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  1. 29 minutes ago, rideforever said:

    I don't know if this counts, but in Brighton there has been a large increase in c***-behaviour all around.  From people moving in, moving out, neighbours, people in the streets ... abuse and nastiness of all sorts.  Many people I follow around the world experiencing the same.

    The shitness in people is magnified by the insanity going on.


    I was down in Brighton a few months ago. Got targeted alot down there.


    I think the nastiness is pretty much global. I saw an interesting meme once stating, in a much better way, that folk everywhere had become more aggressive and put it down to the advent of wifi. I've noticed a change in folk generally since wifi landed in the mid 2000s. I would hazard that it was, in some ways, a precursor to the current situation. 


    I've noted that wifi directly affects the chest region. Likely due to this being the most powerful electromagnetic centre in the human biofield that must now work much harder as it's the primary motor that's been weakened. This has a direct affect on folks ability to be compassionate. This and that together...not good.

  2. 9 minutes ago, HAARPING_On said:



    Just seen this on the front of the Mail while walking past a newsagent’s at lunch... very encouraging to see the pushback in the comments section against ”proof of vaccination” being required to enter pubs, restaurants bars & cinemas etc... we live in hope.


    That's horrendous. Hopefully it'll fall flat on it's face

  3. Just listening to Radio 4 in the car. Only because I've lost my SD card so have no tunes to listen to. They were having a call in and folk were saying how they're coping etc. One old lady was asked if she was eager to have the vaccine when it drops. "I'd like to but I've still not recovered from the last flu jab I had". She went on to say that she had M.E. (still psychological as far as the NHS are concerned) so the presenter exclaimed that "oh it's different for you then because of low immunity". Aren't the vulnerable, old etc top of the list and supposedly need it more than others because of a poorer functioning immune system? Quickly onto the next caller...

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  4. 1 hour ago, oz93666 said:

    OK .... A question we can get our teeth into ! .... K answers it very sloppily .... rambling and imprecise ....


    The truth about our pchological confusion, angers, hatred and the like. Why are humans in so much inward conflict? That seems pretty clear and not at all abstract. K would not deny that practical knowledge, or truth as you put it, is indeed necessary.


    1 hour ago, oz93666 said:

    " Guru " is a teacher of Yoga ... that is the definition of the word .... HE can teach YOGA .... But some people make the mistake in thinking such people are 'enlightened' know everything and can  tell you how to run your life ... a big error! 


    Where did you find that meaning of the word? Generally, it refers to dispeller of darkness- In Sanskrit, guru means literally dispeller of darkness. I've never heard it referred to as a yoga teacher. Either or, here the meaning we're attributing is obvious. If you wish to be pedantic, do so, but it doesn't alter the quote's meaning, obviously.


    1 hour ago, oz93666 said:

    If you want to know the truth about non physical dimensions , then you ask the experts on the subject .. people who journey there , Astral travelers . They will tell you their experiences and conclusions they have arrived at about the "truths" that govern  these realms 


    I've watched a few of Monroe's videos. Thought they were interesting. Some of it seemed true. For me, it does not hold any value. My interest is to end my inward conflict. I'm not saying no one should find any value in it though. Just like when we seek out a guru, or spiritual authority if that's a better way of describing it, we seek according to our desires and predjudices. Unless someone has set all that aside, physical wold reality aside (and that can be disagreed on), then how can anyone know that what he sees is not a projection of those predjuduces and desires? I would say that often they probably aren't but also that you can see only according to your limitations. But this all by the by. Have these astral travelling experts ended their inward conflict?


    1 hour ago, oz93666 said:

    So what can K teach ??? He doesn't do Yoga ... Doesn't do anything , just a lot of rambling words , like Osho or Watts . They can teach you nothing about the truth of anything .


    K did yoga daily when he was alive. Showed a few moves to a few friends but was not a teacher of it. I wouldn't put Osho or Watts in the same category but you're free to.


    So which are the rambling words?

  5. Can truth be found through another?
    Question: You say that gurus are unnecessary, but how can I find truth without the wise help and guidance which only a guru can give?
    Jiddu Krishnamurti: The question is whether a guru is necessary or not. Can truth be found through another? Some say it can and some say it cannot. We want to know the truth of this, not my opinion as against the opinion of another. I have no opinion in this matter. Either it is so or it is not. Whether it is essential that you should or should not have a guru is not a quest1on of opinion. The truth of the matter is not dependent on opinion, however profound, erudite, popular, universal. The truth of the matter is to be found out, in fact.
    First of all, why do we want a guru? We say we need a guru because we are confused and the guru is helpful; he will point out what truth is, he will help us to understand, he knows much more about life than we do, he will act as a father, as a teacher to instruct us in life; he has vast experience and we have but little; he will help us through his greater experience and so on and on. That is, basically, you go to a teacher because you are confused. If you were clear, you would not go near a guru.
    Obviously if you were profoundly happy, if there were no problems, if you understood life completely, you would not go to any guru. I hope you see the significance of this. Because you are confused, you seek out a teacher. You go to him to give you a way of life to clarify your own confusion, to find truth. You choose your guru because you are confused and you hope he will give you what you ask. That is you choose a guru who will satisfy your demand; you choose according to the gratification he will give you and your choice is dependent on your gratification.
    You do not choose a guru who says, ''Depend on yourself; you choose him according to your prejudices. So since you choose your guru according to the gratification he gives you, you are not seeking truth but a way out of confusion; and the way out of confusion is mistakenly called truth.
    Let us examine first this idea that a guru can clear up our confusion. Can anyone clear up our confusion? - confusion being the product of our responses. We have created it. Do you think someone else has created it - this misery, this battle at all levels of existence, within and without? It is the result of our own lack of knowledge of ourselves. It is because we do not understand ourselves, our conflicts, our responses, our miseries, that we go to a guru whom we think will help us to be free of that confusion.
    We can understand ourselves only in relationship to the present; and that relationship itself is the guru not someone outside. If I do not understand that relationship, whatever a guru may say is useless, because if I do not understand relationship, my relationship to property, to people, to ideas, who can resolve the conflict within me? To resolve that conflict, I must understand it myself, which means I must be aware of myself in relationship. To be aware, no guru is necessary. If I do not know myself, of what use is a guru? As a political leader is chosen by those who are in confusion and whose choice therefore is also confused, so I choose a guru. I can choose him only according to my confusion; hence he, like the political leader, is confused.
    What is important is not who is right - whether I am right or whether those are right who say a guru is necessary; to find out why you need a guru is important. Gurus exist for exploitation of various kinds, but that is irrelevant. It gives you satisfaction if someone tells you how you are progressing, but to find out why you need a guru - there lies the key. Another can point out the way but you have to do all the work, even if you have a guru. Because you do not want to face that, you shift the responsibility to the guru.
    The guru becomes useless when there is a particle of self-knowledge. No guru, no book or scripture, can give you self-knowledge: it comes when you are aware of yourself in relationship. To be, is to be related; not to understand relationship is misery, strife. Not to be aware of your relationship to property is one of the causes of confusion. If you do not know your right relationship to property there is bound to be conflict, which increases the conflict in society.
    If you do not understand the relationship between yourself and your wife, between yourself and your child, how can another resolve the conflict arising out of that relationship? Similarly with ideas, beliefs and so on. Being confused in your relationship with people, with property, with ideas, you seek a guru. If he is a real guru, he will tell you to understand yourself. You are the source of all misunderstanding and confusion; and you can resolve that conflict only when you understand yourself in relationship.
    You cannot find truth through anybody else. How can you? Truth is not something static; it has no fixed abode; it is not an end, a goal. On the contrary, it is living, dynamic, alert, alive. How can it be an end? If truth is a fixed point it is no longer truth; it is then a mere opinion. Truth is the unknown, and a mind that is seeking truth will never find it, for mind is made up of the known, it is the result of the past, the outcome of time - which you can observe for yourself. Mind is the instrument of the known, hence it cannot find the unknown; it can only move from the known to the known.
    When the mind seeks truth, the truth it has read about in books, that 'truth' is self-projected; for then the mind is merely in pursuit of the known, a more satisfactory known than the previous one. When the mind seeks truth, it is seeking its own self-projection, not truth. After all, an ideal is self-projected; it is fictitious, unreal. What is real is what is, not the opposite. But a mind that is seeking reality, seeking God, is seeking the known. When you think of God, your God is the projection of your own thought, the result of social influences. You can think only of the known; you cannot think of the unknown, you cannot concentrate on truth.
    The moment you think of the unknown, it is merely the self-projected known. God or truth cannot be thought about. If you think about it, it is not truth. Truth cannot be sought: it comes to you. You can go only after what is known. When the mind is not tortured by the known, by the effects of the known, then only can truth reveal itself. Truth is in every leaf, in every tear; it is to be known from moment to moment. No one can lead you to truth; and if anyone leads you, it can only be to the known.
    Truth can only come to the mind that is empty of the known. It comes in a state in which the known is absent, not functioning. The mind is the warehouse of the known, the residue of the known; for the mind to be in that state in which the unknown comes into being, it must be aware of itself, of its previous experiences, the conscious as well as the unconscious, of its responses, reactions, and structure. When there is complete self-knowledge, then there is the ending of the known, then the mind is completely empty of the known. It is only then that truth can come to you uninvited.
    Truth does not belong to you or to me. You cannot worship it. The moment it is known, it is unreal. The symbol is not real, the image is not real; but when there is the understanding of self, the cessation of self, then eternity comes into being.
  6. 4 hours ago, notta govt zombie said:

    the theosophists were like any other religion/cult...rank and file believers controlled by the crooks at the top...K was a big disappointment to the TS , as was rudolf steiner ;

    they wanted K to be the reincarnation of JC and rudolf to be the reincarnation of john the baptist. So , the globalists' big attempt in the C20 international religion , was

    a decided flop. Rudolf told them to fcuk off and he started his own group .Those blue books by Bailey are globalist doctrine , especially The  Externalisation of the Hierarchy.

    K was right , why would you ever need some guy in bed sheets with a dot on his head,  to tell you do do anything ?...everybody has to learn to be their own authority.

    Look at the root of that word...auto = self. You are either self-directed or you are somebody's slave. You only have to see what the fabian champagne socialists teach at 

    the loonyversities these days , to know how these sheeple think. Check out the Leipzig Model of Education...ref...john taylor gatto.

    If you want to find the fundament of the source of reality , go and look in the fukn mirror and WTFU. Cheers.


    Theosophy isn't needed so we move on. Yeah, Leadbeater said the World Teacher thing had gone wrong. Obviously because K denied their hiearchy and Leabeater didn't like that. Still, K was well fed, had is teeth strasightened etc bla. Physical needs were taken care of and they couldn't touch his mind so their nonesense didn't matter. K was in a poor state when they found him so needed looking after on a physical level. Besant didn't turn her back on K ever so if she's Theosophy then not all did. But it wouldn't have mattered if they had.


    I'm no Theosophist and had no time for Bailey. You say K was right and I agree in part. We are our own teachers. He likened himself, in one instance, to be a telephone ha. You can use it but you don't worship it or put it on a pedestal. All authority is corrupt in the sense of being above us. Difference between function and authority though.


    If I read something by K and understand it, it is my understanding and therefore I have taught myself. I could not deny that on my own, I wouldn't have gotten that understanding but it was still me that allowed myself to teach myself. That's the difference. Not that we don't need to be exposed to that intelligence. It would be better if we didn't but apparently we do as it's a bit of a mess round these ere parts eh.


    I'm not sure if you've even heard the teachings? What is about them that grates, if you have?


    Waking up is certainly on the agenda. Thanks for the advice on how to do it though I reckon I'll be looking a while and I aint as pretty as I once was. Get the feeling none of us are awake. Had a quick look at the Leipzig thing. Not sure how that factors in? Thanks to you too :)

  7. I'm subbed on youtube and facebook. Intelligent lady and pioneer in her field. Very interesting what she finds in the aura using tuning forks. I understand better now what your referring to by charged body of trauma and experience. Further out in the biofield/aura she goes, the closer to birth. We do carry the pains and it weighs on us. Folk supposedly feel lighter after a session as the biofield blocks are reduced. Every video she does has interesting new insights. Great to have her on board with the Electric Universe crew as well.

  8. @killing raven sun I'm not anti Tolle but I don't find his words work for me but i think he would call what you're suggesting, the pain body. I'm a believer in the gut/brain axis and hence the gut's affect on the mind. The body must be healthy because it takes harmonious physical energy, a healthy pineal etc to free the mind of it's conditioning. Mercury fillings affect the mind in a big way. I feel we must come at this from the physical angle as well as the mind. No amount of reading or learning will get around a body not in vibrant health. No amount of physical health will get around a mind stuck in the word, eh?

  9. 13 minutes ago, killing raven sun said:

    nonsense, fear should be subdued as much as possible, its ok to act in the face of danger but not in fear


    Subdued? I prefer understood. It is OK to act in the face of danger. Problem is that we psychologise that fear. Fear of falling off a cliff won't be psychologised. But fear of being beat up and reacting can turn into kicking someone in the head even though you've already fended them off. Psychological fear means that defense becomes attack via anger or hatred. Physical fear of the precipice or rattle snake does not produce psychological aberations but rather a healthy desire to survive.


    We can calm those psychological fears as you say. The human has taken the natural animal fear and made it psychological. So war, as means to protect territory, goes from defense to attack.


    To quote "if you have lived peacefully your whole lives, you will do the right thing when attacked". But we don't and so the end result is not peaceful intelligent defense but further brutal attack. Therefore we are responsible for the outcome even if we are attacked first.

  10. 35 minutes ago, killing raven sun said:

    well, yes, its the order of the universe, nature, and you break its laws to your peril


    I wasn't meaning in that respect, exactly. By hard fast system, I mean, it does not take a set amount of time for any one person, myself for instance, to go from darkness to light. I will not, for instance, definitely live 100 lives of a set amount of years till enlightenment is allowed. I could longer, it could be shorter. Point being, that some dgree of it is down to me in the here and now. I trust, that what I would call the Dao, will adjust, put in to birth with whom I need etc that will be the fastest route but not a set route else there's no freedom in the sense you ascribe to it. More clear? Or just as wrong :)


    35 minutes ago, killing raven sun said:

    well, this is true as you are always in the "heart" of the universe, your disconnection cannot be complete while you are here, and as for location, of course you are always/never in the heart of an infinite universe


    Oh yes, definitely constantly attended. I do not dismiss the experience. There is a line in the Dao De Jing, put in better words but as I can recall it now: can you allow a dificuly course to run it's route? Glad I heard it. Also, another one: there is a time for safety, a time for danger and more but you get the point perhaps? Hard to discern my own mind chatter from that which is meant for me to know or hear as a means to move out of a situation. When I left where I lived, I laughed as the first number plate coming toward me read "DAO".


    36 minutes ago, killing raven sun said:

    it is not your burden to undo wrongs, just focus on the right and the righteousness of the universe will fix all wrongs


    By wrongs, I mean social conditioning. By focussing on the right, if I'm serious about it and not just playing with words, that conditioning ends. And, we've all hurt folk and nowt wrong with making good.


  11. 9 minutes ago, oz93666 said:

    The distortion is in the example you gave ..YOU implied Murtie  said there is psychological fear and physical fear ... 


    Let's be clear, I don't represent his words in any way. I may have a view on them but I may be distorting it. To use my words to prove someone else is wrong is stretching it, to say the least. You seem to be deflecting as, I guess, you don't want to quote K.


    I'll try and explain as I see it though don't assume this is how K would present it.


    Regarding physical fear, look at the animal kingdom. Animals live with the possibility of being eaten at any point so there is physical fear and it's healthy and keeps them alive. But they do not translate this into hating their predator or going back to the den depressed and morose because some gits trying to eat them.

  12. 3 minutes ago, Illmatic said:

    But for that same reason if I see something I don't entirely like/agree with even from someone I on the whole support I'll say it. Creating echo chambers where everyone in the club is always right and you're afraid to step out of line just never ends well.



  13. 9 minutes ago, Illmatic said:

    To be honest my view of him has always been that he does great work exposing a lot of uncomfortable truths so he deserves a lot of credit for that. But he does have a tendency at times to jump on spicy topics like 5G and virus exosomes presenting things as fact before he's really justified in doing so. This video is another good example of some slightly questionable stuff.


    I believe he's a good man doing a service to the world, but this is still his business and his brand and he's one of the biggest in the game so I think it merits a pinch of salt at times.


    I'll tell you what i like about DI and this forum. I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing with you or pulling you up.


    Somewhere, there should exist a platform where difficult topics, off the wall topics and perceived dissident topics should be aired and discussed. This is that platform. If DI were not willing to entertain them, we could not either. In some respects, it's then helpful if DI believes in the more out there topics else they wouldn't be allowed. Whether he's always right or sometimes wrong, only time will tell. For now, the more ingredients the better

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  14. 5 hours ago, oz93666 said:

    Exactly ...His "solutions" are no solutions .... How is "self enquiry" going to get people out of the covid trap most are in ??   ...I suppose the goal is to over come fear ? No! Fear is a sensible response to the prospect of being forcibly injected with nanochips which will turn you into a cyborg! Fear is your biology's way of getting your attention ... Telling you urgent action is required to stay alive . 


    Find a paragraph or speech he gave and point out it's falsehoods. Otherwise it's ad hominem isn't it?


    As I see it the goal is not to overcome physical fear, which as you say is necessary, but psychological fear. You could almost be quoting him.


    5 hours ago, oz93666 said:


    Man is a divine being , pure ..... External influence from the dark spirit realm is the cause of problems , along with ET/Cabal electronic mind control....


    If he were pure, he could not be touched by any outside influence that is of a lower nature. If so, then all heaven, or whatever one likes to call it, is up for grabs.

  15. 35 minutes ago, oz93666 said:


    This is the  sort of southing pap Leadbeater would have trained Krishnamurti to spout to his followers , just like Osho and Watts  Leadbeater understood it's what people love to hear , it it does contain some wisdom ...Some.


    The Extraterrestrial controllers of this planet will promote and support such movements , the material is reassuring and sidelines those on a spiritual path , and never addresses the real problem we have , or offers a solution to that problem ... that problem is the continuing  covert enslavement of humanity by dark forces.  


    It's the introduction on the video. I thought I'd post it so folk could decide for themselves. The article above contains truths, half truth and too many faklsehoods to mention. The quote is also edited. The Notebook which it's from was a different book in that it contained the mystical side of his life. Better really, and more constructive, to point out exactly what is wrong with the words.


    Leadbeater was indeed a man of questionable character though K claimed, contrary to the article, that no funny sexual buisness ever occurred with him. Also, it states there numerous "trained" messiahs. There was one other. CWL and Besant had been told to look for a vehicle so they did. The first boy was set aside when K was seen. Regardless of character, Leadbeater likely was able to view auras and selfishness has colours. K had none unlike anyone else he'd ever seen so it became obvious to him that he was the vehicle. Also stated in the video and portrayed differently in the article.


    From what I can tell, it was not possible to train or influence K in any way. Vacancy was something that remained his whole life. He says in the video that Theosophy and all that jargon never touched him. Critique his words by all means. I think that's fair



  16. 3 minutes ago, killing raven sun said:

    every message you receive is from the future perfect self instructing you toward perfection, in the Mind universe there is no "other", we are everything, and we are infinite immutable individuals participating in creating infinite universal experience


    Aint that the truth. It's no hard fast system though is it? There isn't a set time for when you pass through the gate to the heart of the Universe. Whatever one wants to call it may instruct through experience and appear when ready to learn but still gotta get it right down here. Or, undo the wrong. F up, it adjusts. Opportunity is always provided I see.

  17. 3 minutes ago, killing raven sun said:

    looking for good is definitely part of the problem, the proper way to approach "the soup" is with appreciation, in this way all things can be understood more completely and with less emotion, love and hate, good vs evil, these block perception at all times


    I agree.


    4 minutes ago, killing raven sun said:

    your proclamation is most of the truth behind the words, the mind is there for you to control, your material form proceeds from the mind, there is some lag but over time you become what you think you are, its the same as energy healing, reiki, if i think you feel better then soon you will


    Not sure about exercising control of the mind other than don't think stupid shit. I feel I've readied that terrain. Just need to heal the body which I can do regardless of what I think. I understand what you mean though. A person who is aggressive for many years begins to look more and more menacing and the opposite of that being looking peasceful. Did my Reiki one. Great experience.


    15 minutes ago, killing raven sun said:

    you continue to become a more defined self which gains greater and greater understanding of the material universe


    I've noted that as lifeforms become more complex they learn how to control more complex systems. Driving and fixing a car is in itself a lesson in alchemy. Singled celled organisms just split. Birds nurture young and up it goes with increasing degrees of complexity. The rest in that para sounds right so not totally sure how what I said was wrong as it didn't exclude what you said.

  18. Silence grew and became intense, wider and deeper. The brain which had listened to the silence of the hills, fields and groves was itself now silent. It had become quiet, naturally, without any enforcement. It was still, deep within itself; like a bird that folds its wings, it had folded upon itself; it had entered into depths which were beyond itself. It was a dimension which the brain could not capture or understand. And there was no observer, witnessing this depth. Every part of one's whole being was alert, sensitive but intensely still. This new, this depth was expanding, exploding, going away, developing in its own explosions; out of time and beyond space.




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