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  1. 6 minutes ago, numnuts said:

     

     

     

     

     

    Label it what you will. When one person in a house starts coughing and spluttering, with a seriously runny nose, then other residents in the same house do tend to suffer the same thing. This is especially the case, if the said one person is an unhygienic sod. Or do you not include that scenario, with your use of the term 'disease'?

    How many times in a house does one person get a cold and no one else get it too. Think about it, people in the same household are exposed to the same toxins in their environment so that can easily explained why a few person in a household might get sick, although it is not as common as thought, it is just that people remember the time they all got sick together and not the time they did not. After all, viruses are supposed to have incubation period and thus people should not be sick the next day after expose to a sick person.  If disease was contagious we should be constantly sick and doctors and nurses should be sick all the time. Every time science have tried to prove disease contagion they have actually proved the opposite. That you cannot catch illness from someone else just like you cannot catch health from someone else. It is all about the terrain. 

  2. 14 hours ago, Firebird said:

     

    Animals also die from microbes, rabies in stray dogs, cougars, etc. Great die offs happen. Some years back there was a great die off of saiga antelopes in Central Asia.

    I would like some examples of those great die off due to viruses and bacteria.

  3. 14 hours ago, Firebird said:

     

    Animals also die from microbes, rabies in stray dogs, cougars, etc. Great die offs happen. Some years back there was a great die off of saiga antelopes in Central Asia.

    Have you ever seen large number of wild dogs and cougars died off at one time from rabies? There is no actual evidence that the antelopes died from any bacteria. The bacteria initially blamed was found to be a common bacteria in the antelopes so how did it not kill them all this time. Why would it abruptly start killing them and then abruptly stop killing them? To this day no one have been able to explained how the animals died. I would think they were probably exposed to to some toxins. 

  4. On 11/24/2021 at 4:41 AM, karmaxxxx said:

    I think I would take up milking cows by hand catch cow pox and have natural immunity

    you cannot catch disease from someone else. Think about it, if viruses exist and is infectious and pathogenic, why is there no pandemic in wild animal? They have no vaccine, no doctor, no pills, no antibiotics etc and yet there is never a great die off of any type of wild animals. 

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  5. On 11/18/2021 at 2:46 PM, Mr M said:

    If there is a Smallpox outbreak it could be rapidly contained by quarantining the sick and other established hygiene methods.

     

    While smallpox can be spread by airborne droplets in an enclosed space this is rare and infection is more likely to be caused by direct contact with the infected individuals or contaminated objects.

     

    Smallpox is not contagious prior to symptoms, there is little viral shedding in the pre-symptomatic phase so identifying the sick quickly, especially those showing a rash, would be highly effective.

     

    The world has seen huge technological advances since smallpox was eradicated, especially in communications and information technology. It should be pretty easy to rapidly identify an outbreak and deal with it in a way impossible historically.

     

    The fear-mongering around smallpox is just that, an elite ploy and distraction, if millions are killed by a ‘viral outbreak’ and it’s blamed on ‘smallpox’ it will be a lie and a cover for something else.

    A lot of disinfo about smallpox.  Only 30 percent of the global population ever got the smallpox vaccine so clearly it was not eradicated by vaccine. There is no scientific proof of a smallpox pathogenic virus. None at all.

     

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  6. 6 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

    Enough is enough.  Stand firm everyone.

     

    Police blast protestors with WATER CANNON as Netherlands plunges back into Covid lockdown as shops and restaurants are ordered to close early and crowds are banned from sports events

     

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10197763/Dutch-police-use-WATER-CANNON-people-demonstrators-protest-return-lockdown.html

    The vaccinated must feel like a bunch of wankers

  7. On 10/31/2021 at 11:06 PM, ink said:

     

    You live in a realm of predation as it's base nature .... exactly what type of 'paradise' is that?

    You are assuming that predation would continue or even be necessary without the influence of the spider. 

  8. 46 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

     

     

    What would you do in the following situation in that case?

    You established yourself in a nice piece of forrest, living of plants, bark and mushrooms (assuming you can), build yourself a nice little cabin to live in. One day, a couple of guys walk into your little domain, they rape and beat you up, and after chase you out of your domain and take possession of your domain.

     

     

    To be fair, we already have this now, and worse.

  9. 9 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

    The US constitution was written by just a couple of guys. As you already said yourself, people will join in once they see concrete things happening. For now, I don't have the feeling it would be beneficial for us to get more voices talking. Once we have the framework up, than its time to present it to a wider audience and start the discussions about it.

    Okay.

  10. 2 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

    The matter of money is not yet relevant at this point. We're now working on a constitution (which barely mentions monetary issues), a DD model that has no relation to money at all (it's an organizational thing) and a declaration of independence (also no relation to money).

     

    Banks have proven to be one of the main rotten apples in the basket of tyrannical apples. And in particular central banks are a great danger for freedom. So, yes, most likely they will no longer be a part of that new system.

     

    Long before banks existed, people were already using forms of money. Sea shells, gold, silver are examples of that. All that is needed for a future society of DD is to come up with the best possible form of money and have the people decide what they want. That would be a typical 95% yay vote result. With consensus like that the DD currency will be very stable and trustworthy to work with. I suggest to read up about what money really is and its history. When we start to talk about it in the future you're up to date and capable of helping to find the best solution for it.

    I was just wondering about it because you mentioned people contributing  equally for a project. But I will tabled this for later. Maybe I got a little bit ahead of myself

  11. 14 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

    Calm down my friend. Sheepy means well and is pretty much on the ball. Sometimes a little vague, but if you read twice you get it. Lets focus on getting a constitution, a working direct democracy model and a declaration of independence. Then we can start to talk to other people and convince them with our work.

    I was thinking about having a telegram group to expand the potential audience.  It is obvious that there are not enough people on here to get enough input. I do not want this to end with ideas from three or four guys. We need a wider canvas and more diverse views

  12. 1 hour ago, Ween Dwijler said:

    Yes, that could be a real issue. However, as I envision it, there would be no such thing as a government or office where LT civil servants reside. I was thinking about having people assigned or chosen to fulfill a task or manage a project only for the duration of it. For example; a community votes to build a road locally. Someone of that community volunteers or gets chosen to manage that project on behalf of the village for its duration. When the road is finished, that person has to give account of the project. Any irregularities and they will have a problem with the rest of the community.

     

    Also, you talk about an elected representative. In a direct democracy there are no elected representative. Except like in the above mentioned kind of cases. But then they are not a representative but the project manager, responsible for staying within the budget and get the best possible result for it.

     

    It illustrates clearly the difference between a representative democracy and a direct democracy. A member of the House in Washington DC can hardly be checked by the people who voted for him. Jim from West Oregon simply can't follow what his representative is doing over there.

    In a community all happens locally and the members can see on a daily basis what is going on. If anyone thinks something is wrong, they will bring it forward right there. There is almost no chance someone can push the agenda of his secret society unnoticed.

     

    Another aspect to consider is that in the example of the community decision, a budget is given. Everybody contributes his/her part. No loans taken. So, if the money is gone but the road is not there or only partly, the project manager will surely have a big problem with peers within the community. It's a matter of proper organizing things, I guess.

    I really like this idea. Although we need to define what the money system would actually be in such a situation. It certainly cannot be the current one with banks. I see no reason for the existence of banks in the modern sense

  13. 3 minutes ago, Sheepy said:

    I think you will find what you are proposing happened in Waco Texas. 

    It will happened anyway, just globally if we do not do anything. Maybe not as spectacularly as Waco but more slowly and barely perceptible to most until it is their turn. I am a realist in some way. People will not joined a movement unless they see it being actioned in reality. Look at the covid protest as an example. At the start it was just a few people, now there tens of thousand. When Icke started out, he had to cancel event else he would talk to himself. Look at him now. Had he waited for the crowd to come before plunging headlong into this he would still be waiting. Many have had this awakening process and then kept their heads down. You probably have never heard of those people.

  14. On 11/1/2021 at 10:04 PM, Golden Retriever said:

     

     

    Who do you have in mind as "really great thinkers of our time, from relevant disciplines in the sciences"

     

    I say when it comes to science we need to start from zero. The whole things is a mess and now nothing more than another propaganda arm of the death cult. Plus half of what science bring us is just materialistic B.S. Pointless to replace this consumerism culture with another one. We need to go back to basics first.

  15. 29 minutes ago, Sheepy said:

    I wouldn't get dragged down to that level where we are just pointing out we are all dead anyway, we are not actually capable of doing anything about it. Not a good path in my opinion I can see it all over the place. See what I just did?

    We are all dead anyway. we will all die. It is inevitable. I do not fear death and no one should. But more to your point, we are all dead anyway if we do not stand up and reverse this course. Do you seriously think the death cult is not going to actioned on their plans if we just shrugged and keep our heads down? They have been working on this for millennia, and they can almost taste it. There only two way out of this, they win or we win. And we will not win by pretending it is not happening

     

  16. On 11/1/2021 at 9:26 PM, ink said:

    May I ask how you intend to :

     

    • Use the internet/mobiles when this can be cut off from you rather simply (in the UK there are only 8 ISP's).
    • Get the mass to interact with your DD when they have shown themselves to be utterly based within fear and willing to do whatever media tells them.
    • On that .... how will you change the main stream media .... how would you stop it when you have zero control of it.
    • Your new DD will be made a 'terrorist group' and outlawed .... how will you overcome this.
    • Those you wish to remove will not walk away quietly .... they will burn this place before losing control .... you have plans to 'peacefully' remove the 'keys' from them.
    • 15-18% of 'humans' are born sociopaths or psychopaths .... how will you deal with them (you are talking about over 1 billion).
    • If you won't deal with them (point above) then you will return to this current point in time .... so are you happy to remove over 1 billion.
    • Has the vote of an imbecile the same right as all others .... if people are 'paid' (in whatever form .... their labour lessened etc) do those votes still count.
    • If you use computer systems to 'vote' .... how do you trust those who made the system.

     

    This is just a few quick and simple considerations .... it can go on and on!

     

    All this is a 'nice' thought experiment (I did the same about 15 years ago and got things down to one penny on all goods to pay for all which was required, no other tax) but to do it peacefully just will not happen.

    They will not let go that simply and the mass will not join you.

    In my model, there would be no media house at all. The only way to stop it is to get people to ignore it like most of us do. Is that possible? Maybe. I have my doubt personally.

    There is no way to overcome being made a terrorist group by the death cult. This is something we have to accept will happens. Hell, in many ways, we are already being made into terrorists. They have been pushing the narrative that human is bad for the planet. They are already turning truth-seekers like us into terrorists by calling us anti vaxxers,  covid deniers and many other terms. In fact we should embraced this as we are in a sense terrorist to their system as they feared us. Of course, we are not blowing up building but we are blowing up their lies and deceit. But the expectation by then is that we would have reach critical mass where it would be impossible to completely crush us all.

    Those we wish to remove are a tiny minority and they are too cowardly to burn anything down. Look around, anytime a dictator falls, they rarely burn down anything. Instead they scrambled and hide. They have no keys other  the people they control, and if the control system fails, most will desert the system. I have seen this in my own country last year, for 43 years we were under the thumb of a dictator and his minions, even when so called democracy was restored the dictator kept power through the ballot box. And during that 40 years, people fought, in different ways, against that system. Some violently while others choose the political route. Many died, some were imprisoned and tortured, some were exile while others had all their properties taken from them and some were forced to fled. But the opposition never gave up and slowly and surely chipped away at what at one time seemed an invincible system with its brutal army/militia and police system. Some in opposition felt by the wayside, seduced by the monetary offer or just grew tired and gave up. But many stuck to it and last year inflicted a complete defeat to that dictatorship, winning the election by a landslide. Many feared that the dictatorship would not accept the result and try another military coup. Instead they just melted away in the night and a peaceful transition of power took place. Of course, the new government itself is subservient to the globalist agenda but that was just a way to illustrate my point that the power that be are nothing more than coward.

    I personally do not subscribe to the idea that Man are psychopath. I think the system makes them so. I am of course not talking about the globalist death cult itself, the head of the pyramid, who are definitely psychopaths, but the regular folks who joined the army and police, politicians and judiciaries and the system bureaucracy. I believe if the system falls, they can be rehabilitated. Like some are currently being rehabilitated in my country. And if they cannot be, then they will have to face the consequence of their actions.

    What is an imbecile? Are people imbecile because the system make them so or are they born that way? Will there be any imbeciles without the globalist death cult system in place. I expect there will not be. But i may be wrong. But i rather think i am correct.

    Without the current system in place, Technology would be our servant not our master. We have to established a system where there is no reward in deceit.

     

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  17. 22 hours ago, ink said:

     

    I am not 'knocking' the concept of this thread but you have to consider HOW you can do it and IF the 'mass' will join you?

     

    Currently, from this thread, it seems to be moving too fast without addressing the base problems. It could be done in a 'free' realm but we are not in that ....... BUT it could still be done.

     

    So lets take them one by one .... If you cannot use the current internet, how will you bypass that challenge without being swiftly and violently shut down?

    Personally, I am for a small tribe system, not national or international. I do not actually believe in that. I was born before the age of the internet and until around 15 years ago did not have regular access to the internet. So I know how to connect without it on a local level. I am a member of the local freedom cell network and we meet up all the time. Now whether the globalist death cult will not crush us the moment we attempt to go global, well, i am 100 percent sure they will try. And they may well succeed. But that in no way means we should not try. I rather die trying than sit on the fence and still die anyway. They are coming for us whether we try or not. Their plan is global depopulation, with only around 500 million people left, that means that 7.5 billions of us is up for extermination. My expectation for this to succeed is that it has to be trials out by small group of people all over the world to ironed out the kinks and then be allow to spread organically. It cannot be impose as we do not have the manpower to do so, and even if we did, it would be antithesis of what we are trying to achieve. There is only two option left, either we succeed or the death cult does. The death cult will not stop now when they are the closest they have ever been to their goals, and ironically, in many ways, we, as awaken soul for lack of a better term, are the closest we ever been to success. As they say, the night is darkest just before dawn.

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  18. On 11/1/2021 at 8:28 PM, Ween Dwijler said:

    Are we going to allow political parties to exist within a DD system? Reading up on Switzerland, which by the way also has partly a representative democracy, these parties can create a problem by pushing their demands into the voting system.

     

    If no political parties are allowed within the DD system, that problem of possible abuse would be non existent. And it also seems to indicate that any form of representative democracy must be avoided, even if it is only for a little part of the total system.

     

    So, how are proposals brought forward in such a system? Can anyone propose something, no matter hoe crazy it is? Or will there be certain criteria, a kind of filter, through which the proposal has to go before it can be put up for voting?

     

    I think that every individual should have the right to launch a proposal. It first has to go through a local voting round before it can be brought into the next level. And so on until world level , or as far as needed for that particular proposal. There is no need for a local issue to be brought into a higher level.

     

    An other safety valve in DD can be the principle of consensus. One could say that a 95% yay or nay vote constitutes consensus and will therefor be accepted. Below that threshold, the proposal is simply not found viable and taken of the table. For example; the voting is needed for the build of a new nuclear power-plant that serves a whole nation. 65% yay, 30% nay, 5% abstained. Although a majority is for the build, the consensus threshold of 95% is not reached, so it will not happen. This prevents the will of the majority to overrule the voice of the minority as a first advantage of that rule, but it also prevents decisions that might be harmful for us in the longer run. Stupid decisions can be prevented that way.

    Maybe not totally taken off the table, but refined to take into account the concern of the nay. then sent back to the first step of the process(village level) to restart all over again. Maybe if it fails again then it is taken off the table completly

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