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1. The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

It's nothing whatsoever to do with movement!! It is entirely to show how the shadow doesn't hit the Earth but the partial eclipse is visible BEFORE and AFTER the actual shadow passes across the surface. It was meant to simplify this simple thing you are deliberately avoiding. How can you not see this stunningly obvious thing? You are wrong and are afraid to admit it. Which part of this below are you not getting? Partial eclipse visible before shadow reaches Earth. In bright red - be brave address it instead of ignoring it. https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/35635/during-an-eclipse-how-big-is-the-shadow-of-the-moon-on-the-earth#:~:text=Typically%2C the umbra is 100–160 km wide%2C while,km. Source%3A Geometry of a Total Solar Eclipse Typically, the umbra is 100–160 km wide, while the penumbral diameter is in excess of 6400km. Source: Geometry of a Total Solar Eclipse https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/partial-solar-eclipse.html#:~:text=During a partial solar eclipse%2C the Moon's umbra,a place close to one of the poles. "During a partial solar eclipse, the Moon's umbra or antumbra, the shadow's center portion, is cast into space just above the polar regions, missing poles."
2. The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

So not "never" then. And this was more accurate than most would admit - "most of the time they give a perfectly straight answer but some of the time I suspect it isn't because I like to believe other stuff"? Can you think of a few examples where they didn't give a straight answer that would have upset the status quo?
3. The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

Oh ffs!! It's not a scale model. It's a simple model for those hard of understanding. It shows how the shadow is NOT on the Earth but the partial eclipse is visible. THAT is where the 5 hours comes from. It isn't shadow duration it is eclipse duration! Shadow duration, time on Earth exactly as detailed 3hrs 14mins. Not 5 hrs. You are wrong, your silly video is wrong but you haven't got the balls to admit it. You ignored the salient parts of that last post, dude, that is so pathetic.
4. The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

Bullshit! You are afraid to admit you are wrong. It is a perfectly reasonable explanation for your sad confusion. Explain exactly why it is not relevant. Why the hell are you ignoring so much!? The Moon penumbra "shadow" which is effectively a varying diminishing of the extremely bright Sun is very big: https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/35635/during-an-eclipse-how-big-is-the-shadow-of-the-moon-on-the-earth#:~:text=Typically%2C the umbra is 100–160 km wide%2C while,km. Source%3A Geometry of a Total Solar Eclipse Typically, the umbra is 100–160 km wide, while the penumbral diameter is in excess of 6400 km. Source: Geometry of a Total Solar Eclipse https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/partial-solar-eclipse.html#:~:text=During a partial solar eclipse%2C the Moon's umbra,a place close to one of the poles. "During a partial solar eclipse, the Moon's umbra or antumbra, the shadow's center portion, is cast into space just above the polar regions, missing http://xjubier.free.fr/site_movies/TSE_2017_Simulation_1024x768.mp4poles." CAN YOU READ!? You can see the Moon well before it casts a shadow on the Earth and well after it has finished. When it moves across the Sun in such circumstances, that is another scenario when you see a partial eclipse. http://xjubier.free.fr/site_movies/TSE_2017_Simulation_1024x768.mp4 See the animation showing the visible section of the penumbra before the FULL shadow! How can anyone be this contrary, you must be so afraid to lose face or something. Nobody can fail to understand this, it's been simplified to allow a child to get it.
5. 911 events from an air stewardess point of view

If you saw on the news that the flight had crashed why would you go to the airport? The question is more about how many would have failed to have noticed the events on the news.
6. The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

No worries. NASA is actually an independent agency and as far as I can tell are the opposite of hidden. They post so much it is impossible to view it all. I often look at that "never a straight answer" bastardised acronym and wonder where it originated from, but more importantly I haven't ever seen a solid example where this is true. Other space agencies confirm many of the things they come out with. Do you think it's more of "most of the time they give a perfectly straight answer but some of the time I suspect it isn't because I like to believe other stuff"?

8. The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

Well, we appear to be getting there, one final simple diagram might do it. The Lunar speed is constant, only the relative speed of the shadow across a sphere is different. Nothing weird about it all - I explained it in really simple terms and once again you ignored it all. Diagram 1 Partial eclipse, is the Moon before the shadow hits Earth. Reduced light from the Penumbra hits the Earth's surface up to an hour before the FULL eclipse and 1hr before the Moon casts a shadow. Diagram 2 FULL eclipse, is the 3hrs 14 minutes where the Moon travels across the face of the Earth. Diagram 3 Partial eclipse, is the Moon after its shadow has left the Earth's surface. Reduced light from the Penumbra hits the Earth's surface up to an hour after the FULL eclipse and 1hr after the Moon casts a shadow. The reason for this 1hr is that the Moon moves 1/2 a degree per hour and after that time the width of the penumbra 6400km will not be visible, ie. end of partial eclipse.
9. The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

1. I'm not "one of them" - ad hominem noted. I am a realist and look at all evidence not just the bits that confirm my opinion. 2. You made numerous points I responded to them all in good faith. 3. I wasn't trying to "change your mind" , the one you then say is not made up. 4. That wasn't even close to my best efforts. 5. You didn't offer a single thing back on any of the numerous points I made. 6. Perhaps you would have felt more comfortable if I had agreed with all those daft claims. Couldn't your "final words" have at least had a time reference! The video is about the "secret land". That would be the largely unexplored Antarctica. Kindly make your last words where it says what you "said above" on the video timeline and what specifically that was.

11. The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

No, not a tough crowd at all. You put up two videos that are quite absurd in their claim. I didn't address the other stuff you said: NASA is not involved in the occult, there are numerous other space agencies, thousands of privately owned satellites and I'm not sure what Von Braun has to do with anything. As far as I can tell he was the baby eating Nazi who helped build the big rocket. If you really want to discuss in good spirit, list what bits you found compelling. I watched and flicked and found it daft.
12. The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

Doesn't help. But it's not even as good as that. There is colossal evidence that we live on a round planet and that it is impossible to be flat or in some daft crater. https://penguinsfalloff.blogspot.com/2017/06/as-internet-debates-go-one-concerning.html That applies to any variation of a non planet Earth. Not as good as tedious.
13. What is the Moon??

https://www.loc.gov/everyday-mysteries/item/why-is-pluto-no-longer-a-planet/ So, the three criteria of the IAU for a full-sized planet are: It is in orbit around the Sun. It has sufficient mass to assume hydrostatic equilibrium (a nearly round shape). It has “cleared the neighborhood” around its orbit. The Moon fails on point 3 it hasn't cleared mass from around its vicinity, it isn't the dominant mass and point 1, it orbits the sun by virtue of it orbiting Earth - and that makes it a Moon by definition. Big Moon though, very intriguing.
14. The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

@zArk To summarise: 1. We have two lines showing the Full eclipse from YOUR video. 2. We have a screen shot showing the points your video is claiming to analyse time wise. 3. These clearly show the full eclipse shadow. 4. We have a video showing the Moon starting/ending to cast its full shadow on the times claimed. NONE of this is unlikely. The major errors are your video and your automatic belief of such bad errors.

16. What is the Moon??

OK, I thought about it. On a flat Earth(your off topic claim) It's a distance where it cannot POSSIBLY see the entire surface of the Earth, therefore it will only reflect what it can see. And you roll the eyes at ME. IF it can see the entire surface, the entire surface sees IT all the time.

18. The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

Wow, such an incisive and thorough counter post. Almost akin to saying "lalalalala can't hear you". Oh wait!

20. What is the Moon??

Ludicrous. The "giant mirror" presents the exact same "reflection" no matter where it appears on the entire surface of the Earth.
21. The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

Simple, America has 3 individual time zones - these are local times. When is the curvature constant? ONLY when it reaches around the closest point, meanwhile the shadow is decreasing in latitude the entire time. No it would not! The Earth from the Moon has an angular diameter of 2 degrees at around perigee. The Moon Moves close to 0.5 degrees per hour on its 5 degree elliptical path. That's four hours. No it would not. Four hours. The entire Earth Moon system moves in unison in Solar orbit.
22. The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

To show that you have no answer to them. Even the basic stuff. Your "explanation" for Sunset and movement was gibberish and you refused to elaborate with a more in depth explanation. You cannot because you are afraid to be wrong. Explain a lunar eclipse. Explain how the Sun moves - simultaneously visible over half the Earth(!) always the same size and always the same speed regardless of how far away it is. And the Moon, it does the same thing!
23. The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

The observation meme of an incredibly ignorant person. Satellites are tiny. You can see the ISS from Earth with a telescope WHEN you know where it is. Were you to travel the required distance of several thousand miles, to be able to photograph the whole Earth, the satellite would not even be 1/1000th of a pixel! If you just did this mathematically, the surface area where these satellites orbit is average 400 miles up. Take the radius of the Earth and add 40 miles equals 4368 miles. Surface area: 4 pi r squared 4 * 3.142 * 4368 *4368 = 239 million square miles. One satellite in every 14,000 square miles, and they are all travelling at 17,000mph.
24. The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

Wow, what complete bilge water. The low Earth orbit area has hundreds of satellites including the ISS which can be seen from the ground. It is astonishing that you quote people talking about space and orbits when you absurdly deny its existence! It is even more absurd that you post a video championing the efforts of Tesla yet deny one major thing he had no trouble in understanding - space. Maybe take your silly off topic meme's to the Flat earth meme thread and start explaining and give answers to the inconvenient posts you are running away from.
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