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  1. I think that the morality of the belief system is more important than the rest of the religion. Call God whatever you like, if he is a good God. In Christianity, Yahweh and Jesus are demonstrably evil, so I don't think you want to go that way. Regards DL
  2. Thanks. Now if I could just find the right ears, a moral change for the good could hit the mainstream religions. Regards DL
  3. I do not see your live and let live as the Golden Rule, even as it hints to reciprocity. If you are walking by a guy who is raping someone, will you live and let live? For evil to grow, all we all need do is the nothing you recommend. Regards DL
  4. Like science, whatever we claim has to be reproducible to be believed. I know telepathy is real but I cannot reproduce it. If you find whatever it is that turns us on, so to speak, please share. Regards DL
  5. Here are a few quotes to add to your theme and that I as a Gnostic Christian use.. They hint at the real way to salvation that Jesus taught. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Allan Watts explains those quotes in detail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths. Gnosis enlightens adults. Regards DL
  6. That song was tongue in cheek buddy. Tell us more though. I have claimed apotheosis and telepathy but do not see it as supernatural. Even with those, I think only two in the world who hears the story believes it. That is expected though. At first blush, I believe none of what I hear and half of what I see. Please, tell me your story. Regards DL
  7. Inquisitions and jihads. Did you note the ongoing lower level inquisitions and jihads that target LGBTQ+ as well as inferior souled women? Live and let live, means one does not care about the LGBTQ+, or equality of women, in their own families. When a religion tells a parent to discriminate against their own children, without a just cause, it is quite the religion. Regards DL
  8. False statement and logical fallacy. On love. Jesus said he would recognize those who loved him by their works and deeds. IOW, all love is shown by works and deeds. Where is the love in God creating these abominations? God is good, but your God is evil. Please reject the Christian God and find one that is not genocidal, homophobic or misogynous. Look into Gnostic Christianity if you want to raise your moral bar. Regards DL
  9. I liked most of your post and thinking above, but this bit of immoral thinking I will chew you out for, as it is a fully evil concept. Insert gays and women harmed by homophobic and misogynous religions to this quote. You should get an idea of what you should be doing with the homophobic and misogynous mainstream religions if you live by the golden rule. Martin Niemöller First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Regards DL
  10. Understand or not, we should all praise God, not that one exists, for ending those garbage supernatural God religions. Regards DL
  11. The problem of evil does not exist in a nature and reality based religion. Only when supernatural beliefs are in play, does the problem of evil pop up. Have a look at this old O.P and see if you can make sense of it. There is evil, but without it we go extinct. ======= Eve was correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God. It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin. 1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. This indicates that Jesus had no choice. If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate? God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan. This then begs the question. What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to? Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who. The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality. One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men. ------------------------ Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”. That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy." But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem. If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong. Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility. Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution. Consider. First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created. Evil then is only human to human. As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate. Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times. Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct. This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well. Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us. There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition. Regards DL ----------------------- Evolutionary theology. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXOvYn1OAL0&list=UUDXjzOeZRqLxhYaaEhWLb_A&index=9
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