# Carlos

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## Posts posted by Carlos

### The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

You even ignored my reminder:

When can I expect you to answer the post posted yesterday at 8.49? Because it wraps up all the nonsense I keep having to revisit.

Your understanding of basic lunar motion is the problem. Your video had dozens of errors but even when explained to you, you still hang on to it by the fingernails. This simple diagram explains it for anyone - yet you arm-waved it away for some ridiculous reason that it wasn't to scale and didn't have the Earth rotating:

Diagram 1 Partial eclipse, is the Moon before the shadow hits Earth. Reduced light from the Penumbra hits the Earth's surface up to an hour before the FULL eclipse and 1hr before the Moon casts a shadow.

Diagram 2 FULL eclipse, is the 3hrs 14 minutes where the Moon travels across the face of the Earth.

Diagram 3 Partial eclipse, is the Moon after its shadow has left the Earth's surface. Reduced light from the Penumbra hits the Earth's surface up to an hour after the FULL eclipse and 1hr after the Moon casts a shadow.

The reason for this 1hr is that the Moon moves 1/2 a degree per hour and after that time the width of the penumbra 6400km will not be visible, ie. end of partial eclipse.

### The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

Hey, what's the problem?

"Hopefully, we are all here in search of truth and that's really all I need to say about that." - amy G.    Is that not the case here?

"What fascinated me most was the fact that there was legitimate discussion." - amy G.  Is this not discussion?

LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS routinely ignored by flat earthers in all "legitimate discussion".

Why does the Sun appear to be the same size all over the "flat earth" regardless of its distance to the observer?

Everything gets smaller towards the vanishing point. But you always have to look up to the sun - yellow line - how can it set or rise? Same with the Moon.

The Sun at zenith has an angular diameter of 0.5 degrees of arc. Wherever it is it stays the same size.

Bearing in mind the "1 mile corridor" where, you know, things get smaller as they get farther away.

The sun rises and sets without changing size - explain this.

Wherever you are on the "flat earth", the angular distance the sun covers per hour is 15 degrees. No matter what elevation, what time of year or time of day, no matter where you view it from. On a flat earth that is impossible. Explain this.

Pictures from Space:

Zoom in to individual pictures:

Oh and just in case you claim that was done with a telescope, the far side of the Moon:

The bottom of all the buildings has disappeared. How is this possible on a flat earth?

Sure you cannot "see forever" but what trick of light cuts the bottoms off just as you would expect on a curved surface?

Some Mathematics for you:

### The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

Just now, amy G said:

You still seem angry to me.

I made a very big post above answering all your points and providing examples for pictures in space etc. It was fairly obvious your first response was a diversion but that's 3 times now.

Why are all you people so afraid? I have content above that you have ignored. The thing is, you can run and hide behind your computer screen and refuse to answer things but that is real sad. How can anyone believe this crap and be afraid to answer simple things?

Just now, amy G said:

A mathematician (I prefer math nerd) knows that if the sun simply moves in a circle above, that that is 360 degrees.

And a math nerd knows that it takes 24hrs. And a school child can divide 360 by 24hrs and conclude it MUST move 15 degrees per hour.

Just now, amy G said:

Now, if you would like to show us proof of axial or orbital speeds, I would be interested in continuing this discussion.

You are not a mathematician. I have content above that you have ignored. Must I repost it all for you to ignore again?

Just now, amy G said:

Or, you could show us proof that earth is a planet, yes?

I gave you a list of questions, some images and some observations that cannot be explained on a flat earth but perfectly fit in with a planet. Above, kindly address it.

Just now, amy G said:

Or that a southern hemisphere exists? You could begin by showing us something as simple as the distance along the 45th parallel, both north and south are even close to the same length, fair?

I do not need to explain that it exists, you have to explain different starfield rotation directions. Examples easily found online and of course easily dismissed by you as fake. You also have to explain why the Moon is inverted in Australia.

Just now, amy G said:

There certainly are many difficult questions that would actually be worth discussing. These are just a few that I have looked into.

You're avoiding them all. Above. Content. Address it.

How come the Sun doesn't get smaller when it sets?

How come it is the same size wherever it is viewed at whatever angle, time of day, time of year?

### The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

24 minutes ago, zArk said:

Well its not carlos

The official data is clear for the start and end

Its written down as official eclipse data

Its not made up by a flat earther

Its the recorded and observed eclipse

When can I expect you to answer the post posted yesterday at 8.49? Because it wraps up all the nonsense I keep having to revisit.

Your mistake is the same blundering one you keep making. By the way, YOUR source for times is NOT correct, it is longer than 5hrs for the visible partial to start and end. It is actually 5hrs 18 minutes. But that's not where you are wrong, you keep insisting that the visibility of the partial contributes to the total shadow on Earth time. It does not.

Now don't go getting your knickers in a twist at wikipedia:

 (P1) Partial begin 15:46:48 16:48:32 18:26:40 20:01:35 21:04:19

### The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

44 minutes ago, amy G said:

You seem angry.

Yet again another flat earther turns up and runs away from direct questions. Absolutely pathetic.

Why are you people so afraid to answer things?

47 minutes ago, amy G said:

Like showing any proof of orbital or axial speed?

The sun comes back to pretty much the same spot every 24 hours. That is 360 degrees. It is 24hrs on every single point on Earth. As a mathematician the inevitable conclusion should be bloody obvious. Since it didn't even occur to you that speaks volumes about your level of maths skills.

Now at this point, anyone who is not a committed flat earther would investigate how this flat-madness explains it. Instead, what say you play more diversion games and continue to avoid about half a dozen questions and a very long detailed response above.

### The Facts of WTC PLANNED & CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

9 minutes ago, mishy said:

Back on topic, where are the black boxes?

Wow, the person calling people names objects to INDIRECT banter. Back on topic, answer my question!

Black boxes, if one was needed the perps could just fake one, or do you think they exceeded their massive man power list with all the other crap and they decided not to bother

### The Facts of WTC PLANNED & CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

50 minutes ago, mishy said:

Does <thread> mean you're going to stop posting dribble?

Why are you so afraid to answer? The building exterior shows an inward explosion and nothing was ejected out the entrance hole.

How does your no-plane nonsense explain it.

### The Facts of WTC PLANNED & CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

19 minutes ago, mishy said:

I'm asking questions that you CANNOT answer. Mainly because there is no explanation.

19 minutes ago, mishy said:

YOU need to prove a plane caused that hole, because what the videos show is IMPOSSIBLE.

Circular reasoning - the videos show exactly what should occur. I don't need to prove that the explosion went inwards as we can see. You are the one making the moronic claim and you know there is NO explanation for it.

### The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

57 minutes ago, amy G said:

What planet?

The Earth, but hey for the purposes of the question I shall rephrase it - since you are playing silly buggers!

1. Why does the Sun appear to be the same size all over the "flat earth" regardless of its distance to the observer?

57 minutes ago, amy G said:

Have you ever looked down a long hallway? See if you can picture in your mind what you might see if that hallway was one mile long.

Yes, everything gets smaller towards the vanishing point. But you always have to look up to the sun - yellow line.

57 minutes ago, amy G said:

I don't know what you are talking about here.

Really? The Sun at zenith has an angular diameter of 0.5 degrees of arc. Wherever it is it stays the same size.

3. How can it set or rise full size in the first place? Same with the Moon.

Bearing in mind the "1 mile corridor" where, you know, things get smaller as they get farther away.

57 minutes ago, amy G said:

What?

Playing silly buggers again. Wherever you are on the "flat earth", the angular distance the sun covers per hour is 15 degrees. No matter what elevation, what time of year or time of day, no matter where you view it from. On a flat earth that is impossible. A novice mathematician would know this straightaway and would know why.

57 minutes ago, amy G said:

I am not aware of any proof that anything orbits anything. And if you can offer sufficient proof that it maintains the same speed and size, then I might be able to help you here.

Once again, playing silly buggers. The sun rises and sets without changing size.

You want me to prove that the Sun travels at 15 degrees per hour everywhere on Earth? Some mathematician you are. This one thing could prove beyond doubt that the globe model is incorrect. Find one place on Earth where the sun doesn't do that and it's cracked.

As for things orbiting, I wonder what kind of student of mathematics can be that ignorant of satellites or visible planets and their moons. Astronomers spend hours watching things like moon transits across Jupiter or Mars, or Mercury transiting the Sun through a filter.

57 minutes ago, amy G said:

There are not competing space agencies any more than democrats and republicans are competing political parties. The symbology tells their story and it's right in front of us.

Ahhh ok, the standard conspiracy bullshit answer.

57 minutes ago, amy G said:

Please post one that is not so we can discuss it.

Zoom in to individual pictures:

Oh and just in case you claim that was done with a telescope, the far side of the Moon:

57 minutes ago, amy G said:

Show me proof that anything orbits anything and then we might actually get somewhere.

I could show you numerous things that you could look up yourself, but I sense you will arm wave them all away.

57 minutes ago, amy G said:

It is still right there in the exact same place that it always is. This is important. You cannot see forever and no geometric horizon can be shown.

Playing dumb. The bottom of all the buildings has disappeared. How is this possible on a flat earth?

Sure you cannot "see forever" but what trick of light cuts the bottoms off just as you would expect on a curved surface?

57 minutes ago, amy G said:

If we truly lived in your world, there would be a maximum distance that an observer could see because of where a physical barrier must lie. This is based on mathematics that has been accepted for a few thousand years and still used today all over earth.

The mathematics of visibility on Earth also rely on the physics of refraction.

57 minutes ago, amy G said:

What is confusing for people looking into this are the cherry-picked images when downward refraction is most obvious, so while there is a maximum distance that can be viewed, the atmospheric conditions must be perfect for this to be achieved. All other times, less distance will be observed because of several factors that are these atmospheric conditions.

It confuses you does it? Give me some examples where you are confused and maybe we "might actually get somewhere"!

57 minutes ago, amy G said:

Try replying honestly this time. I strongly suspect you have zero mathematics and are 100% a flat earther, here to play games and evade all the difficult questions.

### The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

27 minutes ago, Lady Baynham said:

Hi Carlos,a few pages back I posted something to the thread ,this thread of discovery,sharing and learning . It was from a channel where a woman told of the 5hr difference in sunrise between 2 islands in the seas between Alaska and Russia. You said it was because of the international timeline.I went back and looked at her video again,and noticed in the comments under the video that people were being as cross as you that people were just not getting it.

The quickest way to shut anyone down is to be rude ,angry and insulting.This thread will probably be closed soon,someone will loose it and abuse you back.If you are so sure of your argument why are you so angry? I really don,t understand why you are so bloming cross about everything.

It is starting to make me laugh now....Mr Angry tight pants Carlos you are funny.

More numbers and graphs please,but longer and much much much more complicated  please.

I'm not angry at all. You ignored my reply and still haven't admitted it as being correct. The rather silly women who made the video forgot to check the local times.

### The Facts of WTC PLANNED & CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

1 hour ago, mishy said:

I don't care because It's all on film. CGI planes with no collision physics whatsoever.

And regarding your picture, you need to prove a plane did that damage...how are you going to do that? Provide video evidence?

Tedius.

You ran away like a big Jessie. Afraid to answer anything.

Regarding the picture YOU need to explain how an explosion goes inwards with no debris coming out of the entry hole. You cannot because it was a bloody plane!

### The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

1 hour ago, zArk said:

@Carlos  the umbra is interesting stuff during an eclipse however back the data You spherists still run out of runway

The start to finish of the shadow on the earth is 143.7 degrees So the start point is 0 degrees at 0mins in the mid pacific

The end point is 143.7 degrees at 0 mins mid atlantic The end of eclipse 5 hrs later the mid atlantic point has spin eastwards 75 degrees. 15 degrees per hour

The recorded end point mid atlantic says the earth is not spinning So before you go rushing ahead with linear speed, diameter of earth and then use the umbra diagram keep your eyes on the prize The figures do not add up and bolster the flat earth explanation

Wrong yet again. The shadow passed across the Earth surface in 3hrs 14 minutes. Please stop quoting the 5 hours, that is really dumb after it has been exhaustingly explained to you.

The Earth rotates around 48.5 degrees in that time.

Now I've read your post several times and I still don't understand what you are saying. It almost looks like you are expecting the Earth to have rotated 143.7 degrees. Please tell me you do not think this.

### The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

7 minutes ago, alexa said:

Well if this is the case, being as the sun and the moon are in the Dome, I'd put the sun at about 3,000 miles away.

Do you understand mathematics? Namely trigonometry?

ONLY at the equator can the Sun be 3000 miles away because it is vertical above the observer. The red line below is matey at the Equator seeing the Sun 3000 miles up above him.

Now the bloke at 30 degrees has just watched the Earth go across the sky and he sees the Sun at a distance of 5200 miles. But it hasn't changed speed or size and has been in view the entire time for both of them!

Now change the observer to someone by the sea watching a beautiful sunset. He's watched the Sun go across the sky the whole day always in view, same speed, same size, he lives on the equator. The sun is now just 5 degrees above the horizon, still the same bloody size(!?) but see if you can work out how far away it is from him.

Side a = 3000 because the observer still on the equator is seeing the sun 3000 miles above him. Meanwhile the observer also on the equator at an angle A of 5 degrees sees the Sun, wait for it,  34,400 miles away!!!

It takes a profound ignorance not to understand the terminal problems here.

### The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

Just now, alexa said:

Why don't you tell us, you seem to be the one who thinks he knows it all ? Lets see how ridiculous you sound trying to explain all this on a ball.

Thanking you most kindly Sir C

You know my explanation and it fits everything we see exactly as expected. You are the one proposing the lunatic claim, the post needs answering, why are you so afraid?

And don't give me that ridiculous shite about "portals". I can track the Sun across the entire sky, it gets further away on a flat earth, so why no size change and how the hell can it always go the same speed?

### The Flat Earth/Globe Earth Discussion Thread

@alexa How about you stop cluster bombing this thread with total crap and start explaining all the things you keep avoiding?

@amy G So, you are a mathematician are you?

1. Why does the Sun appear to be the same size all over the planet regardless of its distance to the observer?

2. How can it possibly set or rise? It is above the eyeline of any observer, it is impossible to duck down below it.

3. How can it disappear full size in the first place? Same with the Moon.

4. The Sun moves at 15 degrees per hour in every single orientation on the entire planet - explain this.

5. Even when the Sun is supposed to be doing a different "orbit" on the flat Earth it maintains the same speed and size. How?

Regarding proof - that requires the entire space industry of multiple agencies to be faked involving an astonishing number. Every single photograph in and of space to be faked. Every single orbiting satellite when you can see the damn things, including the ISS - also fake? That's just for openers.

Chicago, where did it go?

### The Facts of WTC PLANNED & CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

7 hours ago, Albion said:

Why would those who orchestrated 9/11 go to such measures? Surely when the powers that be met around the table, the bloke who said let's hijack some planes and fly them into the towers, killing as many people as possible, to further our agenda, was given a round of applause. And the bloke who suggested holograms was quickly escorted out the back door?

Apparently all because there was a possibility the "big lumbering jet" might miss its target.

" I propose a conspiracy theory that the conspiracy theories are themselves part of a conspiracy, intended to discredit the idea of there being a conspiracy — and to divide and conquer those who might sleuth out certain facts."

"1. The terrorist pilots lacked the skill and training needed to fly jetliners into their targets

This is an especially popular contention with respect to American flight 77.  Hijacker pilot Hani Hanjour was a notoriously untalented flier who never piloted anything larger than a four-seater. Yet he is said to have pulled off a remarkable series of aerobatic maneuvers before slamming into the Pentagon.  The pilots of American 11 and United 175 also had spotty records and had flown only private planes.  They should have had great difficulty navigating to New York City, and even greater difficulty hitting the twin towers squarely. To bolster this idea that the hijackers were Oswaldian pawns, the conspiromongers often invoke impressive-sounding jargon and fluffery about high-tech cockpits, occasionally trundling out testimony from pilots.

Reality: The cabal’s feats did not require in-depth technical knowledge or a high degree of skill.  The attackers, as private pilots, were completely out of their league in the cockpits of those 757s and 767s; however they were not setting out to perform single-engine missed approaches or Category-3 instrument landings with a failed hydraulic system – or to land at all.  They were setting out to steer an already airborne jetliner, in perfect weather, into the side of a building.  Though, for good measure, Mohammed Atta and at least one other member of his group did buy several hours of simulator training on a Boeing 727 (this was not the same type of jet used in the attacks, but it didn’t need to be).  Additionally they obtained manuals and instructional videos for the 757 and 767, available from aviation supply shops.

Hani Hanjour’s flying was exceptional only in its recklessness.  If anything, his loops and spirals above the nation’s capital revealed him to be exactly the shitty pilot he by all accounts was.  To hit the Pentagon squarely he needed only a bit of luck, and he got it.  Striking a stationary object — even a large one with five beckoning sides — at high speed and from a steep angle is very difficult.  To make the job easier, he came in obliquely, tearing down light poles as he roared across the Pentagon’s lawn.  If he’d flown the same profile ten times, seven of them he’d probably have tumbled short of the target or overflown it entirely.
As for those partisan pilots known to chime in on websites, take them with a grain of salt.  As somebody who flies 757 and 767s for a living, I think my testimony carries some weight.  Ask around and you’ll discover that the majority of professional pilots feel the way I do."

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### The Facts of WTC PLANNED & CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

Wowie, these two are really getting miffed at anyone taking them to task. Apparently anyone questioning their crazy claims is a shill and all posts are trolling. Notice people that the extremely large elephant in the room stays trumpeting away without them addressing it. Third time.

How many people were in on this?

1. How many to distribute airplane parts?

2. How many to distribute DNA?

3. How many to dispose of the actual plane and kill the passengers.

4. Then since DNA was found, how many to toast the bodies and smash them up?

5. If the DNA was faked, the laboratory was in on it? How many?

6. How many in the military to execute the missile launch?

7. How many to create all those individual films?

8. How many to lace the buildings with explosives?

9. How many to plan it? Oversee it?

10. How did they communicate it all?

11. Where is the paper trail for all of this, or the money trail to pay this huge number off?

12. Adding - "crisis actors" total?

The thing is, this has been going on for some considerable time now - SURELY you can answer these questions? It HAS to be part of the who, what, why, where scenario - filling in the dots. At least estimates??

One final question:

In the world of high explosives and demolition, all sorts of weird and wonderful techniques are employed to make the direction of the force as required. I am not aware of one that makes metal bend towards the explosion. The impacts showed NO outward ejections at the collision point - what Mickey Mouse world does this happen in?

Bent inwards? Can the two noisy no planers please avoid answering anything in this post?

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### The Facts of WTC PLANNED & CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

4 hours ago, Haunted Universe said:

And yet you have no means to prove it. Just infantile machinations that aren't fooling anybody. The only advantage you have as a shill is too rile up the 80% in confederacy against the 20% by way of mocking and discrediting, yet unfortunately more and more people are waking up to this horse shit.

I think you fancy yourself as smart and cunning, I only see a conceited congregation of vapor.

How many people were in on your pantomime?

1. How many to distribute airplane parts?

2. How many to distribute DNA?

3. How many to dispose of the actual plane and kill the passengers.

4. Then since DNA was found at the site, how many to toast the bodies and smash them up?

5. If the DNA was faked, the laboratory was in on it? How many?

6. How many in the military to execute the missile launch?

Every single time you try and nail someone down who has a mad theory they run away from obvious problems. Answers please.

nb. The only people name calling around here are mishy and you - shill / moron. But then again being insulted by people like you is almost a compliment.

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### The Facts of WTC PLANNED & CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

2 hours ago, Haunted Universe said:

According to Carlos, physics don't apply.

Rant:

That is now the 3rd time you have repeated that lie. Physics applies most certainly but people like you are completely ignorant of it. YOU have no right to invoke "physics" particularly when it works perfectly well with such kinetic energy.

What the hell are YOU doing on this forum? This happened nearly 20 years ago and you. together with your bonkers clan have been soiling the internet like an incontinent cat, with your incessant no plane no brain gibberish. For you Occam never even had a razor, he had a rusty blunt spoon that he used to scrape bird poo off of his windscreen.

### The Facts of WTC PLANNED & CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

Just now, Haunted Universe said:

Your retorts are laughable. Every far fetched explanation for the plane simply not being there what so ever. Like at every other site.

Did you say an engine went through three buildings at the Penta-con?

Arsewater. I said the landing gear did that.

How many people were in on your pantomime?

1. How many to distribute airplane parts?

2. How many to distribute DNA?

3. How many to dispose of the actual plane and kill the passengers.

4. Then since DNA was found at the site, how many to toast the bodies and smash them up?

5. If the DNA was faked, the laboratory was in on it? How many?

6. How many in the military to execute the missile launch?

### The Facts of WTC PLANNED & CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

3 minutes ago, Haunted Universe said:

You referenced Popular Mechanics. Thats all anyone needs to know about you. Abhorrent bullshit artists like NIST and NORAD.

Dick Cheney is that you? Is this me?

That is called an ad hominem where you reject the verifiable content and attempt to attack the person who presented it. Hopefully the moderators of this forum will pop up and politely request that the very large pot stops calling the kettle black.

You seem a little bit miffed that somebody can be bothered to tear you a new backside. Calm yourself down, have a cocoa or something. It was planes. Four of them. The alternative is absurd, unfeasible and ludicrously difficult - it also involves untold numbers of people.

Benjamin Franklin Quotes Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead.

### The Facts of WTC PLANNED & CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

16 minutes ago, Haunted Universe said:

Packed ground? It smashed into tiny pieces? Did the bodies do that too? Hahahaha.

Yes. Yes. Almost certainly. Your laughter is like backwash from a toilet.

16 minutes ago, Haunted Universe said:

You don't have any photos, as none exist. Strange don't you think for a GIANT airliner thats twatted the ground at full pelt.

No. That's what happens. Did you see the pretty picture of the burnt out husk that actually landed?

This one wasn't maxing out and trying to hit the target straight on!

16 minutes ago, Haunted Universe said:

Also, you fail to mention the 'puff' of smoke that was photographed from the alleged crash site, where as in reality it would be billowing smoke for hours on end.

You mean the comedy villains didn't simply setoff a comedy fuel bonfire to placate all the crazies who would "notice" no plane parts?

16 minutes ago, Haunted Universe said:

Hey, maybe the plane actually did this instead?

No, It hit the deck at colossal speed and it obliterated itself. The energy ricochet sent parts all over for miles. The clean-up team can corroborate this.

### The Facts of WTC PLANNED & CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

10 minutes ago, Haunted Universe said:

Well done for referencing one of biggest shill companies going. Moron. Your true colours are showing now.

That is called an ad hominem where you reject the verifiable content and attempt to attack the person who presented it. Hopefully the moderators of this forum will pop up and politely request that the very large pot stops calling the kettle black.

### The Facts of WTC PLANNED & CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

7 minutes ago, Haunted Universe said:

Are you a NIST supporter as well? Did you work for Ptech too?

I am an anti no-planer. It's bred into me to reject abject stupidity.

### The Facts of WTC PLANNED & CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

Just now, Haunted Universe said:

Try getting me going around in your pathetic circles all you like shill. At every so called plane crash site there is not a single shred of evidence of HUGE jetliner wreckage/debris. Nothing....absolutely nothing.

You are the one cutting and pasting from your silly repertoire of nonsense. Planes that burst into flames and crash at maximum velocity don't tend to leave much behind.

It is a total waste of time casting pearls before swine but anyway. THIS plane landed and caught fire. It didn't crash at 530mph into an enclosed space or come down nigh on vertically and bounce into a million bits:

That's with fire engines putting the fire out. Leave it to burn, after you crash it at high velocity into an enclosed space and you'd get bugger all left.

Just now, Haunted Universe said:

FOUR planes...nothing...poof...gone. I'll say it again for you...NOTHING.   What a coincidence.

Nope, that's physics. High energy impact and long duration burning.

Just now, Haunted Universe said:

Using real planes is a dumb idea by professional perps. Theres too much that can go wrong. Faking it? Much easier.

Stupid statement. Crashing a plane is so easy even a child could do it. An adult and they just need to point it in the right direction.

Just now, Haunted Universe said:

NO PLANES times infinity.

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