Mr. Nice

Sigh. It is quite painful to debate something with somebody who blunders into a subject I studied 15 years ago. Somebody who wears his biased bullshit conspiracy blinkers that prevent him from seeing anything else. After the war. Lots of rocket scientists. Some went to Russia. Some went to the USA. They were labelled Nazis because the vast majority worked for the party. Sadly, as in any war .....not by choice. Now a few were subsequently found to be guilty of stuff. 99% were not. Very few made it into managerial roles. Wernher von Braun was the biggest and he was sent out to pasture soon after Apollo. But conspiracy blinkers sees evil nazis and infesting NASA for all time. Do you have anything of substance on this or can it be taken as read that you will just toddle off without saying anything?

@oddsnsodsffs stop with the insults. Of course you won't get pulled up for it because you are on team local. Now. I will spend a bit if time re-examining this and seeing what's new. Give me some time. It's not a 5 minute thing. As I said...all my reading last year was done on the fly and I didn't take notes. Quite why MY assessment is important to you is baffling. I've seen and read quite substantial debunks on many of the Sub claims on this subject. I have not seen you disagree with a single one of them.

I'm away from my computer. I'll get back to you tomorrow....if I can be arsed. It isn't a five minute debunk. It takes a lot of trawling to answer these and I didn't take notes when I went through a lot of this for my own personal checks. I never had any intention of walking back into that covid thread after the mass trolling last time.

Oddsnsods said peer review. Try not to make so many foul ups and ffs stop trolling me.

I'm just not getting drawn into this. Debunks on debunker sites...go look. It's just too much subjective bollocks. Just one. The cdc didn't have any samples of the original strain. Then all of a sudden the shtick is that it isn't possible. Nonsense.

Oh, absolutely. I hate governments. Never voted, never will. The pandemic restrictions did seem harsh and I absolutely hated the track and trace down the pub! But I don't see a workable alternative. Corporate dominance is an out of control monster. No amount of huffing and puffing is going to affect it. It's like a flea farting near a dinosaur.

Cool, this isn't off topic at all. You must understand what the burden of proof is dude. You claim established science is horseshit...off you go....I'll let you know if I agree with you.

I suspect that history is something that falls into the category that you speak of. Personally, the methodology for research is something that is most certainly not indoctrination.

No pretence is involved. But there is equally nothing to be gained by the ignorant seeking to elevate their uninformed opinions whilst claiming those who were educated have been indoctrinated.

You have absolutely no idea about higher education. The research part is called research for a reason. There aren't extra points for copying shit already done! Programmed? You mean like the facebook and twitter trolls who mindlessly parrot conspiracy themes without a thought of their own. Educated people didn't buy into anything - they used their research skills to determine what stacked up and what didn't - guess what. 5g causing covid-19 didn't. mRNA being this bullshit gene altering mechanism didn't stack up. Viruses don't exist...ditto. Non isolated sars2 - ditto...... You started this thread, god knows why! One of the great things about flat earth/apollo or any number of the lower hanging fruit teaches examples of logic, critical thinking skills and a whole host of mechanisms to learn how to assess data. The absence of anyone picking up these skills is very telling. It should tell you something when you find you are talking to a brick wall discussing flat earth with a flat earther. Only with you.....

PFFFFFT - the weapon of the uneducated. It teaches you proper research skills. Not confirmation bias! No!! I am limited to where I can post! But even so, you can frickin' talk! And he carries on being a jerk, Tell me where to apply for shill pay! It's never too late for you to test your claims at a place where YOU are in the minority - like here. I am a force for good. What stunning arrogance makes you think that your claims are the rock solid truth? Prove my post was a load of . Which was the peer reviewed source? I thought government sources weren't to be trusted or are they too damn stupid that they post stuff that gives the game away. As if.

Yes, long time ago. Forgot most of it, may have to dig it out. The film was quite good too.

tldr My source said your source makes up stuff. Don't call me a troll. Your behaviour in the flat earth thread makes me look like a saint. Your research is confined to truther sites. Anything mainstream is automatically dismissed, This is confirmation bias in the extreme. You haven't a clue about my research capabilities. I'm guessing you didn't go to university - it helps understand what actual research is.

@Golden Retriever@Macnamara For GR copying in Macnamara for your info. You know absolutely nothing about that crowhouse forum. If that was Max Igan making that statement then he is full of crap. That thread was in full swing with THEIR members criticising the moderators here with one post after another! During this tirade against THIS forum, with no moderation intervention from them whatsoever, numerous posts were directed at me that could at best be described as hostile trolling. I don't give a monkey's what you think of me. I generally post and argue my case whereas I mainly get posts in response that do not. I get that you don't like having your cosy views challenged and I am confined to the member's area here accordingly. I joined that tiny forum to answer the many posts aimed at me. EVERY subsequent response I made was in reply to an avalanche of trolling posts aimed back at me. Go read it - it's all there. I reported one post just as a token to see what they did - they left it up. That to me said they weren't interested in stopping the trolling - not INITIATED by me! Now you raise a thread to try and get me banned, well done you. What a hero you are. Except that Max Igan's shitty little forum has loads of disaffected former members from here, now posting there, dissing the Icke forum moderators - damn unfairly I might add! - and some of them calling David Icke controlled opposition! Well done you, you just publicised that turd of a forum, that has no control over its tiny and out of order membership. Max Igan is a jerk who showed the most hypocritical double standards possible. He allowed his own members free range, but as soon as I came and challenged what they were saying - he makes his big bullshit speech and bans me and the VERY polite Basket Case - a great ex mod. Grumpy Owl was there, also very polite and whilst he and I didn't see eye to eye, he too was a good moderator. The idea that this Max Igan fool would play the big prima donna with his own forum full of vile and rude members, is a joke. GO READ IT ALL and stop painting me out to be the damn villain. Ziggy bloody Sawdust started that thread - and said some very shitty things about this forum!

Kindly cease your ad hominems, there's a good chap. Either you want to debate this properly or you want to carry on being a jerk.

Liar. I don't use that many NASA links and since the massive. massive of majority of claims comes from people using NASA material, referencing it and explaining it is perfectly reasonable.

I didn't say it did. I posted evidence that questions the veracity of your source. You made no attempt to refute it, quit saying it doesn't count. You want me to address your wall of cut and pasta predominantly from a website that I have shown to be flawed in the extreme? You call me a coward? You made claims about the Lunar landings then chickened out on a debate request. How are you exposing anything? This forum is reaching very few who aren't already convinced. Which one? One liner, be specific. I am fascinated how you determine MY source is bullshit and your source is the truth! Google has definitely blocked loads of these disinfo sites, that's for sure. Yahoo and Bing haven't though. Sure you can. What like Sandy Hook and stuff like that! Try addressing my rebuttal. Back at you. I'm not in favour of vaccinations of this nature for groups that are far less likely to die from covid-19, but unlike you I'm not smitten with the "it's satan poison" deterrent.

Troll. The absolute irony.

Stop referring to me as Marianna disinfo specialist. If you are incapable of debating properly what the hell are you even doing? YOU spammed a load of truther claims. I responded with a site showing the source you adore is riddled with errors and suspect. YOU evaded my entire response. So don't sit on your high horse claiming your "spam" is somehow all truth because you say so. Ad hominem. Try not to be a jerk about this. Way to go. So you just wave away rebuttal with the Jedi mind trick. I don't care what either of them say. If the arguments made are inaccurate show how. I missed where you did that. But that's what truthers do. They google stuff, find it and post it without checking it. If you really want to have a debate on this instead of playing your big bullshit ad hominem game - one point at a time......go.....

Wow. That's amazing news. Must be linked to the covid-19 vaccine huh? Because conspiracy theorists claim so. You don't want me to reply to you, yet you dump this crap in the one place that I can respond. Sounds like you want me to bite. Canada’s long road to a vaccine injury compensation program | CMAJ "“Serious side effects are incredibly rare,” said Trudeau. “In the very unlikely event of an adverse reaction, though, we want to make sure Canadians have fair access to support.”" "Canadian health experts have been calling for a national vaccine injury compensation program since at least the mid-1980s. Canada is seen as an outlier in this respect as 19 countries have national vaccine injury support programs, including all other G7 nations, according to Wilson.. Quebec has had a vaccine injury compensation program since 1985, spurred by the 1979 case of a five-year-old girl who developed viral encephalitis shortly after receiving a measles vaccination. Attempts were made to develop a national program at that time, but federal and provincial deputy health ministers refused to fund it in the absence of accurate estimates of vaccine-related injuries.

Got to love the "dailyexpose" and their creative statistical manipulation. Got to love the idea that the Ukraine war is all made up and a "distraction". Fact Check: Canadian Govt Did NOT Publish Data That 'Suggests' People Triple-Vaccinated For COVID-19 Developed AIDS, Are 5X More Likely To Die Of COVID Than Unvaccinated | Lead Stories Fake news, quick subscribe, donate to his cause. Go look at how many websites have duplicated this crap. Sad, but very relevant: “A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.”

EXCLUSIVE: Actors Behind UK Misinformation Site The Daily Expose Revealed (logically.ai) A Logically investigation can reveal that Jonathan Allen-Walker of Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire is behind the conspiracy news site, The Daily Expose. The Daily Expose is a U.K.-focused conspiracy site created in November of last year, and since its establishment, it has promoted a standard portfolio of COVID-denialist, anti-vaxxer, and Great Reset myths framed as breaking news. It has grown to be extremely influential in the alt-news ecosystem, with its articles getting thousands of shares per day on Telegram, Twitter, and other private chat channels. Although the website is less than a year old, it has grown by more than 300,000 page views per month since January, with the last data available suggesting it had more than 1.5 million total cumulative views. Unusually for a conspiracy site, The Daily Expose produces original content several times per day, rather than resharing memes or articles from elsewhere. On its “about” page, it claims to use only official documents from government or scientific sources to write its stories. The writers often distort or misinterpret the information within the snapshots of the documents they use to push a number of conspiratorial narratives. For instance, The Daily Expose has claimed that vaccines were approved without any sort of safety checks and that vaccines are causing mass death. The writers and contributors don’t request interviews with scientists, government officials, or other qualified experts to make sure they’re interpreting these documents correctly. Nor do they give the right of reply to any of the institutions or figures they are reporting on, which is an expected journalistic practice. The Daily Expose has fielded interviews with fringe figures, for instance, Mike Yeadon, but the interviews take the form of a transcript of their opinions, which are neither questioned nor fact checked. Because the writer or writers have been anonymous to this point, they have not been able to be held accountable for their content, nor do they have wider connections to any journalists who can vouch for their work. All of these factors make the website an extremely dangerous platform for misinformation, as it carries the weight of official documents without the transparency or accountability of reputable science or journalism. The Daily Expose’s first posts are from November 2020. In March, Twitter suspended its main account, but almost immediately The Daily Expose was able to make a succession of alt accounts to get around the ban. At least five accounts were created at various stages after the initial ban. After the second ban, The Daily Expose made sure to run pairs of accounts so that individual account bans wouldn’t result in a complete loss of followers or lack of ability to tweet. The ban-evading accounts would always point followers to the paired account, accusing Twitter of censorship. Generally, accounts were set up with different phone numbers and email accounts from different providers, though they included similar bios, images, and headers, while also all linking to The Daily Expose website. Presently, two of their alts remain operational and have 18k and 14k followers respectively. A full 65 percent of their referrals come from Twitter. The articles are all anonymous, signed online with a “Daily Expose” byline, save for a regular column written by Emily Smith of Leeds, who uses the WordPress handle captaindaretofly, and other occasional one-time contributors. On her other social media, Smith does not post anonymously. It is not clear that Smith knows who runs the website. On a podcast episode with two other conspiracy content creators, Denty and Shaz, she says that she contributes articles voluntarily rather than for money. Smith did not respond to a request for comment.

EXCLUSIVE: Actors Behind UK Misinformation Site The Daily Expose Revealed (logically.ai)

You want to play bullshit games? What did you do with the website I gave you about the Bond film? There's a very good reason I don't indulge in this subject and that's this totally subjective perspective that you and all your "honest" truthers invoke. Damn right I attack "the messenger" when it has a history of complete fail. In your post above you made several references to the failure of some pharmaceutical companies which is doing the same thing, only in this case "virtue" is on your side because of reasons. The Daily Expose - Media Bias/Fact Check (mediabiasfactcheck.com) Failed Fact Checks Wearing a face mask causes brain damage because of a lack of oxygen – False Only 3,000 people have died of Covid-19 in England. – False The number of pregnant women who have miscarried increased by “366% in just six weeks” due to their receiving a COVID-19 vaccine. – False Official Data Shows More People Have Died From The Vaccines Than From COVID-19 – False Confidential Documents reveal Moderna sent mRNA Coronavirus Vaccine Candidate to University Researchers – False Covid-19 vaccines have caused 172 miscarriages since January 2021. – False CDC manipulated data about miscarriage rate in pregnant, vaccinated women – False A study on the effects of Covid vaccines during pregnancy shows 82% of respondents miscarried, contrary to what its authors claimed. – False “EXCLUSIVE – 80% of Covid-19 deaths in August were people who had been vaccinated according to Public Health data” – False By the end of January 2022, all vaccinated Germans will have AIDS and be 100% more vulnerable to Covid infections. – False Overall, we rate The Daily Expose a Tin-Foil Hat Conspiracy and Quackery level Pseudoscience website based on promoting false and misleading information regarding Covid-19. (D. Van Zandt 4/4/2021) Updated (01/11/2022)