Comedy Time

Listen. YOU are the one claiming it doesn't exist. People who work on viruses say it does. They have isolated it and there are numerous places stating the same thing. All you are doing is saying they are lying. Take the fast tracked untested vaccine for this? I'd rather inject putrid pisswater into my veins. Does that clarify my position?

There are numerous study teams telling the world they have isolated it and are working on a vaccine for it. If they are lying YOU need to prove that. It's hardly a realistic request that they stuff it out for you to look at to verify they have done it. YOU are claiming it is a negative, you need to show why they are lying and more importantly why. I mean, why is is so unlikely that they can isolate another coronavirus? We've moved the goalposts slightly. You said it hadn't been isolated, I gave you links that it had, you claimed they weren't valid methods and failed to demonstrate why. You need to reread that. It says there is no gold standard for diagnosis. It doesn't say what you claimed, that the actual methodology for isolating the virus was not a gold standard. You said "RT-PCR is not considered the gold standard by virologists. " Edit: detecting something (diagnosis) is not the same as isolating it for further testing. A test to isolate RNA when Sars-2 is RNA - now either show a reason why that is not valid or accept that the method works and they have isolated the virus. Or prove they are lying.

No it isn't. Some of them are fine for people who haven't time to go hunting for shrubbery. Cool, I have a friend who took some herbal remedies for cancer and one who took them for period pains and nodules on their ovaries. Both cured. But sadly it doesn't work for everyone. Fine. No problem. Your "alternative" site didn't impress. I don't know, why not go ask one? I'm just pointing out THIS one and as for HCQ I await proof to the contrary and will NOT dismiss it if it stands up to scrutiny. I can't debate everything dude. I hate vaccines, not because they don't work to create herd immunity, because they do in general. The concept that they offer immunity is often misunderstood - they work by raising the protection against infection percentage overall and lowering the R number. However I have long since wondered about the long term genetic effects on the immune system down through multiple generations. So slow tracked vaccines bother me for that reason. Imagine what I think of the implications for fast tracked ones that cannot possibly have been tested adequately. Fast tracked anything is asking for trouble. Thalidomide was probably the nastiest bastard drug ever approved.

You didn't address the point I made. Why would they admit this? And the reference you pointed to was for the original 2019 batch isolates. It makes more sense to work with original strains of a virus rather than potentially mutating versions of it. Citation please. Why do you repeat your claim already addressed? The virus has been proven to exist and saying it hasn't is very much a King Canute statement.

That isn't Occam as such. If the claim is that these people are fabricating and lying, then why would they admit something they didn't need to and why devise a test that any virologist would be able to identify as not valid? I would like someone to answer that if possible, because so many conspiracies crop up without considering truly obvious things.

It would be far more interesting if you stopped being an evasive flerfer and responded honestly. My post above....Everest high Sun. Debunk it properly. Or just continue doing this phoney act. You said something about it being a straw man because none of you people said it. That is irrelevant, since I am taking THE BEST POSSIBLE case for the LOWEST POSSIBLE distance to the horizon and it is ridiculously further than the actual Moon of over a quarter million miles. THAT is why you are avoiding it and THAT is why I think you have some sort of money making scheme going on. Nobody can fail to see this totally obvious thing. Perspective is a bitch and you simply have no understanding of it.

Why would they admit they have none when they could just lie? Is there not the possibility that they just used them all? If you think the method invalid, why don't virologists? And why don't they just lie about that too? It makes no sense to frame your argument around things that have a logical alternative and where the supposed perpetrators can simply deceive a bit better. It isn't difficult for either of those 2. Sars-2 is a single stranded RNA betacoronavirus and as such using a method specifically designed for RNA is not invalid. Why do you think it so?

I actually had to read your post a few times to understand what you are claiming here. It's almost as though you think the method used to isolate the virus is invalid because of some odd reason. RT-PCR is a method to isolate RNA. Why did you highlight the reference when it is not used in the paper. These are not citing references they are external links for corroboration. Your example shows reference is number 5...not 4. Why did you reference an early CDC release? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, was isolated in the laboratory and is available for research by the scientific and medical community.

@alexa And the dishonest evasion continues. When can we expect you to "cover" this or tell us why it doesn't count?

And another lie. So you said they were "covered" then tell me that you gave a reason why none were addressed. You are being pathetic. The Sun MUST be a close distance to the Earth for the flaterfers to be able to offer their idiotic Sun motion claims. The consensus amongst the flaterf cult is 3000 miles. The absolute minimum it can be is a ridiculous Everest height. I have given you examples of both ranges and shown how it is impossible. Not unlikely, or unfeasible. IMPOSSIBLE. You and all the flaterfers are cowards. Your failure to address any of the major points thrown your way is dishonesty worthy of .........the devil. Well done. All this diversionary crap to cover up yet another act of dishonest evasion. What are they all aiming at? ALL OVER Europe, all pointing in the same direction and it ain't Earth!!

Because in going to look for the words "geosynchronous orbit" you might actually learn something instead of blundering through life with a complete absence of knowledge. One that somebody with poor understanding should get. Pick two points. One is below the target speed - ISS 93 minutes. One is above it - the Moon 27.32 days. The target is one day, it lies between the two distances. Duhhhhhhh.

You are an appalling liar. Not one of the posts in that thread were addressed. Example 1: Show where this was addressed... The closest possible distance the Sun can be to the Earth is a ridiculous Everest height. Computing the distance to the Sun on a flat earth when it is 0.001 degrees above the visual horizon and at a ludicrous and provably impossible distance of 5 miles away..... http://www.cleavebooks.co.uk/scol/calrtri.htm a= 5 miles A= 0.001 degrees Distance to object is 286,000 miles. https://www.omnicalculator.com/math/right-triangle-side-angle Distance to object 286,479 miles. https://www.calculator.net/right-triangle-calculator.html?av=5&alphav=0.001&alphaunit=d&bv=&betav=&betaunit=d&cv=&hv=&areav=+&perimeterv=&x=103&y=13 Distance to object 286,478.89754 miles. A bit high don't you think?

Half past seven on a Wednesday. Google it, learn something. Clue: Close up ISS takes 93 minutes. Far away Moon takes 27.32 days. Somewhere in between. Explain the bloody picture of the satellite dishes.

Because I made about 50 slam dunk posts that got ignored and quickly buried by team flaterf, so I picked the best ones and put them on page 1. The flatties will never acknowledge them, but fence sitters can see them all in the same place. Do you think the world is flat?

It was a plane.

and @greatdayforfreedom https://www.icgeb.org/the-sars-cov-2-virus-has-been-isolated-and-the-full-genome-sequenced-at-icgeb-trieste-italy/ https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/2768620 https://www.virology.ws/2020/05/07/there-is-one-and-only-one-strain-of-sars-cov-2/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32080990/ https://sunnybrook.ca/research/media/item.asp?c=2&i=2069&f=covid-19-isolated-2020#.XmsmoGqClHs.twitter

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/principia-scientific-international/ Duck noise needs imagination.

Very good question. The higher up the satellite orbits the slower it moves....that is just orbital mechanics. For example the Moon has a speed of 2,300 mph, whilst the ISS moves around at 17,500 mph. There is a point where this orbital period matches Earth's rotation. Geosynchronous orbits. BUT, these appear to move too because they simply come back to the same point daily , so a specialist type of geosynchronous orbit is needed. Geostationary. A geosynchronous orbit parked on the equator, It appear in the same spot all the time. https://www.n2yo.com/satellites/?c=34

So if you actually do a reductive comparison of two frames on the CCTV footage you get a plane and you dude are ignoring the big obvious list! The plane had 3 times more kinetic energy than a Tomahawk.

I accept nothing really. It all seems so very vague. Said by whom? It could just as easily be way worse with many just quickly recovering. All very vague as I said. https://www.icgeb.org/the-sars-cov-2-virus-has-been-isolated-and-the-full-genome-sequenced-at-icgeb-trieste-italy/ https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/2768620 https://www.virology.ws/2020/05/07/there-is-one-and-only-one-strain-of-sars-cov-2/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32080990/

I'm not going to dig my heels in here. If evidence is convincing I will take it on board. BUT If this is some sort of fakery.....it has convinced a whole lot of doctors and the horror of the swamped NHS was not imaginary. I know people who dealt with it. The way it is being dealt with is clumsy and badly thought out....but I didn't vote for Bozza so .... I accept no blame. It IS irrelevant in terms of you dismissing well thought out objections because you think they are from evil.com. Address the content....even evil arseholes can sometimes be accurate.

Completely irrelevant. Address the content. Ad hominem doesn't cancel out the reasons given. Girl on Twitter? https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2376 https://www.thelocal.se/20200424/interview-isabella-lovin-coronavirus-the-biggest-myth-about-sweden-is-that-life-is-going-on-as-normal

This large group of medical experts publishes a medical newspaper with circulation of 500,000 copies every week, to inform the public about the massive misinformation in the mainstream media. 'Doctors for Information' is supported by over 6,000 professionals. They organize mass protests in Europe, like the one on August 29, 2020 where 12 million people signed up and an estimated one million actually showed up. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Hundreds of Spanish medical doctors say the pandemic is planned In Spain a group of 600 medical doctors called ‘Doctors for Truth’, made a similar statement during a press conference. Germany and Spain are just two examples. Similar large groups of hundreds of medical experts exist in countries across the world. In the USA a documentary called PLANDEMIC, which exposes COVID-19 as a criminal operation, is supported by over 27,000 medical doctors continues Completely made up, the whole thing.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/10/14/the-great-barrington-declaration-herd-immunity-strategies-for-coronavirus-overlook-8-problems/#5891eb1abf70

Right there is what you are doing. Nothing can reach you. You claim verifiable and repeatable science is a lie, but espouse the daftest claims on the planet. Have you ever looked through a powerful telescope? Explain this picture......