[Assisted dying]

Gareth Icke said in his podcast that the assisted dying bill – passed in the Commons – is intended to eventually make it easy to euthanise anyone selected by those running the system. I agree with him, and the evidence is there to support that view. Why do MPs and the mainstream media not reveal the truth when the topic is discussed?

 

Besides the Liverpool Care Pathway policy which was supposedly abandoned after patients' relatives protested about it, there were the thousands of elderly people put on midazolam and morphine during the Covid lockdown - as revealed by David Icke – and their deaths classed as Covid deaths.

 

Two cases I know about involve hospital patients. A retired nurse visiting her husband in hospital asked why he had not been given anything by the nurse bringing round food and drink. The nurse said he was on a no drink, no food regime. His wife demanded he be given food and drink. When she discovered he had a morphine injector attached to him, she had it removed. He recovered and returned home.

 

Another case was a friend whose wife was in hospital after a stroke. She was not on life support nor was she in a coma – she drifted in and out consciousness when he visited her. A doctor told him they'd had a meeting and had decided to end her life next morning – which they did.

 

Neither of these cases show any restriction on ending lives, yet the new legislation is supposed to be about overcoming the ban on assisted dying. If assisted dying is currently illegal, a new law allowing it is likely to make it happen even more frequently than it already is.

[Reincarnation is a Trap]

I came to realise that the usual religions were man-made stories that could not withstand scrutiny or explain inconsistencies. But I managed to retain some belief in meaning, purpose and value in life based on certain situations that have been verified as true – reincarnation and psychic experiences. These convinced me that there was life after death, individual beings continued in some spirit form, specific relationships and feelings still existed after death, and beings could even return to physical life again. This was particularly important to me in regard to my dogs who have passed away. The possibility of them reincarnating offered me hope and belief in a value in life.

But David Icke has rubbished all that. Reincarnation is a trap and any form of heavan is an illusion. We are all here to be manipulated by evil beings who are controlled by other evil beings and our future world is a globalist tyranny which current horrors are leading us to.

Never mind, it is all a simulation anyway, so it is just make-believe and doesn't exist, and nothing really matters.

I now have no belief and no hope.

[Simulation]

I'm replying to my own comments because I have not seen any replies agreeing or disagreeing with me or explaining how simulation does not mean events in the world are only in our minds.

 

I don't understand how David Icke warns us about the threat to world populations from psychopaths who control events and work for the Cult, when he also says it is all a simulation and not real. Taking just one example, how is the "Covid" mRNA fake vaccine killing people or making them ill if it does not really exist and our bodies are not real?

 

The whole campaign making us aware of the many Cult plans for depopulation, microchip implants and other terrible aims of the NWO agenda contradicts the claim that everything is not real.

 

 

 

[Simulation]

David Icke says our apparent reality is actually a simulation and the "reality" we experience is only inside our heads. If this is so, then all the terrible happenings - wars, genocides, massacres, murders, disasters and other sufferings such as starvation, famine, illness, etc. - are not real and we don't need to be concerned about them.

 

And when David Icke talks about psychopaths who control the world not having empathy and causing mass deaths and other horrors, why do we need to be bothered if it is all just in our heads and not real?

 

This also brings into question the issue of the NWO agenda and the Great Reset, which must be only in our imaginations and nothing to worry about in this simulation. We just need to learn how to imagine a better world and everyone being happy.

 

 

[Isn't Earthly love meaningless if it is all a simulation and we don't really exist?]

I appreciate people giving their views about the meaning and value of love in relation to the idea of everything being a simulation. I admit to not fully understanding some of the explanations, but they do show how people care about finding the truth of our existance and of life itself.

 

“Mr H” says love is not an emotion. This suggests love is not associated with our “physical” being or physiology – ie. brain, heart, hormones, etc. - but is from outside us. Some people do seem to have felt love without it being one of the many forms of love that we usually refer to: romantic, sexual love; parents' love of their children; childrens' love of parents; love of friends, love of pets, love of music, literature, art, nature, sport, etc.; love of a lifestyle; love of God. I don't know how to find the sort of love that covers everyone and everything but is not from my physical being.

 

On the other hand “shabbirss” has an emotion map that shows love as illuminating emotion in the body more than any other feeling does.

 

“78ast78dgyad” makes a valid point: “Let's say a person kills hundred of millions of people - Is this meaningless and pointless? Will it have any significance of any kind or any meaning?” This has been a troubling problem for me for a long time and is a key issue in my trying to make sense of life and love: Obviously, it must have significance and it concerns me in regard to treatment of humans (especially in such cases as the Holocaust and similar horrors) and to treatment of animals (factory farms, abattoirs, vivisection, and many other forms of cruelty). But if humans and other beings are not real, physical entities and it is all a dream ,does this make our empathy and sympathy just the result of mistaken imagination? I can't accept suffering to be unimportant and I can't accept that all beings are not physical.

 

If we are just an experience of a higher awareness, why do we need the complex biological makeup of brain, heart, digestive system, DNA. chromosomes, genes and so on. Why are we conceived from sperm and eggs, instead of just appearing to exist (as in a dream), and when we die, why does our body not disappear instead of decomposing by other biological processes? Is our dead body still an experience of a higher awareness?

 

Also, with regard to animals, which seem to be largely ignored in this explanation of life, are they deemed to be just a part of the simulation or do they have a similar existancs to ourselves? I would say the latter, considering they have the same biological processes and needs (in birth, life and death) as humans do. So, do they too have a higher awareness that is experiencing an imaginary life on Earth? That DNA shows a connection between species, including the great apes sharing 98% of human DNA, must have relevance to the close connection between humans and animals.

 

 

 

[Isn't Earthly love meaningless if it is all a simulation and we don't really exist?]

Isn't Earthly love meaningless if it is all a simulation and we don't really exist? If our feelings of love are from either brain activity (whatever that means when the brain is not real) or some false "spiritual" connection associated with the reincarnation trap, how can it have any real value?

 

Many people, including me, have believed reincarnation was a way to reconnect with fellow beings who have died – for example, loving a family member or a beloved pet and wanting to be with them again – as well as being a verification of the existance of an afterlife, as against religious beliefs which offer no proof and can't even stand up to logical questions. If reincarnation is in fact a trap to prevent us going somewhere better and any apparently reincarnated beings are AI generated holograms or whatever, what is the meaning or value or purpose of any experience in this world?

 

To me, it makes all love, compassion and caring no more valid than apparent experiences in regular dreams during sleep.

 

All I feel from trying to understand David Icke's explanations is that everything is pointless and without value or hope.

 

[Empathy, compassion and UN Agenda 21/2030]

Reading the discussion about the forum problems, I am not sure if this the right place to present this topic. But it is an important subject for me and I can't reconcile it with the mass of other issues on the David Icke.com website.

 

 

I listened to the audio of David talking about masks and an article in The Guardian on why people did or did not wear them. Then David talked about what the next phase of the cult's agenda might be and he referred to an article by Sandy Adams (I think that was the name) which predicted the hyping of COVID-19 being zoonotic as the means to make animals a threat to humans - especially farmed animals - which would give the excuse to evacuate the countryside and move everyone into big cities, in accordance with UN Agenda 21/2030.

 

 

During the explanation it was mentioned that Jane Goodall in the UN had said everyone would have to be vegan, farming in the country would be ended and factory-grown vegetables would be the only food. This whole plan seemed to be part of the road to tyranny and control of populations. What troubles me about this scenario is that it sounded simplistic and ignores other issues.

 

 

Like an increasing number of people, I am vegetarian and trying to become vegan. The reason for this is I am aware of the horrific treatment of animals in animal farming and the meat industry generally, especially factory farming. In most factory farms - and probably all of them - the animals are crushed together, mutilated (eg. cutting of pigs tails, chickens beaks and more), neglected and brutally abused. Official inspections either ignore suffering or the farm is warned of a visit, so evidence of cruelty is cleared away. Unofficial inspections by animal welfare charity workers, such as Viva!, have filmed and reported on shocking conditions, including a piglet being eaten alive by starving pigs or sick, injured and dying animals crushed in with other animals in the general stinking filth. There is just too much suffering to detail here.

 

 

The killing of the animals adds more horrors - pigs crushed into cages and lowered into a pit of carbon dioxide where they scream in pain for minutes before dying or chickens hung by their legs from a conveyor line to pass between electrodes which can miss and not stun them, before a machine cuts their throats (or just cuts them anywhere) and they are dumped into boiling water (sometimes alive). In abattoirs, animals feel fear and are treated brutally. The whole meat industry is mostly owned by corporations and they would be opposed to people becoming vegetarian or vegan.

 

 

The dairy industry is cruel also. Apart from hens in battery cages, even free range farms need a constant supply of chickens which come from factories incubating and hatching thousands of chicks every day. These are continually loaded onto a conveyor where the females are taken off for egg-laying farms or to be fattened for killing. The remaining thousands of male chicks pass along to be dumped into a crushing machine that minces them alive. The milk industry needs cows to be either pregnant or in the post pregnancy state to continue to produce milk. When they give birth, the calf is taken away weeks before it is ready to be weaned and it cries for its mother, as the cow cries for her baby. Male calves are either clubbed to death or shot immediately they are born or transported abroad to countries where veal crates are still legal, to be starved of a proper diet before being killed. The cows have painful injections into their teats (to prevent infections) every day and when they can no longer become pregnant – so cannot produce milk – they are sent to be slaughtered.

 

For me and most others who refuse to eat meat or dairy, being vegetarian or vegan is based on empathy and compassion. David Icke frequently talks about the importance of empathy and love in creating a decent world, and the fact that the cult and its followers have no empathy. I have wondered for a long time if David or Gareth or Jayme are vegetarian or vegan, because they never seem to mention human cruelty to animals – even though as spokesman of the Green Party years ago David said animals deserved a bill of rights.

 

If they are meat eaters and regard animal farming as acceptable, how would they define empathy? To me, it means feeling the pain and suffering of a fellow creature. I can't just feel empathy for humans but switch it off for animals. In fact, animals are more like children in their innocence and vulnerability to human power over them.

 

This brings the other issue that I can't reconcile with the arguments about UN Agenda 21/2030 plan. I think the agenda is evil and aimed at producing tyranny, and the plan to shift everyone to big cities is unacceptable. Yet they have somehow made vegetarianism or veganism sound like an evil attack on freedom. What I want is for humans to be free, enjoying a pain-free, full life. And that is what I want for animals – domestic and wild – at least as far as humans can make that happen by not hunting them, eating them, farming them for killing, abusing them in “entertainments” such as dog fights, cock fights, badger baiting etc., torturing them in laboratories, destroying their habitats or poisoning them - which also applies to humans ingesting toxic substances in food (additives, pesticides, herbicides), drinks, vaccines and in the general environment.

 

I oppose UN Agenda 21/2030 and resent it hijacking a life choice that is about compassion and empathy. I also resent anyone who might suggest a vegetarian or vegan is compromised by inadvertently supporting one of the cult's aims. I also find it impossible to believe in protecting human freedom, overthrowing the cult plans and humans achieving awareness beyond the five senses while we still treat animals as vegetables without any rights to a full, pain-free life.

 

 

[Coronavirus Mega-Thread.]

Even if someone was gullible enough to accept the spurious, hyped figures of COVID-19 deaths, the disastrous lockdown and the ridiculous social distancing rules, they must surely see the nonsense in the new rules of so-called lockdown easing. If keeping 2 metres apart was essential to prevent the virus passing between people, how can 1 metre now be far enough? Either 2 metre social distancing is necessary or it is just another nonsense rule to confuse and condition people.

 

(An analogy would be the government building nuclear shelters with 2 metre thick walls during a time of high risk of nuclear war, and a few months later, when the risk was lower, the government still building shelters but with 1 metre thick walls.)

 

Adding to the confusion, other countries have 1.5m, 1m and no social distancing - all on the advice of their experts. To confirm the nonsense, US health and medical professionals say BLM protests breaking lockdown are no threat to health, but other protests are a threat to health. If the virus is not politically aware, we are being lied to by governments and their experts.