, insulting, bickering and go round in circles, with the same mantras and sources being quoted over and over. Now also for the record, I don't believe in censorship, and I will also state that any previous topics on this subject have not been locked by myself because I want this subject stifled or censored, but simply because they have gotten out of hand and unmanageable. So here we have a new topic for this subject, but before we continue, some caveats. First of all, if you are new here, before proceeding to post in this topic, please ensure you have reviewed the following previous topics: And some bad examples: As well as the general Forum Rules, there will be some further rules applied to this thread. If you do not agree with or do not wish to participate in this particular discussion, then simply ignore it. No trolling, baiting, or insulting - members should refrain from using terms such as 'globetard' etc. Many aspects have already been covered in previous topics, so just recycling or regurgitating previously posted material will be frowned upon - read through the previous topics first! Lasers, "ships disappearing over horizons", "water clinging to a ball", "planes landing upside down" etc have all been done to death already. If you're going to post a video, or a link to a video, please also explain the content of that video as well as give your own opinion/take on it - and don't post videos that have already been posted. Please keep all discussion of Flat Earth in this topic, there is no need to start any new topic, or to start 'hijacking' other topics. If you are an 'advocate' of the Flat Earth theory, please be expected to answer any questions in an open and honest manner, using your own words; don't just reply with a link to a video or post some comment about "do your own research". If you are unsure of, or sceptical of the Flat Earth theory, keep your questions and opinions civil and your criticisms constructive. Finally, if anyone feels this OP is anyway hostile or restrictive, I will remind members that there are other places on the internet where this topic can be discussed. Flat Earth Society: https://forum.tfes.org/ Also: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php https://flatearthers.org/forum/ https://stolenhistory.net/threads/flat-earth.3724/ It is my hope that those who wish to discuss this topic in a civil and polite manner can do so here, as well as those who are sceptical or unsure can ask questions in an equally civil or polite manner likewise. Trolling and baiting (from both sides of the argument) will not be tolerated, its as simple as that. Read through and review the previous topics linked to earlier. Any new discussions on this topic are welcome, rehashes and regurgitations are not. If this topic ends up getting locked, it will be the LAST discussion of this subject here. The rest is up to you lot...
The “Nature of Reality” forum was recently hosting a thread where heated discussion was taking place regarding our plane, “a flat, nonrotating Earth” as nasa themselves reference multiple times in multiple documents. Freemason trolls were going crazy over their delusion being exposed, which in itself was fun to watch. The thread was several pages long, I believe over 40, was posted to multiple times each day, and was being viewed 100s of times each day. So, I’ll lay out the basics for discussion, the freemason trolls will come on here with nearly every logical fallacy known to man; they will even openly lie. For anyone looking for truth, try not to let this distract you from these few, simple, points… and enjoy! T 1) The horizon! I simply cannot stress enough how important it is to understand that with the technology available today for around $500, you can test for yourself whether the horizon is a physical barrier as it MUST BE in the current heliocentric delusion put forth by Jesuit freemasons and accepted today by “modern astronomy,” or if it is simply what any artist knows as a vanishing point/line based on perspective. Here are some examples of what you will find: I am not sure of the cost of the above setup, but it is technology like this that is advancing rapidly and has been destroying the globe lie all over the world. Youtube, facebook, twitter, etc. cannot take these videos down and ban the account owners fast enough. Our ability to use infrared, allowing us to cut through the atmosphere and the ability max out the contrast allows us to see farther than ever before. FTR, the above horizon is around 100 miles or more beyond where it would be if the earth were a globe, 25,000 miles in circumference. The above video speaks for itself. Watch it at least until the father shoots a laser directly into his son’s camera lens from 13.7 miles away! And this is an old one of usaf major Brian Shul flying around in his fighter jet and telling us quite bluntly of seeing Canada from New Mexico! The horizon also always rises to the eye level of the observer and remains perfectly flat, 360 degrees. From the beach: To the highest rides in hot air balloons: If they earth is a ball like the freemasons claim, as we move higher we would need to look down to see the horizon, but this never happens. Since none of us have ever seen this ourselves, check this open sourced 3d model of what we should see from a hot air balloon, yet never do: The truth remains and has been staring us in the for our entire lives. 2) The physics governing water is extremely clear! Water finds its level. Spirit levels work on this very principle and have guided us in the building of incredible structures for centuries. Water does not stick to the outside of a ball; water fills its container and lies perfectly flat on top: I know, I know… muh grabity, duh. Well: 3) Physical laws regarding how gas and why gas moves! Trolls from freemasonry pretend that Newton’s second law only relates to temperature. They are wrong. It is correct to say that energy moves from "more concentrated" to "less concentrated." In other words: Energy flows from a higher pressure to a lower pressure (expansion). https://www.ftexploring.com/energy/2nd_Law.html The point? We are told that the greatest vacuum known to us is that of the "infinite vacuum of space." In fact, Interstellar/Deep Space = ~10^-17 Torr. To put that in perspective, nasa’s vacuum chamber with her two feet thick metal wall that is enclosed by six to eight feet thick cement walls, can only achieve 10^-6. And right next to this infinite vacuum sits our pressurized system. It is actually inside this infinite vacuum, lol. I know, I know… muh grabity. Hint: it is ridiculous to assume that gravity would stand a chance against this vacuum. I mean even if Newton was right, this is where gravity would be the weakest. It is the point that nasa refuses to even define where the earth’s gravity stops and “infinite vacuum space” begins. Hell, look how easy it for a basic shop vac to overcome “gravity,” the freemason’s imaginary friend: 4) Airlines use this map or one quite similar to navigate from: and never use anything like this to navigate from: EMERGENCY LANDINGS PROVE THIS BEYOND DOUBT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVP8-mcpook 5) Look at how they explain flight dynamics to pilots and what nasa explains in several of THEIR OWN DOCUMENTS! We assume that . . . •There is a flat Earth. (The Earth’s curvature is zero.) •There is anon-rotating Earth. (No Coriolis accelerations and such are present.) http://www.aerostudents.com/courses/flight-dynamics/flightDynamicsFullVersion.pdf American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics; General Equations of Motion for a Damaged Asymmetric Aircraft (Page 2, Section II) ... “In this paper, the rigid body equations of motion over a flat non-rotating earth are developed…” https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20070030307.pdf NASA Technical Memorandum 104330; Predicted Performance of a Thrust-Enhanced SR-71 Aircraft with an External Payload (Page 8 - Digital Performance Simulation Description) "The DPS equations of motion use four assumptions ... a nonrotating Earth." https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88507main_H-2179.pdf NASA Technical Note: A Method for Reducing The Sensitivity of Optimal Nonlinear Systems to Parameter Uncertainty (Page 12 Problem Statement) ... "(2) A flat, nonrotating Earth" https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710018599.pdf NASA Technical Note; Calculation of Wind Compensation for Launching of Unguided Rockets (Page 8 Trajectory Simulation, 2nd Paragraph) ..."this simulation assumes ... the missile position in space is computed relative to a flat nonrotating Earth" https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20040008097.pdf NASA Technical Paper 2768; User's Manual for LINEAR, a FORTRAN Program to Derive Linear Aircraft Models (Page 12, Program Overview) ... “Within the program, the nonlinear equations of motion include 12 states representing a rigid aircraft flying in a stationary atmosphere over a flat nonrotating Earth” https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88072main_H-1259.pdf NASA Technical Paper 2835; "User's Manual for LINEAR, a FORTRAN Program to Derive Linear Aircraft Models" (Page 1, Summary) AND (Page 126 , Report Documentation Page, Section 16) "The nonlinear equations of motion used are six-degree-of-freedom equations with stationary atmosphere and flat, nonrotating earth assumptions." https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19890007066.pdf NASA Technical Memorandum; Determination of Angles of Attack and Sideslip from Radar Data and a Roll Stabilized Platform (Page 2, Section 16.) “The method is limited, however, to application where a flat, nonrotating earth may be assumed.” NASA Contractor Report 186019; An Aircraft Model for the AIAA Controls Design Challenge (Page 11, Equation of Motion and Atmospheric Model) ... “The nonlinear equations of motion used in this model are general six-degree-of-freedom equations representing the flight dynamics of a rigid aircraft flying in a stationary atmosphere over a flat nonrotating Earth.” https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88248main_H-1777.pdf NASA Contractor Report 3073; Investigation of Aircraft Landing in Variable Wind Fields (Page 6, Chapter II - Aircraft Landing Model) ... "The Aircraft trajectory model employed in this study was derived based on the following assumptions: a) The Earth is flat and non-rotating. " https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19790005472.pdf NASA Technical Memorandum 81238; A Mathematical Model of the CH-53 Helicopter (Page 17, Equations of Motion) .. "The helicopter equations of motion are given in body axes with respect to a flat, nonrotating Earth." https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19810003557.pdf Engineering Experiment Station, Georgia Institute of Technology, Prepared for NASA; Atmospheric Oscillations (Page 10) ... "A model frequently used is that of a flat, nonrotating earth." ... (next paragraph) .. "The most one can profitably simplify the problem is to consider an isothermal atmosphere, plane level surface, and a nonrotating Earth." https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19650015408.pdf NASA Tecnical Paper 2002-210718; Stability and Control Estimation Flight Test Results for the SR-71 Aircraft With Externally Mounted Experiments (Pages 10-11 Equations of Motion) ... "These equations assume a rigid vehicle and a flat, nonrotating Earth." https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88733main_H-2465.pdf NASA Technical Memorandum 100996; Flight Testing a VSTOL Aircraft to Identify a Full-Envelope Aerodynamic Model (Pages 4-5, State Estimation) ... “For aircraft problems, the state and measurement models together represent the kinematics of a rigid body for describing motion over a flat, nonrotating Earth…” https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19880014378.pdf NASA Ames Research Center; Singular Arc Time-Optimal Climb Trajectory of Aircraft in a Two-Dimensional Wind Field (Page 2, Section II. Singular Arc Optimal Control) ... “In our minimum time-to-climb problem, the aircraft is modeled as a point mass and the flight trajectory is strictly confined in a vertical plane on a non-rotating, flat Earth." https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20060053337.pdf OK, that’s it for now, I could literally go on for days, but let’s start with these five simple points. And folks, at least try to keep the trolling to minimum, focus on the five points and have some fun exploring our physical reality.