Oakwise

Hey all you seasoned, grizzled truthers. Five years on. Keep an eye on the news from China. Could be entering Round Two. Hope not. Peace.

Of course Mr Icke can be wrong. It's unreasonable to expect one man to be right about everything while possessing all the answers to the most pressing questions. However, I don't think he's wrong about Trump. I'm >95% certain he's right. To be honest, the statement within your question seems pretty contradictory. To take on the 'slings and arrows for humanity to thrive' is a pretty heroic deed, wouldn't you agree? It suggests Mr Trump is sacrificing something for the good of humanity. Yet you also claim (perhaps hypothetically) you don't see him as a 'hero savior figure'. Maybe I'm missing something.

Here we are, twelve years later, same old story

Thank you for the concise answer. Usually when someone says not to take a phrase literally, it means the phrase is figurative, which is to say it conveys some kind of meaning via comparison etc. So in this instance what is the metaphor, simile or symbolism?

Thank you. So which of those three (or four) dimensions is the third? 'Three dimensions' is plural, whereas 'third' is singular e.g. in a marathon there's only one third place. The concept 'third dimension' implies a sequential order of dimensions: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 etc. So: Is there a relationship between the sequential order and the number of spatial dimensions in a given dimension e.g. the first dimension = 1D etc.? If so, then how does that work? Was the third dimension created with the introduction of depth (which you might logically say is the third spatial dimension)? Before this dimension came into being was there only height and width? And so on? And where does time fit into it? As you said, some people regard time as the 4th dimension. If not, then how does anyone know this is the 'third' dimension? For all we know it could be the 86th dimension. Has someone managed to count them and determine the correct order? How many dimensions are there? What was their methodology? Questions abound. There's probably something obvious I've missed. Hoping you guys might be able to shed some light. Thanks in advance.

Apparently there's an election happening somewhere.

I was wondering if you could help me out. I've heard it said that this reality is the '3rd dimension'. What does that mean? Why is it the 3rd dimension? Many thanks in advance.

Spiritual rebellion on the cards. . .

For anyone that's interested, the idea of Moses being connected to Akhenaten goes back a long way. Sigmund Freud wrote a book called Moses and Monotheism (1939). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_and_Monotheism

Charlie Veitch. Now that's a name I haven't heard in a while. Arch turncoat he was. Went over to the states for a TV show, messed about with some lego bricks, and came home to declare that 9/11 wasn't an inside job after all. I thought he was pretty dumb to do that, a man of low integrity. But I don't think he quite deserved the extremely savage attacks he received from some of the truth community. I think someone hacked his website as well. He used to have a group of disciples that followed him around as he did his street antics (he copied another bloke who used to protest in clever, creative ways). He also used to harangue the public via a megaphone. I remember one of Charlie's disciples was a podgy Gnome-like man who used to skip alongside him, occasionally looking up at him with adoring eyes. Sometimes it looked like Charlie was trying to shake him off, like he was embarrassed. After the turncoat incident I never bothered keeping up with the story. I remember thinking that the word 'veitch' could be etymologically related to the word 'vetch', which is a type of pea commonly fed to sheep. To me that kind of acted as a full stop on the sorry affair. As for Silkie, she was much loved in the truth community. A Vera Lynn type character. But I never bothered to see what happened to her. Occasionally one hears her name mentioned in connection with Big Brother Watch, which seems like a toothless organisation. Got me reminiscing about how this forum used to be. It used to be incredibly lively and productive. Now it's not even a shadow of its former self. Sign of the times I guess. Kudos to you people keeping it alive.

On matters such as these we must defer to the wisdom of the poets. With Housman we say, Malt does more than Milton can To justify God's ways to man

That reminds me of the ideas Socrates explored on the day of his execution (Plato, Phaedo). Some of his friends were gathered around him, upset that their revered instructor was going to die. So he was trying to put their mind at rest by assuring them that the true lover of wisdom (philosopher) is one that has spent his life preparing for death as upon leaving the body he would be free to pursue wisdom (knowledge) in its purest form. See the following passage (Socrates in Plato's Phaedo): So it appears that these ideas are very old. It's not surprising that much Gnostic thought is connected to neo-Platonism. Indeed, a fragment of Plato's Republic was found among the Nag Hammadi texts. To punctuate this post, perhaps something pithy is required. Hear the words of Leo Tolstoy: Life is a dream, death is an awakening.

But does everyone who promotes that theory have the same view as you? I've heard some people say it's all a trap and this world has been specially created to trap us (certain gnostic ideas). If someone genuinely believes that, then why are they still here? If they truly knew it, then they can leave any time and go play in eternity. I posit that really they don't truly have confidence in their own beliefs, and really have other motives for promoting these ideas etc. And let's follow this fear of trickery. So how do you identify genuine conscious beings (spirits etc.) from the fake? Is there some sort of ID system? Are we completely stupid when we leave our bodies and have no ability to recognise? We have no knowledge and wisdom? That ignorance continues into the next world? And how do we know that people are tricked into coming back by imposters since they're now dead and can't relay their story? Many of them may have decided not to go back, and their loved ones were cool with that, and they're now hanging out in the fields of eternity having a jolly good old time. I suppose we could refer to NDEers (which are basically the proof that consciousness exists beyond the physical body), some of which say they had to come back because it wasn't their time, that these 'loving beings' guided them etc., and they had a life review etc. You could say they were tricked. But how do we know? Maybe they had chosen to come here? Maybe you can learn while incarnating here, without memory of previous existence. It doesn't automatically prove that it is a trap. ETA: Also, if many chose to come here 'during this time' as you put it, does that mean they came here to help fix this world? If so, does that mean at some point this world wasn't a trap? And how do we know that coming here to help isn't actually part of the trap? You're persuaded to come here and help when in reality it's an insoluble problem and you end up like poor old Sisyphus? Just food for thought.

The people pushing the idea of it being a trap seem contradictory to me. If it's a trap, and it's not worth being here, then why are you still here? If you genuinely believe that, then leave, resist the persuasion of the so-called tricksters and go on existing as an eternal conscious being frolicking in the fields of eternity. I know the reason: They don't truly believe it, they still have doubts; it's just that they can speak about it very forcefully. However, we don't get access to their inner lives, all those conflicting thoughts and emotions that they hide from the world. Or perhaps they're saying that there is a reason to be here? If there's a reason to be here then naturally it can't be wholly a trap. It's possible that conscious beings do choose to be here for some undefined reason. Personally, I won't be coming back to this crazy world. It's insanity. However, I feel it's not my time to leave yet. I have unfinished business.

God Appears & God is Light To those poor Souls who dwell in Night But does a Human Form Display To those who Dwell in Realms of day - William Blake, Auguries of Innocence

@EnigmaticWorld Same here, mate. I would prefer pleasant dialogue, and by 'pleasant' I don't mean the interlocuter agreeing with me. Just frank discussion done in that polite spirit. If I'm honest, I would love to have dialogue in the spirit of Plato's Socrates. Not necessarily in terms of content, but in the sense of discussing ideas cordially, even when we are in disagreement. I like the idea of being able to disagree, but still remaining friendly. This transcendence of ego really appeals to me. That we are more than the ideas in our heads. But having said that, I still stand by my previous sentiments: The bad elite are trying to position their opposition (the truth / freedom movement / community) as crazy right-wing extremists. I won't budge from that because it is of the utmost importance. Don't worry about the name calling in the other thread. Water off a ducks back. Tit for tat. Enjoy the rest of your evening and we'll pick this up another day, on better terms.