[60 GHz and oxygen]

Yes , this is an old well known and popular graph  that only shows that oxygen absorbs 60 GHz EM energy in an article explaining also why it is being used- does not say anything about what happens to oxygen after it has absorbed the radiation and whether it can be used by the blood. That is the problem, that what the statement says and what I haven't found any evidence for.

A couple of years ago I found a forum discussion where it was said that the 60 GHz only causes a very short lived spin change that would decay extremely rapidly and does not change the chemical properties of oxygen.
Also, it is a very bold statement which does not mention any calculations about what percentage of oxygen molecules would be affected by a normal microwave intensity.
I think we have to get down to proper arguments if we want to make statements with any authority.

[60 GHz and oxygen]

Hi,

This is an old subject that I thought had been sorted out.
I have just seen the title of an article on 5G and government (quite good ) but in the text I have not seen a reference to the famous 60 GHz problem.
When this first came out I have looked at various articles on that and apart from the fact that when this  came out (as Fact) not much 60GHz was used, especially in the UK,
I found studies on the effect of this wavelength on oxygen molecules, but nothing that implied that oxygen subjected to this frequency would be prevented from binding to haemoglobin.
I have been embarrassed when talking to other people I have been asked for evidence and I have found none.
The changes caused by this irradiation seem to be first of all extremely short lived, and secondly that frequency is strongly absorbed by human tissues, so by the time the oxygen molecule reaches the lungs it would be just as effective.
If there are studies proving that 60 GHz stops humans absorbing oxygen (declared as fact) could anyone please refer me to them?

Many thanks, I think we must be given accurate information to back up our statements  and not be discredited.

Wishing more successful campaigning for 2024

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Thank you guys, very interesting stuff;  it seems proof of effects of microwaves (and electromagnetic waves in general) on living organisms is more than verified, and it takes place through a variety of mechanisms, some understood and some not yet.  However the issue in question is whether oxygen that has been exposed to a 60GHz irradiation

cannot be bound efficiently enough by haemoglobin to be transported to the cells needing it.
So far all these papers show negative effects on the cells themselves, some on the very haemoglobin,  but not on this particular process.
There are enough other reasons to refuse this development.
So far I can only think that this statement has appeared because of an association like ' oxygen is being interfered with so that must be a problem' ; in a way it's like saying that water heated in a microwave oven cannot be absorbed by the gut (oops! I don't really know but I doubt it).

Also, even if it was the case, try and calculate how many oxygen molecules would be excited by a reasonable 60GHz RF intensity and what percentage of the available oxygen this would be (in the open) - would this be enough to cause oxygen deprivation symptoms?

(I haven't done it yet, but I think there would be enough free oxygen left over around).
Bottom line, I am absolutely against WiFi, routers, 5G (for other reasons as well) , I am just about running my computer and printer via cable and I don't use Facebook , Twitter etc. , my phone is mostly on airplane mode and I don't have an iPad; however if we want to make a scientific statement about this particular item I haven't seen any evidence yet.
By the way, a good site for some declassifed research on this is : https://archive.org/search.php?query=biological+effects+of+microwaves&page=2

Try it out, it's all free, it's a site with tons of digitized documents and out of copyright books.

All the best

Riccardo

P.S. Any of you in Kent possibly around Folkestone? I am trying to find other people to form a group for discussion/ what to do next.

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Thank you oz93666 for making an effort to search - as you say, this does not change much about the dangers of the 5G development, it's just that if we know better about what is involved with evidence we can probably get more allies rejecting this intentional disaster and in the worst case (the installation going on) we might be able to protect ourselves in an appropriate way. Critics and 'skeptics' will take any chances we give them.

All the best, please let me know if you find something about this in the future.

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Well, it's strange that hard science is so difficult to find - just one single experiment that nobody can mention?
Also, 60 GHz is strongly absorbed by tissues (penetration depth of a few mm) and it's doubtful that any significant intensity would reach the lungs, so if anything the oxygen would have to be in an excited state when it reaches the lungs through the bronchi. However, the excited state itself is likely to last a very short time and have decayed by the time the lungs have been reached, so where is the problem with haemoglobin? Very unlikely to be in the lungs.
If anything, something might happen in the surface capillaries, but that is not what the statement implies. I am afraid it looks more and more as an unproven claim.
Which is ok, it's fine to have hunches and then try to prove them, it shows we are thinking.
What does David say? Question Everything. I am doing just that.
The article on absorption by oxygen in tyhe air is neither here nor there, this has been known for a long time, no surprise.

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Very interesting stuff, thank you for the replies; However, I might have not phrased the question properly with: 

'the impairment of oxygen absorption by haemoglobin following irradiation by 60 GHz RF' .

Maybe it would be better put as :

'How does the absorption of 60GHz by oxygen interfere with oxygen binding by haemoglobin, which is what I understand is being claimed?'
I am not talking about exposure of the body to 60 GHz, the statement seems to refer to the effect on the oxygen molecule itself.

 

I am still looking for studies on this, no luck so far.

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Thank you guys for those comments and the links, especially for the Fioranelli articles; strange I might have missed it) I didn't see a reference to the Monagnier paper

'DNA Waves and Water'   https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/306/1/012007/pdf 

I found some time ago, which puts another alarming perspective to the 5G disaster.

However, I am sorry to say none of these mention the possible effect of 60GHz on the absorption of axygen by haemoglobin.

I hope this is not an equivalent of the phantom 'isolation of Coronavirus' which is nowhere to be found (so far).

Thank you anyway, if you find more please let me know.

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Hi, can anyone help me locate research articles showing the impairment of oxygen absorption by haemoglobin following irradiation by 60 GHz RF?
It is well known that oxygen in the air absorbs the radiation, but what happens to it after that, when it enters the lungs?
How long does the excited state last, will it reach the lungs and what parameter will prevent the binding to haemoglobin?

I am asked questions I would like to answer.

Suggestions welcome.

Riccardo