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Cheers. Nice to get others thoughts on it. As you say, if it wasn't bull I should be able to buy the material off him and then he says its easy to increase, yet none is for sale and the author seems to have disappeared. Having said that, some members on the Alchemy forum say its a worthwhile read for an introduction into Alchemy, so its not a complete waste of time if your interested in such things. I think you may be right about Chinese medicine, lets face it Alchemy is just the mixing of compounds derived from plants and Chinese Herbal is all about that. Interestingly, I heard a conspiracy theory about Chinese Herbal, apparently back in the 1900's when the Americans started to visit China, China was aware it didn't really have hospitals and health care, embarrassed about this they invented or re-invented their herbal medicine to say to the Americans, 'we don't need hospitals, everyone treats themselves with herbal medicine' made them feel better about themselves. I don't put much stock in that theory, Chinese herbal medicine seems to go way back but its one I heard anyway.

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I've seen you mention the 'Energetic Model' does the above tie i with that and can you expand on what the energetic model is. I suspect it deserves its own thread and probably other members would contribute, but if you want to outline it here that would be useful as I suspect its another layer of knowledge to the whole which is the truth in the Bible. As I mentioned in my OP Jesus may well have studied Buddhist practices and there is a Youtube guy - Donnahue that 'preaches' Jesus's teachings were about cultivating personal energy. First you clean your temple, then you build your house, the houses men build make communities and then communities build churches.

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I liked your post, don't agree with it all but it was a good post and thanks for taking the time to read what I wrote!. Regarding Jesus being a dark being, well that was partly due to Rev Taylors explanation that Jesus and Satan are an allegorical representation of the Sun. Jesus being the Sun in summer, riding high in all his heavenly glory, while when the Sun is in winter he is down in the bottomless pit and is Satan. Again, I don't mind if pagan astrotheological stories are entwined with spiritual truths, it would make it more interesting to me. But just because I accept, shall I say, the explanation of Rev Taylor in Devils Pulpit as having some truth doesn't mean I don't believe Satan actually exists. The two concepts are entirely different, Christians are using the symbology of Jesus and Satan to describe the Sun's path, that doesn't mean Jesus and Satan don't exist. Jesus not being his real name does not mean a man we call Jesus did not walk the earth and speak the spiritual truths attributed to Jesus. I believe there was a man, but again, even his name has been changed to reflect a pagan deity and that name and title is used to represent a real man.

Yes I am collecting information and knowledge hopefully, where does it lead me, well I think spirituality is like a mosaic that tells a story, gives a picture of something. So I hope these tidbits of information will lead me to understand the bigger picture. Well I can agree with some of that, to an extent who cares if religion has been used for control, if it saves people, gives a path to true salvation then to an extent it doesn't matter if it is also used for control be dark forces, that would just be the battle between good and evil fighting it out on the front line. Hopefully humans with good hearts would be able to discern the good from the bad and make the right choices. But I don't think organized religions guide us to profound understanding or a relationship with the true God, they seem to corrupt the very teachings they espouse and it appears that corruption takes a pagan form. Again, I don't necessarily object to there being pagan teachings in religion if they are explained as such but when they are misinterpreted as religious fact and doctrines built around them it becomes corrupt and that has the power to corrupt others.

In the beginning there was the void. Science and religion both agree on this. Then, God said 'Let there be light' and there was. The Big Bang says there was an explosion - usually an explosion includes light from the fire or flash if nuclear. From the explosion all the planets and stars were created. Along with the elements and natural laws we know. Also what must have been created was life, at least the building blocks of life. Fast forward a bit and borrowing from the Theory of Evolution, (I know it has flaws and is still only a theory but apart from creationism, its what we got). We were according to evolution at some point just amoeba type life forms floating on the sea. Our food source may have been sunlight like photosynthesis. We may have been aware enough to know when the sun was up and when it went down, hence we may have known of our dependence on the sun as a source of life. When it went down, all would be black (except the stars) and we would be floating in a sea of blackness waiting for the sun to come back up and nourish us. According to the theory of evolution we contain or rather retain traits from previous forms. Hence the amoeba type lifeform must somewhere be in our genetic make up and form part of our wiring or nervous system. As lower life forms - we may only have seen in 2D like dogs. We would have been aware of the sun disk, the warmth it brings and the light it gives making it safe to go out and hunt. Fast forwarding a bit and somehow we made it to humans, by which point we would have started observing. Some would have noticed the seasons follow each other, some would have noticed the star constellations changing We would have started to formulate a representation for them. We may have numbered them, or called them names, made them into shapes and assigned legends to them. In order to remember and pass on the knowledge we would have made up stories or rhymes for them - 30 days hath September, April June and November. Its a memory trick, the Romans used it, by assigning stories or rhymes to lists you can more easily remember them. In the case of the months rhyme, you don't even need to remember all of the rhyme, just remember the first bit and all the rest of the months have 31 days - as long as you remember the other months have 31 days you can extrapolate from the rhyme the information you require. Hence our ancestors would have made stories up about the Sun, the moon, the stars and the Suns passage through the heavens. It makes sense that the Sun would be the most central figure in our stories because as I have tried to illustrate it is probably hardwired into out psyche or even DNA as being important and the source of food and life. It would also be obvious that the suns thaw's out the snow and starts life blossoming again. Religions based on nature are Pagan. After the Sun and Moon and Stars we started inventing spirits for the animals and plants etc. But from the study of nature came healing herbs, paints and dyes. Among the shamans Alchemy started. Now I believe the stories made up to represent the natural world we see around us have been taken control of by dark magicians who understand not only the stories but also the workings of the mind and they have used these stories to control others. Let me explain, have you ever thought about advertising? Advertising is a form of Magic in action. You drive down the road and you see a billboard, the billboard is advertising coffee, you notice, nothing more. Now week or so later your in the supermarket shopping and you need coffee, you go to the coffee aisle and what do you buy? Well in my case quite often its the coffee I saw advertised. My rationale is this - if that company can afford to advertise it must be successful, that means people must be buying the product, that must mean its a good product, hence I'll buy it too. All very logical, but its irrelevant, what happened was someone, a complete stranger to me put up a sign, it had an impression on me and that impression modified my behavior at a later date to the outcome desired buy the person who put up the billboard. Thats magic, doing something to create and outcome favorable to the person instigating it. Yes it works, if it didn't we wouldn't have by now, same as religion, the spells work, if they didn't we would have abandoned it by now. Religion does the same as advertising, it has an impression on you, even if you think it didn't - 'thou shall not kill' well ok, never planned on doing it in the first place but you say its wrong so ok, I'll go along with that. So even if you think it hasn't worked on you, its made an impression and that impression is likely to influence your behavior in the future. Even if you reject the religion at some point you'l probably say 'thou shall not kill' so at some level, you'll have made an attachment. The spells are working on you. Hence they really are 'God Spells' which is what Gospel translates to. It also translates to 'God News' which is probably from where we get the Christian 'Good News' but actually 'God Spells' more accurately describes what is going on. The dark magicians understand that people want answers, and that they are quite lazy and don't want to find out for themselves, so by being able to supply the answer the magicians assume control of the enquirer. This is their power and the power of religion it relies on self formed belief, like my self formed opinion of a brand of coffee being superior to another brand based on an advert. I've rationalized it and formed my decision based on it even though I know advertising is no guarantee of quality or taste! Same with religion, people rationalize it internally but as a general, all agree or come to the same church or domination. I don't doubt that religious systems were started for the good, to try and civilize man, soften his heart and help him aspire more in life but I've no doubt they've been co-opted and used for control. I think the reason the spells work so well is because they hold a fundamental truth. They must do. I think there is a Soul, there is a God, some people have been inspired to write down and pass on concepts they have 'seen' I think inherently most people 'know' there is more to life than just our 5 sense's. Even the Big Bang theory has to be accepted that something 'miraculous' and 'outside of the normal confines of physics' happened and we don't know why or how, so something big needs explaining and God is the explanation for some people (me included) I just think religions are based on Paganism, have been co-opted, then corrupted and used for mass control, power and financial reward.

I find religions fascinating, the books we have are some of the oldest written records. They offer an insight into early psychology and most importantly of all they are said to contain wisdom from God. I originally thought to call this thread Christianity but I mention other religions and I suspect the same of all religions so lets have a discussion about religions. This is a simple OP hopefully touching on the reasons why I reject organized religion. I am no expert but there are some knowledgeable people on this site so hopefully it can generate interesting discussion. Christianity is based on a book whose stories contain symbology, allegory and gematria and likely other codes. It is said to contain '7 seals' An example of allegory is the saying 'A rich man can enter heaven as easily as you can thread a camel through the eye of a needle' To most of us this means its impossible for a rich man to enter heaven or some say it refers to a narrow opening. But apparently that may not be true. One interpretation of that saying is this - Jerusalem was a walled city and there were gates to enter and leave one gate was called The Needle. At night (Symbolic of death) the gates to the city would be closed. However you could still enter the city by the way of a small gate within the bigger gate, this small gate is called the 'Eye' Hence 'The Eye of the Needle' So for a rich man to enter the city at night, first he would have to wait in line, then he would have to unload his camel of his possessions. Finally, he can walk the camel through the needle on its knee's (camels can walk on their knees) So the lesson is a rich man can enter heaven if he is patient, unloads himself of worldy possessions and enters humbly (on his knee's) This is one example of allegory I know where the Bible story is interpreted differently to that which appears to be presented. I've read the Torah starts with the letter T and every 50th letter it spells out TORAH, heavily indicating it is a concisely structured book which lends itself to the notion the book is written in code. I've read that when a chapter begins with 'O' that is a signal for a secret teaching to be inserted, one not written in the book. In addition to this the Bible books contain Gematria where names and places have been switched with other names and places of the same numerical value i.e where A=1, B=2, C-3 etc. Then neames or places can be given a numerical value and switched with another word with the same numerical value. Its appears Christianity contains Pagan myths encoded into its teachings, one example of this is Sun worship encoded in the fable of Jesus which has been covered all over the internet. The Christians worship on the day of the Sun, in a temple orientated to the Suns' rise and setting. They celebrate at various days of the year relating to the Sun's transition across the sky. Jesus was not born on 25th December. The Catholic church or rather Jesuits have telescopes trained on the sun, studying it. Do they report their findings to the congregation? What is the religious purpose of studying the sun? Sun worship is a part of Paganism and many connect it to Baal worship. Baal is often portrayed as the Hebrew God's main adversary. Baal also means owner or Lord. St Peters square appears to be a giant Sundial with its central Obelisk. The name Peter being close to Pater which was the title given to the leader of Pagan sects and hence chosen to be the originator of Christianity. Holy communion is, to my view, akin to ritualized cannibalism at worst and at best it is the celebration of the Sun's power through eating the fruits of its rays - bread and wine, and hence Sun worship, According to John Allegro Christianity contains Magic Mushroom cult influences, again, shamanic or pagan like beliefs. The Buddhists say, Jesus visited the Far East and studied Buddhism taking the teachings back with him and there are people like Bill Donahue who are trying to decode the Buddhist teachings of Jesus. Its just possible that by studying Buddhism you are following Christ. Interestingly where were the 3 wise men from? They came from the East, well East of the Middle East where Jesus was born is the Far East, is it possible Buddhists visited Jesus's birth as the 3 wise men? Its been said they may have been from Persia and followed Zoroastrianism. It has been said ending a prayer with Amen assigns the prayer to Amon the Egyptian god. As stated above, Baal means Owner or Lord. If we address our prayers to Lord are we directing them to Baal? Catholics pray to saints and also to the Pope, you see them kneel at statues - this is idolatry and forbidden according to their own religion. Paganism involved the worship of many deity's. I've read that Judaism is based on Pagan myths and of course Christianity is based on Judaism. It is also said Jesus and Christianity was made up by the Roman Piso family. There was a leaflet circulating back in the 70's that laid out the conspiracy and used Gematria to prove certain names were interchangeable with Piso family names. Hence Jesus may be a Roman creation. The Jews were supposedly in on this deception or rather were the only ones, other than the Piso family, to know about it. If I remember correctly there was also supposed to be a famous letter written from some church leader to another about the church getting rich off the myth of Jesus. I can't understand circumcision, religious people believe God is perfect and everything he does is perfect and yet they seem to think when it comes to designing men, he got it wrong and they need to 'correct' his mistake. Its unbelievable and wrong on many levels. Same with drugs, God designed all of creation yet somehow he also designed 'bad plants' that we should not use, again, if God created everything he did it for a reason and we shouldn't assume he made mistakes. Bill Hicks spoke about that. There appears to be links with Jesus and Cannabis, cannabis oil being one of the tools he used to heal. Also, it is thought Cannabis incense was burnt in churches to help attain a spiritual state. Some, Rastafarian believe Cannabis is the Tree of Knowledge. Coptic Christians use it to enter a spiritual state. Has its use been suppressed to us by the Church? Is Jesus Lucifer/Satan? Thats an interesting thought, it seems a few people think so. It came up on the old forum but its down right now otherwise I would have copied and pasted from them to put some views up. I'm very interested to hear peoples theories on that. If we are guided by spiritual energies yet we are blind as humans to that realm how can we be sure who the guide is. The spiritual guide could present itself as anything and we are unable to know for sure what it is. Maybe Jesus is Lucifer with a different mask on and when we die the mask is removed and the true teacher revealed. Maybe the true guide is neither Jesus or Lucifer its just it appears to us as one or the other or one of a number of other deities we supposedly know about. Lucifer (perhaps a Latin word) or Satan is supposed to turn humanity to worship him, he would not be openly able to do this so it is logical that he would try to deceive us into worshiping him as something else, most Christians worship Jesus as God, hence it would be a good trick for Satan to appear as Jesus and divert worship from God to him. Who is Jesus Christ? Thats not even his real name its a corruption of Latin and English, his Roman name would be Jesus Christus but we leave off the 'us' to Anglicize it thus his English name should be Jes Christ, but Christ is just a title. So what does 'Jes' mean? You have to break it down into its roots and radicals. First off, there isn't a 'J' in Hebrew or Greek, so the 'J' translates to 'I' so we have 'Ies' breaking that down we get 'I' the Greek and Hebrew symbol for God or the One Great God and 'es' which is Phoenician for Fire. Hence Ies stands for Great God of Fire. What was the great God of fire in Paganism? The Sun. Hence Jesus's name means Great God of Fire. Christians have different versions for his real name and if I remember correctly the Buddhists called him Esa or Isa, so do the Muslims. So why do we have Jesus Christ as his name born on 25th December as central to Christian faith when both facts are untrue? Do they even know his real name? How can Christians be sure if they are praying to Jesus Christ that they are praying to the right entity. My guess is that Jesus Christ is his title and thus by praying to the title they are directing their prayer to the Man or God that is Jesus. So here is an example of deflected worship. Regarding communicating with energies, the Bible itself warns us against any dealings with the occult or even astrology. Hence dealing with spiritual energies is not advised yest Religions are themselves occult, they deal witht the spiritual realm and hence the dead. We celebrate the dead on Halloweens day, a festival lots of Christians join in with yet in reality its a morbid thing to celebrate. Same as Jesus on the cross, as Bill Hicks said 'If Jesus comes back do you think he will want to see another cross?' Why then don't Christians use the Fish for instance as his symbol. (some do, called Church Of Ichthus bu they again seem to be based on pagan ideals) According to an archaeological study it seems God originally had a wife - Asherah. I've often wondered in the Genesis verse where God says 'Let US make Man in OUR image' who he was talking to. Of course then he made a Man and then a Man and Woman (thats if you read the King James version). Where has the female God gone? Did Jesus have a wife? The Gnostic texts talk of Jesus kissing Mary on the mouth. The Gnostic's believed sex bought a couple closer to God. So is it likely Jesus had sexual relations with Mary? Its likely he was a man after all. As a religious Jewish man it would also be expected of him to take a wife. Did he and Mary marry? Some interpret the wedding at Canna where Jesus turned water into wine as their own wedding ceremony. There is Gnostic and Apocryphal gospels that suggest Jesus had a wife. There is the Cult of Mary Magdalene in France where if I remember correctly Mary was depicted with child. Could there be a bloodline? The Bible translations differ from the originals regarding the creation of man, in the Anchor Bible series which purports to be a literal translation of the original texts, the verse apparently reads - God first made a Human (without sex) and from this Human it took a side (half) and then created Man and Woman. Hence man was not created first and Woman was not created from a small insignificant part of Adam but was probably made with equal 'Holy Stuff' (read clay or dust) Christian sects have different versions of the Bible and differing beliefs. There are differences between the translated versions and the Greek versions, there are differences in the Gospels and they have been added and changed. The ascension story of Jesus ascended into the Heavens was added later and not in the Greek. The Quran is said to be a perfect book and written in such a way that it can't be changed. For it to be stated as such is as if the Muslims have learnt the lesson of the Bible being mistranslated and misinterpreted and corrupted and have tried to guard against the same happening to their book. Thus the charge that the Bible has been altered and corrupted is an old one that goes way back. Also the Quran levels the charge that some people of the book are sun worshipers and idolaters, again this charge against Christianity goes way back beyond Zeitgeist even beyond Rev Taylor's Devil Pulpit written and preached in 1800's and Alexander Hislop Two Babylons again written in 1800's. In the Gospel of Thomas Jesus says - Jesus said, "It is I who am the light which is above them all. It is I who am the all. From me did the all come forth, and unto me did the all extend. Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there." To me, if you lift a rock, in the space where the rock was sitting there is now open space but sunlight has filled it, same with if you split wood, sunlight will fill the space in between. So I think Jesus himself is saying he is the sun. If Jesus is the Sun and also the Son then who is the father? That which created the Sun and of course us. Then we have other texts like the Gospel of Mary not accepted a part of the christian religion. The council of Nicea deciding what to accept essentially filtering out many texts that could help our understanding. The church not releasing early works for public scrutiny. There was a Christian church in Ethiopia (or somewhere) that predated the first Roman church so the Spanish on discovering this destroyed it and the writings in it as being sent from the devil. Many religious texts have been burnt or destroyed. What did they have to say? What do the Freemasons know? I have been told part of it is the Gospel of Good Works. I think the gist is if they do charitable work for one another they all benefit, get rich and get into heaven for being charitable, a kind of loophole into heaven. But their system is wrapped up in mystery and according to their own website they don't know its origins. Do they even know who they worship? Pike says Lucifer, I don't know enough about it but on the regalia can often be seen two towers, this symbol links back to Mithraism and possibly Baal worship as I've read Baal was represented by two towers as well as a Bull and other symbols. Obelisks, temples and towers being associated with Sun worship and hence possibly rooted in Baal worship. If Lucifer is a Roman creation and Freemasonary may have its roots in Mithraism, practiced in Roman times, then its possible it is has links to Luciferianism. Some see Lucifer as the Morning Star and hence associate it with enlightenment and masons are all about enlightenment and receiving the light. According to Rev Taylor, Jesus is symbolically the Sun. The gospels have obscure references to which he describes the motion of the sun through the various signs at different times of year. Its very compelling, in this interpretation Jesus and Satan are one and the same - both the sun, Jesus is the sun in summer riding high in his heavenly glory, and Satan is the sun in winter in the depths of the bottomless pit. It backs up the whole astrotheology theory. I wonder if this knowledge encoded into the bible is one of the 7 seals? Without an understanding of languages, history, symbology, numerology, codes and occult knowledge how can anyone understand the message in the bible or other religious books. How can you be certain you are directing your worship towards the right energy/entity? This is why I think religions are corrupted, they have been altered and true meanings hidden so the uninitiated direct their worship to other entities and not God. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to" With all that I've just written, I have been told, and I believe it, there is a golden thread of truth that runs through all religions which is partly why I find it so fascinating. I think most Christians are good people I just worry they are being used as pawns by the dark side in spiritual warfare. Read thew sermon on the mount, I believe that lays out Jesus's teachings. From what I've read, an old Rabbi once said 'Treat everyone as you wish to be treated is all you need to take from religion, everything else is window dressing' Paraphrasing there but thats basically exactly what was said - he was speaking of Judaism but the same could be said for Christianity. Love thy neighbour, if we all did that as individuals and nations then wouldn't it be heaven on earth. Worth mentioning the book, 'The First Coming: How the Kingdom of God Became Christianity' by Thomas Sheehan. In it the author argues that Jesus came and completed his mission and established the Kingdom of Heaven here on Earth, we all just need to realize it and act accordingly. As previously stated, if we all treated each other as we ourselves wish to be treated this world would be a much better place. Jesus freed us from the old superstitions and ridiculous rules like stoning a person for wearing two different types of fabric/ material. Or sacrificing first born cattle and all the other and barbaric superstitions from our Pagan past and introduced a simple religion with a few rules and one day off a week. What the hell happened to turn it into a religion of persecutors, torturers and murders God only knows. Well ok , we do know - Men. Thats what happened to it, it got corrupted by men. So thats my rant against religions with a conspiratorial slant. Are religions based on Pagan myths, are Christians praying to the wrong energies, are all religions corrupt, does anyone here understand religion and able to discern the truth? What is it? How do you talk to Jesus? How do you know it IS Jesus? 'Whats his real name? I think what we call God is the soul of the universe and all living things are a part of it and connected to it. It doesn't need worship, I guess acknowledgement is good, but for me you don't need churches or temples, I think the best thing to do is get out into nature and appreciate it, feed some wild animals, be kind to each other (love thy neighbor) If you must pray do it privately (But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. Mathew 6.6) If I was going to follow a religion it would be Quakerism or perhaps Buddhism, although the latter is considered more a philosophy not a religion and may well be based on Paganism again, but its heartening to think that Jesus may have been a Buddhist. I'm still learning though so I'm open to new ideas. But I think unless you know exactly what your doing getting involved in any organized religion is a spiritually risky thing.

Freemasonry is Luciferian, from Manly P Hall

I'm posting this as, well, a curiosity. Its a very interesting read and I'm not that into Alchemy. The author draws on some very old sources from which he quotes extensively. They themselves make interesting reading. The author asks that the book be distributed so I'm doing as asked and because I think forum members interested in this sort of thing will find it an interesting read. Its not a very long book. Apparently there was a thread on this in the old forum but, well, who knows whether that will re-emerge. As to the voracity of the claims. Well obviously I am skeptical. It seems to me it could be like the virus writers, they obviously get a kick out of knowing someone has downloaded their malware and its erased data on their PC. The virus writers get nothing out of this except some smug satisfaction that they've p*ssed people off. Maybe the author is the same. He's put this out there as some joke that only he will get a kick out of. Unfortunately, there is only one way to test the claims - that is to follow the instructions and document the outcome. This means we fall into the 'trap' that the author gets his kick out of. So what to do. Don't know, I'm not rushing out and buying the equipment the book lists. However I probably am going to re-read the book again, it was that interesting especially if your into arcane knowledge. We do know it has been 10 years since the book was published and nobody's come forward with anything. However some people have come forward to say the method is correct except the starting ingredient is wrong and should be snow - from Mount Ararat. Still others have come forward and said the process works as described but you don't end up with the stone, instead you end up with something called Alkahest, another potion used in Alchemy. It certainly caused a bit of a stir on the Alchemy website with one member describing the attitude towards the author as of looking on at a child with a box of matches in his hand and just about to light one. Perplexing though is the knowledge found in this book. For the author to be able to quote from old books he must have read them and is therefore well read in the subject. So that elevates it above being an internet prank. As of this moment, I don't know what to make of it. There are webpages on the net claiming it to be a hoax, citing Manly P Hall's explanation that Alchemy was a spiritual work to elevate the soul and not produce a Philosophers Stone, the stone being mythical. Apparently the author or supposed author set up an ebay page selling the equipment he designated in the book, supposedly, I guess I don't know, but for it to be a scam then he would be selling the kit at an inflated price. But seriously, how much would you make out of that. There was a character supposed to be the author who joined forums but apparently turned out not to e. Reading on the Alchemy forum a member stated 'that which is hidden will remain hidden' However other forum members have posted about the book indicating they take it seriously to some extent and leave it for the reader to make up their own mind. Anyway, if your interested in the Philosophers stone or would like an introduction to Alchemy then this book/pamphlet is a very interesting read, even some of the alchemist on the Alchemy website say its worth a read. I tried accessing the website the author says is set up but it seems the website has been down for sometime. When you try and access it you need to install a Chrome extension which modify's your search engine. Don't like the idea of that, its like that awful 'Start Page' search engine that used to get installed on your browser when you didn't want it and I don't even know if you'll get to the actual website after. Here's some links - Some articles - ATS Thread about it - Enjoy.

Well its happening to me and I'm logging in on the same device. Seems to be when I put the phone down and go away for 20-30 mins then come back and reload the forum I need to do another Captcha.

Cheers. I see a Bull depicted on that pillar which is synonomous later with Baal worship which is also associated with Sun worship and the article mentions stone circles which is also associated with Sun worship and it mentions engravings of Snakes and Scorpions among other things. It appears to me our ancient ancestors worshipped the Sun and nature in a Shamanistic way that morphed into Paganism which got refined into Mystery religions which spawned Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Freemasonary and Christianity and others possibly even Buddhism. The irony is I think Jesus came to put an end to all the old superstitions and usher in a new era. Yet all we got was the same old Pagan beliefs repackaged into a new fable. And there's a suspicion in my mind that Christianity is another trick based on a deception, maybe with Jesus complicit in it - done for the 'right' reasons - to free us from the old violent religions and put us on a better spiritual path. But still, a deception none the less. Or maybe the message from the man we call Jesus has just been controlled and corrupted by dark magicians. Sorry, rambling a bit.

Wonder how they explain Bush Snr's speech about 'the big idea, a new world order' how is it a conspiracy theory when a president stated thats what they were working towards? Someone should post a link to a clip of Bush giving his new world order speech to a comments section if they have one.

Thats interesting. I would have said the oldest deity was the Sun, or possibly the Snake. What evidence have you got it was the Crane? Can't open the link you posted as you need to log in as a member which I'm not. I like his stuff but never signed up to anything on his site.

Thanks. Downloaded and added to my collection. Reading it now, coincidently I just re-read 'Dead Mens Secrets' which is an archeological book dealing with the idea of lost civilizations that were wiped out by great flood so it will be interesting to see how this one correlates. The idea of pole shifts and crust movement has been floating around the conspiracy scene for years. There does seem to be evidence of major cataclysms in the past. Not heard of this book before so thanks for posting.

Don't want to hijack the thread but @Messenger have you seen this video of TT Brown - Future Fantastic 6 - Weird Science Future_Fantastic_06_-_Weird Science(2).mp4

I'm just presenting information I have accumulated over the years. I had the article as a PDF in my collection. This is a Public Internet Discussion Forum, its purpose is for the exchange and discussion of ideas and information. I do not have a love affair with Gardner, I've read a couple of his books, I've to some extent taken the information on board and then I move forward with my exploration. A few weeks ago I was reading the Satanists website, just because I am interested in what they say, not because I want to be a satanist or have a love affair with the devil. I find information interesting and I explore wherever my interests takes me. Why that seems to offend you I do not know.

The Hidden History Of Jesus And The Holy Grail

Found the rest of the articles so I'll post them.

Please report any threatening posts to the moderators.

Yes I was or at least my intentions were'nt malicous but Ok - I'll keep my nose out of it in future.

Oh RideForever, I was just trying to be cordial, friendly even. I won't bother in future.

Not whining mate, just saying it as it is. Good to have your point of view here.