Mr. Nice

Why do you believe that link? It's a classic misinfo type site with no direct citations....and lots of speculation. I repeat. It is going to be difficult to determine anything as correct, so pre-loaded bias won't help arrive at a valid conclusion.

Righto. Well none of that holds any significance. There was lots going on, their on the ground reporters got duff info and passed it on. The idea a conspiracy on the USA would involve telling the BBC is just not feasible. Bit off topic as well tbh.

Yes. But you think they "let slip" information. "early" don't you? Whereas I think they just incorrectly relayed information that it was about to collapse.

Sorry that whole post just needs a one word reply. Whatever. I have read a fair bit of that big covid thread and one on an opposing viewpoint forum. I am not a fan of news media at all but I just don't see the same things as here about the BBC. I am of the opinion that if you preload any opinion you will just look for bits to reinforce it. They make fuck ups all the time....but deliberate? I try to just watch with my head in neutral. A lot of the time it's just neither convinced or not. I'm comfortable not pigeon holing something because I want it to be true.

Mainly agree with that. The salient quote is "how the fuck are we to know" . But loading up your conclusion through ant-BBC bias, no matter what prior examples you have seen or disbelieve is not going to produce a level assessment. I don't really have much more to add. I am horrified at the deaths, the act of aggression and fully aware that this whole thing could or could not be manipulated. I am open to any possibility...but not to the one that categorically concludes fakery. Real death and destruction works so much better.

Righto. Well that kind of stops any evidence from them being assessed without bias. Did you rewatch the video?

I missed anywhere where he offered hard evidence. He talked, said things without backing them up and it is from a Russian source. It was propaganda or fake and as I said very hard to tell. I am not preloaded to dismiss anything. Just very cynical to both sides, not just those that create the customary conspiracy. Why do you automatically believe reports of fakery? Is it YOU having a laugh at murder being carried out in the Ukraine? How sure are you and why?

As opposed to the stock position of conspiracy claims that it must automatically be false. It puts every piece of mainstream evidence in the rolleyes category whilst a barrage of very dodgy alternative sites get automatically believed. It all boils down to whether you approach each claim with bias or not. You don't have to do this....but go back and watch that Pravda video you posted. This time preload your conscious with the possibility that he is deliberately trying to be sincere and note none of his claims are authenticated - just his say so. Give him motive to cover up a legitimate atrocity and it doesn't have the same effect on watching.

Which begs the question as to how you know this and the other one about our side not actually being in the conflict.

Be careful you don't get confused yourself. This is not the Ukraine. British doctors visit Syria: BBC World News - Panorama, Saving Syria's Children

The question is BC, why do you buy this video when its source is Pravda.ru. - as I said propaganda is not war fakery. Have you considered that the best way to cover up an atrocity is to make up difficult to verify lies? The problem is going to be working out which is which. As for the war being faked, which is the implication (based on a laugh emoticon aimed at one of my posts also) - it is not and I stand by the comment, death and destruction work better to create fear and hostility.

With CGI , freely available and very in depth editing software, things like this and the power of the internet.....I would say the truth is going to be getting buggered pretty soon.

I have TV, mobile phone and occasionally read the garbage press. Propaganda fails are not the same as what was implied about war fakery.

As I said, they had maturing bonds and needed to delist them. This is really common practice.

Maturing security bonds. Standard procedure. Pfizer Inc. - Investor Relations - Financials - SEC Filings Understanding SEC Form 25 Securities may be delisted from an exchange for various reasons. Bonds may have matured, been called, or redeemed by a company.

Yeah, you can fit it on the back of a cornflake packet. For maximum misery and negativity this shit is as real as possible. The only fakery I'm seeing is from alternative sites putting up fake news.

Two irrefutable statements... The Sun, no matter what distance it is away from Earth, changes elevation all over the world during the day. It is simultaneously observed by half the Earth. The scenarios that follow are used to demonstrate speed variances. The height of the Sun for this purpose is not relevant..... Point one on the globe is where the Sun is directly above: Just as an example using 3000 miles and the Sun changing from 15 degrees/30 degrees/45 degrees from zenith(directly overhead) - that is 3 one hour movements everywhere on Earth - proven and irrefutable. http://www.cleavebooks.co.uk/scol/calrtri.htm Little a is 3000 Big A is 75 degrees - It has travelled 804 miles from zenith. So average 804 mph. Little a is 3000 Big A is 60 degrees - It has travelled 1730 miles from zenith. 1730-804 = 926. So average 926 mph now! Little a is 3000 Big A is 45 degrees - It has travelled 3000 miles from zenith. 3000-1730 = 1270. So average 1270 mph now! Point two simultaneoulsy on the globe is where the Sun is at 75 degrees to observer at its highest elevation: Little a is 3000 Big A is 60 degrees - It has travelled 1730 miles from zenith. It began 804 miles away from zenith. So average 926 mph. Little a is 3000 Big A is 45 degrees - It has travelled 3000 miles from zenith. 3000-1730 = 1270. So average 1270 mph now! Little a is 3000 Big A is 15 degrees - It has travelled 11,200 miles from zenith. 11200-3000 = 8200. So average 8200 mph average now! In hour 1 at two different points the Sun is travelling 804 mph and 926 mph at the same time!! In hour 2 at two different points the Sun is travelling 926 mph and 1270 mph at the same time!! In hour 3 at two different points the Sun is travelling 1270 mph and 8200 mph at the same time!! Now BASIC mathematics tells us the Sun MUST be covering that distance, so it is not apparent distance. These are actual figures. HELLO Flat Earthers? Any takers? Why not?

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Talk about in your face. Way to escalate the conflict with a Bear poking remit!

Yes. I am. One of the weirdest non-sequitur arguments ever. Totally irrelevant and nothing to do with what you quoted. First off, learn some common English mistakes. It is you're as in you are. Hope that helps. Since your whole argument revolves around some gibberish about life design and chess boards it hardly pertains to the truth. You are not the owner of the truth, you do not get to designate that your opinion IS the truth and as for telling me to Eff off. Go and wash your nasty mouth out and learn some manners.

Phew. Thank heavens for that. There's hope for you all yet then. Whatever. Off topic. What I find hard to get is how one forum, this, can be so convinced and self righteous about it....whilst somewhere else like for example international sceptics offer opposing arguments that do the same thing. So your theory is that the NWO are killing off all the so called sheeple who have been vaccinated and not the ones trying to expose them? I need a slide rule to understand that one.

Whatever. Just like Icke predicted apparently.

No. I mean the non fake broadcasts. I find it incredulous that you think people on the ground are all in some concerted effort to fake a bloody war! This conveyor belt of claims that it's all fake is just absurd, to all intents and purposes impossible and as for that number of people doing it and keeping it secret - it's an insane idea.

No. I mean like the pictures of devastation. Kyiv is a large city and wow you found a camera where nothing is going on. If you want to cherry pick isolated incidents to convince yourself it's all made up....off you go.

Anyone can have their assets frozen under the Anti-Terrorism act: Financial Sanctions, UK freezing orders - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) Not saying it's right, but in this case I genuinely wonder what it is going to achieve - maybe help other teams to catch up with Chelsea seems to be the main one!