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This is the scandal that could bring down Keir Starmer
From the Chagos deal to the proposed new super embassy, Labour is kowtowing to China – the West’s civilisational enemyThere is an acrid, almost unbearable stench emanating from Downing Street, the unmistakable pong of scandal, sanctimony and perfidy.
What is it about Sir Keir Starmer, human rights lawyer extraordinaire, and China, a country that cannot see a human right it doesn’t want to stamp out? Why is our PM so keen to kowtow to a country that spies on us and our allies, steals commercial and military secrets, that is Western civilisation’s principal rival, supports Putin’s Russia and Islamist Iran, instigated a genocide against Uighurs, concealed the Wuhan Covid virus lab leak, and is the home of social credit and the surveillance state?
His two-tier Keir moniker doesn’t even begin to describe the scale of the double-standards: Starmer appears determined for Britain to be submissive, to ingratiate itself with China at any cost, throwing away the last vestiges of any moral authority he may once have possessed.
Labour’s love-in with China started with its Chagos betrayal, handing over billions on spurious “international law” grounds to an ally of Beijing. Now the Government has collapsed an embarrassing spying trial that could have trashed China’s reputation, led Beijing to lose face, blown-up Sino-British relations and triggered public fury.
This would have been a disaster for Starmer, Rachel Reeves and Ed Miliband: they are rebuilding relations with China for economic reasons. Thanks to Labour’s proto-socialist tax and regulatory policy and its incessant class warfare, Britain is chasing away entrepreneurs, the latest being the billionaire co-founder of Revolut. Labour is desperate for alternative sources of investment, and China is an obvious candidate.
Miliband also needs the People’s Republic, the world’s greatest polluter and emitter of CO2, a country that keeps building more coal plants, to help Britain reach net zero. Labour’s ban on the sale of new petrol cars is approaching, and we require cheap imports of Chinese electric vehicles. We also depend on Chinese turbine components, solar panels and critical minerals.
To demonstrate its willingness to sup with the devil, the Government is about to approve a new Chinese super-embassy, even though it is close to sensitive City of London fibre-optic cables and despite the Chinese outpost containing strange basement rooms the purpose of which Beijing refuses to disclose.
It was fortuitous, therefore, that a potentially explosive trial suddenly collapsed, rescuing Starmer’s strategy. The two men accused of spying on an MP and of passing on sensitive information (both say they are innocent) won’t face justice.
The tale is almost fantastical. To show the Official Secrets Act had been breached, the prosecution would have had to start off by convincing a jury that China was an enemy at the time, representing a threat to the UK’s national security. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) expected the Government to provide witnesses to support this case.
Yet in an astonishing development, Labour didn’t deliver, to the CPS’s fury. Starmer’s legalistic excuse smacks of verbiage, and doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. Implying he understands the law better than the CPS, he claims the only opinion that matters was that of the government at the time the alleged spying took place, that the Tories (then in power) didn’t formally classify China as a threat, and as such there was no point Labour providing a witness.
Source - Telegraph
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Simon Case challenges Starmer over China spy trial
Former head of Civil Service suggests there was enough evidence to go ahead, increasing pressure on Prime MinisterSir Keir Starmer’s former top civil servant has challenged the official explanation as to why a prosecution of alleged Chinese spies collapsed.
The Prime Minister insisted on Tuesday that the Government was unable to state that China had been a national security threat at the time of the arrest of two alleged spies in 2023.
The UK’s most senior prosecutor has said Labour’s failure to provide such evidence led the Crown Prosecution Service to abandon the case.
However, in a rare public intervention, Simon Case, who served as cabinet secretary under Sir Keir and Rishi Sunak, his predecessor, questioned this explanation.
He said intelligence agencies had publicly described China as a threat for years, suggesting there was enough evidence to go ahead with the trial.
Lord Case told The Telegraph: “Going back over years, we have had heads of our intelligence agencies describing in public the threat that China poses to our national and economic security interests.”
Three former Tory Cabinet ministers, a former chief prosecutor, a former head of MI6 and the Government’s counter-terror watchdog also questioned Sir Keir’s account of the events that led up to the collapse of the case.
The Prime Minister faces growing accusations that the trial was deliberately scuppered in order to protect Britain’s trading relationship with China, which the Government sees as a key driver of economic growth.
Experts have pointed out that officials repeatedly said China was a threat to national security.
On the same day that Christopher Cash and Christopher Berry were arrested, the Government published a report vowing to tackle areas in which “Chinese Communist Party actions pose a threat to our people, prosperity and security”.
Lord Macdonald, a former director of public prosecutions, said it was “difficult to understand” why the case had been dropped, as it was “self-evident” that China posed a threat.
His comments were backed by Suella Braverman, the home secretary at the time, who said Sir Keir was “deluded” if he thought China had not been classed as a threat by previous governments.
Writing for The Telegraph, below, Tom Tugendhat, the former security minister, says he was told by the country’s top security officials that the spy case was a “slam dunk” and that the only explanation for its collapse was that someone in Government “made a choice” that preserving good relations with China was more important than protecting national security.
Labour has embarked on a charm offensive towards China, with visits to Beijing made by Jonathan Powell, the national security adviser, David Lammy, the Deputy Prime Minister, Ed Miliband, the Net Zero Secretary, and Peter Kyle, the Business Secretary. Sir Keir is due to visit next year.
Chris Philp, the shadow home secretary, described the Government’s explanation for the collapse of the case as “a direct lie”.
Sir Richard Dearlove, the head of MI6 between 1999 and 2004, told Times Radio the collapsed case should “be reopened”.
He said: “It seems to me pretty straightforward. The idea that China is not a threat to national security when it’s acting in this manner is completely absurd. It’s sort of inexplicable.”
Another former Whitehall official described Sir Keir’s claims as “madness” and said: “The whole thing is utterly baffling. The people who drafted the Official Secrets Act didn’t have in mind the suggestion that it would depend on the definition of who our enemies are in pamphlets published by the government.
It has been perfectly clear that China has been acting as an enemy of the British state.
Source - Telegraph
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Suppose I want to go to front line in Russia, for whatever reason, I want to take aid.
I can't fly to Ukraine, why?
Because they are at WAR!
So I fly to Poland, I make my way across the border and start journeying to the front line. If I meet Ukrainian soldiers along the way, they will stop and ask me, 'what you doing, where you going'
'Oh I'm taking chocolate bars for the Russian children under siege'
Probably one of 3 thing will happen.
The commander will think 'f*cking do good idiot doesn't know what he's doing' and order one of his men to escort me to safety.
Or having come fresh from the battlefield where some of his men have died he gonna think 'this f*cking twat' and he's gonna order one of his men to drag me to safety and he won't care how its done.
Or I just get a bullet in my head and save everyone the trouble.
Unless I go to Russia?
I arrive at Russia airport with boxes of chocolates and they gonna think - 'who the hell is this guy' they are not gonna let me walk into their warzone. They will take the chocolate off me, thank me for my concern and put me straight on a plane back home. I may get hours of interrogation, the chocolate be tested to make sure its real.
Unless... It was arranged by Russia, and I just played along for PR purposes, so then yeah Russia will help me, will make a big thing about it to.
But then I'm just a PR tool for Russia.
So looking at this Freedom Flotilla and Greta Thunberg crap.
Either they are the dumbest f*cks in the world
OR
its been arranged by Hamas and this comedian and Greta are just PR tools for a Terrorist organization.
I personally think this Irish comedian and Greta Thunberg are tools, useful idiots paid for by Hamas. So I don't care how they got treated.
I also thinks any civilian trying to gain access to a warzone is one of the dumbest f*cks in the world.
I watched a video as some activists tried to enter Palestine by land. The IDF soldiers at first was like 'ok guys, you can't go in there, please stop' until the activists push through the barriers and refuse to stop.
Now its different, they were putting him and themselves in danger, they are directly confronting the soldier and putting him, charged with guarding the gate, on the spot.
He has to act. Its not going to be pleasant, they ignored requests, they are trying to illegally enter a war zone. He is supposed to be guarding the area.
He has every right to shoot them.
But he didn't.
He and the other soldiers did their best to keep the activists away, and that meant bundling them up and forcibly escorting them away.
They have no other choice.
Its a dumb idea and combine that with the fact it was funded by Hamas as a PR stunt - those people are just political tools, useful idiots, chasing fame.
I don't care how they got treated.
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12 hours ago, wagdog19 said:
You have not watched the video. I will post a short for you, try and concentrate for at least 2 minutes. LISTEN to his testimony. Your comments have some validity, accepted; but stop deluding yourself. The Israeli government is worse than any South African cabinet ever was during apartheid. It's lawless, subhuman, and acts with impunity because of the blackmail evidence it possesses on almost EVERYBODY in power. Fact.
No I didn't watch it.
I skipped through it.
At the end of the day, any civilians who want to go to any war zone.-
IT'S A DUMB IDEA!
any civilians visiting any war zone, you cannot complain how you was treated, you should be thankful if you get out alive.
Its just f*cking dumb.
Period.
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Its another peice of insidious legislation that supposedly protects vulnerable children and saves parents money.
So once again, to help a minority a majority have to be included but don't worry it will save the parents of non vulnerable children a few quid.
Meanwhile the government gets complete control and access to personal data with the ability to track and punish as they choose.
But decent, fair minded non racist people who care about the most vulnerable in our society will be pleased.
F*ckin passive aggressive mealy mouthed dictator.
Son of a Toolmaker
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55 minutes ago, wagdog19 said:
I implore everybody on this forum to watch Tadhg Hickey, Irish writer and comedian, tell viewers how he and many others were treated by Israeli authorities after they were kidnapped in International waters delivering aid. 37.00 mins in. I know Galloway is not everyone's cup of tea, but this dialogue from his guest is powerful stuff. I believe every word 100%. Many of the people rounded up and imprisoned were 'famous, privileged with public platforms', to quote. It's a shocking testament.
Seriously, this is the dumbest thing.
1) There is aid going in, there are channels to put aid through.
2) Sailing or travelling into a war zone is a stupid and irresponsible thing to do.
3) Are you surprised the authorities are annoyed at civilians sailing into a war zone.
4) Are you surprised the authorities are annoyed they are trying to give aid to their enemy.
Thats not even going in to Hamas stealing aid etc.
Honestly, this stunt, and Greta's stunt was dumb as f*ck.
Has anyone tried to fly to Ukraine with a suitcase full of cash as 'Aid' for the Russian supporters in Ukraine, like in Donesk?
No?
Why?
Cos it would be a f*cking dumb thing to try and do.
But, get the media involved call it a 'Freedom Flotilla' and obviously you know the authorities won't let you go in, if nothing more it's a safety nightmare, if Greta had been kidnapped her government would be screaming blue murder and Hamas would have huge political leverage.
I mean for Christ's sake am I the only one who sees how absolutely f*cking dumb and pointless these stunts are?
Christ.
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Here's the announcement
He does not say 'to all people working illegally, you will not work without Digital ID'
He says 'let me spell it out, you will not work, in the United Kingdom, without Digital ID'
He talks of 'fair minded, decent people' as some sort of plea to justify a serious policy without mandate.
He doesn't do much to soften the news, he could've said- 'we're in a serious situation and we believe this will be good for the economy and be a deterrent, it will ensure no one off the boats will be able to work and that will slow the numbers,'
He says, decent people want to have faith in the government so we're introducing a mandatory ID. Let me spell that out YOU won't be allowed to work.....'
This isn't a PM speaking from the heart, appealing to citizens, 'its a tough choice but we must do this.'
This is a dictator making a mealy mouthed appeal to decency before imposing a system that nobody wants, voted for or thinks will do anything to fix the problem he says it will.
And then he spells it out - we won't work without it.
No job no money, no money no house, no food, no nothing.
No benefits without it?
Totally excluded from your society because of this policy?
How so.
Do Pensioners need it to get their pension?
They don't work.
If children are given it for the purposes of tracking their education under the new education bill their pushing through, as some say they are going to do.
Thats the entire population tracked from birth to death by the government, the system in the hands of private companies and none of this was voted on nor will fix the problem he says it will.
Yet he doesn't appeal to us for cooperation.
He dictates it to us, then he spells it out for us all.
Then he goes back to fairer honest society and decent people.
Its a charade.
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Labour lying about China spy case, claim Tories
Sir Keir Starmer urged to ‘come clean’ about what role he had in decisions that led to collapse of prosecutionTony Diver, Associate Political Editor.Amy Gibbons, Political Correspondent, in Mumbai.
08 October 2025 10:30am BSTThe Conservatives have accused the Government of a “barefaced lie” over the collapse of the Chinese spy case.
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said it was forced to drop charges against two suspects last month after Labour failed to provide evidence that China was a national security threat.
Sir Keir Starmer claimed on Tuesday that his government was unable to provide that evidence, because it relied on the UK’s stance towards Beijing at the time the alleged offences took place – under the previous Conservative government.
However, a Tory spokesman said that while “Labour claimed they had nothing to do with the collapse of the China spy case”, it had since emerged that it “seems to have been a barefaced lie”.
They told The Telegraph: “Keir Starmer must urgently come clean about what he knew when, and what role he had in the decision to withdraw the key witness.
It appears this Labour government let two alleged spies walk free and the PM is trying to cover it up. But he cannot hide from the truth any longer.”
The witness involved in the case, who was responsible for explaining the Government’s view on China, was the deputy national security adviser Matt Collins.
The Government has denied that Mr Collins was “withdrawn” and says his evidence did not “materially change”.
On Tuesday, The Telegraph revealed that Stephen Parkinson, the current head of the CPS, had written to MPs to blame the Government for the collapse of the case against Christopher Cash and Christopher Berry last month
The two men had been accused of collecting intelligence on anti-China MPs and government policy towards Beijing, and passing it to a senior member of the Chinese Communist Party. They were charged in 2023 and have denied wrongdoing.
The CPS was forced to drop the case after prosecutors tried for “many months” to obtain evidence from the Government that China was a national security threat, but it was “not forthcoming”, Mr Parkinson said.
On Tuesday, Sir Keir, who was travelling to India for a pro-growth trade trip, told reporters: “What matters is what the designation was in 2023, because that’s when the offence was committed and that’s when the relevant period was.”
But critics say Labour could have given the evidence required by relying on public statements from MI5, which said China was spying on an “epic scale”, and Tom Tugendhat, the former Conservative security minister, who said Beijing was a “threat”.
The Government’s defence is that it would not have been possible to provide evidence that China was a threat to the UK, because the previous Conservative government did not use that word at the time
On Wednesday, Sir Keir said “the position is very clear” that “the trial would have had to take place on the basis of the situation as it was at the time under the previous Tory government”.
In the Integrated Review Refresh in March 2023 ─ the same month Mr Cash and Mr Berry were arrested, the Government said China represented an “epoch defining challenge”.
Government sources also pointed to a speech by James Cleverly, the former foreign secretary, in which he said that it would be “unwise” to sum up Britain’s position on China in one word.
But critics pointed out the Integrated Review document also said that the UK would “further strengthen our national security protections in those areas where the actions of the Chinese Communist Party pose a threat to people, prosperity and security”.
Government ministers, including under Labour, have generally preferred not to use the word “threat” to refer to China, amid concerns that doing so would cause a diplomatic spat.
China ‘wiping its hands with glee’
Lord Macdonald, who was Sir Keir’s immediate predecessor as director of public prosecutions (DPP), has now called for Lord Hermer, the Attorney General, to appear before MPs to give a “proper explanation” because China would be “wiping its hands with glee” about the case.He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “Everybody’s saying, you know, ‘I knew nothing about this. The decision was made by somebody else. No one consulted me. None of its my fault and I can’t explain it.’
“The reality is, you simply cannot have a serious national security case collapsing without some proper explanation being given to the public.
“And the Attorney General Lord Hermer has to attend Parliament when Parliament returns from its recess to explain what has happened here.”
He added: “The independence of the DPP and the prosecutor, of course, is crucial, although he will have required the Attorney General’s consent for this prosecution, and the Attorney General is a minister, and he’s entitled to consult with other ministers about the way they think the public interest lies.”
“This is serious stuff. We’re dealing here with a serious country that is seriously hostile towards us and will be, I think, wiping its hands with glee today.”
Critics say Labour could have given the evidence required by relying on public statements from MI5, which said China was spying on an “epic scale”, and Tom Tugendhat, the former Conservative security minister, who said Beijing was a “threat”.
Mr Parkinson’s letter, which appeared to blame the current Government for the collapse of the case, came after days of speculation about why Mr Cash and Mr Berry never faced a trial.
The Telegraph revealed on Saturday that the case had been closed because the Government did not provide enough evidence that China was an “enemy”, which was required under the Official Secrets Act 1911.
Mr Parkinson said that the CPS had approached the Government for more evidence after a similar case against a Russian spy ring in 2024, which established new case law about what the CPS was required to prove in court.
“Efforts to obtain that evidence were made over many months, but notwithstanding the fact that further witness statements were provided, none of these stated that at the time of the offence China represented a threat to national security,” he wrote to the chairs of the home affairs and justice committees.
“By late August 2025 it was realised that this evidence would not be forthcoming. When this became apparent, the case could not proceed.”
Mounting demands for answers
It is understood that Lord Hermer began oversight of the case when Labour won last year’s election, because the initial consent for the CPS to prosecute Mr Cash and Mr Berry was granted by his Conservative predecessor.The Labour peer has faced significant scrutiny since he took office last year, including over Sir Keir’s decision to give away the Chagos Islands under pressure from international courts.
The Telegraph has also previously revealed that he updated Government “legal risk” guidance to give himself an “effective veto” over policymaking by requiring Whitehall lawyers to report controversial policies to him.
There could also be further parliamentary scrutiny from the Intelligence and Security Committee, the independent panel of MPs and peers that oversees the work of the intelligence services.
Source Telegraph
Starmer really is showing himself to be a dictator.
How many times have we heard "the government is clear on this...'
Only to find it's not clear.
He condemns the protesters without addressing the issue in very firm terms.
But when a march is arranged for a terrorist group for the state he had just recognised the response is 'please don't upset anyone'
Not 'the government is clear this is a march in support of a terrorist group and I stand by the Police to deal with these thugs'
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Now it's, 'the government is clear, it is not our fault'
'Those policies are racist'
'We will introduce Digital ID before next Parliament and let me spell it out, you will not work without one'
Notice it wasn't 'no immigrant will be able to work'
It was
'You will not work without one'
Its phrasing like this that empath's like me pick up on.
Its not just what he said, it's what exactly words did he use, what tone, what expression did he have, mannerisms, it's the package.
He goes from a look of bewildered child when asked about topics he can shrug off as previous government's fault, "I don't know anything about it' to a Stern, 'we will not surrender our flag to thugs' and 'those are racist policies' or 'I'm absolutely clear on that' when he's pushing his policies.
He is not consistent.
Rings slarm bells in my mind.
Look at this case.
A major security issue and he's 'absolutely clear, it was absolutely not our decision, the clear facts are'
Until officials start writing letters and then it's the bewildered child look and 'well we don't know anything about this ' or 'we're not sure who made that decision' and 'it's not our fault'
Without any evidence they intend to find out, or correct it.
Meanwhile they are absolutely clear Digital ID, with additional costs to add to a ballooning financial black hole will stop illegal immigration.
Despite the fact all the experts sat it won't.
He was head of CPS, but he doesn't do anything about this Chinese case, despite it being directly in his field of expertise.
But ID cards, he knows better than experts in their field.
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This popped up today. Gordon Brown was supposed to be an economic genius.
Yet he ruined the Pensions and sold the nations Gold off cheap.
How genius is that?
Well it is genius if your intentions are to ruin the capitalist system from within.
A bad decision here and there.
Cost of Gordon Brown's gold sale 25 years ago spirals to £35BILLION
The cost of Gordon Brown’s decision to sell the nation’s gold on the cheap 25 years ago has ballooned to £35billion.
The then-Labour Chancellor sold 395 tonnes of bullion between 1999 and 2002 for a paltry £2.6billion.
The cost of Gordon Brown’s decision to sell the nation’s gold on the cheap 25 years ago has ballooned to £35billion.
The then-Labour Chancellor sold 395 tonnes of bullion between 1999 and 2002 for a paltry £2.6billion.
The difference is a whopping £35.4billion – highlighting the cost of his decision at a time when the current Labour chancellor Rachel Reeves is desperately scrambling to raise funds.
Tory business spokesman Andrew Griffith said: ‘A decision which was foolish at the time now looks catastrophically ignorant. An apology is due to the nation’s children whom his decision has burdened with extra debt.’
Mr Brown announced plans to sell almost half of Britain’s gold reserves in May 1999 to reduce the country’s reliance on bullion.
He later insisted it was a ‘perfectly reasonable’ decision as he looked to diversify Britain’s investments – ploughing much of the money raised into government bonds.
But his critics claim it was one of the worst financial decisions in British political history and cost the nation billions.
Mr Brown sold at an average price of $275 an ounce - a level that has since become known as 'the Brown bottom'.
The price of gold has risen almost 15-fold since then.
Veteran City commentator David Buik said: ‘Had Gordon Brown had the foresight to keep the gold reserves, the UK’s finances might have been £35billion to the good. And to think “prudence” was his byword.’
Gold has gone on a dizzying rally this year, climbing 50 per cent to a string of record highs, as investors worried about the state of the world look for somewhere safe to park their cash.
As an economic genius, did he not know the price of gold fluctuates and that it was at a low point?
He can't be that stupid, if he was, what the Hell was he doing running the country's finances.
Look at Digital ID, it's obvious this should be maintained and administered by the government.
To give its citizens personal details over to a private company to administer and store is highly questionable.
Why don't we ask an IT company to run our military systems?
Maintained the nuclear launch systems?
Its to important.
But not our personal details.
Thats worth a risk and the huge sums it would generate, the jobs, pay someone else to do it.
So we give taxpayers personal details to a private company to look after and profit from.
Its the dumbest idea ever, at least since Gordon Brown was in government anyway.
It takes wealth out of our economy.
It hands private and secure data of citezenship to a private company.
Starmer can not see how risky, damaging, insecure, costly and frankly politicizing that is.
If the CEO doesn't like a particular party, what's to stop him dragging his feet, being uncooperative.
What about employees getting paid off to provide sensitive data.
Its just an unbelievably stupid response to a problem, executed in an unbelievably stupid way.
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1 hour ago, Grumpy Owl said:
It's fucking criminal money laundering on a grand scale, and it's being done with OUR (taxpayers) money! FFS
It is, and the cracks are showing now.
Back in the 90's my dad explained something to me. A bit of background, didn't have much contact with my dad growing up. Mum poisoned us against him, we was told he didn't want us, that he was a wife beater and a bit of a gangster - he knew the Krays.
When my sister and I made contact with him again, of course we asked the truth about it, he denied knowing the Krays, he supposedly sparred with them, he learnt to box in the Army, when he came out he ran an Off Licence in the East End. He was a sparring partner to the Cooper bothers. He described the Krays as street punks.
So thats the context.
During the 90's when we did have some contact with him, he showed me a newspaper article of a Business man. The businessman had got investors to invest in a company that relied on a supply chain from several different countries. He set the companies up, placed the order with shareholder money, the money passed from one company to the next to somewhere abroad, and went bust, because nobody supplied anything. He walked away with millions and it was technically legal and beyond any single countries powers to do anything about it.
'These are the real Gangster's' he said. 'The ones that do it legally in a suit, not the ones selling watches out of car boots or extorting'
Fast forward a decade and a colleague spoke of a Spanish Mayor who after it being announced a new road would be built, announced his wife had bought a concrete factory nearby.
We see Michelle Mone, the PPV scandal, this was how Politicians stole our money, and it was obvious. Sitting on multiple company boards and being paid for the influence. This was the sleaze and we could see it.
Now, the theft is Policy.
Digital ID - farm out to private company so they make a fortune.
Social Housing - Farm out to Offshore companies.
Quango's - Give money to people for relatively nothing in return.
Bloated Civil Service largely 'working from home'
Rayner tax avoidance, gets a month off after resigning, because if she was sacked, she couldn't return, then Starmer states he wants her back.
Politicians pensions being better than we can dream of in Private sector and I don't think they have to do 20 years for it, I'm not sure. Certainly EU MP's automatically get it for service.
The biggest theft, extortion and money laundering gangsters are still the men in suits, but its not side hustle sleaze that see's them booted out or ostracized in the business community, it is National Policy, enforced by the Police and Military.
Scary times, but I think the corruption is out there for all to see, the hypocrisy is in most peoples faces, there are posts all over social media, we are connected without our local pubs and social events. The legislation they are bringing in, killing off Town Centres, Pubs, Restaurants, Shops, the war on Education, the Open Borders that has been allowed to get out of control, the National Debt, I've read of a Barrister going to local Police station to report the labour Party during the conference because their behaviour bordered illegal, with the rhetoric and slanders. He was Labour supporter but appalled at what he see's. We got barrister's taking legal cases on YouTube to challenge abuses of power. People calling for King Charles to dissolve parliament, petitions for General Election and no to Digital ID that Labour totally ignored and refused to debate in Parliament. Tommy Robinson going to Israel while Nethanyu criticizes our leader - Starmer. The abuses are out in the open now.
The hypocrisy, the disparity.
Its out of control, its in most peoples faces now, and its possible, this Digital ID to control an out of control immigration, that most people realize was Labours doing and Starmer was driving force behind keeping it going, is a step to far, they have revealed themselves. They are seriously corrupt and seek total control,
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Let's take our country back': Robert Jenrick says Brits are 'fighting' decline saying Tories must get behind 'collapse of the old order'
Robert Jenrick urged Tories to 'take our country' back today as he warned the 'old order' is collapsing - and took a brutal shot at 'activist' judges.
In his keynote speech to party conference, the shadow justice secretary said Brits were sick of decline and wanted to 'fight'.
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He said: 'The collapse of the old order is in sight. A new one is coming because the British people are fighting back and, conference, there's absolutely nothing that Labour can do to stop them.
'The only choice, the only choice we have is whether we have the spirit to fight with them.'
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I've said it before, the Green's are dangerous.
The Greens say they’ve got a plan to stop the boats. Unfortunately, it’s barking mad
Their proposal won’t solve the problem. In fact, it shows they don’t even understand what the problem actually is.Michael Deacon
Columnist
07 October 2025 6:00am BSTCynics often scoff that the Green Party is completely out of touch with ordinary people. But Zack Polanski, the Greens’ exciting new leader, is determined to prove them wrong.
During a recent trip to Nigel Farage’s constituency of Clacton, he says, he promised a voter that a Green government would “stop the small boats”. And how would it achieve this impressive feat?
Simple. It would allow the small boats’ prospective passengers to enter Britain by “safe and legal routes” instead.
Mr Polanski seems to think that this is a brilliant scheme. I fear, however, that not all voters will share his enthusiasm. Because, in effect, he’s pledging to stop people entering Britain illegally – by allowing them to enter Britain legally. He might as well say: “We’re going to end shoplifting – by requiring shops to give away all their products free of charge.”
Mr Polanski’s plan, therefore, will not solve the problem. In fact, it suggests that he doesn’t understand what the problem actually is.
Perhaps we should try to explain it to him. When people complain about “the small boats”, Mr Polanski, they don’t mean that they object merely to the mode of transport involved, and that arrival by some other mode of transport would be absolutely fine.
What they mean is that
a) they think it’s far too easy for people to enter this country, and far too difficult for this country to remove them once they’re here;
b) they’re not tremendously happy that the Government is spending £4m a day of their money on asylum hotels;
c) they harbour certain doubts as to whether these thousands of fighting-age men genuinely are all innocent victims of persecution, rather than brazen opportunists who have already passed through numerous safe countries on their way to exploit the British state’s largesse; and
d) they have an uneasy suspicion that some of the men may not prove to be model citizens – like the gentleman from Ethiopia who within eight days of checking into an asylum hotel in Essex had sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl.
Anyway, I hope that that clears things up for the Greens’ leader. I honestly do want to help him.
Because otherwise, I’m worried that, on his next trip to Clacton, he’ll walk straight up to the nearest member of the public, and squeak: “Fear not, ordinary person! We in the Green Party have listened to your concerns about irregular immigration. And now we’ve devised the perfect solution. We’re going to make it easier for these vast numbers of men to get here! Which will probably encourage even more of them to come! Now, can we count on your vote?”
Link - Telegraph
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Merkel opened the borders in Germany and called for mass immigration.
Labour have done the same.
Fury over Angela Merkel's claim Poland is to blame for Ukraine war: European politicians say she has 'blood on her hands' after 'rewarding Russia's blatant aggression'
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The former deputy prime minister of Latvia, Artis Pabriks, joined the chorus of criticism. The publication quoted him saying: 'Russia alone bears the blame for this aggression.'
He took to social media to voice his opposition to the statements, writing on X: 'The problem with Merkel’s announcements is that she plays by [the] Kremlin playbook to further [the] Kremlin agenda to split and fragment Europeans, turn[ing] us against each other.'
'She sounds like Russian influence agent,' he added.
Labour support her open border mass immigration policies.
Labour will not designate China an enemy and want closer ties despite the national security risks.
The EU, including UK, have armed Ukraine but have restricted how they use the arms. They are not allowed to attack Russia directly with weapons we give them.
What sort of policy is that?
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This is their Marxist ideology on display.
As i understand Academy schools are a kind of half way house between State and Private schools.
They are making Private schools to expensive, many have shut down.
They are forcing Academies to take difficult and disruptive children, to pay the same as State schools and teach the same way.
They're removing your right to homeschooling.
They are telling us how much sugar we are allowed to eat.
They are rolling out Digital ID and increasing State control of our children's education.
They are removing personal choices, destroying alternative options and increasing State control.
We will be forced to live by their rules, everything controlled by the State.
They are justifying this by arguing it improves care to vulnerable children and reduces education costs to parents.
The rights of a minority over the rights of the majority.
But it just gives them greater powers of interference and reduces access to non State schooling.
We will all be educated by the state, with State controlled curriculum, following state mandated pathways.
Our children can be deprived of Liberty (in the document) for the child's benefit.
Our children's personal details will be stored and can be shared amongst government, social services and police.
There will soon be no choice, it will only be State education with State curriculum controlled by the State and enforced by social services and the police.
When you go out, you will be told what to eat.
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1 minute ago, Screamingeagle said:
(the above implies to me that you support official narratives one way or another)
See my above post.
I don't not necessarily support mainstream narratives.
I absolutely oppose evil, evil ideology and any anti life or supremacist ideology.
I despise religions.
But sometimes you have to make a judgement call on what you will allow or are prepared to accept in this world.
Global Islamic state under Sharia Law is NOT something I will ever accept.
Its seems funny to me that anyone would think the Jews would promote, instigate or support an ideology that calls for their total destruction and a Global Islamic State.
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The small South-East Asian nation of Brunei has come under heavy international criticism since it introduced Islamic law which includes the death penalty for homosexuality. It is, however, only one of many nations which still criminalise in various ways consensual same-sex relationships.
How has Brunei changed its laws on homosexuality?
Brunei, a Muslim-majority former British protectorate in south-east Asia with a population of about 400,000, has started to implement laws that punish homosexuality with death by stoning.The new law was announced by the Sultan of Brunei, Hassanal Bolkiah, one of the world’s richest leaders, who has held the throne since 1967. He described the implementation of the new penal code as “a great achievement”.
Link - https://religionmediacentre.org.uk/factsheets/brunei-and-same-sex-persecution/
I'm not Gay, currently don't know any gay people. I have worked with gay people, and a couple of school friends came out as gay.
But I think this ideology is barbaric, anti life and anti god.
Brunei is not ISIS or Hamas, it's relatively mainstream Islam.
This IS an Islamic belief.
So if a terrorist organisation commands it's soldiers to kill gay people, or Jews, it's already in Islamic ideology that it is righteous to do so and there is no sin killing a gay person, a Jew, or a non believer, be they atheist or just non Muslim.
It is not a sin to groom and gang rape a non believer minor.
Its their ideology.
There is NO WAY I would ever defend these peoples actions.
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3 minutes ago, Screamingeagle said:
t doesn't matter what religion they were
the plan would be pushed through ,even if they were hobits
Israled gave stand down order for a reason...
problem ,reaction, solution
Thats right, it doesn't matter what religion they are.
What matters is the people doing it can be twisted mentally to murder, torture and rape.
It doesn't matter who's pulling the strings.
What matters is that these people are capable of doing these atrocious acts.
Those people, are Muslim.
If I was ordered to kill, torture or rape for my government or religion, I would refuse.
These people don't.
The reason for that, is their religion.
That religion is Islam.
The instability in the region benefits the Saudi Kingdom and Western countries.
I think China and Russia are quite happy with the situation as well.
Because they also profit.
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AI Question
Who Owns The Biggest Oil Companies.
Answer
Public Investment Fund (PIF) are the primary owners of the world's largest oil company, Saudi Aramco. The company tops the industry by market capitalization and production volume.
Ownership of Saudi Aramco
While Saudi Aramco is a publicly traded company on the Saudi Exchange (Tadawul), the vast majority of the company is held by the state.
Government of Saudi Arabia: The state directly holds about 82% of the company.
Public Investment Fund: The kingdom's sovereign wealth fund, the PIF, and its subsidiaries hold a 16% stake.
Public trade: Only a small fraction of shares (about 2.4%) is available for public trading.
Other major oil companies and their owners
In contrast to state-owned giants like Saudi Aramco, other large oil companies are investor-owned and publicly traded on stock exchanges.
ExxonMobil: As a publicly traded company, ExxonMobil is owned by its shareholders. Its largest institutional investors include Vanguard Group, BlackRock, and State Street Corp.
Shell: Similarly, Shell is publicly traded and owned by its stockholders. Major institutional investors like Vanguard Group, BlackRock, and Norges Bank hold significant stakes.
PetroChina: While publicly listed, PetroChina's controlling shareholder is the state-owned China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC), giving the Chinese government ultimate ownership.To me, it looks like instability in the Oil Region benefits the Saudi's, the West and China and Russia.
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19 minutes ago, Screamingeagle said:
Same thing ,but you know that one to .
I would say it was done for the benefit of the oil companies and the west. Not for Israel's benefit.
One question.
The soldiers that committed Oct 7th and the people fighting for Hamas.
I mean the people pulling the triggers and killing for Hamas.
Are they Jewish or Muslim?
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Woman filmed cutting down ribbons for Hamas hostages in London’s Muswell Hill
A woman has been caught on camera cutting down yellow ribbons representing hostages taken by Hamas from Israel on October 7.
The yellow ribbon is part of the Bring Them Home campaign for the civilians abducted by Hamas and held captive in Gaza for two years.But a young woman was seen cutting down a fistful of the ribbons as she claimed they are ‘condoning genocide’.
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22 hours ago, Screamingeagle said:
They were funded into existance by Israel
Oh.
Not sure about that, I would say it was CIA and British Intelligence.
Not that either of them are directly responsible for Hamas, but it was CIA and British Intelligence foreign policy that started all this and led to Hamas.
I think you'll find that Hamas funding comes from other Islamic groups.
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The Children's Wellbeing and Schools Bill.
Link - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/childrens-wellbeing-and-schools-bill-2024-policy-summary
This Bill will apparently be tied in with Digital ID.
It will allow greater information sharing between agencies, schools, social services and Police.
What it also does is remove the automatic right to Home school.
Forces Academy schools to pay teachers the same as National schools and force Academy's to follow the National Curriculum.
It obviously gives more powers to local government to decide what's best for the child.
It talks about restrictions of Liberty to children at risk.
Its just come up on my radar but I'm asking, where has this come from.
Was it in the manifesto?
We've now got Digital ID being rolled out without a democratic mandate.
They are joining it up with greater powers and information sharing regarding children.
It stops Academy's from being independent. If they have to pay the same salaries and teach the same Curriculum, what's the point in having Academy's?
Removes the right to Home School.
Israel: To Support, Or Not
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Greta Thunberg hasn’t got a clue about Israel – and here’s the proof
A typically holier-than-thou message about Israeli ‘cruelty’ was illustrated with an image of a man snatched by Hamas on Oct 7
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Of course, Greta’s own voyage was most certainly not a holiday. She undertook it solely because of her passionate commitment to the Palestinian cause. But, while I wouldn’t dream of doubting her sincerity, I do fear there may be one or two gaps in her knowledge.
Earlier this week she shared a post on Instagram, designed to highlight “the suffering of Palestinian prisoners”. However, she seems not to have noticed that the post was illustrated with an image of Evyatar David: an Israeli man taken hostage by Hamas.
Showing him in the darkness of a tunnel, looking desperately emaciated, the image is a still, taken from a video released by Hamas this summer. In that video, he croaked: “I haven’t eaten for days... I barely got drinking water.”
He is also seen digging what he says will be his own grave.
As you can imagine, quite a lot of Instagram users replied to Greta’s post, telling her that this shows she hasn’t got a clue what she’s talking about. And I’m afraid they may have a point.
In which case, perhaps it’s time for dear Greta to think about switching to her next big cause. She’s already done climate change. What now? Gender identity? Fatphobia? Bring back the 10p Freddo?
Alternatively, she could just take a well-earned holiday.
Ideally somewhere nice and warm. Wouldn’t want to lose that lovely tan.
Source - Telegraph