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  1. Peckinpah's classic. Bob Dylan, Chris Christopherson and James Coburn, a tale of violence and where it leads, with a great soundtrack and beautiful cinematography and fantastic, realistic period western acting. I really reccomend this one -
  2. Billy Two Hats, an intriguing film, a different kind of Western with some hard hitting and magical moments. A great film.
  3. How about some Westerns - Gregory Peck in a great film, again with a powerful message about the pointlessness of violence. One of the best westerns imo
  4. Then there's Daywatch and Nightwatch (Perhaps a bit anti-pc as its Russian, still good art is good art)
  5. Phrophecy Trilogy - Great Supernatural film
  6. Oh I've got to many favourites, but I like films that portray real life experiences, they are best for me. This one is about the pointlessness of violence. Bring Me The Head of Alfredo Garcia https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0071249/
  7. I disagree with this article. The Bible is a Flat Earth book, I won't go through the verses I think betray that the writers thought the Earth was flat and as such, the Bible cannot be seen as the Divine word of God. Christians are used to squirming under their beliefs, they go through all sorts of mental gymnastics and an unhealthy dose of cognitive dissonance mixed in with the brainwashing to stick with their faith, as that article shows. The authors argue that most of the verses are interpreted incorrectly and are largely due to Geocentric arguments, but again, they where wholly and absolutely wrong about the Earth being Geocentric - but thats forgotten about, or glossed over. Once again I see Christians squirming under their faith to reason out something they cannot accept, like they don't accept they are Sun worshipers or Polytheists with their Trinity, Saints, Mother of God and Satan beliefs, they do not believe in One God they believe in many but excuse it with tales of Angelic hierarchy and God is 3 in One nonsense. Christians are Sun worshiping Pagans and the Bible IS a Flat Earth book. Example Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.” 10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! How could Satan show Jesus ALL the kingdoms of the world if the Earth was not flat? Half the Kingdoms of the world would be on the other side of the Globe. Hence Satan could only have shown Jesus ALL the kingdoms of the world if it was Flat! Hence the writers of that passage believed the world was flat. Sorry, just Christians trying to deflect and argue against something as plain as the nose on their face, again.
  8. What do you mean - 'people of Satan' do you mean people who are anti-good / anti life or do you actually believe in the christian demi-god Satan, ruler of Hell?
  9. Hi Keenly, Have looked at your posts but their a bit confusing. Perhaps you could start a thread explaining the basis of your theory, what these ideas stem from. As I understand it Heterosexuals are Satanic and intersexual people are more evolved? Is that what your trying to say? And if so can you explain the reason or basis for this idea. Also, be good to use some punctuation and seperate you posts into paragraphs. It makes reading a lot easier. Edit: I should also say - welome aboard.
  10. The Masters Carpet Or, Masonry and Baal-worship Identical ; Reviewing the Similarity Between Masonry, Romanism and "the Mysteries" and Comparing the Whole with the Bible Book by Edmond Ronayne Link - https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.coloradofreemasons.org/pdfDocuments/library/TheMastersCarpet.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjQg6Lv_cr3AhXXgVwKHXHSDC4QFnoECAMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1mmBMCyyHhI-3kgsyu-9Rm In this book the author writes that Freemasonary is based on the same Pagan mystery teachings as the Roman Catholic church, and I suggest, its derivatives like the Church of England. Freemasons worship their Holy Trinity of the Sun, Mother Nature and Baal. The earliest Trinitarian religion originates, as usual in Egypt, Osiris, Isis and Horus, the Sun, Mother Nature and their off spring.
  11. Jesus was trying to teach primitive people with Pagan understandings, he was speaking in 'their' language/mentality. imo
  12. How do you know God to be a 'He'? I think of God as omnipotent, eternal and infinite. I don't see how such a being could be classified in human terms of 'He' or 'She' Pagan superstition to call God 'the Father' - do you know where the belief stems from? That teaching from Levictus was meant for priests by the way.
  13. I'll just say this - those are not the words of the one we call Jesus. If you accept Jesus came to establish a new covenant, a new agreement with God, a new Testament, by what authority do you hold those teachings to be true or relevant?
  14. "27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." If he created Man and Woman in his own image, then he must be a man and woman God - a hermaphrodite. That is, if you take the Bible to be the divine word of God and the ultimate truth and you read it literally, then you have to accept it - as a good Christian, that God is Bisexual. How then, anyone can say they worship such a God yet condemn gay's or bisexual's is beyond me. And I agree with you - God created everything, therefore IT created them too, so they are just as much a part of God's creation as anyone else.
  15. Unknown. Here's a link - Sign of the end? 'Alien' UFO to crash into Earth TODAY on THIRD Friday 13th of year 07:40, Fri, Nov 13, 2015 Link - https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/614736/Sign-of-the-end-Alien-UFO-crash-Earth-weeks-THIRD-Friday-13th-year
  16. Hi, as I have not responded to this post, I thought I would explain why, so you, and nobody else reading thinks I'm ignoring it. (Sorry its taken so long) I think you've presented a rational alternative view to the philosophy in my post, and I am happy to let it stand, unchallenged, so anyone can make up their own mind. As is evident, others are in agreement or sympathy with you. It is of course the purpose of these forums to exchange ideas, so thank you for contributing and presenting this view.
  17. And I find this one fascinating.
  18. I tried starting a similar thread but it got nowhere - anyway, here's what I posted. The Maltese Cross.
  19. From Wiki - Nazarene is a title used to describe people from the city of Nazareth in the New Testament (there is no mention of either Nazareth or Nazarene in the Old Testament), and is a title applied to Jesus, who, according to the New Testament, grew up in Nazareth,[1] a town in Galilee, now in northern Israel. The word is used to translate two related terms that appear in the Greek New Testament: Nazarēnos ('Nazarene') and Nazōraios ('Nazorean'). The phrases traditionally rendered as "Jesus of Nazareth" can also be translated as "Jesus the Nazarene" or "Jesus the Nazorean",[2] and the title Nazarene may have a religious significance instead of denoting a place of origin. Both Nazarene and Nazorean are irregular in Greek and the additional vowel in Nazorean complicates any derivation from Nazareth.[3] Link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazarene_(title) Jesus of Nazareth or Jesus the Nazorean, exactly like the Mandaens above. Denoting Jesus as being initiated into a Gnostic Sect. This Gnostic sect also takes much of its mythology from Egypt, where they found people of similar religious disposition. Just like I have been trying to illustrate in this thread, Christianity, Judaism and onward into Freemasonry ALL draw their teachings from ancient Egypt. It is the worship of the Trinity - Osiris, Isis and Horus, which are representative of the Pagan practices of worshipping the Sun, Nature and the Spiritual or Mystical aspect of existence, which always results in a part human saviour King who is born of man and rules with Divine authority. According to Dupuis, this is the root of ALL religious systems extant.
  20. The Secret Adam A Study Of Nasoraean Gnosis by E.S. Drowser INTRODUCTION By the rivers of 'Iraq and especially in the alluvial land of Al-Khaur where the Tigris and Euphrates squander their waters in the marshes, meeting and mating at Qurnah before they flow into the Persian Gulf, and into the lowland of Persia along the Karun, which like its two sister rivers empties into the Gulf, there still dwells the remnant of a handsome people who call themselves 'Mandaiia', Mandeans ('gnostics'), and speak a dialect of Aramaic. When the armies of Islam vanquished the Sassanids they were already there in such numbers that the Qur'an granted them protection as 'people of a book', calling them 'Sabeans'. To that name they still cling, both in literary form and as the vernacular 'as-Subba', for it ensures their existence as a tolerated community. The word (from Syriac) means 'submergers' and refers to their baptism (masbuta) and frequent self-immersion. In the ninth book of 'Fihrist alulum', Al-Nadim, who wrote in the tenth century, calls them 'al-Mughtasilah', 'the self-ablutionists' I chose none of these names when writing of them in this book for, though this may appear paradoxical, those amongst the community who possess secret knowledge are called 'Nasuriia' - 'Nazoreans' (or, if the heavy 's' is written as 'z', Nazorenes). At the same time the ignorant or semi-ignorant laity are called 'Mandeans', 'Mandaiia' - 'gnostics'. When a man becomes a preist he leaves 'Mandaeanism' and enters 'tarmiduta', 'preisthood' Even then he has not attained true enlightenment, for this, called 'Nasirutha', is reserved for a very few. Those possessed of its secrets call themselves Nasoreans, and 'Nasorean' today indicates not only one who observes all rules of ritual purity, but one who understands the secret doctrine. Where am I going with this? Jesus the Nazarene? The Christians hold that Jesus was called 'Jesus the Nazarene' because he was from Nazareth. Well the historical record shows that the town of Nazareth did not exist in Jesus' day. It had existed some time before Jesus walked those lands but then it ceased to exist when he was active and was re-established again after his time. So why Jesus of Nazareth? According to Madam Blavatsky in Isis unveiled the term 'Nazarene' applied to a religious sect with secret teachings. The term Jesus THE Nazarene refers to the fact that Jesus was the greatest of the Nazarenes and hence he was THE Nazarene. Now, 40 years later after Blavatsky wrote we find a scholar has researches a semi-secret religious sect who claim to have descended from those lands who call themselves very similarly 'Nasoreans' and claim to have a secret knowledge. This ties in perfectly with Madam Blavatsky claiming Jesus was an adept in a secret order called Nazarenes and this ties in perfectly with Gnostics who claim to have a descended secret knowledge of Jesus and the Bible. I challenge the Christians - prove to me your saviour was from a town called Nazareth and that Jesus was in fact not an initiate into the Nasorean sect and was schooled in their Gnosis. Personally I think the similarities are to close to ignore and knowing the town of Nazareth did not exist in Jesus' time just goes to prove that Madam Blavatsky was correct in her occult understanding of our Christian religion. Let us not forget Jesus was also an Essene and a Priest in the Order of Melchizedek and as I believe an initiate in Gnosticism as his title 'Jesus the Nazarene' now suggests with the work of this author. Would anyone deny that Jesus, the greatest teacher and prophet, would not know the 'Secret Doctrine'? Can anyone prove that rather than being the designation of an order that Jesus was a member of, it is in fact his postal address of a town that didn't exist in his time?
  21. Religious Dogmas And Customs of the Egyptians, Pythagoreans and Druids By John Fellows A.M Published 1835 P12 The character of the Egyptian writing designed to signify God, was not a simple flame or blaze, as was the general usage of the East but a circle, or rather a sun. They added to the circle or solar globe several marks, or attributes which served to characterize so many different perfections. For instance, in order to indicate that the Supreme Being is the author and preserver of life, they annexed to the circle sometimes two points of flame, but more commonly one or two serpents. This animal was always, among the Egyptians, as in other countries, the symbol of life and health. Not because the serpent makes itself look young again, by every year casting its old skin, but because among most of the eastern nations, as the Phoenicians, Hebrews, Arabians and others, with the language of whom that of Egypt had an affinity, the word 'heve' or 'heva' equally signifies life, and a serpent. The name of 'him who is,' the great name of God Jov or Jehova thence draws its etymology. 'Heve' or the name of the common mother of mankind comes likewise from the same word. (Jehovah = The Sun) P31 Funeral symbols and Ceremonies There were near the Egyptian towns a certain ground appointed for the common burying place. Diodorus Siculus, (Biblieth. i. l.) informs us how these tombs were regulated, and in exact description of the burying place, was on the other side of the lake called Acherusia, from - 'acharis, after,' and from - 'ish, man,' comes, - 'acharis ultima hominis' the last condition of man, or rather what follows the death of man. They also say - 'acheron', 'postremum', 'condition ultama' The dead person was brought to the shore of the lake, and to the foot of a tribunal consisting of several judges, who inquired into his life and conversation. When he had not faithfully followed the laws, the body was left unburied, and very likely was thrown into a sort of lay-stall or ditch called Tartarus. This word may come from the Chaldaic, - 'tarah', 'pramonito'. doubling the word. Diodorus informs us, that there was near a town, at a small distance from Memphis a leaking vessel, into which incessantly poured Nile water; which could signify nothing but endless tortures and remorse's. And this single circumstance gives room to think, that the place where the unburied bodies were thrown, was set around with frightful representations. P35 The Establishment of the laws. Menes The rural works not being resumed in Egypt, till after the Nile had quitted the plain, they, for this reason, gave the public sign of husbandry the name of Moses or Meseus (saved from the waters;) and on the same account, the moons during which Horus Apollo, or husbandry, continued his exercises, went also by the same name. About the end of Autumn, the inhabitents being freed from the works of the field, manufactured in their night - work the line thread and cloth, which were one of their chief riches. The sign which was the publication of it, took the name of Linus, which signifies 'watching, the setting up in the night' (-Lyn, to watch) The star that lights the night has on this account retained the same name, and so has the matter itself that was manufactured during those watchings. This sign has evidently given birth to the tales of Linus, Meseus, Orpheus, Picus, Ganymede, and many other pretended heroes or legislators, of which it is needless to pretend to determine and fix the chronology and the above. The custom they had, to publish the several regulations concerning policy, by the several postures of the son of Osiris, caused him to be commonly called Menes, that is, 'the rule of the people'. The Egyptians from this new title took it into their heads, that Menes had been their legislator, the author of their polity, the orderer of their year, the founders of their laws. For this reason, they put this imaginary founder at the head of all the lists of the kings of their several provinces. The name of Moses or Meseus was properly given to the public sign of the revival of husbandry. This word signified the 'drying up', made part of the calendar: it was the summary and the substance of a statute polity. It was every year in the mouth of the people, after the re-entering of the river within its banks. It was not then a mans name. But if Menes and Museus are but one and the same thig; if they are only the names of the same sign; what then becomes of the first king of Egypt, the foundation of their history? He, from that moment, loses all his reality. P39 Moloch, Baal, Adonis, and Achad. The god, or rather the figure of the sun, which the Egyptians called Osiris, or the governor of the earth, assumed other names in other places. The eastern nations who had adopted him, and who looked on their temporal advayages as the effect of this devotion, called him Moloch or Melchom, that is the king; some Baal or Adonai, or Adonis, or Hero, all which names signify 'the lord'. Others called him Achad, which the old inhabitents of Latium have rendered by that of 'Sol, unicus'; and others finally named him Baalshamain or Beelsamen - 'the lord of the heavens'. But it was always the sun which these figures of a king and these names signified. P44 The Roman Catholic processions of the 'Host' are of the same nature as above, and no doubt the custom, like most of the practices of the church of Rome, has been derived from the ancient pagan ceremonies. The catholic processions, it seems, are conducted with more mystic, solem pomp than those of the ancients, but the ruffian assaults of the guards or assistants in this affair, of persons walking in the streets, who are not even in the pale of their order, for neglecting to fall upon their knees, on the passage of the host, is more outrageous than the extravagancies of their prototype. The masonic processions are identically the same as the Bacchanals, but got up with more taste and refinement, owing to the influence of civilization. In these are carried, besides other articles, which will hereafter ne enumerated, a box or chest, called the lodge, about which much secrecy is pretended, and which is kept covered from the eyes of the profane or uninitiated,. The utmost decorum is observed, and no person is annoyed for not paying homage to the sacred contents of the mysterious chest. P49 The mark of the rising of the water was a pole crossed; a very plain symbol indeed; and the serpent twisted round it had, in the hand of this figure, no other meaning than elsewhere. It always signified the life, the subsistance. When double, it denoted subsitance in very great plenty, and such was sufficient both for the Egyptians and foreigners. This pole was terminated with two little wings; the symbol of the wind that regulated the increase of the waters. P73 We have seen how the cross, as well enti_e as abridged, was the mark of the increase of the Nile, because it was the measure of it. When confined in the hand of Osiris, in the claws of the hawk, or the hand of Horus, it very plainly signified the overflowing of the Nile regulated by the sun, strengthened by the wind, and subject to fixed rules. This cross which in their vulgar writing, as likewise in the ancient Hebraic characters, in the Greek and the Latin alphabet, was the letter Tau. That the cross or T suspended by a ring, was taken by the Egyptians as deliverance from evil, we may assure ourselves by consulting their practices, which are the surest interpretation of the opinion that governed them. P84 Footnote: In the masonic lodges, the master is stationed in the east, representing Osiris the sun; and the senior warden in the west, representing Isis or Virgo, the sign of the harvest; his duty is to pay the craft their wages, which alludes metaphorically to the reward the husbandman receives in produce of his labour, when the sun arrives at this sign. This is indicated by a painting representing a sheaf of wheat, which is hung back of this officers chair. The password of the fellow-craft, at this station, to entitle him to pay, is 'shibboleth', the reddening ear of wheat. Chapter II P108 The Ancient Mysteries To avoid ambiguity, it will be proper to explain the term. Each of the pagan gods had, besides the 'public' and 'open' a 'secret worship' paid unto him; to which none were admitted but thos who ahd been selected by preparatory ceremonies, called 'initiation' This secret worship was termed the 'Mysteries' But though every god had, besides his open worship, the secret likewise; yet this latter did not everywhere attend the former; but only there, where he was the patron god, or in principal esteem. Thus when in consequence of that intercommunity of paganism, which will be explained hereafter, one nation adopted the gods of another, they did not always take in at the same time, the secret worship or mysteries of that god; so, in Rome, the public and open worship of Bacchus was in use long before his mysteries were admitted. But on the other hand, again, the worship of the strange god was sometimes introduced only for the sake of his mysteries: as, in the same city, that of Isis and Osiris. Thus stood the case in general, the particular exceptions to it, will be seen in the sequel of this dissertation. The first and original mysteries, of which we have any sure account, were those of Isis and Osiris in Egypt; from whence they were derived to the Greeks, under the presidency of various gods, as the institutor thought most for his purpose; Zoraster bought them into Persia, Cadmus and Inachus into Greece at large, Orpheus into Thrace, Melampus into Argis, Trophonius into Boeotia, Minos into Crete, Cinyras into Cyprus, and Erechtheus into Athens. And as in Egypt they were to Isis and Osiris; so in Asia they were to Mithras, in Samothrace to the mother of the gods, in Boeotia to Bacchus, in Cyprus to Venus, in Crete to Jupiter, in Athens to Ceres and Proserpine, in Amphissa to Castor and Pollux, in Lemnos to Vulcan, and so to others, in other places, the number of which was incredible. But their end, as well as nature, was the same in all, to teach the doctrine of a 'future estate'. In this Origen and Celsus agree, the two most learned writers of their several parties. The first, minding his adversary of the difference between the future life promised by Christianity, and that taught in paganism, bids him to compare the Christian with what all the sects of philosophy, and all the mysteries, among Greeks and Barbarians, taught concerning it: and Celsus, in his turn, endeavouring to show that Christianity had no advantage over Paganism in the efficacy of stronger sanctions, expresses himself to this purpose; "But now, after all, just as you believe eternal punishments, so do the ministers of the sacred rites, and those who initiate into, and preside in the mysteries" And that nothing very hetredox was taught in the mysteries concerning a future state, I collect from the answer |Origen makes to Celsus, who had preferred what was taught in the mysteries of Bacchus on that point, to what the Christian religion revealed concerning it. P242 Opinions on Freemasonry The chief varieties of this sacred name among the inhabitants of different nations, were Jah, and Bel or Baal, and On or Om. The first of these, as we have just seen, had many fluctuations. Jupiter, Jove, Evohe, etc. were but corruptions of Jah or Jehova. Iao, was pronounced by the oracle of Apollo, to be the first and greatest of these deities. (Macrob. Saturn. 1. 18.) The compunds of the second name Bel, are of great variety. Belus, was used by the Chaldeans; and the deity known amongst the ancient Celtae, by the name Bel or Bel-enus, which title, by modern authors, is identified with Apollo. The third variation was On. Under this appellation the deity was worshipped by the Egyptians; and they professed to believe that he was eternal, and the fountain of light and life; but according to their gross conceptions, being necessarily visible, the sun was adored as his representative, and was, most probably the same as Osiris. They knew the general purport of the name and little more. If they believed 'ON' to be the living and eternal God, they allowed the same attributes to the sun, which they undoubtedly worshipped as the Lord of the creation. Oannes was the god of the Chaldeans; and Dag-On of the Philistines, both of which are derivations of the same name. On, was evidently the same deity as the Hebrew Jehovah; and was introduced amongst the Greeks by Plato, who acknowledges his eternity and incomprehensibility in these remarkable words "Tell me of the god ON; which is, and never knew beginning" (In Timoeo. v. iii. p.27) And the smae name was used by the early Christians for the true God; for St. John in the Apocalypse, (Chap. 1. v. 4.) has this expression - 'On, kai o en, kai o erchomenos' which is translated in our authorized version of the Scriptures, by, 'HIM, which is, and which was, and which is to come' The same word with a small variation, was one of the names of the supreme deity in India; and devout meditation on it was considered capable of conveying the highest degree of perfection. P275 Chapter VII Analysis of Freemasonry I shall now proceed to analyse Freemasonry. And as I conceive it to be no other than the forms and ceremonies of the ancient Pagan religion; that is, Sabeism or the worship of the stars, the following remarks of Volney, on the natural causes which led to this species of worship, will not be amiss: "The unanimous testimony of all the ancient monuments, presents us a methodical and complicated system, that of the worship of stars, adored sometimes in their proper forms, sometimes under figurative emblems and symbols; and this worship was the effect of the knowledge men had acquired in physics, and was derived immediately from the first causes of the social state, that is, from the necessities and arts of the first degree which are among the elements of society" P284 The Rv R Taylor, in his lecture on masonry, very ingeniously solves the enigma of the three principal rounds of the aforesaid theological, or rather astronomical ladder, thus: "Faith is the Genius of Spring; Hope of Summer; and Charity of Autumn - Faith, in Spring, because faith and works must always come together. - Hope, of Summer, because from that point, the sun looks vertically down upon the seeds which have been committed 'in faith' to the fertilizing womb of the earth. - Charity, of autumn, because then the sun empties his cornucopia into our desiring laps. - Faith is the eastern pillar; charity the western; and hope the keystone of this 'Royal Arch' - This theological ladder has seven rounds, and is enigmatically in the degree called Knight of Kardosh, which I shall hereafter notice. It marks the course of the sun through the seven signs of the zodiac, commencing at the vernal equinox, and ending at the autumnal, both inclusive. The semicircle made by the sun in passing these signs, forms the celebrated 'Royal Arch'; and a mason to attain the degree so called, must pass through seven grades of the order. The three steps above noticed, allude to the equinoxes, and the northern solstice" P313 .....Lord, is a pagan name of the Deity, and answers, says the same author, to the Warts or Mars of the Sabines and Latins. P336 Royal Arch Degree There is much confusion, after all, in regard to the 'omnific word' Whether this was created by the original founders of the order, for the purpose of deception, or has been introduced by modern masons, is unknown. After declaring the 'Logos' to be the recovered long lost word, another compound name, intended to bear the same import, is substituted in its place. This the English masons call Jao-Bul-On, and the American masons, Jah-Buh-Lun. They both say the word is compounded of the names of Deity in three languages, Hebrew, Chaldean and Syriac; leaving Egypt, the mother of the mysteries, from which masonry is derived, out of the question, although 'On', which composes part of the compound word, used by the English masons, was one of the names of the Deity, peculiar to that country. Neither 'Buh' nor 'Lun', it is believed, was the name of a Deity in any language; and although the sun was worshipped under the symbolical figure of the bull, either on account of his great use in agriculture, or because the celestial sign of the bull was formerly in the vernal equinox at the opening of the year; yet it is evident that the bull was looked upon merely as a symbol, and not as actually constituting the name of the Supreme Being. Whereas Jah-Bel-On, were permanent names, universally, and at times bestowed upon the Deity, by one or other of the nations above mentioned. "The chief varieties of this sacred name (of God) amongst the inhabitants of different nations (says Oliver) were 'Jah-Bel' or 'Baal' and 'On' or 'Om'" "Bel or Baal, (says Mayo) was the same god with Moloch. Their names, both of which signify the 'king', the 'lord' are titles applicable to the sun" P337 The very attribute given to the lost word, 'omnific', (all-creating) indicates the Demiurgus, the creator of the world, which as before observed, was believed by the ancients to be the sun. It was of no importance to investigate the composition of the 'omnific word' of masonry, any further than to show, that in all the movements of the order, the sun is kept constantly in view; and that the lost master masons word meant nothing but the lost influence of that luminary, when in his greatest northern, or southern declination. P338 I shall conclude the no??e of this chapter, with a few remarks on the Jewel and Badge of the order. The following is an abridgrement of a description given by Carlile: The jewel is composed of two intersecting triangles, surrounding another triangle, with the sun in the center, an emblem of the Deity. Under these is the compound character, 'The Triple Tau' (Triple T) which is the Royal Arch mason's badge; by which the wearer acknowledges himself the servant of the 'true' god. (the sun! - my comment) The T, it has been seen, is the figure of the old Nileometer, used to ascertain the height of inundation, on which depended the subsistence, the 'life' of the inhabitants. The Nileometer, in consequence, became the symbol of 'life', 'health' and 'prosperity'; and was supposed to possess the power of averting evil. It was, therefore, in an abbreviated form, suspended to the neck of the sick as an amulet or charm. Thus has originated the badge of Royal Arch masonry: its triple form, as usual, relates to the Egyptian trinity.
  22. The Trinity Sun worship, Nature worship and Baal worship. (Nature worship incorporates fertility and star worship and of course, Pharmakeia)
  23. Hiya, from what I can remember - no, I was not researching anything 'hot' Please understand though - since my breakdown for the last 5-6 years my memory is atrocious and vast amounts of memories I had like my college work I have lost. I'm not the same person today I was before my breakdown. I've always been in to conspiracy so of course I was looking at stuff back then but there was nothing in particular. I had an abusive childhood, I was emotionally, physically and psychologically abused by my mother. I had several near death experiences in my childhood and I tried to commit suicide when I was 11. Those chickens were always going to come to roost. I tried to help my alcoholic mother during my teens despite the abuse she dished out, but in the end I had to walk away and cut ties. I was told to do so by the head of AA who told me I couldn't help and had to leave. I've had no contact with my mother for 22 years. As I was always into conspiracy and spiritual maters I guess it was obvious my breakdown would be framed in the way it was. I thought the Freemasons were hiding spiritual knowledge from us for instance. A few years after my breakdown when I was well enough I started reading again, since then I feel I have been on a spiritual journey and been guided to learn new information which I now have. I know now the Masons are full of shit - they know nothing of true spiritual matters, their system is a sham and fraud, it is based on the same Pagan mystery schools as Christianity and just like Christianity is invented to control. And unfortunately they do hold to much power in our society. So anyway, I don't remember that I was doing anything to naughty back then, and I think my breakdown was a natural consequence of my childhood. I still have anxiety, low esteem, body dysmorphia, slightly OCD, very shy and withdrawn, these things were literally beaten into me as a kid, there is no way to get them out of me unless I can truly heal myself and become whole again, otherwise, there's a possibility I may end up with Schizophrenia. Apparently, a life of anxiety and of living in the 'flight or fight' mode, as I have done since childhood, will mess with the brain chemistry and eventually cause Schizophrenia. But unfortunately, the therapists have told me - they cannot undo the damage that was done to me as a child, they can only help me manage it. It seems certain it was my childhood experiences, there's nothing I can do about it, it was inflicted upon me by my caregiver and I just have to suffer with the consequences. Think I need some Ayahuasca - reset my brain!
  24. The Masters Carpet or Masonry and Baal-Worship Identical Reviewing the similarity between Masonry, Romanism and 'The Mysteries' and comparing the whole with the Bible. By Edmond Ronayne, Pastmaster of Keystone Lodge, No 639, Chicago 1887 Preface In all the most popular Manuals of Freemasonry and in its standard works of the highest authority and merit, there are four well authenticated claims set up on behalf of that institution, as follows: 1st. That it is a religious philosophy, or a system or religious science. 2nd. That it was REVIVED in its "present outward form" in 1717 3rd. That all its ceremonies, symbol, and the celebrated legend of Hiram in the Master Mason's degree, were directly borrowed from the "Ancient Mysteries," or the secret worship of Baal, Osiris or Tammuz, and 4th. That a strict obedience to its precepts and obligations is all that is necessary to free man from sin, and to secure for him a happy immortality. The design of this work, then, is to discuss these claims in a clear simple and intelligible manner, and demonstrate beyond the possibility of dispute or doubt, on the part of any Freemason, that the Masonic system, as it exists today, is precisely the same religious philosophy, and the same form of secret worship, that used to be taught and practiced in honour of "the God of nature" in the old temples of paganism. All the proofs adduced to establish these facts are designedly drawn from the testimony of Masonry itself, and are so arranged as to be recognised at a glance, and must be found of great value for immediate reference in all possible discussions on this important subject. The work is also profusely illustrated - the interior of the Lodge, the position of its various officers, the ceremonies by which the candidate is made to pass, and the emblems and symbols of its different degrees, being accurately represented by wood engravings, specially prepared for this exposition, and passed upon by some of the former members of the order, while the legend of Osiris in the Egyptian Mysteries, and the celebrated legend of Hiram in the Masonic Mysteries, are compared with such minuteness of detail that none can fail to note their absolute identity. This constitutes the real secrets of a Master Mason, and was never before alluded to by any seceder nor in any exposition of its pretended mysteries. The unmistakeable coincidence between Masonry and Romanism is also set forth, and it demonstrates that both systems have sprung from the same pagan source - the one being the old pagan BEAST of Revelation and the other the Image of the Beast. Although I have been a member of the fraternity for a number of years, though I have been exalted to the highest office among my brethren in the lodge, and have received the unanimous plaudits of the Grand Lodge of Illinois, in 1872, yet accepting Gods Word as the rule of my faith and practice, I insist upon it that I have just as much right to secede from the institution of Freemasonry, and to cast of all allegiance to its extra judicial and iron clad oaths, its inhuman death penalties, and its anti-Christian and idolatrous worship as I had to secede from the idolatrous worship of Rome just thirty years ago. Acting upon this principle then, I claim that as a father, although a Freemason, is in duty bound to warn his son against affiliation with the Masonic institution, and in doing so, to give him a full exposition of its principles and philosophy. And hence the conversation between Mr Barton and Henry. That in this manner I may be the humble means of liberating some of my former brothers from the despotism of the lodge, as well as saving others from its wicked entanglements, that through the instrumentality of this book the pure, spiritual, heartfelt worship of God through Christ may be better appreciated, and the redeemers name be glorified and exalted, is the sincere earnest prayer of the author. Link - http://www.coloradofreemasons.org/pdfDocuments/library/TheMastersCarpet.pdf So, Romanism or rather Catholicism has sprung from the same source as Freemasonry which are both Pagan in origin. Freemasonry is identified by this past Grandmaster as being BAAL worship as explained by the Rev Taylor earlier in this thread. I'll recap - One of the secret names for God used by the Freemasons is "Jahbullon' as well as "Mah-Hah-Bone" the first refers to 3 deites - the trinity of 'Jah' Bull" and 'On' Baal is represented as a Bull - hence Bull is BAAL, and the other, Mah-Hah-Bone, may possibly be a corruption of the trinity of the Egyptians Ma-Ab-Ben, for mother, father son, this refers to Osiris, Isis and Horus. In the Egyptian Mysteries they had their Sun God and of course BAAL is represented with a Solar Disc between his horns and is a Sun God as well as a Storm god. In the opening degree's of Masonry the Apprentice has to explain that all good lodges and churches should be built orientated East to West because thats the transit of the Sun. Hence Masons Lodges and Christians Churches are built to honour the Sun. The Mason's also revere the "Golden Arch" this is the transit of the Sun as it rise, approaches midday and then sets, it transcribes and Arch = the Golden Arch. When do the Chrtistians worship? On Sunday - the day of the Sun. Where do they worship? In a church orientated East to West to follow the rising and setting of the Sun Their saviours name, Jesus, reduces to, or rather means, 'God of Fire' the Pagan God of fire is the Sun. In the Nag Hamandi texts Jesus says "I am the light above all living things, lift a rock and you will find me, split some wood and I will appear' What is the light above all living things? Its the Sun. What do you see that wasn't in the space before when you lift the rock? Light, light fills the space where the rock was until you lifted it. Jesus is telling you he is the Sun. Christians celebrate their saviours birthday on the Winter solstice not Jesus' actual birthday which nobody knows, like his name, they don't actually know that either. So, even though Jesus, the son of God, foretold of his arrival by an Angel to Mary, the birth predicted and witnessed by three kings and announced to shepherds in the field - nobody knows the actual date. How, when so much warning was given and so much is known about the circumstance of his birth, can it be that they don't know his birthday! Or his actual name. This is the son of God, foretold by prophecy, announced by angels, the birth predicted and witnessed by Kings and yet no one knows his name or the date this well foretold event happened. Then we have the Mason's, a supposed extension of Christianity. They call themselves the "Sons Of Light" just like the Egyptian initiates in the Egyptian Sun Cults did, they align their Lodges East to West to honour the Sun, just like the Pagans did, they worship the Golden Arch of the Sun and they hold that 'Natural Law' not Gods Law, is the highest law, just like the Pagans did, and they exclude any mention of Jesus in their religious ceremonies and prayers preferring to instead refer to Hiram Abiff and 'The Great Architect Of The Universe' but who is that Architect? And who is Hiram. This book is freely available on the Masons website. It is written in an unorthordox style, it written as a discussion between father and son, albeit from a Past Grand Master who has left Freemasonry in disgust and his son has come to him to ask for advice on whether he should join. So its a weird read but it contains good information which will enlighten you to the roots of the Roman Catholicism version of Christianity and how it and Masonry are Pagan and anti creator God in their philosophies. Quote - The Masters Carpet P195 Thus it will be observed that the Romish Church through one of the most honored of her deified saints, mutilates the Scriptures so as to reject Christ and substitute Mary, who occupies the same position in the pagan worship of Rome, that Venus Minerva, Isis, or Astarte, did in the pagan worship of the ancients, while Freemasonry mutilates the Scriptures in order to reject Christ from its prayers, and substitute Hiram Abiff, who is the Osiris, or Baal, or Jupiter, in the professedly pagan worship of the lodge. End of quote I hope you can see from the evidence presented in the thread see that Roman Christianity, and hence Church of England and other Christian denominations that follow the same doctrines as Rome, are an extension of Pagan Mystery Religions which worshipped Nature, the Sun and Fertility, as well as Psychedelic substances, and that Freemasonry is just a further extension of those same Mystery Religions, they also worship the Sun and hence are actually MORE deceived than the Christians, The Masons believe they hold secret divine truth but in fact they worship Nature, Baal and the Sun, while Christians have become Polytheists and also base their beliefs on Solar, Nature and even Fertility cult traditions. End Quote Quote - The Masters Carpet P227 In the "Lexicon Of Freemasonry," by Mackey, p.125 we read - "Egyptian Mysteries. - Egypt was the cradle of the mysteries of paganism. At one time in possession of all the learning and religion that was to be found in the world, it extended into other nations the influence of its sacred rites, and its secret doctrines" And in describing the "Mysteries" Dr. Mackey again says, on p.315 - "This is the name given to those religious assemblies of the ancients, whose ceremonies were conducted in secret. whose doctrines were known only to thos who had obtained the right of knowledge by a previous initiation, and whose members were in possession of signs and tokens, by which they were enabled to recognize each other" Is not this an exact description of Freemasonry? Or could any language be employed to portray the Masonic system more accurately? But again:- "Warburton's definition of the 'Mysteries' was as follows. Each of the pagan gods had (besides the public and open) a secret worship paid unto him, to which none were admitted but those who had been selected by preparatory ceremonies, called INITIATION. This secret worship was termed the mysteries" (Divine Legation, vol.i, p.189) "The most important of the mysteries were those of Mithras, celebrated in Persia; of Osiris and Isis, celebrated in Egypt; of Eleusis, instituted in Greece, and the Scandinavian and Druidical rites which were confined to the Gothic and Celtic tribes" P228 And in further explaining the common origin of these mysteries and their identity in everything except in the name of the hero-god alone, the Masonic text-book relates:- "Traditions of Freemasonry," p.233:- "And the mysteries throughout the world were the same in substance, being derived from the same deities, though acknowledged under different appellations" P235 Also in the "Traditions of Freemasonry" by Pierson, p.240 - "The Masonic legend stands by itself, unsupported by history or other than its own traditions; yet we readily recognize in Hiram Abiff the Osiris of the Egyptians, the Mithras of the Persians, the Bacchus of the Greeks, the Dionysius of the fraternity of the Artificers, and the Atys of the Phrygians, whose passion, death and ressurection were celebrated by these people respectively" End quote Passion, death and resurrection? Where have we heard that one before. Do you see - even the most knowledgeable Freemasons of 100 years ago taught that their Craft is derived from Ancient Pagan Mysteries and are all based on dying and resurrecting gods and that they are taken from the same religious philosophies of the pagans and as Freemasonry is but an extension of Christianity which they also identify with a dying and resurrecting god, like Mithras and Osiris. The similarities between these deities and Jesus Christ have been shown by many in Zeitgeist for instance. Hence it can be seen ALL religious worship stemmed from the same sources. Roman Christianity is no different. For evidence of Fertility cult influence just read Genesis, specifically the 'Genealogies' I know they present them as a genealogical record but the truth is its just bragging about how many sons and daughters they had and how old they were when they had their last children. In the Pagan world you were blessed by God if you had numerous children, slaves and cattle. It was important for Patriarchs to be seen as strong and virile with lots of offspring because they were blessed by God and to continue having children until past the natural age meant you were wholly blessed by God throughout your life. The genealogies in Genesis 4, 5 11 are really just Fertility bragging and not Genealogies to satisfy and convert ancient pagan peoples.. This thread has presented evidence to show that Sun worship is existent within the Bible. It can be seen also that some Paganism was based on Nature and Baal worship and that has also seeped into Christianity with the Easter and Harvest festivals. Easter being explained away as Jesus' resurrection yet in the Pagan world Easter was the resurrection of the Earth, when spring bought everything back to life and the animals multiplied meaning hunting could resume. In the ancient pagan mind the spring rains were thought to be God's sperm which fertilized the Earth and hence God became a 'He' and Earth became the 'Mother' this again has roots in Fertility cults. As John Allegro points out after the rains they found mushrooms had popped up miraculously. Miraculously, because they grew in such a short space of time and had no seed or root. The ancients understood for a living thing to grow it came from a seed so why no seed with mushrooms. Then when you eat them - wow! Big time spiritual experience. Hence these plants were gifts from the Gods allowing access to higher realms that miraculously appeared after God fertilized the Earth and gave them magical effects. On another thread I have shown the possible link to Mithraism that Freemasonry has, I may try to replicate that knowledge here, but there are links between the early Scots and the Romans who carried with them the Mithra cult. They taught the religion to the Scotts who in turn incorporated it into Freemasonry. It has been shown by other authors the similarity between Mithra and Jesus as both Sun Gods, and Constantine incorporated Mithraism into Christianity to convert his Roman soldiers to his religion. So once again we see Roman Christianity and Freemasonry stem from the same ancient pagan sources as asserted by the author of this book - The Masters Carpet. And I contend and agree with the assertion as put forward by Reverend Robert Taylor in the Book the Devils Pulpit that the designations, 'Christian' 'Jew' 'Hebrew' and 'Mason' are just initiatory designations of the same Mystery Religion, they all worship the exact same thing in different guises with different levels of understanding but all of them are deceived, with the Masons being at the very highest of the deception. Not all Paganism was bad, the Pythagoreans taught of the 'One God' and the existence of the Soul and its immortality which they got from the Egyptians. The Druids who were perhaps not the Blood spilling types we have been led to believe converted willingly to Christianity, giving up their sacred groves for Rome to build churches on them as they recognized the teachings as being consistent with their own Pagan teachings. This is because Constantine took teachings from the Druids in the West and the Hindu's in the East, mashed them together, hung them around an historical character who was crucified and mixed in teachings from other teachers who themselves had taken their teachings from Pagan sources. Then Constantine had all the libraries burnt and temples destroyed to cover his deception. We have archaeology know, we have the Rosetta stone, we have access to the original texts, we can dig up the ruins and see what was inscribed on them. We have the study of ancient languages and the science of etymology, we have the historical record and of course, we are 2000 years wiser now. If you can see through the pagan superstitious nonsense, you can get to the truth.
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