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steveh583
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do what thou wilt is an old phrase crowley borrowed from a Franciscan friar called Rabelais, who in turn took it from St Augustine of hippo. so religious followers who slate it are in fact disregarding the work of christian pioneers
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love McKenna. especially the "nature loves courage" quote. jump into the abyss and realise its just a feather mattress.
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11 hours ago, Macnamara said:
there you go making excuses for him again. You are a crowley apologist
its just a fact not an excuse. are you saying he somehow had access to health related information the rest of the world didn't back then? seriously? There is plenty crowley can't be excuse for, prescribed medication for a health condition isn't one. if you aren't going to reply intelligently, please refrain from a childish back and forth. life and people are full of grey areas, its never black and white.
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3 hours ago, Macnamara said:
lol who do you think you are kidding!
no but you can avoid them by living a healthy life.
A study of vaccinated v's unvaccinated people has demonstrated that vaccines cause asthma as well as other problems like ear infections as these things all occur in higher numbers amongst vaccinated children
Now you tell me how great vaccines are and how great crowley is....whilst saying you aren't pursuing an agenda....
sorry you will have to point to where i said either crowley or vaccines are great. you seem to be assuming a hell of a lot. maybe you are one of those guys who could start a fight in an empty room. Crowley obv didn't have access to the scientific, nutritional and medical knowledge that is available now.
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7 hours ago, oz93666 said:
Just the impression I get from reading 'Confessions' ....By the standards of the day he was wealthy , had an inheritance from the family brewery , but for someone with a lavish life style , traveling all over the world , never working , it would never be enough .... His abbey in Chefalu was very grotty , I'm sure he was embarrassed by it and had dreams of something grander. Many of his magical workings were aimed at remedying his financial plight.
sounds about right. he lived outside of his means and openly admitted it. but he wasn't quite the destitute living in a slum his detractors portray towards the end.
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12 hours ago, Macnamara said:
i thought you guys were all about 'discipline'
go on make an excuse for the guy...
you know hes not my friend right? I'm not defending anyone, merely discussing an interesting subject from a well researched, pragmatic standpoint. its you who seems to have a horse in this race.
Saying that, I dont think you can "discipline" asthma and bronchitis
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Just now, Macnamara said:
that was probably for his next skag deal
lol his skag was on prescription as was common for in those days. his addiction was perfectly legal
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On 1/14/2021 at 4:31 PM, Macnamara said:
I think that one is in his confessions
In those he breaks down religions in a very analytical way which demonstrates that he built his own religion from the ground up based on the component parts that he identified that a religion should have right down to the revelatory moment which he claimed occurred in a hotel room in egypt
i have confessions. there isnt
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12 hours ago, oz93666 said:
It was never suggested Lam was Crowley's HGA ....
Lam was just one of a long list of beings Crowley came in contact through his magical workings .... Many ran him ragged , on false treasure hunts , they directed him to travel far and wide promising fortune or buried treasure was waiting (Crowley was skint most of his life and the promise of money could just motivate him to put down his opium pipe and get moving)..
Anyway , Crowley contacted Lam in a "Sex magic working" in 1918 in NY ... Crowley believed Lam to be the soul of a dead Tibetan Lama , and that Lam was to "Fulfil " the work initiated by Aiwass (Thelema and the book of the Law) ...That was something else Crowley was always dreaming of , some way to kick start his religion , which was going nowhere ...
It was another false promise , and Lam didn't Fulfil anything ...
It was almost certainly demons or ET psychics behind all these contacts , they knew how to press Crowley's buttons.
Here's the picture of Lam Crowley drew at the time .... Modern critics have said it's a Grey , but the eyes are all wrong .
out of interest, who told you crowley was skint most of his life? I have heard differing accounts. i know he was a bankrupt, but that was towards his winter years. and during his stay at netherwood he still received subs from OTO and american supporters. when he died, £400 was found in a shoebox under his bed, given to him for the future publication of magick without tears. thus kind of indicating a) his misfortunes were overstated, b)his restraint was still in tact when required
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it depends how you define anti - christ i suppose. i have met many people who are anti - christianity.
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On 1/11/2021 at 12:28 PM, MarpatV2 said:
Yes, his agenda was to spread thelema. Thelema is actually anti control because it puts the emphasis on the individual to do their true will. Read Liber Oz to see what its about. Thelemites dont need to argue about it being about personal liberty because the book of the law clearly states it is exactly that. There are 4 virtues of thelema, love, light, life and liberty. Do you think these are bad?
Crowley was controversial because he stood against many of the norms of the society he lived in. Look at how many people abuse Icke, saying he is a tool of the devil and a false prophet, etc. Crowley wasnt perfect and his sense of humour got him into trouble. He made mistakes but he was only human.
So, are you judging the man by his fruits or by the things that are written about him to slander him?
I post this in a previous thread and think its applicable here
never has there been more misinformation written about a single person in history that crowley. Basically he was the victim of the worlds first smear campaign by the media (who were offended by his open bisexuality and criticism of the church). The same media you lot still criticise for their treatment of icke. All of you who still believe such twaddle are the same as the sheep who dismiss icke instantly. Its not like there aren't credible biographies covering his (unbelievably action packed) life, or people who worked with him like israelie regardie who will give you a more practical perspective.
He wasn't a satanist, he was a thelemite. He wouldn't have given any credence to satanism as this would lend credibility to christianity, something he'd loath to do. He certainly wasn't a "nice" guy, he was selfish, silly and had a ridiculous ego.....but he wasn't evil. Basically he was a trust fund brat, and that attitude spilled over into his work meaning he couldn't walk the path he preached.
If you read his actual work it is surprisingly tame and more in the lines of hindu/daoist philosophy. Many people will misquote "do what that wilt" as if its hedonistic, when it actually means "find your divine purpose" IE find your true calling in life. They will also quote a single line about "sacrificing 150 children a year" which is a joke referencing masturbation because he was bound by the literacy laws of the age. if they bothered to read the rest of the chapter, he signs it off basically stating only a complete idiot would take this seriously.
crowley was a impish raconteur, as was the popular writing influence of the age (Oscar wilde?) and didn't suffer fools gladly so was happy to encourage his ridiculous reputation.
Here is his quotes on black magic :
Black magic is not a myth. It is a totally unscientific and emotional form of magic, but it does get results — of an extremely temporary nature. The recoil upon those who practice it is terrific.
It is like looking for an escape of gas with a lighted candle. As far as the search goes, there is little fear of failure!
To practice black magic you have to violate every principle of science, decency, and intelligence. You must be obsessed with an insane idea of the importance of the petty object of your wretched and selfish desires.
I have been accused of being a "black magician." No more foolish statement was ever made about me. I despise the thing to such an extent that I can hardly believe in the existence of people so debased and idiotic as to practice it.on the media :
To read a newspaper is to refrain from reading something worth while. The natural laziness of the mind tempts one to eschew authors who demand a continuous effort of intelligence. The first discipline of education must therefore be to refuse resolutely to feed the mind with canned chatter.
People tell me that they must read the papers so as to know what is going on. In the first place, they could hardly find a worse guide. Most of what is printed turns out to be false, sooner or later. Even when there is no deliberate deception, the account must, from the nature of the case, be presented without adequate reflection and must seem to possess an importance which time shows to be absurdly exaggerated; or vice versa. No event can be fairly judged without background and perspective.-
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27 minutes ago, oz93666 said:
"V a female counter " to NAZI phallic salute ...
If you see "V" as the female genitals (possible) then this is not a counter ... but an invitation to be shagged by hitler ..
Ever played that game rock , paper scissors ? ... "V" is a pair of scissors ..
Churchill was waving a pair of scissors in Hitlers face ... "I'm going to cut off your erection "
i think it was more in terms of negating the aggressive male energy with its opposing force. But its all mere speculation, theres no proof other than crowleys words, and he was known to tell a good tale.
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Given to fly...
it is like he was recommended as the man to interrogate hess by (bond author) ian flemming who at the time worked for MI5. tho his reputation discouraged the authorities from using him. He claimed he invented churchills V for victory sign as a female counter to the nazis phallic salute.
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the documentary is sensationalist at best, and never has there been more misinformation written about a single person in history that crowley. Basically he was the victim of the worlds first smear campaign by the media (who were offended by his open bisexuality and criticism of the church). The same media you lot still criticise for their treatment of icke. All of you who still believe such twaddle are the same as the sheep who dismiss icke instantly. Its not like there aren't credible biographies covering his (unbelievably action packed) life, or people who worked with him like israelie regardie who will give you a more practical perspective.
He wasn't a satanist, he was a thelemite. He wouldn't have given any credence to satanism as this would lend credibility to christianity, something he'd loath to do. He certainly wasn't a "nice" guy, he was selfish, silly and had a ridiculous ego.....but he wasn't evil. Basically he was a trust fund brat, and that attitude spilled over into his work meaning he couldn't walk the path he preached.
If you read his actual work it is surprisingly tame and more in the lines of hindu/daoist philosophy. Many people will misquote "do what that wilt" as if its hedonistic, when it actually means "find your divine purpose" IE find your true calling in life. They will also quote a single line about "sacrificing 150 children a year" which is a joke referencing masturbation because he was bound by the literacy laws of the age. if they bothered to read the rest of the chapter, he signs it off basically stating only a complete idiot would take this seriously.
crowley was a impish raconteur, as was the popular writing influence of the age (Oscar wilde?) and didn't suffer fools gladly so was happy to encourage his ridiculous reputation.
Here is his quotes on black magic :
Black magic is not a myth. It is a totally unscientific and emotional form of magic, but it does get results — of an extremely temporary nature. The recoil upon those who practice it is terrific.
It is like looking for an escape of gas with a lighted candle. As far as the search goes, there is little fear of failure!
To practice black magic you have to violate every principle of science, decency, and intelligence. You must be obsessed with an insane idea of the importance of the petty object of your wretched and selfish desires.
I have been accused of being a "black magician." No more foolish statement was ever made about me. I despise the thing to such an extent that I can hardly believe in the existence of people so debased and idiotic as to practice it.on the media :
To read a newspaper is to refrain from reading something worth while. The natural laziness of the mind tempts one to eschew authors who demand a continuous effort of intelligence. The first discipline of education must therefore be to refuse resolutely to feed the mind with canned chatter.
People tell me that they must read the papers so as to know what is going on. In the first place, they could hardly find a worse guide. Most of what is printed turns out to be false, sooner or later. Even when there is no deliberate deception, the account must, from the nature of the case, be presented without adequate reflection and must seem to possess an importance which time shows to be absurdly exaggerated; or vice versa. No event can be fairly judged without background and perspective.-
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British Spirituality : William Blake : Taoism : Aleister Crowley
in Nature Of Reality
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history says different.
Admirer of Erasmus, handling parody and satire, Rabelais fights for tolerance, peace, an evangelical faith and the return to the knowledge of ancient Greco-Roman, beyond the "Gothic darkness" that characterizes the Middle Ages, taking up the theses of Plato to counter the excesses of Aristotelianism. He attacks the abuses of princes and men of the Church, and opposes to them on the one hand evangelical humanist thought, and on the other hand popular culture, bawdy, "joking", marked by the taste of wine and games, thus manifesting a humble and open Christian faith, far from any ecclesiastical weight. He shared with Protestantism the criticism of scholasticism and monasticism, but the religious reformer John Calvin also attacked him in 1550.