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Trevor

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  1. 12 hours ago, Ergo Storm said:

     

    Of course vaccines aren't totally safe.  I take that as a given.  I am not opposed to vaccines personally, I just oppose making them mandatory or compulsory.  It should be a personal choice, and it's a matter of weighing things up.

     

    But, I think you're being slightly disingenuous here.  Nobody here is saying that vaccines should be rejected because they are not totally safe, rather the argument is that a certain vaccine is not properly tested, that patients are being used for the purpose of market testing - in effect, they are human guinea pigs - and perfectly healthy people are falling seriously ill after receiving the vaccine.   Even if the number of people falling ill is very small in statistical terms, it's right to ask questions given all the moral pressure being brought to bear on people to submit and receive this untested vaccine.

     

    Furthermore, accepting that something is not totally safe does not mean that we should then go ahead and do it, and if we say vaccines are not totally safe, that in itself is not an assessment of risk.  The actual risks associated with a vaccine should be made transparent and publicly-known so that they can be assessed by everybody and each person can make his own decision, using his own good judgement and common sense.  It's simply not good enough to lazily say: 'Oh, nothing is totally safe'.  

    I actually agree with much of what you are saying and I am totally against any big pharma going about things the wrong way. There are many vaccines that are currently in development / testing in a whole variety of regulatory regimes. To describe them as THE vaccine, dilutes that. I agree that risks are not discussed as widely as they could be, but we have the tools at our disposal to investigate this ourselves, as everyone has no doubt done who is reading this. My own personal choice is to try and investigate as much as I ca n and I have no issues with those who do the same, but reach different conclusions. I am here to try and learn more about some of those.

  2. 24 minutes ago, perpetual said:

    You've got a point there.

    He's not read the thread yet he's already saying disagree with the general train of thought.

     

    Cognitive dissonance or something else?

    Thank you!

    I have read quite a lot... although not all.

    As I said....I am currently not agreeing with the "general" train of thought.

  3. Just now, Brad the lad said:

     

    I've had lot's of dealings with Doctors over the years Trevor and those words you use are straight from the medical Bible. I was waiting for you to give me the golden nugget they all learn in school...."even paracetomol is dangerous, there is no guarantees". Are you a Doctor? Herbal medication is very safe. Never seen anyone die from it yet mate. Unless you are unlucky and have a lavender allergy of course!

    I use no Bible. Herbal medication is indeed very safe, unless you take too much of some or too much of anything that has not been properly tested.

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  4. 1 minute ago, Basket Case said:


    You've joined because you don't agree with the general train of thought and enjoy debate ?
    Are you bored on furlough or something ?
    BC

    Thanks for the welcome!

    I joined as I welcome informed debate.

    I have been working throughout and proud to say that my company has not furloughed a single employee.

  5. Just now, makjagger said:

    That Covid wasn't man made in the labs and the vaccine is totally safe?

    As far as I am aware, no vaccine is totally safe. No medication is totally safe, no supplement is totally safe. Very few things are totally safe.

    There is no proof that Covid is man made. There are lots of theories of course. I am happy to be convinced though

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