Mr. Nice

Ah bless. Thanks for being so nice. No, what is hogwash is you thinking his viewing circumstances should show a curve through a tiny little port hole. Do you think it should? Journalists love quotes and use them wherever possible. It shows they actually interviewed the person. Are you afraid to answer this? But so what, he is looking through a fairly small port hole with no more than 30 degrees of span with his nose up against the window. There would be barely any visible curvature anyway under those circumstances. You get 4.5 degrees of curvature over a 90 degree visible angle. How the hell would he see curve anyway? Anyway. So this Auguste Piccard guy, documented his work in his book Earth, sky and sea: Earth, sky, and sea : Piccard, Auguste, 1884-1962 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive "for the measurement of gravitation. The geophysicists have installed a network of stations over the globe. In these they proceed to the measurement of ground acceleration : the data gathered allows the geological structure of our planet to be studied." Have a guess as to whether he discusses an upturned disk in the whole of his book!

You just proved what I said - the journalist said this and failed to put any statement in quotes. Journalists always use quotes. Once again, as you always do, you failed to respond to the meat of my post. But so what, he is looking through a fairly small port hole with no more than 30 degrees of span with his nose up against the window. There would be barely any visible curvature anyway under those circumstances. You get 4.5 degrees of curvature over a 90 degree visible angle. How the hell would he see curve anyway? Research skills of Stevie Wonder in a power cut.

Nope, you don't do you. No, your attempt at proving that statement is pathetic. Post and run. Who's we? That's because they don't. Interestingly though, do you think they do employ people to do this? Where do I apply, because this is like shooting fish in a barrel with a 20mm cannon.

Facepalm. You quote Tesla and don't seem to register where the man refers to a bloody GLOBE?

Incorrect, the page FROM the 1931 popular science magazine shows it is the journalist making the statement. I love how you ignore the major part of my damn post....as you always do! Had Piccard said that, he would have put it in quotation marks like his reference to "blue air". But so what, he is looking through a fairly small port hole with no more than 30 degrees of span with his nose up against the window. There would be barely any visible curvature anyway under those circumstances. You get 4.5 degrees of curvature over a 90 degree visible angle. How the hell would he see curve anyway?

Saying it is from an elevated position West of that town is normal for 100%. Labelling it viewing the town is normal, quoting figures for sea level sunrise etc. is lying or dumb. Bullshit. The elevated position doesn't see either sunrise or moonset at those times. Duhhhhhh. Which you haven't provided. And fails as you always do.

What are you using to determine that the Sun has risen? Straight out of the gate I suggested you didn't cite the "blue sky" Lo and behold, that is what you do. Blue and Orange Colored Sky Just before Summer Sunrise. Beautiful Dawn Skyscape. Clear Paradise Sky. Calm Heaven Background Stock Image - Image of scenic, meteorology: 152965705 (dreamstime.com) "Blue and orange colored sky just before summer sunrise. Beautiful dawn skyscape. Clear paradise sky. Calm heaven background." 1. There are no time stamps on the video. So your silly timeanddate map is irrelevant. 2. There is no evidence on that video that the Sun has risen. 3. Your times for Alamogordo do not apply to an elevated position to the West - it sees earlier Sun and later Moon. 4. How the hell can you not understand this!? Show your proof for this. I doubt this user got the selenelion at all. The westerly position doesn't have a flat horizon. The whole time - time and time again I have told you this . Can you damn well read! Speaking of grasping, show me where the Sun is on this "selenelion" footage. Or is that too hard for you?

Despite me stating exactly what I posted, you expected some other crap? Again, because you bloody ignored it! Explain the bolded bit. 1. Would you like me to show you a video of two sunsets using a drone going up a few hundred metres? Impossible on a flat Earth. 2. The actual Sunrise figure of 06:53 is not the time when the Sun is visible from an elevated position and does NOT account for refraction. 3. The actual Moonset figure of 06:55 is not the time when the Moon is visible from an elevated position and does NOT account for refraction. 4. Your video doesn't show the visible Sun - or am I missing something here? Well duhhhh, it was cited to show that the Sun is visible at higher elevation when it is not visible at sea level, where your figures come from. SEA LEVEL. No, you made this bullshit claim and failed to explain it. The words "correct you" should never be used by you as you have never done so. The video disproves totally the flat Earth. 100% refuted in a simple video. Elevation on a flat surface does not improve distance visibility.

To the West from an elevated position, negating your sunrise and moonset times. There is no grasping here, just basic observation. Higher elevation gives earlier views of the Sun and later views of the Moon. ONLY, there is more elevation to his West so it is unlikely he was able to capture a selenelion - just a full eclipse with the Sun just about to come into view. Speaking of grasping, show me where the Sun is on this "selenelion" footage. Or is that too hard for you?

The most accurate thing you have ever posted.

“Nature may reach the same result in many ways. Like a wave in the physical world, in the infinite ocean of the medium which pervades all, so in the world of organisms, in life, an impulse started proceeds onward, at times, may be, with the speed of light, at times, again, so slowly that for ages and ages it seems to stay, passing through processes of a complexity inconceivable to men, but in all its forms, in all its stages, its energy ever and ever integrally present. A single ray of light from a distant star falling upon the eye of a tyrant in bygone times may have altered the course of his life, may have changed the destiny of nations, may have transformed the surface of the globe, so intricate, so inconceivably complex are the processes in Nature. In no way can we get such an overwhelming idea of the grandeur of Nature than when we consider, that in accordance with the law of the conservation of energy, throughout the Infinite, the forces are in a perfect balance, and hence the energy of a single thought may determine the motion of a universe.” ― Nikola Tesla

Incorrect. This was a comment by the journalist who reported it. Had Piccard said that, he would have put it in quotation marks like his reference to "blue air". But so what, he is looking through a fairly small port hole with no more than 30 degrees of span with his nose up against the window. There would be barely any visible curvature anyway under those circumstances. You get 4.5 degrees of curvature over a 90 degree visible angle. How the hell would he see curve anyway?

Not in your video. The Sun does not appear in that video. What am I missing here? Yes, I said that oh, about half a dozen times now. Again, you appear to be suffering from some sort of reading and comprehension failure. The entire time during this kind of eclipse. Refraction is more as light has more atmosphere to travel through. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS? The whole time of an eclipse, refraction is occurring. Pulling teeth is far more fun. They are being refracted at the same time lower down on the horizon. I want to watch a video of some paint drying. No. You are. The video you posted does not show the Sun. Is this difficult for you to understand? What am I missing here? Tell me where it is shown in the video, am I watching the wrong one?

No. Can you actually read what I posted? From the size of the Moon in the image, we can tell that the camera has a zoom lens and from the size of the circular water tower we can see that it is at least a mile away when zoomed at the beginning. We know it's an elevated position, so see if you can figure out where he was shooting from. Oh, I had my neck screwed in weeks ago when I actually sussed this out: Those are the Alamogordo times - see if you can work out what happens to visibility times from an elevated position. It ISN'T from Alamogordo, but from somewhere west and elevated. I explained this to YOU and still you haven't understood it.

Ah, he speaks! Well duh, the one you are in now for starters. 911 no planes, Nibiru, Titanic........ I notice you have spent zero hours properly researching this. Looking at silly youtube videos and frequenting clueless parroting websites doesn't count. You aren't the bearer of anything. Your uninformed opinion doesn't count. I await your honest debate in the appropriate threads. All I've seen from you so far is like this. What, like you? To debunk horseshit, one must examine the merits of it from every angle, so already done this. You, however wear conspiracy blinkers. Your name straight out the gate is fairly sad.

NASA doesn't really do much promotion unless the research comes from them and that is what any scientist would do. What is a NASA septic? I personally don't question much here because my view of the control agenda revolves around big corporations that are self-controlling and self-policing. The conspiracy stuff is more often than not at a ridiculously unfeasible level based on the required numbers to get it done. Then you get break away branches within each conspiracy that contradict each other. Much of the arguments rely on subjective opinions and really have no room to be discussed. I don't really have much interest in wild speculation. No thanks.

No. It's just a kind NASA astronomer being polite about an idiotic video. I have a thread on this, come on in and show enough balls to respond to my posts! Try not to. Try to find facts and verify them. Noise. There are a number of key conspiracies that are so easily debunked it makes the people who fail to see this somewhat clueless. Puck puck puckarrrrgh It's nothing new though. You people are so afraid to be wrong that you just run away and hide when somebody takes the time to find problems with your daft claims.

But it's from an actual flatnut video. I'm sane and I see a NASA astronomer needlessly giving a stupid video a kicking. What Apollo stuff are you referring to? We landed 6 times - disputing this already makes a conspiracy theorist look batshit, disputing the ISS ditto, disputing rockets in a vacuum ditto and the flat earth - well that is the number one batshit claim. I have no idea what you are actually talking about. I've heard that people see what they want to see, but this WAS an actual flatearth video so the narrator washardly her fault.

Don't be absurd. No, just very uninformed people. There is no nazi/freemason NASA psyop. Any chance you are going to start replying to the dozen or so posts you have evaded?

The most ludicrous irony possible. But you aren't telling the truth. You are extremely uninformed on every aspect of this debate. You rely on people who feed you crap and are so uninformed about any of it, you lack the capability to determine that you are being suckered. NASA and the millions of other people are just human beings doing their thing. I've never come across any organisation that so completely publishes every aspect of what they do. You are stuck in a flat earth hamster cage.

The most insane of circular reasoning. WHY are you unable to see the whole surface from 20 miles up! It just bloody stops. This is called curvature btw. Your ludicrous belief that the entire world is lying to cover up the invisible Sky Wizard is way beyond impossible. You just arm-wave away every item of evidence, you have no explanations that work for every single provable observation and base this all on some bullshit book written by men who claimed to have been guided by this murdering, wrathful, vengeful God! Even if you were capable of conceding that you may be 100% wrong, and you clearly aren't, you have invested so much of your time making one meaningless comment after another that you wouldn't anyway. That's just sad. The bottom line is this - no amount of proof, or debate would convince you - so what are you actually trying to achieve? Trying to convert people? What?

Evasive gibberish. The balloons are seeing a great big circle from great altitude and it clearly isn't the whole Earth - how come? Imagine if the world were to see this? Well what the hell is stopping them!? The stock answer from ignorance. Apollo took hundreds and hundreds of Earth pictures onto Ektachrome film. The digital scans of high resolution STILL don't capture the volume of information within each exposure. But for you to claim they were all CGI in the 60s is actually quite deceitful. It is so obviously not true. Apollo Image Atlas, 70mm Hasselblad Image Catalog (usra.edu)

And? Basically the Christians who were many more levels of indoctrinated-by-the-bible than you clearly are, were able to read the same passages as you without thinking the damn planet was flat

Yeah, that's what she does. Sidestep. Evade. Run away. Christians themselves are pointing out the wall butting flaws in this crazy claim and all you can do is chuck out another one of your bollocky-biblical quotes. A book written and made up by man. https://creation.com/refuting-flat-earth Flat earth myth - creation.com Orbs of medieval rulers Figure 1: Richard II of England, coronation portrait, Westminster Abbey. Figure 2: Henry III, Holy Roman Emperor (1017–1056), being presented with the orb of kingship. Figure 3: Coin of the Byzantine emperor Leontius (d. 705) As early as the 5th century, medieval European kings carried a symbol called the globus cruciger, Latin for ‘cross-bearing orb’, as a Christian symbol of royal power. The orb, usually a golden sphere, represented the earth—hang on, a sphere representing a flat earth—something’s wrong here … oh that’s right, it was a spherical earth. It was topped by a cross to symbolise Christ’s lordship over the earth, and held by the ruler to symbolise that he had been entrusted to rule his lands. In medieval portraits, the scale didn’t indicate physical size but importance, hence the large size of the cross. Indeed, there are many pictures portraying Christ Himself holding the orb, the classic Salvator Mundi (Saviour of the World) theme.