Posts posted by Mr. Nice
@DalePInstead of me (and/or others) answering your "newly discovered" observations, why don't you just read some websites where all this junk has been taken apart?
MOON HOAX: DEBUNKED! (moonhoaxdebunked.com)
Moon landing conspiracy theories, debunked | Royal Museums Greenwich (rmg.co.uk)
Clavius Moon Base - debunking the moon hoax
Just now, DaleP said:
If you look again, he's still and not moving the pole but flag is waving.
Dude, I've seen this clip a thousand times. YOU look again! Facepalm? Really? This crap has been debunked 20 years ago. You stumble upon it and like every other hoax believer fail to check a single thing. It stops when he lets go of it - it moves more because a) less gravity b) no atmosphere to slow it. At 47 mins:
2 minutes ago, DaleP said:
Not convinced with these. Look at the flag waving at 3 mins 10 second.
I am going to assume that you have zero physics knowledge. In a vacuum there is still the same inertia. He moves the pole, the flag moves. he stops moving the pole, the flag stops. If it was atmosphere making the flag move, it would carry on when he let go.
6 minutes ago, DaleP said:
I've heard about the Moon ringing like a bell but if the crater depth is anywhere between 2-4km....did they drop a JCB digger for it to penetrate the surface?
To what are you referring? A random crater or the Apollo seismology device recording the spent Apollo craft impacting the Moon?
Meteorites hit the Moon at crazy speeds. Some are tiny and make small craters, some are huge and ........
15 minutes ago, DaleP said:
Someone has always started from the scratch.
But I still think it was a fake, non-landing on the moon.
I'm not concerned about your opinion on the matter. If you care to present your evidence I will show you why it is bollocks.
46 minutes ago, alexa said:
I evade your questions as the foundation of most of them are based on lies & fairy tales, especially your spinning ball. How can ppl believe such crap.
That in itself is a complete lie. My questions are based on observation! You just evaded another one. You already answered a major problem with flat earth, with the crazy Moon being its own magic light source and even THAT doesn't explain any of my questions. STILL, people on either side of the Moon on my diagram would see different faces of a sphere not the same identical face! Your evasion of this is because you simply cannot answer fundamental observations! In addition they would STILL see different phases according to where they observed from.
Now another one of hundreds involves easy to verify mathematics....just above and you fail to answer it with your daft response:
Explaining this for you and ignoring the impossibility of the Sun actually doing this.
1. Midday Sun is at zenith flat earthers say it is 3000 miles away.
2. Setting sun is also 3000 miles above the surface but now at a fraction below 90 degrees to zenith.
It is 0.001 degrees above horizon and that is 2 parts to a trig equation that results in it being 1,720,000,000 million miles away
4 minutes ago, alexa said:
Most Christians I've spoken to do not believe the earth is flat until it is explained to them via the Bible.
That is a total crock. And who is it doing the "explaining", not you, surely! How many more times are you going to preach your religious guff onto this thread? I think everyone can comfortably say they know why you believe this. The problem is that none of it actually fits in with reality!
This is basic irrefutable trigonometry:
The closest possible distance the Sun can be to the Earth is a ridiculous Everest height (the higher it goes, the worse this mathematic dissection becomes!). Computing the distance to the Sun on a flat earth when it is 0.001 degrees above the visual horizon and at a ludicrous and provably impossible distance of 5 miles away.....
a= 5 miles
A= 0.001 degrees
Distance to object is 286,000 miles.
Distance to object 286,479 miles.
Distance to object 286,478.89754 miles.
A bit high don't you think?
Now @alexacan we have an explanation for this please?
36 minutes ago, alexa said:
Avoidance. Do you, or do you not interpret the Bible against almost the entire Christian faith?9 hours ago, alexa said:
I do try to be as truthful as I can
Your actions suggest otherwise. Consistent evasion to literally dozens of things is not being truthful.
Christians Who Believe the Earth is Really Flat - Does It Get Any Dumber Than This? - Dr. Michael Heiser (drmsh.com)
17 minutes ago, alexa said:
Try reading, listening and knowing the word of God instead of listening to men who interpret Gods word to fit in with their own way of thinking.
God, the almighty in his infinite wisdom chose to sodding well dictate a book of bullshit, full of wrath, disgusting deeds, hideous rules and baffling gibberish.
I find it ironic beyond words that you preach about interpreting this so called "God's word" when you yourself foolishly do the same with this flat earth guff, in conflict with almost the entire Christian faith!
13 minutes ago, zArk said:
i will get onto your questions after this selenelion issue is satisfied
No you won't. You will make up some gigantic pile of guff and arm wave everything away. There is no point where someone who is in denial will be able to see that the problem with something so simple is down to them. Just you and your failure to understand anything.13 minutes ago, zArk said:
you claimed refraction and thats fine yet you are failing to show when refraction applies to the selenelion.
It's fine is it? So now you acknowledge that refraction is in play but can't understand how it works with the one thing that requires it to work!?13 minutes ago, zArk said:
the video itself tells you where it was filmed, alamogordo new mexico
No it does not!! His channel name is not where it was taken ffs! He says Southern New Mexico.13 minutes ago, zArk said:
and i told you where i took the time from timeanddate
And you haven't established a number of things:
1. The exact position and it is quite clearly elevated. Alamogordo is not!
2. The local time of the selenelion FROM that elevated position.
3. The exact times for Sunrise and Moonset according to 1 above.
You have failed to understand something that CANNOT work on a flat surface. Elevation on a sphere allows you to see further around the curve - on a flat surface that is just not true. No amount of elevation will let you see further - another slam dunk flat earth is crap moment.
So, with that in mind, where the local Sunrise for Alamogordo is for example 06:55 - from an elevated position to the West, it could be any number of minutes BEFORE that. And where the Moonset is 06:55 - from an elevated position to the West, it could be any number of minutes AFTER that.
Your failure to understand the circumstances involved in filming a selenelion and why elevation assists this is off the scale.
2 hours ago, alexa said:
He's probably been dun away with just like Admiral Byrd was.
Byrd died in his sleep - no idea what happened to Mr. Moon-Plasma-Not-Flat-Earth who demonstrated that you don't even listen to your own videos. Do you understand what bare assertion is?
5 hours ago, DaleP said:
You see, the key words are "half way to the Moon" and that's just a half story.
They didn't tell you the rest that they didn't actually go to the Moon for whatever reason in the end.
It's really difficult to debate somebody who doesn't know the subject and doesn't provide any material to debate. You failed to acknowledge the point made in the video. Namely that the "hoax" film was made by a dishonest person who deliberately falsified his result and made a provably absurd claim.
16 minutes ago, DaleP said:
Before you jumped to artificial objects or legitimacy of surveyor...... we need to first establish if we can land on the Moon.
Nope. You need to substantiate the ramblings of your source.
It has craters. Meteors "land" on the Moon. The owner of this forum cites a seismic experiment on the Moon as proof that the Moon rang like a bell.
1 minute ago, DaleP said:
Hence the title of this thread. Fake moon landing....
So you claim Surveyor is faked as well? Show me where his theory was proven.
Now provide evidence for any fakery -
Just now, alexa said:
There is truth in one thing he say's (oops sorry says) that the moon is not a piece of rock & it will never be landed upon.
So your scientist, plucks some theory out of his bottom and that is correct, but where he talks about his other ice age theory and his thoughts that we would one day land on Mars and Venus and he is wrong? Do you understand how much of a mad cherry picked source this is?
5 minutes ago, DaleP said:
I think you missed the point. This is a Moon thread!!
And the scientist says Moon is plasma so you can't land on it.
Uhuh. No, I didn't miss any point. Show me where his theory was proven. Clue: it never was.
Surveyor landed 1 year later - his interview is absolutely absurd.
16 minutes ago, DaleP said:
Well done @alexa
This is huge. I reckon, he is sincere...true scientist, not like the modern counter part of fake scientists.
Everybody download this video before it gets removed.
It's been around for 60 odd years, it's quite safe. This is huge? In what way?
He basically contradicted everything she claims - the Earth is a sphere.
24 minutes ago, alexa said:
How old do you claim the Earth is? Your source says that he believes man will one day land on Mars or Venus, that ice ages occur every 200 million years because the axis of the Earth changes. He explains tides are caused by cosmic effects within the Solar System.
He basically confirms the Earth is a sphere
1 minute ago, alexa said:
Did you know that NASA’s space programmes are busy proving that was has been called ‘myth’ in the Bible is true? Mr. Harold Hill, President of the Curtis engine Company in Baltimore, and a consultant in the space programmes, relates the following incident: “One of the most amazing things that God has for us today happened recently to our astronauts and space scientists at Green Belt, Maryland.
I genuinely don't know whether you are being serious or knowingly making a joke. All I know is that you just pointed towards dipshit.com and made a statement. It would be staggering if you thought that dipshit.com was telling you the truth. Please tell me you didn't make that claim in earnest.
17 minutes ago, alexa said:
Lol'z & still they can't go any higher than lower earth orbit.
Saying one of the dumbest things possible twice actually doesn't help your case. Tell me about "low Earth orbit" on a flat Earth!
Then tell me the source for your quote and the full interview with honest context. I shall watch some paint drying to assist with my patience.
1 minute ago, alexa said:
You can see at the edge just before the ISS leaves from crossing the moon it's already blacked out, sorry but I reckon this video has been doctored, you'll have to try harder than this
Nope. Speaking of trying harder.....how about every single thing you type in this thread. Your denial of the ISS involves a cast of thousands, plus every person who can actually see and measure it across the sky ....every day of the year....all over the planet when its orbital path allows.
12 minutes ago, alexa said:
It's rather a long article to read just to prove the moon's light doesn't cool, can't see what all the fuss is about, you can prove this to yourself.
Let me get this straight. You can't read or understand simple explanations for your inaccurate statement and now imply that YOU have done this "experiment" yourself?
The shade simply stops the object from having a full 360 degree radiative ability. The variance supposedly measured is very, very small. Conclusions made through ignorance of basic science don't actually count.
2 minutes ago, alexa said:
Where does the ISS go to when it finishes crossing the moon ? Shouldn't it still show up from the light of the moon ?
It's visible because it BLOCKS the moonlight. Silhouette. When not in front there is no light being cast upon it.
13 minutes ago, alexa said:
Try a temperature gauge in the light of the moon you'll find it to be colder
False. You appear to have been suckered by somebody's bogus claim and experiment.
Things in shade have something assisting in blocking radiating energy. Remove that and the object cools faster.
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No, really it isn't. There was only the one camera - how can you not know this.
Your time stamp is wrong. I "will see", when he has let go of it, that the damn thing doesn't move in any way whatsoever. If you say it does, this is going to be one of those "debates" where things go nowhere because you need to visit Specsavers. All you need to do is go to 52 minutes, then drag the cursor along the time-line and watch the small screen showing the flag is the same for the entire time after he lets go. Don't make me fart around and make a gif just to prove this!